1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: and professional overshaer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows, 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello, 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the pod today. Now, if you have been 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: watching Survivor, this episode will be a huge treat for you. 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: It is with the incredible Sean Hampson. We did record 10 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: this episode before It's before Survivor started airing on Tally, 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: so everything was pretty much embargoed in that he couldn't 12 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: share too much other than the air date you're hearing say, 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: like when it goes live on Tally. But the cool 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: thing that we did get to chat about was that 15 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: Sean talked about how his preparation changed both physically and 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: mentally going into Survivor a second time. We also talk 17 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: about AFL me being Melbourne. Gal loved hearing all about AFL, 18 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: So I hope you love this chat. Can I say? 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: I think we're how many episodes into this pod? Like 20 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: three point fifty or something like that. Hands down, Sean 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: is one of the nicest human beings I've ever interviewed. 22 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: Of course, Meghan Gale, his beautiful fiance, is also a 23 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: very very lovely human being. But when I interviewed Megan, 24 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: I've known Megan right and so it was very familiar. 25 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: It was like catch up with a mate. I know 26 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: Sean a little less and so I wasn't as sure. 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: And I've got to say, hands down, ten out of 28 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: ten kind, kind, kind human being, so lovely, so giving 29 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: of his time. So Sean, thank you so much to 30 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: jomp me on this pod, and well done on Survivor. Mate, 31 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: you gave it, You're all. You should be so proud. 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: And Michelve Gang, I hope you love this Epp Sean's legend. 33 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: I have a very chilled, relaxed guest in front of me, 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: Sean Hamson. I'm pumped have you on the pod. 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: It's great to be here. 36 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: We do you know we talked about this about two 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: years ago. 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, part and it never came to fruition, which 39 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: is a shame. But we're here now and that's what. 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: It matters, exactly exactly. So I don't know how to 41 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: introduce you, because you've done so many cool things. But 42 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: AFL forty player ruckman, right, yep. Then you've got when 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: I kind of like you came back onto my sphere. 44 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: Was when I was living in ascot Ale and going 45 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: to ascot Food and Wine and you were there. 46 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 47 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's my restaurant. I mean, I guess 48 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 3: it goes even further back with us. I think the 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: first time I met you was in Albert Park, was it? 50 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: It does? When I was making you guys smooth that's right, 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: at Ripe for the organic cafe in Hour Park. Megan 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: would always bring you in. You guys are always got 53 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: a really healthy juice or smoothie, and Meghan was obsessed 54 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: with these musley slices, these really healthy musy slices. That's 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: my memory. 56 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was pre kids, when you could 57 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: just you know, you can go to Albert Park and 58 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: you can get a healthy smoothie and you just had 59 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: the whole day to do whatever you want. 60 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: That would have been so many years ago now. 61 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's probably twelve eleven, twelve years ago. 62 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: Oh, your memory is way better than mine. And then 63 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: of course I had your beautiful wife on the pod. Yes, so, 64 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: and then living in ascot Vail, I was always getting 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: a Sagi bowls who and my boyfriend would sit with 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: me and always get the hamburger. 67 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: Get the burger, right, It's a good burger. Right. 68 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: And then since then I've got to watch you in 69 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Survivor in twenty nineteen, and I have never been like 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: a gun. I know that it's like, it's probably sacrilegious 71 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: to say this, but like I've been like, oh cool 72 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Survivors on. But it is a cult like religion for 73 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: a lot of human beings, right, yeah. 74 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: I mean it's been around what twenty yeah years something 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: like that. I remember watching it when I was twelve. 76 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: I'd sort of watch it with my mum, and I'd 77 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: always been a fan of it. I've seen, you know, 78 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: most of the seasons, the US seasons and Australian of course, 79 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: and never once considered to play. 80 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a natural fit for you, like 81 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: the athlete background and then being able to length be contentrary. 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but I guess I just it's like reality TV. 83 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: It's never one thing I thought like I really want 84 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: to be on Survivor and stuff, but the opportunity came, 85 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 3: and I remember first when it came through and I 86 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: was like, no, I don't know about that. I love 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: the show, but I don't know if I could. And 88 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: then it was sort of like the next day and 89 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: I was like, why wouldn't you Like I'd finished football, Yeah, 90 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: I really missed the challenge. Yeah yeah, and just that 91 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: grind and stuff and it's hard, you know, you're in 92 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: a team and stuff, and the World War is love 93 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: the show, Like, why wouldn't I at least sort of 94 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: go in for a chat to see. 95 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: What it's all about. 96 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: So you're the opposite. When I interviewed Peam Miranda, she 97 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: was like, I tried to get on the American version. 98 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: I am like a full blown hardcore fan. She's like, 99 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: because I wasn't an American resident, I couldn't get on 100 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: the Like she was ready to go. And so I 101 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: hear what you're saying about the reality thing. But I 102 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: feel like Survivor is its own beast. It's not like 103 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: a reality normal not quote unquote a normal reality show, 104 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: Like it is a full like you are putting yourself 105 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: to the limits kind of show. 106 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 107 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: I completely agree, And that's the that's the reason I 108 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: did it, Yeah, I mean because of I guess my 109 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 3: background in football and more so being with Megsie. Yeah, 110 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 3: people do have a little bit of an interest in you. 111 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: And with that came some offers for some other reality 112 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: TV show that I feel bad that Survivor would ever 113 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: be lumped in with, because it's one hundred percent right 114 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 3: what you say, yeah, it's to call it a reality 115 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: show is not doing it justice, I think, because it's 116 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: it's genuinely what you see on TV is what you get, 117 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: Like we are starving. I mean first first time around, 118 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: I lost sort of you know, twelve kilos and it's 119 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: really really hard and to just lump it in his 120 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: reality television probably isn't fair to you know what the 121 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: people go just how hard it is. But there is 122 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: this cult following around it, like there are hardcore fans 123 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: like you just wouldn't believe people offering to buy stuff 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: off you that you've you've worn in the thing and 125 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: stuff and I sort of I haven't sold anything. If 126 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 3: I did like it, it'd be good to do something 127 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: for maybe charity, but it's just nice having all that. 128 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: Gear that you have out well. 129 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: Also, you've been through something so extreme that You're like, well, 130 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: if I can, you know you've got ninety eight percent 131 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: old factory recall smell recall. So I imagine I was 132 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: just saying this to you before you hit record. P 133 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: is like, do you want to smell my clothes? And 134 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: I was like, what she's like, do you want to 135 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: smell like she's got like a full bag of all 136 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: her Have you washed yours? 137 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: No? 138 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. And it's what you say about the smell, 139 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: because when I go to that part of my wardrobe 140 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: with the survivor sort of boxes and stuff and you 141 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: open it up and you get that smell of dirt, 142 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: you camp fire, It's it's very specific and it's sort 143 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: of takes. 144 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: So I'd never wash it. 145 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, so that is not just a Peter thing. 146 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: That is a thing. 147 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 148 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: I have washed some of the things, but then like 149 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: the buff Yeah, never wash not one. 150 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: Of the shirts. 151 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, a pair of pants I still wear? 152 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: So good. Okay. Can we go back a little bit 153 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: to AFL Jean. So, like I was saying, when I 154 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: was born, my dad put me on the MCC members 155 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: list kind of thing, and when I moved to Queensland, 156 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: I gave it up. Much to my dad's dismay. He 157 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: was like, you'll never get one of these again in 158 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: your life, So think about this. But so I've grown 159 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: up where AFL in our family is a huge, huge part, 160 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: Like it's a huge part of your life. It does 161 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: feel like its own kind of yeah, religion. So Carlton 162 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: was your first, then Richmond. You did the tasks right. 163 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: So two big Melbourne, big big Melbourne teams, huge, huge. 164 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: Like what an opportunity to play for Carlton and Richmond, 165 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: Like two of the biggest teams ever. You know, Carlton's 166 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: one of the oldest football club like second or third 167 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: if I'm not wrong, Like in the world. That's not 168 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: just AFL, that's any code of football. So to play 169 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: for these two clubs, we've got an unbelievable history and 170 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: just the great players that sort of came before you. 171 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: It's like something I'm so grateful for. 172 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: What was it that drew you to AFL? Is the discipline? 173 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: Is it like being in a team. Is it like 174 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: putting your body right to Like I feel like you're 175 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: such an athlete that you're like it's into this like 176 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: one percent of like you, I feel like you have 177 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: to be so fit so onto it, but like so 178 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: specific and skill set as well, like what was it 179 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: the druid afl. 180 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: A job? Really honestly what it originally was. 181 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: It was like I'd sort of played sport all my 182 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: life and I've always been athletic, and I started watching 183 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: footy when Brisbane because I grew up in just south 184 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: of Brisbane and. 185 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: Logan and unfortunately Logan's great Logans. 186 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: I had a fantastic childhood there and so I grew 187 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 3: up sporty like soccer, swimming, athletics mainly, and then Brisbane 188 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: winning their premierships in the early two thousands, I sort 189 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: of started sort of watching footing and I thought, gee, 190 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: I'm tall athletic, like they seem to like that thing 191 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: in footy. So at sixteen I decided, well, let's give 192 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: it a go and sort of started playing and it 193 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: sort of took off from there and then it's sort 194 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 3: of eighteen drafted to Carlton and stuff. But it was 195 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: never through a lack of footy or I want to 196 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: push myself and challenge myself. It was like, yeah, like 197 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 3: being completely honest, when I first started, it was like, well, 198 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: I haven't done amazingly well in. 199 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: School and I don't know what I want to do. 200 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 3: So this is you know, there's good money in this, 201 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: and like I worked hard to get there, and then 202 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: when I was when I got there, that wasn't like, yes, 203 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: I'm doing what I've always loved, but it did turn 204 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 3: into that. And what started, I guess as a bit 205 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: of a job turned into turned into a passion. And 206 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 3: then that that's when, especially later in my career, when 207 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 3: that challenge came and the want to sort of push 208 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: yourself and the want to compete. That's something that I 209 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: didn't sort of naturally come into footy with, but it's 210 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: something that I acquired or developed or evolved into. 211 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: And also coming into it, like we forget the footy 212 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: players are so young. Like you just said eighteen you 213 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: were drafted, is that right? Like you don't really know 214 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: who you are at adeen if you think about it, 215 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: And so it makes sense that over your career you 216 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: would be like, hang on a seg I love these 217 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: things about it and I actually really this is a passion, 218 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: you know. 219 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm completely different to the person I 220 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: was at eighteen. I'm very different to the personal at 221 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty three. 222 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that just that just happens, Like we all go 223 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: through that. 224 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: I mean I was soft as butter when I first 225 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: started footy and stuff, and football taught me, you know, resilience, 226 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: the love for competing. 227 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: Discipline, would there be a lot of discipline in it 228 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: all that. 229 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: I learned all that through football and it's something that 230 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: I've taken after I've left football and it's been a 231 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: huge plus for me in my sort of away from 232 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: football life. 233 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also like career wise as well, Like you've 234 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: had the drive and you've had like to be in 235 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: Hospo and then Dollywood Dales, but like these are all 236 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: things have not much to do with footy really, but 237 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: they take that determination discipline to kind of like see 238 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: an idea through or see a goal through. And I 239 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: think that, like that's why I always love enduring athletes 240 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: because they've got that, like it's like this internal just 241 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: like here's a goal. I'm going to work really hard 242 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: and I'm going to put blood, sweat and teas in 243 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: it to make this thing come true. And I think 244 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: that that's where athletes are insanely incredible, because you've got 245 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: to have this almost for that time of your life 246 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: a single point focus. 247 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you do, and it's the one the ones that 248 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: do that that are the most successful. And when you 249 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 3: couple that with you know, athletic ability and natural talent 250 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 3: there that you outlies like your buddy Franklins and stuff 251 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, but then you've got some other players 252 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: you might not know. But I played with this play 253 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: at Richmond called Caane Lambert. Yeah, and he's not tall, 254 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: he's not quick, but he's got that. He's got that determination. Yeah, 255 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: he's he's got that more than anybody else, and that's 256 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: what made him a great player. Yeah. 257 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: I love that. They say I train in acting and 258 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: they say every time that you're training and your determination 259 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: trumps your natural skill set. Every time. They're like, because 260 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: you can be the most naturally skilled person in the room, 261 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: but if you don't have the determination to see it through, 262 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: go through the rejections all that kind of jazz, sit 263 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: in the pain, you know, because it's so much yeah, 264 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: rejection and whatnot, and then you're not going to see 265 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: it through. And it sounds like, yeah, you mix natural talent, 266 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: but also you've got to have this like resilience and drive, 267 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: and I imagine that would have been handy for survivor 268 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: as well. 269 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have. 270 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 3: And that again is something that I learned from football, 271 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: because I came into football pretty raw, really athletic, especially 272 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: for sort of you know, two hundred centimeters to be 273 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: able to jump and run like I could. 274 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: It was really like really sought after. 275 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: But I probably didn't have that other I definitely didn't 276 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 3: have that other stuff when I started. That drive, that determination, 277 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: but I could get away with it at the start 278 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: because I was so athletic. Yeah, and then a couple 279 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: of injuries happen and all of a sudden, I'm not 280 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 3: so quick anymore. 281 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: You know. 282 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: You bust my pcl on my right leg, and so 283 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: I've got to learn to jump off my other leg. 284 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: And I've gone from being really athletic to not really 285 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: athletic at all, like just like that. And that's when 286 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 3: I really had to sort of flip it up and go, well, 287 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: if I'm actually gonna, you know, keep playing for a 288 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: significant amount of time. 289 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: In football, I've got a I've got it. 290 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: I find that determination, that drive because I don't have 291 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 3: that athleticism anymore. And yet it's it definitely came in 292 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 3: handy and survivor when I got out to Survivor the 293 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 3: first time, and I sort of realized because I'd been 294 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: in a professional sporting environment for twelve years, it's all 295 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: I knew pretty much. Yeah, And then you get out 296 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: there and you realize just how especially when you're working 297 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: in a team at the start of game, like you're 298 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: doing Survival, you're in two tribes of twelve people. 299 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: You work in teams, then you. 300 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: Learn how few people have that experience and just how 301 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: valuable it. 302 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: Is in a team. 303 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: Oh I bet, I bet, can we I'm so pumped 304 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: short Survivor. But with your injuries and stuff, is it 305 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: true that you were short sighted at the start and 306 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: you had to get did you ever get like I 307 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: something done with your eyes? I deep I found old 308 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: interviews of you, like at the end of round one, 309 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: at the end of YouTube bus and stuff. But so 310 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: like I imagine you're young, like in your bite on your 311 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: healthy to realize, Oh, hang on, I'm sure was it 312 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: short sighted? 313 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? It was short sighted. 314 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: I'd struggled with things sort of far away, So when 315 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: the ball was sort of being kicked me, I couldn't 316 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: see who was kicking it. I couldn't pick up on 317 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: the flight of the ball. As quick as sort of 318 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: other players can. So I tried contacts. It was a 319 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: bit of a sork. I didn't like them. Yeah, and 320 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: then there was the laser option, and a made of mine, 321 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: Michael Jamison was going through the same thing and he 322 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: was like, let's just both get lazy together. 323 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: It's full on, isn't it. 324 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: It's horrific. It's terrific. 325 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 3: And we had to get the more horrific one because 326 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: there's there's two different types. There's LASK and PRK. And 327 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: they said, you're playing in contact sport, you can't have 328 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: LASIK because you could dislodge a retina or a corner 329 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: or something like that, so you have to get PRK. 330 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: It's basically like you have it done and it's like 331 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: you've got sand in your eyes. Oh, for about four 332 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: or five days, like constantly. 333 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: A friend of mine had it about two weeks when 334 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: he's still got sunglasses on and he's like on pack. 335 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: He said, it was like three or four days, feel 336 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: like that don't exists because of the painkillers. You forget, 337 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: you almost forget you've been through it. He's like, it's 338 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. 339 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: It's it was really horrible, but now I mean, I 340 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: always joke to me because she's got shocking eyes. 341 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: I joked that there's laser and against division and anything. 342 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: Just let me know, I'll love read it for you. 343 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: And so then more towards like the end of your 344 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: AFL career was back injuries. 345 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so and that one really sort of 346 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: came out of the blue. I'd had a really good, 347 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: probably my best season in twenty sixteen. 348 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 349 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: I played almost every game relatively injury free, missed one 350 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: or two with injury. 351 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: I think. 352 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And yeah, it was a really consistent, good, good 353 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: season for me, which is something that I hadn't had. 354 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: And it was in the off season. Actually, I just 355 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: woke up one morning, I think it was October and 356 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: really saw back and I was like, I've got to 357 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: stiff back. That's not that's not great lower back. Yeah, 358 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, it'll sort of go, and it 359 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: didn't go. And it was about, you know, a month later, 360 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: I was like, jes I should probab tell the CLIs 361 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: about this, like it was really restricting me. Told the 362 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 3: club and then they sort of said, look, keep an 363 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: eye on it. Will maybe sort of shoot some cortzone 364 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: in sort of around it. And keep an eye on it, 365 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 3: and it just didn't get better. So the whole sort 366 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen was sort of spent injured and we 367 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 3: were trying everything. So we tried epidurals, we triedpi dural 368 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: Yeah that's joke. 369 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: And there was probably I probably had about six or 370 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: seven of them. 371 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, like Pritniss alone, Cairo Physios, back gym for the 372 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: keyser kais of these people around Melbourne, like trying everything. 373 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: Nothing was sort of working. 374 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 3: And then sort of the eleventh hour, sort of towards 375 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: the end of the season, there was a surgeon who 376 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: had come over. He was injecting basketball is in Vancouver, 377 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: I believe, with this new technique where instead of a 378 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: normal epidural will put corterzone around the disc, this guy 379 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: went straight into the disc and would put design. So 380 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: we knew from the scans that it was my L 381 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: four L five. Ye got it, So go in there 382 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: like ct machine puts it in like they give you 383 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: a bit of sedation just to sort of calm me down, 384 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: and it was like immediately better, like just instantly better, 385 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: to the point where I was all right, let's go. 386 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 3: So then the club obviously had a plan for me 387 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: to come back, and it would be like, look, we 388 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: need we need a solid month, like three four weeks 389 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 3: of training into you, which I did, and then had 390 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 3: another injection, same one because they wear off and you 391 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: never know how long they're going to and then the 392 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: next one I got like eight weeks out of it 393 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: and stuff, and I came back. I played some really 394 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: good footing in the VFL and then was emergency all 395 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: through the final series for Richmond and they went on 396 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 3: to win the Grand Final and I. 397 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: Was emergency for the Grand Final. So it was hard. Look, 398 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: anything could have happened that year. 399 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 3: I'm not saying like, we just got Tobyan Curvis, who's 400 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 3: an unreal ruckman and he probably you know, might have 401 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: been there at the end regardless of whether my back 402 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: was all right or not. But it was still sort of, 403 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: you know, very bittersweet because these guys that you love. 404 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: Have just won the sort of premiership and you've been 405 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 2: this close. 406 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so if your emergency would have you been literally 407 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: watching it on the sidelines, Well, yeah. 408 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: We're in the stands and stuff. 409 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 3: But me and the other two emergencies had to do 410 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 3: the Grand Final parade as well, just in. 411 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: Case we played, So we had to go on. 412 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: The back of these youths down Flinders Street or whatever 413 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 3: it is, knowing that you're sort of probably not going 414 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 3: to play, but just in case. 415 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: Oh that's heartbreaking. 416 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 3: Look it's a bit, it's a bit mentally rough. Like 417 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: I'm still sort of, you know, grateful for the experience, 418 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 3: but it was tricky, and the back's the thing that 419 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 3: sort of ultimately ended me off because I had one 420 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: year left on my contract in twenty eighteen. Yeah, we 421 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: thought we'd give it a go with these injections and stuff, 422 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: but the next couple didn't really take and they sort 423 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: of only gave me about two weeks of relief, got it, 424 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: And I had that conversation with the doctor and said, look, 425 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 3: he's like, look, I'm not comfortable to keep doing this 426 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 3: to your back. You've got to make a call here. 427 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: And that's when I sort of made the call. I 428 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 3: think it was maybe a third of the way through 429 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: the season. I said, I'm just to call it quits here. 430 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to do any more damage. 431 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: Ninety eight matches mate. 432 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: Too short, too sure. 433 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: My dad's a big AFL fan, And I said to myself, 434 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe the ninety eight thing. 435 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: I was. 436 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't even going to bring it up because I 437 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: was like, that would be so heartbreaking. But then I 438 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: saw on Survivor you talk about it, or you talked 439 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: about it in your promo pack, and I was like, mate, 440 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: and like, to be so close to a Grand final 441 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: as well, Like that's the holy grail put in the punt, 442 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 443 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: Well, it is, and it's you know, it's a couple 444 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: of close misses. 445 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: It's just short of one hundred games, just short of 446 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: a Grand final and stuff. But and I guess I was, 447 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: you know, I can look back at and I can think, 448 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: wouldn't that be nice? But I honestly don't get hung 449 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 3: up on it. Like I'm so grateful for my time 450 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 3: in football, and what I took away from it more 451 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: than anything was I guess that stuff we were talking 452 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: about earlier, like what I got from football, which was resilience, 453 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 3: that determination and the friendships is I think the number 454 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: one thing, like yeah, yeah, it didn't make entre games 455 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: yet and we're going to final brand low Metal or whatever. 456 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 3: But the friendships that I took away from football and 457 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 3: the other stuff is it is fantastic. 458 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: And cut to Survivor twenty nineteen. I have watched. I've 459 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: soaked up as many clips as I can. Some of 460 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: the things that you had to do were so grueling. 461 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: Like there's this one where you're like not trapped underwater, 462 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: but there's like a like a lattery looking thing and 463 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: you have to the water is rising and you have 464 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: to like make almost like a cup with your hands 465 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: to get it was down to you and one another. 466 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: It looked like, I feel like you have to face 467 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: so many fears on a show like that. You know 468 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: the thing I'm talking about the time, Yeah, it it scares. 469 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: So the water was rising, right, and you're kind of 470 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: effectively like not trapped, but like under a contraption. 471 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: You can get out anytime you want. 472 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 3: It's basically just like horizontal prison bars and they're not 473 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: wide enough for you to fit your head through. You 474 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: can get sort of part of your mouth and those. 475 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 3: So they build it for the tide, so you start 476 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: at low tide and then you sort of go out 477 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 3: there and you can breathe quite quite quite comfortably. 478 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 2: It's still like your ears are under it. Yeah, not 479 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: the most comfortable thing. 480 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: But then that tide rises and then you can't sort 481 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: of breathe with the aid of I guess a hand 482 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: snorkel and stuff. And we therefore was about maybe forty 483 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 3: minutes or something like that. 484 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: That's a pretty long time to be like fighting for Yeah. 485 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: And it gets to a point obviously where the tide 486 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: gets so high, like it's you just can't breathe it anymore. 487 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it can only last so long. But it was. 488 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 3: It was a really horrible experience. But again it's like 489 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: those things help you grow. 490 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again that's that resilience, all the stuff that 491 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: you're learning, like, oh you sorry, you've learned, and then 492 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: you can bring it to the show. What's the hardest 493 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 1: thing that happened on that show? Like what was the trickiest? Obviously, 494 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: I imagine the hardest thing would have been being away 495 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: from fam bam, because you've got an awesome little gang 496 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: at home that I love watching on instaf and Bosco 497 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: I love. Yeah, we've got a border too, he's a border, 498 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: and I imagine that'd be Was that the hardest thing? 499 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: Like being away and like because you get no contact. 500 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: It's it's nothing, it's not like yeah, but surely like 501 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 3: producers or you know, they'll tell you like, oh the 502 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 3: family says, Hi, it's no, it's nothing. They'll tell you 503 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 3: if something's really wrong. But other than that, you've you've 504 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: got no idea. You've got no idea what's happening at home, 505 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: how everybody's going, Is everyone healthy? 506 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: Like, you don't get anything. So that little Yeah, we. 507 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 3: Have had his fifth birthday when I was out there, 508 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 3: Rosie was about two. 509 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: That's pretty small to be missing dad. Okay, so if 510 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: that's the hardest thing, what about like if we go 511 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: down to like the challenges and obviously food, you're obviously 512 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: like a super fit but a bigger human being, right, 513 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: so you would probably use Like I'm a nutritionist, I 514 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: imagine that you would need to eat a fair bit 515 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: of food to feel like just for regular energy requirements 516 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: in one day. Yeah, it's going to be cut in 517 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: a quarter or a third, I imagine. 518 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: I think even less. 519 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: Really well, Yeah, I went out I think the first 520 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: time I played it one eight one hundred and nine 521 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: kilos something like that. So I've got a pretty good metabolism, 522 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: so I have to eat a fair bit to maintain 523 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: that sort of that sort of weight. And I mean 524 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 3: when you're out there, you're getting like it's probably like 525 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: a handful of rice a day and a handful of 526 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: half a handful of beans. Now, if you win rewards 527 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: and stuff, you can get more food, but then it 528 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: will be like you win a reward, you might not 529 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: get another reward for you know, six days we went 530 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 3: I think twenty days without a reward. So it was 531 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 3: just rice and beans, and there was nothing but like 532 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: coconuts for us to sort of harvested our beach so 533 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 3: you can supplement it with coconut but then that sort 534 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: of comes with its own drawbacks, you know, to get 535 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: over it a bit and get over it really quick. 536 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, so the hungry is definitely hard as well. 537 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: Family is the number one thing. Challenges, as tough as 538 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 3: they can be, I still love them, yeah, Like I 539 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 3: really really loved competing, especially the sort of one on 540 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: one challenges, yeah, which was so much fun. 541 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: Like the prison bars in the water, like that was horrible. 542 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 3: That's probably the the hardest, most uncomfortable thing I did 543 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 3: out there. But nothing compares to it, and nothing sort 544 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: of made me more upset. It was harder to deal 545 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: with them being away from the family. 546 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, because so you're in there for thirty 547 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: two days. 548 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I lasted thirty two days, but then at 549 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: that point I was the first member of the jury, 550 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: that's right, So I've got to stay the whole. 551 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 2: Time anyway, which is you know. 552 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 3: My first season was fifty days, so I was out 553 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 3: at day thirty two. But then I had to sort 554 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: of stay in jury Villa and go to every tribal 555 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 3: council until the end, which is great because you obviously 556 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: put a lot on hold, and you sacrifice a lot 557 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: to get out there in the first place, you know, 558 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: family and when work in some extent for a lot 559 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 3: of people out there my first time, and to think 560 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 3: that you could be voted out and then you just 561 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: sort of spend time. So it's nice to still be 562 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: involved in the jury and have a say in who 563 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 3: wins at the end. Yeah, So it's great, but it 564 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: also means more time. 565 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: Away from your fair fan bam. 566 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like it looked like you guys met 567 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: in Fiji and had a little fan bam time after 568 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: Did you do that? 569 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 3: It was actually I think a month or two later 570 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 3: we went back, did you Yeah, And we had some 571 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: time in Fiji time. But I still got back there 572 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 3: and we're at a beautiful resort that we've stayed at before, 573 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: and my mind was still sort of like I'd be 574 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 3: looking at coconut trees thinking like they're ripe and ready, 575 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 3: or like papai and stuff. I'd be thinking like I 576 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: could get those, Like I was just constantly scanning. 577 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: Like was PTSD in a weird kind of way, like 578 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: I thought it all back? 579 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 580 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: So we can announce that you are officially on the 581 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: new SVIVA. So it's called Heroes Versus Villains. Yea, and 582 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: you are a hero. 583 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: I'm a hero. 584 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: That's exciting. I'm allowed to say this. I've seen this 585 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: on the Instagram, my normal lasses. We're allowed to say 586 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: where it was shot. Yes, and it's all wrapped now right, 587 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: it's totally finished the filming and stuff. But you have 588 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: to hold your tongue until probably the end of gen 589 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: that's when it starts airing. 590 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 3: That's when it that's when it may I think the 591 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 3: end of jam. They've sort of said, so wow, but 592 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: in terms of that, that's that's all that can be said. 593 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's Heroes films. It's in Samoa, and. 594 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: Can I ask? Can I ask like as an athlete, 595 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: was your pre like your physical prep different to either one? Yeah, 596 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: can you share what the difference was like for your prep? Like, 597 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: because I know other people are like, yeah, I did. 598 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: Like in the lead up, I was like in the 599 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: gym all the time, I was trying to feel really 600 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: really strong or like I was focused more on like 601 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: mental mental like stamina and stuff, like what has your 602 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: prep been and how did it change? 603 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: I think first time, I was just like, all right, 604 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: I probably thought you're gonna have your shirt off a lot, 605 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 3: try getting decent condition. 606 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: I love that that was your first part. 607 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 3: It's something you had to think about, right, like, obviously 608 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: get strong and stuff like that, but don't look like 609 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: a mess on the DV. Because you've got my family 610 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 3: and kids that are going to see you and stuff. 611 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 3: So that definitely sort of this time around, I sort 612 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 3: of I spent more time, started reading a few books, 613 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: just like. I read a book called Cues, which was 614 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 3: really good, just about subtle social cues that people, of. 615 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: Course, because it becomes a full blown human behavior behavior 616 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: site game in the very end, like towards the end, right, So. 617 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 3: I did did some more of that stuff, and I 618 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 3: also just stacked weight on because I sort of went in. 619 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: I mean, my sort of football playing weight was about 620 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: one hundred and three hundred and four. First time I 621 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: went in one hundred and eight and got really lean, 622 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: really quick. So I was like, well, I want to 623 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: I want to stack some weight on here, because like 624 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 3: it's going to I know, if the facts off. Yeah, 625 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 3: and yeah, I'll sort of start the game heavy, but 626 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: then hopefully, I mean, the fear was that you get 627 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 3: voted out first and then you've got to. 628 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 2: Go home and lose all the way. Yeah, which it 629 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: may have happened. 630 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 3: I can't say, yeah, but yeah, that's that's the I guess. 631 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: I just sort of tried to put more weight on this. 632 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: It's interesting that you mentioned about the like reading reading 633 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: social cues as well and being able to read like 634 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: human behavior. I think it's so I'm really training and acting, 635 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: you get so into human behavior. But also watching Survivor, 636 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: it goes from like watching these incredible challenges to like, oh, 637 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: hang on a sec. There is like manipulation going on here. 638 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: There is like legit manipulation. Then there's just manipulation for 639 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: the game. Like it's a very it feels very psychologically layered. 640 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is, and it's that's why it's such 641 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 3: a good game. 642 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 643 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 3: I think it's a it's a real family show, like 644 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: families love watching it. Yes, and the kids really like 645 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 3: the challenges, like you know when I sort of like 646 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: when it was on the first time and stuff, and 647 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: kids would come up to me and they'd sort of 648 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 3: talk about challenge and I'd love the challenges. But it's 649 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 3: I think the adults love the that side of it, 650 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 3: like the social and the manipulation and the lying and stuff, 651 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: and it's really great and it's really good fun to 652 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: be out there and doing it and be a part 653 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: of it. 654 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 655 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: How do you feel if you kind of get swindled 656 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: a bit by someone? 657 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: It's part of it. 658 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: Yes, you can just roll with it. 659 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 3: You're trying to swindle, you're getting swindled. It's like the 660 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: real life gets put on hold. Yeah, and that's why 661 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 3: it's fun, because it's like you're playing like a game 662 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 3: of Cludo or like Monopoly and stuff, and it's okay, 663 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 3: you can lie within the rules and stuff. And it's 664 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: the things that I sort of did out there and 665 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: were done to me, like we never do that stuff 666 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 3: out in real life, but it's like it's fun. 667 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: You get to do it, so like all rules are. 668 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 1: Off kind of thing in that you're like like like 669 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: you and I could be mates here right now, but 670 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: if we're on different teams on Survivor, it'd be like 671 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: game on on to the nth degree to like psychological 672 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 1: all of it. 673 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And there's some people that that might take 674 00:30:59,240 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: that personally. 675 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: You see that you do. 676 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 3: In the first time I played, there were a couple 677 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: of people that didn't really like that aspect of the game, 678 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: and you know, so they wanted to play with honor 679 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: and integrity and stuff like that, and that's just got 680 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 3: no part in the. 681 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: Game really, you got to be yeah, yeah. 682 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's something like, you know, the lying and 683 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 3: the deception is something that at the end you're ultimately 684 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 3: rewarded for. 685 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: There's a right and a wrong way to do it. 686 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: I can definitely lie and manipulate in a way that 687 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: will hurt you at the end of the game to win, 688 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: but there's a good way to do it as well, 689 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 3: to get that sort of credit from the jury at 690 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 3: the end and plead your case. 691 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: And I played hard because X y Z. You don't 692 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 2: want to lie to just to piss people off. 693 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: You don't want to say personal things totally. Yeah, that 694 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 3: all has no place in helping you win the game. 695 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: And on the flip side, I feel like people make 696 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: like epic mates out of the show, like friends that 697 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: you're going to have feel in a bit the way 698 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about the camaraderie with a f Like, I 699 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: imagine there'd be people that you go through this journey 700 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: with and you're like, you're my mate for low life, 701 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: Like do you get that as well? 702 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just it's just like fast tracked because you know, 703 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: whenever you go through. 704 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: It's like trauma bonding or. 705 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: Traumatic experience with people, you bond from it. You do 706 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: and like you know, football, you you sweat and you 707 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: bleed and you work hard with these people day and 708 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: day out, and Survivor's no different. 709 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: You know, you put there with strangers. 710 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 3: You might not get along personally with everybody like you 711 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 3: want to catch up with them every day when you're 712 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: back home, but you do find one or two people 713 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 3: that you really get along with, and then that bonding 714 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 3: process is sped up because of the trauma associated with 715 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: that experience. 716 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know one thing that that just reminded 717 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: me of a footy When I was researching you, there's 718 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: this clip of you when you join the Tigers and 719 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: you kick your first goal and every like the whole 720 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: team is just like around you, and I think it's 721 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: like Bruce mackavan or someone really cool being like and 722 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: look at that for a Welcome to Tiger Land or 723 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: something it was, And I was like, that is like 724 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: something that's so cool about AFL, Like and I guess 725 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: team sports like you become a family, right yep, and 726 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: that it's kind of what you're talking about, like the anyway, 727 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: I could talk about AFL all day long. As you 728 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: can tell, I have loved having you on this pod. 729 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: You are a legend. I cannot wait to watch you 730 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: in the new Survivors Versus Villains. And I'll make sure 731 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: when this comes out, the first steps come out, so 732 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: we'll time it so that we launch and people can 733 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: go and watch you see when it comes out. But 734 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much for jumping on the pod. You're 735 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: an absolute legend. 736 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: It's good fun. Thanks having me. 737 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 738 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 739 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lullerberry. This potty my word 740 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love 741 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: it if you could subscribe, RPE and comment, and of 742 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: course spread the loves.