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Speaker 1: It's Will and Woody Podcast Mini Brook.

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Speaker 2: Bony's filling in forwards while he's in the I'm a celebrity,

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Speaker 2: get me out of here jungle. We're brought to you

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Speaker 2: by the Cols Express. Great Australian road trip this afternoon, Brook.

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Speaker 2: And right now we've got a friend of yours who

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Speaker 2: joins the show and Tony, I'm strong.

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Speaker 3: Yay, welcome Tony, I'm strong. It's so lovely to have

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Speaker 3: you well Brook.

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Speaker 4: It's so nice to be on air with you. Is

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Speaker 4: a real treat for me. Well great to be on

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Speaker 4: a on air with you as well.

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Speaker 1: Thanks mate.

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Speaker 3: He's raising his eyebrows, he's feeling left out already.

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Speaker 2: To chatting the song and I didn't appreciate it because Tony,

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Speaker 2: you've heard about the fact we've got red Rister avouchers

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Speaker 2: and you're coming for them and you know that Bricks

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Speaker 2: Brooks handing them out like tik taks and I've only

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Speaker 2: got limited free prising on this show.

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Speaker 5: Do you want?

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Speaker 4: Hey, Look, this is would love one Brook because you

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Speaker 4: know us black fellows, we love cheek chicken.

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Speaker 3: We love it so much like that is a stereotype

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Speaker 3: for a reason why, I don't know, but Okay, last

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Speaker 3: night when we were talking about Cavec on the show,

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Speaker 3: my Auntie messaged me Tony and she's like, I was

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Speaker 3: literally driving through Kvec Drive. That's not even a joke

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Speaker 3: that happened.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing a zinger box hasn't sicked. Like I'm telling

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Speaker 4: you right now, it's so nice to be able to

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Speaker 4: say this stuff. I'm telling you, it's that good.

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Speaker 3: Oh there's so much stuff that we want to talk

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Speaker 3: to you about because you have got this new show,

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Speaker 3: great Australian stuff.

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Speaker 1: But hey, you keep talking about chicken. If you want, guys,

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Speaker 1: we can.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a whole that's not that's about the.

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Speaker 2: Show, really.

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Speaker 4: About backgard What are we doing? How these guys on

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Speaker 4: there together.

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Speaker 1: Is I can see.

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Speaker 4: As well. What a joke.

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Speaker 1: Bad luck, mate, bad.

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Speaker 2: Luck, Tony.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you because there's there was this

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Speaker 3: news around this morning. I saw it when I was

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Speaker 3: on the Today Show about Nicki Windmar and about Nova

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Speaker 3: Paris talking about bringing in a lifetime band to deal

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Speaker 3: with all of the racism in the AFL at the moment.

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Speaker 3: So people who are at the grounds, but also people

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Speaker 3: who are commenting stuff on Facebook. I'm a original I'm

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Speaker 3: amillary woman, you're Aboriginal. I wanted to ask you while

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Speaker 3: we've got you, what you make of that? Do you

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Speaker 3: think it'll work? Well?

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Speaker 4: Look, I think I think we need to be throwing

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Speaker 4: the book at these people right like clearly clearly where

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Speaker 4: we're at in terms of recourse and things that are

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Speaker 4: being done isn't enough of a deterrent. So we need

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Speaker 4: to up the stakes, I think. And the next logical

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Speaker 4: step is I think those life bands or at least

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Speaker 4: significant bands with perhaps you know, going going through education

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Speaker 4: modules or that kind of thing, because I think at

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Speaker 4: the moment, and I mean, you'd cop it all the

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Speaker 4: time as well, it's like there's these faithless people that

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Speaker 4: just seem to be able to say what they want,

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Speaker 4: the day there's not much recourse and the hurt that

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Speaker 4: it causes cannot be under sold. It cannot be undersold

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Speaker 4: what it does to community, but it does to family members,

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Speaker 4: what it does to little kids who are looking up

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Speaker 4: to these people, seeing that no matter the stature or

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Speaker 4: wherever they get to in life, they're still going to

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Speaker 4: be copying it. So yeah, something needs to be done.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, I love that. I love that idea.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe like a rung but like a rung system

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Speaker 4: on the way up to it. I don't know that's

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Speaker 4: one idea or I'm all for something strong. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the other idea that I had was that if

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Speaker 3: if they're game enough to say it to your face,

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Speaker 3: should be able to just like punch them really hard.

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Speaker 3: Now you know. That's another idea that I've had. And look,

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Speaker 3: I'm just spitballing here. I think it's good.

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Speaker 4: No one would be saying let's not let's let's not

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Speaker 4: be caught on record though saying we can go violence

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Speaker 4: that too much. The stereotypes we've we've already got for.

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Speaker 3: The probably don't need any probably don't.

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Speaker 2: It's a great chat, Tony, you're going to stay with us.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go to a song make because I

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Speaker 1: You're Tony.

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Speaker 2: Ar'm strong on here, Brooke Bony talking about an issue

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Speaker 2: which I think needs to be spoken about a lot more,

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Speaker 2: getting some wonderful insights. So please stay with us. Wilbody

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Speaker 2: and Brook Bony and Tony. I'm Strong is joining us

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Speaker 2: right now. Welcome back, Tony.

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Speaker 4: What are.

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Speaker 3: He's so cool?

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Speaker 2: Who says?

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Speaker 5: What up?

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Speaker 1: He's very cool?

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Speaker 3: He's cool anywhere?

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Speaker 1: Very cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I actually saw you at a music festival over summer, Tony,

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Speaker 2: and I actually kept my distance because I felt like

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Speaker 2: I wasn't cool enough to be standing next to you.

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Speaker 3: No, you're called to.

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Speaker 4: That is good show.

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Speaker 1: No, it's true.

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Speaker 4: I feel bad. I mean the people I was around

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Speaker 4: with must have been cool. There must have been that

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Speaker 4: was really cool and you didn't notice.

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Speaker 2: But I think you're like you're a cool magnet, like

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Speaker 2: you attract the other cool.

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Speaker 4: You're like a yeah, well, sure, we'll go with it.

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Speaker 4: Why am I pushing back on a compliment? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Man, you cool. You're a cool guy.

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Speaker 2: Now we are talking about and the reason another reason

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Speaker 2: I think you cool, Tony is I heard you on

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Speaker 2: the ABC the other morning talking about the Nicki winmar

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Speaker 2: thirty year anniversary.

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Speaker 1: So thirty years since Nicki.

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Speaker 2: Even if you're not into AFL Nicki Win, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you would have seen the photo of him lifting his

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Speaker 2: he got racially abuse throughout the whole game, they kicked

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Speaker 2: an amazing gold lift his shirt and pointed the color

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Speaker 2: of his skin. And I heard you saying that afterwards

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Speaker 2: that he had said that he didn't think that this

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Speaker 2: was the fact that there's been I think there's twenty

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Speaker 2: three incidences this year of players complaining about being racially abused.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like we're currently I mean, Brook made

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Speaker 1: First day of the month style if you're standing next to.

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Speaker 4: Them and.

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Speaker 1: There's no better just age.

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Speaker 2: But there needs to be some way that we can

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Speaker 2: resolve this or get rid of them, and we are

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Speaker 2: toying around with his idea of a band now, Tony.

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Speaker 2: I know because I do want to ask both of

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Speaker 2: you though, because I remember when Eddie Betts was getting abused.

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Speaker 1: One time they did find.

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Speaker 2: The little girl that was abusing him, and rather than

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Speaker 2: banning her for life, he said, I don't want you

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Speaker 2: to ban it for life. I want to sit down

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Speaker 2: and I really want to talk to her because if

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Speaker 2: I banned for life, she's just going to get really

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Speaker 2: annoyed about this, She's going to hate me. It's just

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Speaker 2: going to build up her resentment of me and sort

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Speaker 2: of fortify her views. What do you guys think about that? Like,

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Speaker 2: is the time for that over? Do we need to

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Speaker 2: go down this road? Is there's still an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: have that sort of like educational route for the long term.

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Speaker 1: Do you think?

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Tony?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'll go, I'll go.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So I think that there's been so much onus on

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Speaker 3: black follows to keep educating people, and it just keeps happening,

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Speaker 3: and every time you do, it takes a little part

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Speaker 3: of you away, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, because every time explain that, well, every.

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Speaker 3: Time Tony or I have to get on Telly and

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Speaker 3: be like, hey, please don't be racist towards us, it

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Speaker 3: hurts our feelings and it hurts our kids, and you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's not nice. You should see the trolling that happens.

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Speaker 3: People attack you, and so it's hard for saying that, oh,

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Speaker 3: absolutely there's something wrong with people who get on the

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Speaker 2: They're just it is.

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Speaker 3: But there's a certain point where education doesn't work anymore

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Speaker 3: and it needs to be like punitive.

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Speaker 2: I think so, and you guys are tied. I can

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Speaker 2: I cancactually hear the fatigue.

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Speaker 1: We both do breakfast to.

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Speaker 5: You don't know when I could yet been up for ages, man,

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Speaker 5: but I can hear it on you though, Like I'm

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Speaker 5: getting this sense that and crept me if I'm wrong, Tony.

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Speaker 2: But exactly what Brook has said is that you're you're

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Speaker 2: you feel like that that is growing thin that model.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I agree with Brook there, it's like the

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Speaker 4: other thing and like this is I guess Eddie Mets

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Speaker 4: is a great example. Goodsy was such an amazing example

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Speaker 4: as well. It's like all all like it's always up

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Speaker 4: to us. It seems to be the ones who take

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Speaker 4: who have to who are left left to be there

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Speaker 4: to educate. It's like, as Brook said, at what point,

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Speaker 4: at what point are people going to be held accountable

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Speaker 4: for stuff that they do to other people quite often

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Speaker 4: in their workplace? You know, like this is like like

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Speaker 4: the moment are afl mentwooty players. That's their workplace. You

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Speaker 4: shouldn't have to You shouldn't have to worry about about

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Speaker 4: going to work and getting and getting racially abused. There

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Speaker 4: like that's that's that's a joke. And yeah, it's like

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Speaker 4: like like, let alone go to work. I know sports

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Speaker 4: sports are like a weird a weird beast, but letyone

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Speaker 4: go to work and be just generally abused over the fence.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't know how I'd like it if I

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Speaker 4: was trying to produce a tele show and someone was

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Speaker 4: just like yelling at me because I like I played

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Speaker 4: the wrong sting before something like yeah, like that's not cool,

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Speaker 4: and like a member of the public, let let alone,

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Speaker 4: let alone like like racially abusing people and then expecting

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Speaker 4: those people who are racially abused to be the one

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Speaker 4: centering at It's okay, okay, I'm going to hold your hand. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Like at some point, at some point, I think it's

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Speaker 4: got to be you know, grace period's over.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what, even as we're having this conversation, Tony,

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether you have the same sort of

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Speaker 3: that'll get taken out of context, like someone will write

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Speaker 3: this and Tony winging about something really yeah, but what

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Speaker 3: I really want to get across is that we love

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Speaker 3: fried chicken. Please give me you can just get back

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Speaker 3: to the facts of the matter.

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Speaker 4: Going back to Red Rooster, Yeah, you can have one.

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Speaker 1: You can have one, mate, the rooster is going get yourself.

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Speaker 1: Are hundred dollars Red Roster.

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Speaker 4: I nearly gave my address on air then, because.

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Speaker 3: So Tony's phone number is zero.

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Speaker 4: Four, I'll just give yours out to do.

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Speaker 3: Don't don't know, okay, truth, let's call the truth chick

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Speaker 1: Mind the pun guys.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say like thanks for being so honest

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Speaker 2: like just and like I really like, you know, Brook,

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Speaker 2: I consider you a friend now, Tony.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think you're a pretty good guy. Not

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Speaker 1: for me, But.

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Speaker 4: I guess I should have come up to me to music.

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Speaker 1: Next time. I will next time, I will.

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Speaker 2: But it's actually just really sad to see like like

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Speaker 2: you just remove the racial thing, like if if you

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Speaker 2: remove the skin color thing, and.

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Speaker 1: Like what it's actually about.

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Speaker 2: To actually have a friend of yours who is upset

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Speaker 3: Were just asking people to be a bit nicer.

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Speaker 2: What seller It's like, it's so tragically absurd that this

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that guys open you guys are onto

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Speaker 2: something I can maybe that is the right way, might

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Speaker 1: Maybe we need to be a little bit firmer. Maybe

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Speaker 2: If you are at a sports game and you see

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Speaker 2: to use that sort of language, because we don't want

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Speaker 2: them around. Tony, it's great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: I haven't even plugged your show. Tony's got a brand

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Speaker 2: new show.

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 2: It's called Great Australian Stuff every Tuesday for the next

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Speaker 2: three weeks on the ABC EED eight o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, three more weeks of it. It's basically to give

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Speaker 4: quick a quick analysis of what it is. Basically all

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Speaker 4: connection to So the first episode was about foods, so

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Speaker 4: you can home mate, just spot not really, not really.

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Speaker 4: You can still come

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Speaker 2: More of the boys on the full podcast just scroll up.