1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf thanks to Joyce Main Darwin 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: homes Own Stuart Highway. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 2: Beerrimot coming away very shortly. We will still get the 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: latest in local news headlines with Maddi Hepworth and we 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: are going to catch up with the Lord Mayor convat Scalas. 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: But we have heard this morning exactly what the Northern 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: Territory government is proposing when it comes to well making 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: some changes in the space of youth crime. Unfortunately, legislation 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: would not be introduced until May, and well I guess 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: that's if it all goes through during the month of 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: May in those sittings, so we're still away off from 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: any change coming into place. Joining us on the line 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: to talk more about what's being proposed. Police Association President 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: Paul McHugh, Good morning to you. 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Paul, Good morning Kenny. 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 2: Now, Paul, I'm not sure whether you heard the Police 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: Minister on the show just now and what you've made 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: of the government's proposed changes. 19 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: I had a little bit of a listener look. Obviously, 20 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: the devil's in the detail with any new legislation, and 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: obviously there's been a wave of community sentiment and feedback, 22 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: you know from a variety of sources, which you know 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: almost in some ways really has forced the hand of 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: government to make some changes. I mean, it wasn't long 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: ago the Chief Minister was I'm saying, you didn't feel 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: that the bail legislation was a problem, and now they're 27 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: looking at changing it. So I think I think we've 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: seen some horrendous crimes of late. We know, back in 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: October November last year, that horrific incident alic Springs where 30 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: a gentleman got killed. We know there have people been 31 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: knocked unconscious, assaulted, broken into while they're sleeping at night. 32 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: The list goes on, really and I think it's got 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: to the point where something had to give. And obviously 34 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: the police are at the forefront of all these crimes 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: and having to deal with the fallout, so naturally something 36 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: had to give. Yeah. 37 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: Now, I mean in terms of what they are proposing, 38 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: it still sounds as though, you know, the presumption of bail, 39 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: there's still like to me, it still sounds as though 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: there's a bit of you know, the devil's going to 41 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: be in the detail. Is this something that the rank 42 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: and file supporting at this point or is it really 43 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: just a matter of going through everything first. 44 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, obviously we'll need to go through the bill 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: obviously with some detail, but obviously the feedback from on 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: the ground is that we're definitely looking at trying to 47 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: include some other offenses into the prescribed defense list, and 48 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: you know we talk about unawful entries and unawful use 49 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: of motor vehicles and those sorts of things. I mean, 50 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: these are things that the members have been talking about 51 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: for a little while, so they are positive steps. But 52 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: of course, you know, breaching of bail for example, if 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: they're fresh offending that, you know that they will be 54 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: revoked and they put back before the core a remanded. 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: So these are things that will hopefully help police on 56 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: the front line. Of course, the SALEP have come out 57 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: strongly on this issue for some time now, and of 58 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: course we're now hearing from the government, but we don't 59 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: know what the timeline's going to be, so you know, 60 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: we've still got a long way to go. 61 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: Well, and that was I guess. You know, one of 62 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: the things that I asked the Minister this morning as 63 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: well is if the CLP is introducing that legislation this week, 64 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: is there an opportunity here for our politicians to put 65 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: their political differences aside, and actually you know, have a 66 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: look at that legislation whether they can amend it and 67 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: do what's best for territorians. 68 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a night brain er, isn't it really. 69 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've got to say what's best for 70 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: the community, and we have to get together on this 71 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: issue and obviously take into account you know, obviously we 72 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: represent the police out there and the impacts that's having 73 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: on them. We're talking about, you know, sending extra resources 74 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: down there so that now you know, we just had 75 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: a squad graduate last week, thinking those numbers will be 76 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: spread across the territory and we're sending more down to 77 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: our springs and it's impacting other areas of the territory 78 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: and we know that's not a great outcome. So something 79 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: has to give. This has to be you know, an 80 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: approach by all. And I know there's going to be 81 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: of course, some human rights and legal bodies out there 82 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: are going to say this is a step backwards. But 83 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: for heaven's sake, you know, you can't just have a 84 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: long term plan without some short term outcomes as well. 85 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: Well. And you know, like I've been talking to people 86 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: from Man and Greta to Alice Springs to up here 87 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: in Darwin and Tenant Creek. You know, this is an 88 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: issue at the moment where we've got some young kids 89 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: who very sadly are out on streets at night, whether 90 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: they've got somewhere to go, well they don't, you know, 91 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: and their families not taking that responsibility. Obviously that's one 92 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: side of it. But then you've also got another element 93 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: where it seems as though you've got some young people 94 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: who have no regard whatsoever for the law and no 95 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,119 Speaker 2: concern about the consequence. 96 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: Exactly. And we've heard it for a long time the 97 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Chief Minister and government talk about consequences are in place 98 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: for young offenders or offenders in this space, but we 99 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: haven't really seen them, have we at the end of 100 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: the day of the community still suffering enormously. Obviously, our 101 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: Springs particularly was put in the spotlight with the recent 102 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: broadcast nationally through a current affair, and of course you 103 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: know our police have been dealing with issue for some 104 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: time down there, and you know, we can't just sit 105 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: back on our hands and say, well, we've got this 106 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: long term goal when we've got some horrific offenses being 107 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: committed by people who just have no regard for the 108 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: law whatsoever. So you know, these are steps in the 109 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: right direction. As I said, the SEALP have been strong 110 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: on this for a period of time. They've come out 111 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: and want to introduce some legislation. The government need to 112 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: now take the lead. Here they are and they are 113 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: in governing and they need to take the lead and 114 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: get this in sooner rather than later. 115 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 2: Paul, if it was up to you, what would you 116 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: know what would happen this week if it was up 117 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: to our territory police. 118 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, obviously they need help now, don't they. They 119 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about May to introduce legislation. You know, 120 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: it's sometime down the track, but of course we know 121 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: traditionally the busy period is the summer period. So we 122 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: need to make sure we've got positive steps and a 123 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: clear timeline for change in legislation and making sure that's 124 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: in place well and truly before our next summer period, 125 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: because police cannot go through another summer lock. They've just 126 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: gone through. They are doing it as tough as anyone 127 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: out there. And you know, we know fifty percent of 128 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: the people that are you know, are apprehended young offenders 129 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: are then going out and committing further crime, so we 130 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: can do something about that at a start, isn't it. 131 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: So? Really, if we can get a clear timeline from 132 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: the government this week about exactly when all of these 133 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: changes are going to be implemented, or you know, do 134 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: we need to actually implement the Colp's legislation here. 135 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, obviously, you know, we came to see what 136 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: they're putting on the table. We have had some discussions 137 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: with them, of course, and they've been very strong in 138 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: terms of what they want to bring in, and of 139 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: course they're all positive changes as well from a policing perspective, 140 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: So you know, let's put it all on the table 141 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: and see what we can get done sooner rather than later. 142 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. Paul MChE President of the 143 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: Police Association, good to chat with you this morning, Thanks 144 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: for your time. 145 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: Good on you. Thanks Katie, thank you.