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Speaker 1: Black Cast, Unite our voices. Welcome to the Black Magic

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Speaker 1: Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Black Magic Woman Podcast. We are on the beautiful

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Speaker 1: unseeded land of the Kabbycaby Gabby Gabby people's which is

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Speaker 1: the Sunshine Coast. For listeners that have never heard of

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Speaker 1: Kabycabby Country, it is beautiful country here in Queensland. I'm

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Speaker 1: actually at this amazing summit that's brought together about four

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty traditional owners, industry leaders, government and just

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Speaker 1: community to talk about clean energy. So the T shirt

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Speaker 1: that I'm wearing, if you can see the whole lot

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Speaker 1: powered by US First Nations. Clean Energy and renewables is

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Speaker 1: a new conversation for some of our mob, but it's

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Speaker 1: an old con station for a lot of our mob

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Speaker 1: that have been dealing with different peoples, different big corporations

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Speaker 1: that might be developing or building infrastructure on their lands.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this infrastructure has negative impacts to our

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Speaker 1: people and our communities and very importantly some of our

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Speaker 1: sacred sites. So these conversations that I'm having with all

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Speaker 1: different mob are covering all different topics, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of them are coming back to country, community and culture

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Speaker 1: and looking after our planet, our mother. So this yarn,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited because I was sitting in the conference room

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Speaker 1: and listening to a panel and one of the speakers

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Speaker 1: is Lala, who you're about to hear. And Lala was

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Speaker 1: talking about her island where she comes from, and being

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Speaker 1: a language teacher and also a climate advocate. But to

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Speaker 1: give any more why, I'm gonna hand over to you,

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Speaker 1: my sister, to introduce yourself to my listeners and to

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Speaker 1: our viewers now tuning in via YouTube. You want to

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Speaker 1: share your name, your mob, your community, and a little

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Speaker 1: bit about where you grew up.

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Speaker 2: What's the wall hours, well for the opportunity, So see

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Speaker 2: mayam everybody.

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Speaker 3: My name is Lala Gatchen.

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Speaker 2: I'm from Aeroblin In the Torres Strait also known as

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Speaker 2: Danley Island. So Aerobylin is located in the eastern part

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Speaker 2: of the Torres Strait from the Comerica Mariam nation, so

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Speaker 2: we have the volcanic islands on the east side. So

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Speaker 2: I'm a proud Merum tribe woman. My trival totem is

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Speaker 2: the bulger, which is the brown sea booby bird. My

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Speaker 2: family tal terms are the green turtle, which is numb

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Speaker 2: in my language Serra da urn bird and also on

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Speaker 3: So that's my background.

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Speaker 2: I teach the first language of my people, which is

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Speaker 2: Eru Mer is a dialect that is spoken on erub

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Speaker 2: the Torres Strait.

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Speaker 1: And for a lot of our listeners that are tuning

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Speaker 1: in not just in Australia but right around the world.

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Speaker 1: Where is the Torrest Strait?

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Speaker 2: Oh, the Torrest Strae relocated between the Tip of Australia,

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Speaker 2: the northern part of Tip of Australia and Papua New Guinea.

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Speaker 2: So he's a cluster of islands spread I don't know

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Speaker 2: Street is made out of different you know, groups of

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Speaker 2: I'm from the Volcanic Island area and the other ones

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Speaker 3: Coralatal islands or yeah.

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Speaker 1: And Lala, you've come all the way down to Kabi

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Speaker 1: you to this conference? What was you here to talk about?

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Speaker 2: I was more weird to share my experience in this

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Speaker 2: around climate activists in Torres Straits, so more of like

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Speaker 2: a language teacher, so we all know that we Indigenous people,

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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm here to talk to find ways

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Speaker 1: Well, of course it makes sense. It makes sense to

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Speaker 1: wherever you are in the world. In Australia, the Indigenous

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Speaker 1: all of our responsibility to look after country, to protect country,

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Speaker 1: the work that you're doing now, I know that you've

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Speaker 1: What's the case? There's a famous case that someone whispered

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Speaker 1: bit about that important case?

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Speaker 2: Sure, Well, well I've first of all, I didn't have

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Speaker 2: there to support you along with my parents like my mom.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we gave evidence on sea country land country

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Speaker 2: because I come from a family where we fisherman and

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Speaker 2: we still practice like cultivation really strong in my family.

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Speaker 2: I come from a family that still has sixteen native

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Speaker 2: that strong that we want to protect those things because

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Speaker 2: it's not only food supply, but it's all connected everywhere

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Speaker 2: part of who we are. So that's why I get involved.

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Speaker 2: And we had the court come up. So it was

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Speaker 2: And I'm very happy and I'm proud to be part

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Speaker 2: because if you really shape me to be the person

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Speaker 2: my interest in, you know, fighting to stop call and

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm here at this first nation gathering here

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Speaker 2: get involved with the case is a very tough one.

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Speaker 2: But I was honored that the court could come to

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Speaker 2: where I grew up, that how we be affected and

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Speaker 2: if they go ahead with the with the project, it

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Speaker 2: can't continue my duties and abligation as a first nation

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Speaker 2: person to care for it. Just like you said, everybody

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Speaker 2: have to care for it. But I have a value

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Speaker 2: even instilling me from when I long before time, when

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Speaker 2: care for it. So yeah, that's how I get myself involved,

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Speaker 2: and that's why I'm here.

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Speaker 3: I want to learn more.

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Speaker 1: And you're seeing some good things happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm seeing good things happening, like more young people

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Speaker 2: now involved in this space. But what we're trying to

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Speaker 2: when you look at it a tour street and you

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Speaker 2: why can't we get access to these these sort of

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Speaker 3: Supposed to survive. So we look after each other. We

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Speaker 2: Other, whether we got we got or we know got

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Speaker 2: So there is change, but yeah, slowly.

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Speaker 1: Slowly, and the climate change and the sea levels that

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Speaker 1: I googled, and I've seen that Ben and Jerry is

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Speaker 3: It's another one. Why Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But the ship that I'm werrying here is Protective Island

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Speaker 3: Of the tor Straight eight.

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Speaker 2: So I'm one of the island ambassadors for that island

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Speaker 3: And here I am yowning with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was literally my husband loves bean and Jerry's

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Speaker 1: It's got the banana in it and the chop and there's

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Speaker 1: vegan range for vegans as well. Murraw with Johnson. She's

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Speaker 1: another baby. Now, congratulations and we've got to get Murrow

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Speaker 1: on this podcast. But what's some kind of words of wisdom,

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Speaker 1: like what can we share with some of our non

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Speaker 3: What's missing?

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Speaker 1: Where are the gaps or how can they support some

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Speaker 1: of these initiatives or campaigns for your people in particular,

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Speaker 1: but for Indigenous people anywhere that are impacted or we're

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Speaker 1: not at the table, we're not invited to have these

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Speaker 1: conversations when these decisions are made without us. What do

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Speaker 2: Well, as a grassroop play, we grow up all my

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Speaker 3: One thing I received at a gap where my people is.

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Speaker 3: And family time. That's all I can say. Well, he

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of distractions for us with devices, malbl fan, TikTok,

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Speaker 1: to share some of this stuers. So, my sister Lala,

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Speaker 1: it's been an absolute privilege. If I wasn't here, I

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Speaker 1: So it's not for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Biggest ours well for coming and yeah, if there's anything

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Speaker 1: Biggest to the organizers, thank you for letting me and Clint,

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