WEBVTT - How To Work From Home With Courtney Mangan 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:06.120 Working from home is really difficult. It's a lot about 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.000 sort of setting yourself up for success. So I think 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:10.920 there are definitely things that you can do for me. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.960 It's about getting a routine, getting a schedule. I think 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.800 the people that are able to grow and really build 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.200 their community right now and like work really hard on it. 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.079 If you have the time, now is the time to 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.920 really invest in your Instagram, then I think some people 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.680 will see some really good results right when we come 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:29.040 out of this. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.239 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Outspoken. Today, you're 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:38.040 joined by journalists Amy and Kate Torber. On today's show, 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.800 we're joined by the inspiring Courtney mangan. Courtney is the 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.760 owner of Spin and Co, the Spin Studio network, and 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.520 the creative director of James Cosmetics. She's also the voice 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.479 behind the Pop Culture Club and The Spin Life. In 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.880 this episode, the thirty three year old shares with us 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.320 her secrets to working productively at home and how to 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:58.480 stay positive in the. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:00:59.520 Face of adversity. 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:05.760 So officially, Courtney, welcome to Outspoken again. Thank you so 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.040 much for joining us with such short notice. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:10.440 That's okay, thank you for having me. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.680 So with all this crazy COVID nineteen stuff, going on. 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.279 How are you dealing as a business owner. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.680 I mean, it's it's a lot. It's very overwhelming, sort 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.240 of just personally and as a business owner. You know, 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.399 we keep getting notifications to our phone every day with 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:30.480 all these outlandish headlines and it's scary and you know, 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.080 not knowing how long it's going to last, I think 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.600 is you know, that's obviously the biggest unknown, and that's 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.399 one of the scariest things. And whether it's going to 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.600 affect like your health, your family's health, your staff's health. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.160 It's you know, it's a lot to deal with that. 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.080 All you can do is try and figure it out 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.840 as we go, and I think that's what everyone's doing, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:50.040 just to keep. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:50.840 It a little bit lighter. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.760 I know, for one, I'm running out of Netflix suggestions, 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.000 and as a self invested pop culture at it, can 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:57.520 you share with us what you've been watching. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.440 Well, I think for me, it's like going back to 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.400 the old comforts, So just those old faves you know 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.360 that I know that I'm gonna love. So it's like 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.079 Gray's Anatomy, Friends, the West Wing and that type stuff. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.800 But I have been watching that new Netflix true crime 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.040 doco series called Tiger King have you heard of that? 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.400 Yes, I've watched some of it. It's so weird, isn't it. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.519 Yeah. I felt like what was going on in the 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.200 world here was crazy, but this is the next level. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.280 It's about like this crazy zoo owner that basically just 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.440 has tigers everywhere in America in his home. It's like 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.360 there's like murder mystery, like a whole bunch of stuff. 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.600 It's crazy. I'm not to the end of it yet, 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.600 but I'm hearing a lot of people saying that it's 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.119 really good so so far what I've watched I would recommend, 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.960 but also finding myself trying to do like more productive things. 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.920 I find that when I sit down and I binge 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.000 watch things for long periods of days on end, it 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.519 kind of makes me a little flat. And so I'm 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:56.160 trying to avoid too much mindless watching like of TV 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.400 because otherwise I just feel like it doesn't be in 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.160 the greatest head. So I'm doing more productive things like 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.160 podcasts where I'm learning something, or like books and things 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:05.480 like that. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.639 Are there any podcasts you'd recommend that people should be 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.519 listening to besides of course Spinn and Co's podcast. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.560 Well, Brene Brown has just launched her podcast, and she's 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.200 done I think three episodes so far and she's recorded 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.359 them all like right in the middle of what we're 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.640 all dealing with. And Bretne Brown is just amazing at 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.640 what she does for speaking about things to do with 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.240 mental health. So I think that's a really productive podcast 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.520 to listen to. And I also really like the Skinny 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.680 Confidential him and her podcast, and I just think they 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.480 have great guests on about a bunch of things. It 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.920 could be like about sex, or it could be about 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.800 something spiritual, or it could be about health, it could 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.040 be about makeup. They just have a wide range of 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.520 topics and I find it really educational. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.440 Have you listened to allta Ab Chatfield's new podcast it's 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:53.840 called It's a Lot. 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.600 No, I haven't gotten to it. I have subscribed to them. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.560 I've got such a long list of things to get 0:03:58.600 --> 0:03:59.640 through at the moment, I. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:00.160 Have to say. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.120 I listened to a few episodes, and it is a lot. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:03.800 It is. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:05.280 It is sort of really it's. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.120 So I love it. I will listen to it, but wow, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.240 they really go there with some of their love and 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.800 relationship questions, to the point where I walked outside listening 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.360 to it and I had to mute it because they 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.400 started talking about I don't know, there's size and shape 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.640 of men's appendages, and I was like, oh my god, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.240 I feel like this is too much to be publicly listening. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.000 To check it. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.520 Out, Yeah, definitely, I would recommend it. I was going 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.200 to say, working at Spin and Co. There's you know, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.600 there's been so much talk about toilet paper thefts. On 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.480 a lighter note, have you guys had any of your 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.480 staff trying to take toilet paper or have you been 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.119 tempted to take any toilet paper? 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.200 No, we haven't. We did have about a week and 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.880 a half ago an issue because obviously we're going through 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.160 more toilet paper than you would in your home with stuff, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:54.760 so we had to like go to all the different 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.039 wholesales and we had to actually they had jacked the 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.000 price up so bad. I was like, Wow, we've just 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.839 spent hundreds of on a few rolls of toilet paper. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.200 That's like crazy. And I did say to the stuff like, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.040 we know how many there are don't do anything crazy, 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.640 But now we're all working from home, so they're left 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.880 to their own devices with their toilet. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.520 Paper, and so how are your staff going at home? 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.719 I know I watch a lot of your Insta stories 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.240 and I've seen the group's skype chats. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.119 How is that going? 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.000 I think that, to be honest, I've always been like 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.440 a really I guess I'm a micromanager, which sometimes has 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.280 its good things and bad things, but it's I've always 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.400 been like quite a hands on boss, and I think 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.480 I have a pretty great relationship with my team, So 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.400 I've always been able to stay like really close and 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.120 connected to them, so that even in saying that, I've 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.200 had to like really sit down and come up with 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.000 a plan of action and how I'm going to make 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.840 sure that all of them are engaged every day and 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.800 feeling like they're not in this alone. So I've done 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.279 a few things. So obviously we do the daily Zoom 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.840 meeting and that's just like a major thing I think 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.400 most companies are doing at the moment. But we also 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.919 have like a group chat on Facebook Messenger that we 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.120 message throughout the day, and I kind of get everyone 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.880 to take photos of their lunch and I'd like for 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.760 lunch today, or like I'll say, screenshot the music that 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.760 you're listening to. And it's just like little things to 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.520 get people going. And actually one of our stuff. I'm 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.039 not sure if everyone's cottoned on yet, but one of 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.240 the guys in our team has been like finding crazy 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.440 meals online and posting those photos and saying he's eating them. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.120 So the other day, who's saying that he was eating 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.040 mac and cheese with ntella and he was like it's 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:34.800 so good. Everyone was like, oh my god, I have 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:40.400 to try it, but you're just googlings. So yeah. So 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.039 it's like little things like that. And then I also 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.560 do like afternoon Trivia challenge through Zoom, so it's like 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.960 ten minutes where everyone pops on. I just ask them 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.640 some sort of pop culture trivia or I might say 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:53.560 to them like, you know, the first person who can 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.839 get to the screen with a toothbrush, or like little 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.919 challenges like that. It's like silly, but it makes them 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:00.720 feel like it's a little break up during the day, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.480 and it makes them feel like a bit more connected. 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.640 Have you seen all the videos going viral of people 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.680 having their massive fails on Zoom? I think there was 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.200 a lady who didn't realize she was on camera going 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:12.880 to the toilet. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.600 Yeah, but what kind of staff ever records that and 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.520 then like puts it online as well, that's horrible, that 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:20.240 poor woman. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:22.600 Well do you have any advice to people who might 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.360 not have used Skype or Zoom? I mean, obviously don't 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.440 go to the toilet while you're on there, but is 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.800 there sort of any etiquette tips you could provide. 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.520 I think that lighting is a major thing that I'm finding. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.000 So when I'm looking at all of my staff on there, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.240 it's like this real big blackout. And that's like my 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.240 mom and my dad because they work from us, the 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.520 one's not observing it where it's like the young people 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.560 are like looking for the perfect lighting. And even though 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.600 it seems silly, it is actually important because I can't 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.960 see when my mom is talking because it's so dark, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.360 and so she's like obviously got the sun behind her, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.280 like so she's the windows behind her, and it's like 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.920 makes it very dark where is Everybody else is looking 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.800 into the sun, so it means the light's lighting their area. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.360 So I think lighting is a big thing. And then 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.560 also like Google stuff, if you don't understand things, Google 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.040 is there. That's why I say to all of my stuff, 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.760 like how do I do this in Excel? Or how 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.640 do I do this in Zoom? And I'm like Google it. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.280 The Google's available to everyone can use that. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.040 I'm just impressed that your parents have it, Like you know, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.200 when parents have it like zoomed up on their nostrils 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.280 or something. It's impressive that they've actually, I mean, they've 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.240 got to get there. Well. No, no, our dad just 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.440 if we ever skype him, he just pretends Skype's frozen 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.920 all the time. He still finds it funny. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.720 Yeah, No, my parents are pretty good. They have. Given 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:38.240 that they work for us, they kind of have to 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.640 be good with like emails and stuff like that. But 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.440 we just had We just showed them the one time 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:43.720 and then they kind of got the hang of it. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:44.240 So good. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.080 Well, you work really closely with influencers, and there's been 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:49.880 a lot of talk about how they're going to be 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.480 affected by COVID nineteen. What do you well, how do 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.120 you think the industry will change. 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.920 It's obviously hard to tell because it's early days, but 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.600 I think we already have seen a big shift in 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.640 the way that people are using their platforms, and I 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.720 would say the biggest shift would be on Instagram. So 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.520 I think it's gonna be pretty interesting. So I think 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.400 it's going to depend on the style of influencer. You 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.400 are obviously travel bloggers, people that review restaurants, those kinds 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.040 of people who are going to have a hard time. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:23.120 There's not a huge it's not easy to shift from like, hey, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.640 I'm a travel blogger's like here, I'm at home now, 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.000 you know. Or if you don't have any of your 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.760 own cooking skills and you're usually reviewing other people's food, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.480 then it's hard to pivot. But I think that, you know, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.520 people that do beauty, fashion, fitness pages are seeing a real, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.160 really big surge of being able to do more things 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.200 at home because there's more eyeballs on their Instagram at 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.440 the moment, and there's an opportunity to utilize Insta Story Live, 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.080 which is our Instagram Live, which we haven't I haven't 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.000 ever seen this many lives in my whole life on 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:58.120 Instagram and so, and there's a lot more Insta Story content. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.320 I think it's a great way for influencers to really 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.280 build on their community at the moment and make the 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.160 most of kind of what's happening and figure out how 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.360 they can engage in new ways. And people are gonna 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:08.920 have to think outside the box, you know what I mean, 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.439 Like you can't keep posting throwback photos, you know what 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.120 I mean, Like, I don't want to keep seeing someone 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:15.920 like when I was in Bali every day. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.240 Yeah. It's a little bit time, Jeff, isn't it. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.160 Yeah exactly. So people are going to have to get 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.720 more creative and figure out how to be more authentic 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.480 with what they're doing. And I think we're going to 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.480 see less polish, I guess, and a bit more authenticity. So, 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.160 you know, for a travel blogger he usually posts these 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.200 perfectly curated photos, or even a fashion blogger who has 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.160 these perfectly styled photos, you might not be able to 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.160 do that from your own home anymore. So we might 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:46.480 see a little bit more authentic content coming through. But 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:51.319 I did sort of read an article online from there 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.120 was a comment from Tarren Williams, who she works for 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.199 or she owns like a I guess, an influencer branding 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.840 kind of agency. It's like a marketplace where people can 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.079 directly communicate with influencers, and she was saying that she's 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.360 sort of seeing a big shift with increase in brands 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.320 wanting to work with fashion bloggers, beauty influencers, all that 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.040 kind of stuff, because they're at home and they're online stores. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.000 They're trying to people online shopping at the moment, so 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.360 it's going to be interesting to see. But I think 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.920 the people that are able to grow and really build 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.360 their community right now and like work really hard on it. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.200 If you have the time, now is the time to 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.040 really invest in your Instagram, then I think some people 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:34.680 will see some really good results in it when we 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:35.440 come out of this. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:37.120 Exactly. 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.679 There's never you know, when you're watching a vlog and 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.120 an influencers like, oh sorry, I left my camera at 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.400 home and I didn't actually capture any of my day. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:45.680 There's like no excuses. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.520 Now, yeah there is, But I also think people have 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.720 to be so careful as well with what they're doing, 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:53.640 and like I'm trying to I'm not an influencer by 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.720 any stretch that means, but I do share my life 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.840 online and like even the other day, there was an 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:04.400 fluencer who was doing like a styling thing, and so 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.520 she was like every day a new styling outfit, and 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.560 she was trying to get people to like challenge people 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.920 to do it, and she was tagging people saying like 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.520 I'd love to see your style. I'd love to see 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.960 what you're doing. Here's day one challenge wearing a blazer 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.400 day two, double dinner or whatever. And then she was like, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:22.280 use the hashtag Corona chic. Oh, And I just messaged 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.800 her and was like, look, I'm thanks for tagging me, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.520 but I really feel like i'd feel shit if I 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:32.840 didn't say that hash is a very bad idea. And 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:35.559 I felt like I didn't know. I'm like, should I 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.240 say anything, like it would be one of those people. 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.960 But also it's like that is a very poor decision. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:41.839 So I was like, look, I just think you should 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.280 be careful. That's a bit insensitive about it. People are dying. 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.240 I don't think you want to make that chic, you know, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.679 think of like your son was like, aid, shee, you 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.440 know what I mean, like cancer. She No, that's wrong. 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:52.520 You shouldn't be doing that. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.560 And plus we're all wearing pajamas at home anyways. Yeah, 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:56.199 to be honest, I. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.960 Was like, also, I'm not getting dressed every day. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.679 That was one thing I was hating about the Zoom 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.679 meetings at work because I'm like, i feel like I've 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.880 got to, you know, get ready where I mean, But 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.040 then you do feel better once you have sort of 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:10.480 gotten out of the pajamas. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.679 I mean, moved into active wear, but it's still a 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:14.280 still a step in the right track. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.040 Every day is active wear, but I definitely get out 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:18.960 of my pajamas every day. But yeah, she changed the 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.000 hashtag getting more all the stories that was good. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.280 Did she changed it too so we can look it up? 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.000 Is it? I can't even remember what it was. It 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.640 was just like every day sheep, very very general. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.000 Then we're talking about influencers. I've noticed a few who 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.680 have been posting I'm assuming sponsored content of them wearing 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.240 specific branded face masks. What's your take. Do you think 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.880 that's a clever move or do you think it's It 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.520 sort of fits in the same category as the Corona 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:46.920 chic hashtag. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.360 Do you mean like the like the medical kind of masks. 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.920 Well, I've seen I think it's culture. Kings have released 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.520 some face masks and I've seen a few influencers donning them, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.360 and to be honest, I mean, they look better than 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.800 the surgical mask. But I don't I don't know how 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.920 I feel about it. Do you think that it's sort 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.000 of okay to be I suppose profiting or. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.360 Taking selfies, I suppose making light of it. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.400 Yeah, Yeah, I mean I think it's like at the moment, 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.319 it's a really hard mix. We can't deny that businesses 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.560 are going to have to capitalize in some way in 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.200 what's happening to stay afloat, you know. And if people 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.080 can make a mask more shiki geky or whatever and 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.360 people want to buy it, then you know, more power 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.480 to them. It definitely is a fine line. Like I 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.280 think a hashtag is definitely not the right direction. But 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.400 my issue with those mass is like, are they actually 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:38.040 doing anything? 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.400 Yeah? I mean I suppose at least they're stopping the 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.080 strain on people, you know, using the medical ones, but yeah, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.440 it doesn't really seem like they do much from what 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:47.440 I've googled anyway. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:49.760 Yeah, that's what I think as well. It's like, I 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.480 actually don't think there's And then do you see people 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.560 wearing them but just over their mouth and not over 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.520 their nose? Really not doing anything. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.160 I kind of want. When I was looking at I 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.280 love Michael Jacks, and I must say, and I know 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.920 he was wearing the masks way back in the day, 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.440 and if you google it some of the masks he 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.400 was wearing. I was like, people should get onto that, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.640 you know, there should Yeah, I'm sure they will in 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.080 six months time we might all be wearing them regardless 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.800 of if the coronavirus is around. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.560 Yeah. Well, I was just thinking the other day I 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.560 wonder what's going to happen with fashion, Like are we 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.320 just pausing and will the trends remain the same or 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.120 we're going to get a whole new trend, Like what's 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:27.280 going to how are we going to come out in 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.280 a totally different season? Do you know what I mean? 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.360 Like are we going to go in and autumn and 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.360 come out in you know spring? Who letty knows what's 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:34.800 going to happen. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:36.760 It's interesting, I know, and it's so bad because I 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.840 keep getting emails with all the sales and I'm so tempted, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.440 but I'm like, oh, I don't know if it's the 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:42.280 right time to. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.160 Cloth. That's why I'm like, I'll have no where to 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.440 wear it, and will it still be like trendy when 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:50.800 I'm going to wear it? I don't know. I'm trying 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.000 to like hold back, But then I'm also mindful that, 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.720 like I want people to spend with my businesses, so 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.680 I want to be supporting people as well. So it 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.720 definitely is a fine mix because you want to save 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.840 your money in case anything happens, and then also you 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.560 want to be supporting people, so it is difficult exactly. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.360 Well, one thing I've been loving particularly, and you've touched 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:09.960 on a few of the tips already, but is the 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.480 tips you've been sharing at home to be productive. Now 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.280 we've spoken about getting out of your pajamas and the 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.320 zoom meetings, but are there any other things you can 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.320 share with us that help you get productive and motivated 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:21.440 when you're working from home. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.760 Yeah, I think that it's a lot about sort of 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.600 setting yourself up for success. Working from home is really difficult. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:33.360 You know. Even I'm pretty good at sticking to my work, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.560 and I work from home regularly at night on weekends. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.240 Being a business owner, that's pretty like it comes pretty 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.280 naturally to me. But even me sitting there for eight 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.400 hours every single day, all alone, I'm single, so I 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.880 do literally live alone. It's really hard. And if you 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.560 just think you can just turn your laptop on in 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.760 the morning and sit on the couch and you're going 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.600 to do that day in and day out for eight hours, 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.160 you're just setting yourself off of failure. So I think 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.080 there are definitely things that you can do for me 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.360 It's about getting a routine, getting a schedule. So I 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.240 make sure that I wake up at the same time 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.920 every day, and then whether it's like then I make 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.080 my breakfast or then I work out or whatever it is, 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.240 it's about having those all things that you would normally 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.560 do get having a shower, getting changed into even if 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.240 we said activewear or like you know, tracks, trackies, whatever 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.000 it is. Having a designated workspace is really important, I think, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.600 because I think it's going to be an issue with 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.879 people not knowing when to turn off work life and 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:34.399 turn on you know, like you personal life, I guess, 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.640 or certain life it's not really social, and then it's 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.480 going to be the flip side. You know, if you 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.080 start the morning watching a favorite Netflix show, at what 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.359 point does that stop and then you actually are productive 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.119 with work, you know. So we're going to find that 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:47.680 is an issue. So that's why I always try to 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.880 be like, well, I'm at my desk by eight point 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.800 thirty every single morning, ready for the day, and I 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.480