1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Working from home is really difficult. It's a lot about 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: sort of setting yourself up for success. So I think 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: there are definitely things that you can do for me. 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: It's about getting a routine, getting a schedule. I think 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: the people that are able to grow and really build 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: their community right now and like work really hard on it. 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: If you have the time, now is the time to 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: really invest in your Instagram, then I think some people 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: will see some really good results right when we come 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: out of this. 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Outspoken. Today, you're 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: joined by journalists Amy and Kate Torber. On today's show, 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: we're joined by the inspiring Courtney mangan. Courtney is the 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: owner of Spin and Co, the Spin Studio network, and 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: the creative director of James Cosmetics. She's also the voice 16 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: behind the Pop Culture Club and The Spin Life. In 17 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: this episode, the thirty three year old shares with us 18 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: her secrets to working productively at home and how to 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: stay positive in the. 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: Face of adversity. 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: So officially, Courtney, welcome to Outspoken again. Thank you so 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: much for joining us with such short notice. 23 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: That's okay, thank you for having me. 24 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 2: So with all this crazy COVID nineteen stuff, going on. 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,279 Speaker 2: How are you dealing as a business owner. 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a lot. It's very overwhelming, sort 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: of just personally and as a business owner. You know, 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: we keep getting notifications to our phone every day with 29 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: all these outlandish headlines and it's scary and you know, 30 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: not knowing how long it's going to last, I think 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: is you know, that's obviously the biggest unknown, and that's 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: one of the scariest things. And whether it's going to 33 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: affect like your health, your family's health, your staff's health. 34 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's a lot to deal with that. 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: All you can do is try and figure it out 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: as we go, and I think that's what everyone's doing, 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: just to keep. 38 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: It a little bit lighter. 39 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: I know, for one, I'm running out of Netflix suggestions, 40 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: and as a self invested pop culture at it, can 41 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: you share with us what you've been watching. 42 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: Well, I think for me, it's like going back to 43 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: the old comforts, So just those old faves you know 44 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: that I know that I'm gonna love. So it's like 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: Gray's Anatomy, Friends, the West Wing and that type stuff. 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: But I have been watching that new Netflix true crime 47 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: doco series called Tiger King have you heard of that? 48 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I've watched some of it. It's so weird, isn't it. 49 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt like what was going on in the 50 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: world here was crazy, but this is the next level. 51 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: It's about like this crazy zoo owner that basically just 52 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: has tigers everywhere in America in his home. It's like 53 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: there's like murder mystery, like a whole bunch of stuff. 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: It's crazy. I'm not to the end of it yet, 55 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: but I'm hearing a lot of people saying that it's 56 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: really good so so far what I've watched I would recommend, 57 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: but also finding myself trying to do like more productive things. 58 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: I find that when I sit down and I binge 59 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: watch things for long periods of days on end, it 60 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: kind of makes me a little flat. And so I'm 61 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: trying to avoid too much mindless watching like of TV 62 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: because otherwise I just feel like it doesn't be in 63 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: the greatest head. So I'm doing more productive things like 64 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: podcasts where I'm learning something, or like books and things 65 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: like that. 66 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: Are there any podcasts you'd recommend that people should be 67 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: listening to besides of course Spinn and Co's podcast. 68 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: Well, Brene Brown has just launched her podcast, and she's 69 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: done I think three episodes so far and she's recorded 70 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: them all like right in the middle of what we're 71 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: all dealing with. And Bretne Brown is just amazing at 72 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: what she does for speaking about things to do with 73 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: mental health. So I think that's a really productive podcast 74 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: to listen to. And I also really like the Skinny 75 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: Confidential him and her podcast, and I just think they 76 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: have great guests on about a bunch of things. It 77 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: could be like about sex, or it could be about 78 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: something spiritual, or it could be about health, it could 79 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: be about makeup. They just have a wide range of 80 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: topics and I find it really educational. 81 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: Have you listened to allta Ab Chatfield's new podcast it's 82 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: called It's a Lot. 83 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: No, I haven't gotten to it. I have subscribed to them. 84 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: I've got such a long list of things to get 85 00:03:58,600 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: through at the moment, I. 86 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 3: Have to say. 87 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: I listened to a few episodes, and it is a lot. 88 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: It is. 89 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: It is sort of really it's. 90 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: So I love it. I will listen to it, but wow, 91 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: they really go there with some of their love and 92 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: relationship questions, to the point where I walked outside listening 93 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: to it and I had to mute it because they 94 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: started talking about I don't know, there's size and shape 95 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: of men's appendages, and I was like, oh my god, 96 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: I feel like this is too much to be publicly listening. 97 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: To check it. 98 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: Out, Yeah, definitely, I would recommend it. I was going 99 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: to say, working at Spin and Co. There's you know, 100 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: there's been so much talk about toilet paper thefts. On 101 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: a lighter note, have you guys had any of your 102 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: staff trying to take toilet paper or have you been 103 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 2: tempted to take any toilet paper? 104 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: No, we haven't. We did have about a week and 105 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: a half ago an issue because obviously we're going through 106 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: more toilet paper than you would in your home with stuff, 107 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: so we had to like go to all the different 108 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: wholesales and we had to actually they had jacked the 109 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: price up so bad. I was like, Wow, we've just 110 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: spent hundreds of on a few rolls of toilet paper. 111 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: That's like crazy. And I did say to the stuff like, 112 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: we know how many there are don't do anything crazy, 113 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: But now we're all working from home, so they're left 114 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: to their own devices with their toilet. 115 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: Paper, and so how are your staff going at home? 116 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: I know I watch a lot of your Insta stories 117 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: and I've seen the group's skype chats. 118 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 3: How is that going? 119 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: I think that, to be honest, I've always been like 120 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: a really I guess I'm a micromanager, which sometimes has 121 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: its good things and bad things, but it's I've always 122 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: been like quite a hands on boss, and I think 123 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: I have a pretty great relationship with my team, So 124 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: I've always been able to stay like really close and 125 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: connected to them, so that even in saying that, I've 126 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: had to like really sit down and come up with 127 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: a plan of action and how I'm going to make 128 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: sure that all of them are engaged every day and 129 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: feeling like they're not in this alone. So I've done 130 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: a few things. So obviously we do the daily Zoom 131 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: meeting and that's just like a major thing I think 132 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: most companies are doing at the moment. But we also 133 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: have like a group chat on Facebook Messenger that we 134 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: message throughout the day, and I kind of get everyone 135 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: to take photos of their lunch and I'd like for 136 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: lunch today, or like I'll say, screenshot the music that 137 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: you're listening to. And it's just like little things to 138 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: get people going. And actually one of our stuff. I'm 139 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: not sure if everyone's cottoned on yet, but one of 140 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: the guys in our team has been like finding crazy 141 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: meals online and posting those photos and saying he's eating them. 142 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: So the other day, who's saying that he was eating 143 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: mac and cheese with ntella and he was like it's 144 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: so good. Everyone was like, oh my god, I have 145 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: to try it, but you're just googlings. So yeah. So 146 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: it's like little things like that. And then I also 147 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: do like afternoon Trivia challenge through Zoom, so it's like 148 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: ten minutes where everyone pops on. I just ask them 149 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: some sort of pop culture trivia or I might say 150 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: to them like, you know, the first person who can 151 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: get to the screen with a toothbrush, or like little 152 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: challenges like that. It's like silly, but it makes them 153 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: feel like it's a little break up during the day, 154 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: and it makes them feel like a bit more connected. 155 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: Have you seen all the videos going viral of people 156 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: having their massive fails on Zoom? I think there was 157 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: a lady who didn't realize she was on camera going 158 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: to the toilet. 159 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but what kind of staff ever records that and 160 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: then like puts it online as well, that's horrible, that 161 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: poor woman. 162 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: Well do you have any advice to people who might 163 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: not have used Skype or Zoom? I mean, obviously don't 164 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: go to the toilet while you're on there, but is 165 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: there sort of any etiquette tips you could provide. 166 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: I think that lighting is a major thing that I'm finding. 167 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: So when I'm looking at all of my staff on there, 168 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: it's like this real big blackout. And that's like my 169 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: mom and my dad because they work from us, the 170 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: one's not observing it where it's like the young people 171 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: are like looking for the perfect lighting. And even though 172 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: it seems silly, it is actually important because I can't 173 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: see when my mom is talking because it's so dark, 174 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: and so she's like obviously got the sun behind her, 175 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: like so she's the windows behind her, and it's like 176 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: makes it very dark where is Everybody else is looking 177 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: into the sun, so it means the light's lighting their area. 178 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: So I think lighting is a big thing. And then 179 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: also like Google stuff, if you don't understand things, Google 180 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: is there. That's why I say to all of my stuff, 181 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: like how do I do this in Excel? Or how 182 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: do I do this in Zoom? And I'm like Google it. 183 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: The Google's available to everyone can use that. 184 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: I'm just impressed that your parents have it, Like you know, 185 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: when parents have it like zoomed up on their nostrils 186 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: or something. It's impressive that they've actually, I mean, they've 187 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: got to get there. Well. No, no, our dad just 188 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: if we ever skype him, he just pretends Skype's frozen 189 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: all the time. He still finds it funny. 190 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, my parents are pretty good. They have. Given 191 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: that they work for us, they kind of have to 192 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: be good with like emails and stuff like that. But 193 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: we just had We just showed them the one time 194 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: and then they kind of got the hang of it. 195 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: So good. 196 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: Well, you work really closely with influencers, and there's been 197 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: a lot of talk about how they're going to be 198 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: affected by COVID nineteen. What do you well, how do 199 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: you think the industry will change. 200 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: It's obviously hard to tell because it's early days, but 201 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: I think we already have seen a big shift in 202 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: the way that people are using their platforms, and I 203 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: would say the biggest shift would be on Instagram. So 204 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be pretty interesting. So I think 205 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: it's going to depend on the style of influencer. You 206 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: are obviously travel bloggers, people that review restaurants, those kinds 207 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: of people who are going to have a hard time. 208 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: There's not a huge it's not easy to shift from like, hey, 209 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm a travel blogger's like here, I'm at home now, 210 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: you know. Or if you don't have any of your 211 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: own cooking skills and you're usually reviewing other people's food, 212 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: then it's hard to pivot. But I think that, you know, 213 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: people that do beauty, fashion, fitness pages are seeing a real, 214 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: really big surge of being able to do more things 215 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: at home because there's more eyeballs on their Instagram at 216 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: the moment, and there's an opportunity to utilize Insta Story Live, 217 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: which is our Instagram Live, which we haven't I haven't 218 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: ever seen this many lives in my whole life on 219 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: Instagram and so, and there's a lot more Insta Story content. 220 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a great way for influencers to really 221 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: build on their community at the moment and make the 222 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: most of kind of what's happening and figure out how 223 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: they can engage in new ways. And people are gonna 224 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: have to think outside the box, you know what I mean, 225 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: Like you can't keep posting throwback photos, you know what 226 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I don't want to keep seeing someone 227 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: like when I was in Bali every day. 228 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a little bit time, Jeff, isn't it. 229 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So people are going to have to get 230 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: more creative and figure out how to be more authentic 231 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: with what they're doing. And I think we're going to 232 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: see less polish, I guess, and a bit more authenticity. So, 233 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, for a travel blogger he usually posts these 234 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: perfectly curated photos, or even a fashion blogger who has 235 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: these perfectly styled photos, you might not be able to 236 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: do that from your own home anymore. So we might 237 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: see a little bit more authentic content coming through. But 238 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: I did sort of read an article online from there 239 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: was a comment from Tarren Williams, who she works for 240 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: or she owns like a I guess, an influencer branding 241 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: kind of agency. It's like a marketplace where people can 242 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: directly communicate with influencers, and she was saying that she's 243 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: sort of seeing a big shift with increase in brands 244 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: wanting to work with fashion bloggers, beauty influencers, all that 245 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, because they're at home and they're online stores. 246 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: They're trying to people online shopping at the moment, so 247 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see. But I think 248 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: the people that are able to grow and really build 249 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: their community right now and like work really hard on it. 250 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: If you have the time, now is the time to 251 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: really invest in your Instagram, then I think some people 252 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: will see some really good results in it when we 253 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: come out of this. 254 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: Exactly. 255 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: There's never you know, when you're watching a vlog and 256 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: an influencers like, oh sorry, I left my camera at 257 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: home and I didn't actually capture any of my day. 258 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: There's like no excuses. 259 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: Now, yeah there is, But I also think people have 260 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: to be so careful as well with what they're doing, 261 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: and like I'm trying to I'm not an influencer by 262 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: any stretch that means, but I do share my life 263 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: online and like even the other day, there was an 264 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: fluencer who was doing like a styling thing, and so 265 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: she was like every day a new styling outfit, and 266 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: she was trying to get people to like challenge people 267 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: to do it, and she was tagging people saying like 268 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: I'd love to see your style. I'd love to see 269 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: what you're doing. Here's day one challenge wearing a blazer 270 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: day two, double dinner or whatever. And then she was like, 271 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: use the hashtag Corona chic. Oh, And I just messaged 272 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: her and was like, look, I'm thanks for tagging me, 273 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: but I really feel like i'd feel shit if I 274 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: didn't say that hash is a very bad idea. And 275 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't know. I'm like, should I 276 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: say anything, like it would be one of those people. 277 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: But also it's like that is a very poor decision. 278 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: So I was like, look, I just think you should 279 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: be careful. That's a bit insensitive about it. People are dying. 280 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't think you want to make that chic, you know, 281 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: think of like your son was like, aid, shee, you 282 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like cancer. She No, that's wrong. 283 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: You shouldn't be doing that. 284 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: And plus we're all wearing pajamas at home anyways. Yeah, 285 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: to be honest, I. 286 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: Was like, also, I'm not getting dressed every day. 287 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: That was one thing I was hating about the Zoom 288 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 2: meetings at work because I'm like, i feel like I've 289 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: got to, you know, get ready where I mean, But 290 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: then you do feel better once you have sort of 291 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: gotten out of the pajamas. 292 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 3: I mean, moved into active wear, but it's still a 293 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: still a step in the right track. 294 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Every day is active wear, but I definitely get out 295 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: of my pajamas every day. But yeah, she changed the 296 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: hashtag getting more all the stories that was good. 297 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: Did she changed it too so we can look it up? 298 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: Is it? I can't even remember what it was. It 299 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: was just like every day sheep, very very general. 300 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: Then we're talking about influencers. I've noticed a few who 301 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: have been posting I'm assuming sponsored content of them wearing 302 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: specific branded face masks. What's your take. Do you think 303 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: that's a clever move or do you think it's It 304 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: sort of fits in the same category as the Corona 305 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: chic hashtag. 306 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: Do you mean like the like the medical kind of masks. 307 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: Well, I've seen I think it's culture. Kings have released 308 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: some face masks and I've seen a few influencers donning them, 309 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: and to be honest, I mean, they look better than 310 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: the surgical mask. But I don't I don't know how 311 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: I feel about it. Do you think that it's sort 312 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: of okay to be I suppose profiting or. 313 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: Taking selfies, I suppose making light of it. 314 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I mean I think it's like at the moment, 315 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: it's a really hard mix. We can't deny that businesses 316 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: are going to have to capitalize in some way in 317 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: what's happening to stay afloat, you know. And if people 318 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: can make a mask more shiki geky or whatever and 319 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: people want to buy it, then you know, more power 320 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: to them. It definitely is a fine line. Like I 321 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: think a hashtag is definitely not the right direction. But 322 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: my issue with those mass is like, are they actually 323 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: doing anything? 324 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I suppose at least they're stopping the 325 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: strain on people, you know, using the medical ones, but yeah, 326 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't really seem like they do much from what 327 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: I've googled anyway. 328 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I think as well. It's like, I 329 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: actually don't think there's And then do you see people 330 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: wearing them but just over their mouth and not over 331 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: their nose? Really not doing anything. 332 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: I kind of want. When I was looking at I 333 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: love Michael Jacks, and I must say, and I know 334 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: he was wearing the masks way back in the day, 335 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: and if you google it some of the masks he 336 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: was wearing. I was like, people should get onto that, 337 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: you know, there should Yeah, I'm sure they will in 338 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: six months time we might all be wearing them regardless 339 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: of if the coronavirus is around. 340 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I was just thinking the other day I 341 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: wonder what's going to happen with fashion, Like are we 342 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: just pausing and will the trends remain the same or 343 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: we're going to get a whole new trend, Like what's 344 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: going to how are we going to come out in 345 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: a totally different season? Do you know what I mean? 346 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Like are we going to go in and autumn and 347 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: come out in you know spring? Who letty knows what's 348 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: going to happen. 349 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: It's interesting, I know, and it's so bad because I 350 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: keep getting emails with all the sales and I'm so tempted, 351 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: but I'm like, oh, I don't know if it's the 352 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: right time to. 353 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: Cloth. That's why I'm like, I'll have no where to 354 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: wear it, and will it still be like trendy when 355 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to wear it? I don't know. I'm trying 356 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: to like hold back, But then I'm also mindful that, 357 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: like I want people to spend with my businesses, so 358 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: I want to be supporting people as well. So it 359 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: definitely is a fine mix because you want to save 360 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: your money in case anything happens, and then also you 361 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: want to be supporting people, so it is difficult exactly. 362 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: Well, one thing I've been loving particularly, and you've touched 363 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: on a few of the tips already, but is the 364 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: tips you've been sharing at home to be productive. Now 365 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: we've spoken about getting out of your pajamas and the 366 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: zoom meetings, but are there any other things you can 367 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: share with us that help you get productive and motivated 368 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: when you're working from home. 369 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it's a lot about sort of 370 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: setting yourself up for success. Working from home is really difficult. 371 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: You know. Even I'm pretty good at sticking to my work, 372 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: and I work from home regularly at night on weekends. 373 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: Being a business owner, that's pretty like it comes pretty 374 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: naturally to me. But even me sitting there for eight 375 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: hours every single day, all alone, I'm single, so I 376 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: do literally live alone. It's really hard. And if you 377 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: just think you can just turn your laptop on in 378 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: the morning and sit on the couch and you're going 379 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: to do that day in and day out for eight hours, 380 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: you're just setting yourself off of failure. So I think 381 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: there are definitely things that you can do for me 382 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: It's about getting a routine, getting a schedule. So I 383 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: make sure that I wake up at the same time 384 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: every day, and then whether it's like then I make 385 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: my breakfast or then I work out or whatever it is, 386 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: it's about having those all things that you would normally 387 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: do get having a shower, getting changed into even if 388 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: we said activewear or like you know, tracks, trackies, whatever 389 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: it is. Having a designated workspace is really important, I think, 390 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: because I think it's going to be an issue with 391 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: people not knowing when to turn off work life and 392 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: turn on you know, like you personal life, I guess, 393 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: or certain life it's not really social, and then it's 394 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: going to be the flip side. You know, if you 395 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: start the morning watching a favorite Netflix show, at what 396 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: point does that stop and then you actually are productive 397 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: with work, you know. So we're going to find that 398 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: is an issue. So that's why I always try to 399 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: be like, well, I'm at my desk by eight point 400 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: thirty every single morning, ready for the day, and I 401 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: only get up to like go to the bathroom, walk 402 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: her outside if I want some fresh air on my 403 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: balcony or to make my lunch, and then I sit 404 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: back down, like don't sit on the couch because I 405 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: know if I sit there and I turn that TV on, 406 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: I'll be there the rest of the day. So it's 407 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: about kind of like setting yourself up for that, and 408 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: then you know, opening the windows and stuff like that. 409 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: I find really helps letting the light in, not working 410 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: from your bed, all those kinds of little things. I'm 411 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: just I brought as many things from my office that 412 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: I could that I always have on my desk so 413 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: that what I'm looking at is a similar thing to 414 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: what I'm always looking at. So I have like these 415 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: little cubes that I have on my desk, and I 416 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: have my pen holder and all those little things that 417 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: I normally have. I tried to put on my like 418 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: dining table at home. 419 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: Love your little flip cards and your motivational quotes, Like 420 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: I always see them in the morning and I'm like, oh, 421 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 2: that's so cool, Like I think it's great that you 422 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: keep doing that. And I just sort of sponge off 423 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: the quotes that you keep putting up. 424 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, that's a great one for the day. 425 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, how like timely some of them. Bar 426 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: It's like I'm like, wow, that's really poignant today. 427 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. 428 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: Sorry I sound like some sort of weird stalker, but 429 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: I did see the one this morning and I'm like, 430 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: that's a really really poignant today. 431 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's crazy, isn't it. Yeah. I really 432 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: enjoy that, and a lot of like my followers are 433 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: always like, oh my god, I love these quotes, please 434 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: keep doing it, So I was. I like doing it 435 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: so I may all share. It doesn't really hurt anythings, 436 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: so that's why I keep doing it. But it is 437 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: that routine every single day, that ritual that I always do, 438 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: and that's how I kick my day off every day. 439 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: So I think it's important to get into a routine 440 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: to kind of get your head in the right space. 441 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: Now, we had your brother Sam on the show probably 442 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: a few months ago now, and he is, of course 443 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 2: fabulous and we love chatting with him. How do you 444 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: think you would go if you two were in lockdown 445 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: just with each other. 446 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: Well, we used to live together like a year and 447 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: a half ago, so when we basically I lived with 448 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: my boyfriend years and news and years ago, so I 449 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: moved out of home and then when I was deciding 450 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: to start a business with Sam, I moved back in 451 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: home to home so I could just crazily save and 452 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: then when I was done and we were ready to 453 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: kick off Spin and Co. I then moved out with 454 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: Sam and one of his best friends. So I've lived 455 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: with him, like actually just him and his friend for 456 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: like I guess, four four and a half years, only 457 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: a year ago, so it wasn't you know, I have 458 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: done it. But Sam is a very sort of not reclusive, 459 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: but like on his own, we had very separate lives, 460 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: so we barely ever saw each other at the house, 461 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: but he did live in a large house. If we 462 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: lived in a very small place on top of each other, 463 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: I think he would kill me. I'm pretty him, but 464 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: I think he'd probably kill me, So I don't think 465 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: that would work out very well. But yeah, usually we 466 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: have pretty separate lives. Even at work, I handle very 467 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: different stuff to what he handles, so we don't cross 468 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: paths very often. I'm actually seeing more of him now 469 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: every day on Zoom than I normally do at the office. 470 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: I think that's cool because my sister, she's not in 471 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 2: this interview. Kate's obviously my sister, but I run a 472 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: business with my sister, and that's what we find troublesome 473 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: sometimes working out who is the boss. So we've recently 474 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: just given each other different titles and roles and and 475 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. Is that something you would advise 476 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: to other people who might be running a business with 477 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: their family. 478 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, for me, there's always going to be that 479 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: power struggle and Sam's always going to win that. That's 480 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: his personality. He's always going to be the boss and 481 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: he wants it that way, and I'm fine with that, 482 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: and so I'm comfortable with because then I know, if 483 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: the shit hits a fan, it's like, well, okay, you 484 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: wanted to be the one that was ultimately in control, 485 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: and that's where he's most comfortable. And I was never 486 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: someone who wanted to start a business. If Sam hadn't 487 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: said let's do this, I would still just be a 488 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: manager or a high level management at a business. That's 489 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: kind of what I wanted to always wanted to be 490 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: sort of in leadership and helping lead people that I 491 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: never wanted to go out on my own. So it 492 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: was his idea to do this, and we sort of 493 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: utilize my skills in managing staff and his skills in 494 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: networking and being able to you know, bring in new 495 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: business and all that kind of stuff, and then we 496 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: combine like our creative ideas and all of that and 497 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: are hard work, and so I guess it's a little 498 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: bit different because that's how we kind of set it up, 499 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: that he'd be like the headhon show, and that I'd 500 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: be the person behind the scenes kind of wrangling everything, 501 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: and that works best for us. I mean, not gonna lie. Obviously, 502 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: we still by the head. Sometimes he has these crazy 503 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: ideas and he's a risk taker and I am not. 504 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: But ultimately his risk taking skills is what's made this 505 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: business so successful. And it's his you know, networking skills 506 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: that has you know, have built our company. So I 507 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: have to trust his decisions and he backs himself one 508 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: hundred percent. So that's kind of how we do it. 509 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: I think if you get into a power struggle of 510 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: like no I'm in charge or in charge and you 511 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: don't figure out where each of your places are, that's 512 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: just going to be a toxic environment. 513 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: That's some great advice. You guys also run James Cosmetics together, 514 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 2: and you have some amazing self care products. Are there 515 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: any ones you'd recommend for people who are looking for 516 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: a bit of self care Iso day. 517 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean, their iemasks are probably my favorite product that 518 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: they have, and that's sort of their the James Cosmetics 519 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: iconic thing. There's something like ten different ie maasks for 520 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: all different things from like depuffing too dark circles to 521 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, fine lines, all that kind of thing. An 522 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: I mask is one it makes you feel like you're 523 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: doing something hydrating. It's nice and pampering and you can 524 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: multitask with it, which is what I love. And that's 525 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: why I love podcasts because I can clean, I can cook, 526 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: I can exercise whilst I'm also learning something. So if 527 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: I can also like do something good for my skin 528 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: whilst I'm cleaning, cooking, working out or sitting watching TV 529 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: and pampering, then that's that's the kind of product for me. 530 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, I recommend their iemasks. 531 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 2: They're sab One of the other things other than I've 532 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: noticed you've been dotting the iemask a little bit. But 533 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: one other thing that stands out on your Instagram is 534 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: the fact that you've been really authentic and it's a 535 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: really I find it a really positive place to go. 536 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: I saw you last night, I think was wrangling with you, know, 537 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: how do you be positive in this time, But can 538 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: you talk us through how you do remain positive to 539 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: your audience and why that's important. 540 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: I think thank you for saying that. I appreciate it. 541 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: I think for me, I was never you know, like 542 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: if you looked at my Instagram in October, I was 543 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: sharing maybe what I ate at a restaurant, like here's 544 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: a photo with my food, and that was pretty much 545 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: all I was sharing. And then in December I was 546 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: diagnosed with stage four melanoma, which has now been rediagnosed 547 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: as stage three B. So that kind of I had, 548 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, a bit of a world when finding out 549 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: that I'm thirty three years old with quite a serious, 550 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, disease, and I felt really out of control 551 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: in like I couldn't control what was happening to my body, 552 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 1: and so what I wanted to do was sort of 553 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: help people control themselves. So I was like, wear sun cream, 554 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, go get skin checks. And I really wanted 555 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: to be like an advocate for skin can sorry, I guess, 556 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: to try to really raise awareness for this issue that 557 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: I think is very serious and it's you know, the 558 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: number one cancer for people age fifteen to thirty nine, 559 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: and we don't really know a lot about it, other 560 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: than just wik on some suncream when you're at the pool. 561 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: That's kind of all it is. But we you know, 562 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: the reality is I likely got my first skin cancer. 563 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: It's my right shoulder blade, which is exactly where the 564 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: sun hits me when I drive in my car every day. 565 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: You know, I have very fair skin. I never went 566 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: outside and got some burn. I always lather it up, 567 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: but I wasn't lathering up when I was driving to work, 568 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: when I was walking to get coffee, those kinds of things. 569 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: So it's kind of born out of me doing that. 570 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: And I talk a lot about my cancer treatment, and 571 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: then I went through fertility because my cancer treatment could 572 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: affect my fertility, so I had to harvest my eggs. 573 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: It was like all of that, and I just said 574 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: to myself, like, if I'm going to show some of it, 575 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to show it all. So I've been on 576 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: my Instant story crying because you know, I'm having a 577 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: bad day. But then I'm also there being like, well, 578 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm working my full hours today and here's what I 579 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: do at work. And I have cancer, but I'm still 580 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: living with it and I'm working and doing all of 581 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: these things and then you know, I was I've always 582 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: been kind of like pragmatic, I guess. So it's not 583 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: like the glass is half m fior, it's half full. 584 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: It's like there's water in the glass, you know. It 585 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: was just like it is what it is, and that's 586 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: like good sometimes. But in this kind of position where 587 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: it's easy to be like, Okay, well you know this 588 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: could be bad, it could be good, like we just 589 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: got to get through it, I thought a bit of 590 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: positivity could work. I watched a documentary called Heel on Netflix, 591 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: which is really interesting about the power of the mind 592 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: over the body, and so I just thought, look, you know, 593 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: if that's bullshit or it's not, I may as well 594 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: do it. Like if I can try and like be 595 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: more positive, and that could potentially help the position that 596 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm in, Like why not. Thankfully I'm not susceptible to 597 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: mental health issues, so that's a blessing. However, like we 598 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: can all still do more work positive and so now 599 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: that I don't really want to be like, hey, guys 600 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: wear sun cream every day when everyone's sitting at home, 601 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: I don't want to be talking about cancer right now. 602 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: So I've thought, okay, well, maybe I need to share 603 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: other things that I'm doing to try to get myself 604 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: in a good mental place and be really positive about it, 605 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of influencers right now, which rightly 606 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: so are talking about like stay inside. This is going 607 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: to be really bad, you know, like don't go near people, 608 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: and like, you know, we do need that awareness that 609 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: people need to understand right now, it's important that we're 610 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: not fucking around with this, like we have to stay 611 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: inside and isolate and do our best. There are still 612 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: people going out shopping and having a good time having 613 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: parties at home, and we need to do like normal shopping, sure, 614 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: but you don't need to go with your friends. I 615 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: saw like a group of like seventeen year old people 616 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: the other day or like doing a group shopping session together, 617 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: just like seven or eight of them, and I was like, 618 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: oh god, what are you doing. 619 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: It's so frustrating. 620 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like for me, it's a well, you know, 621 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: like we all know someone that's in that high risk category. 622 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: But for me, it's like, although my immunity isn't compromised 623 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: with my immunotherapy my cancer treatment, if I get this, 624 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: I have to go into quarantine. And that means I 625 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: can't get my fortnightly treatment because I'm in quarantine, and 626 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: I can't not be getting my cancer treatment, you know. 627 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: So it's really important to me as well that like 628 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: people are careful with this. So I wanted to then 629 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, well I want to be really positive 630 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: because a lot of places are really negative. But then 631 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: also like everyone wants to hear about all the business 632 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: techniques I have. But then I feel really insensitive because 633 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: it's like people have lost their jobs and then I'm 634 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: every day being like here's my schedule, here's all the 635 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: work I'm doing. So it's really hard. I don't really know. 636 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: So last night I was just kind of asking my followers, 637 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: like what do you want from my page? Like I'm 638 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: not going to do anything that's not natural to me. 639 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: It's obviously got to be authentic that do you want 640 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: to hear that? Like today I did Wait, I don't 641 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: really know what I'm doing with waits. I could only 642 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: do fifteen minutes because I'm not very strong and I'm 643 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: really unfit. Do you want to hear that? Or do 644 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: you just want the little fast forwarded video of me 645 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: doing my workout and pretending like it was thirty minutes 646 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: and I did it so easily. I don't know. So 647 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: I was kind of just asking what people want. Overwhelming 648 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: the responses. Don't overthink it and just do whatever you're 649 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: doing and just share that with us. But yeah, I'm 650 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: just trying to make sure that I'm being sensitive to 651 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: the fact that people are going through a hard time. 652 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: But I think people just want honesty and people feel 653 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: better with positivity, but then they also feel less alone 654 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: when you're honest and you say, like, I'm scared to. 655 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: Well talking about you obviously mentioned your battle with cancer. 656 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: Do you think that. I mean, I've seen a few 657 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: campaigns trying to tell I suppose really young women about 658 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: the dangers of sun tanning. Do you think people are 659 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: actually getting it? Because I see it? 660 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's frustrating, Yeah, I mean it's I mean, Mecca 661 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: has done a great job with call Time and Melanoma 662 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: to really raise awareness. I think they call it Generation 663 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: SBF and so, but that was just a little campaign. 664 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: It's it's not just you know, that's just around summer, 665 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: but the sun in Australia is all the time. You 666 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: can still get cancer and winter. But yeah, I think 667 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: that for me, it's the glamorization of tanning online. You know, 668 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: like if an influencer was on an Insta story right 669 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: now smoking regularly, people would come for them and they 670 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: would say, like that's irresponsible. But someone being like going 671 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: out to get some rays or like working on my 672 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: tan or whatever, no one's saying anything to them, and 673 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: that's just as damaging as smoking. And I think that 674 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: people don't fully realize the impact that they have. And 675 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: it's like, well, I'm not telling people to tan. It's like, no, 676 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: you're not that you're also not really being responsible with 677 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: your platform. So I would love to see influencers that 678 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: have a big platform, especially you know, people that have 679 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: a big following. Often that following is usually quite young, 680 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, and it's in those younger teen years, you know, 681 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: or you know, any teen years where you're really forming 682 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: your patterns and routines and what you think is good 683 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: for your body that they really need to understand that, 684 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: like it's not just about looking skinnier because your tanned, 685 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, like that could kill you. And so I 686 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: don't think that there's enough out there and even for 687 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, like for instance, my second my bad cancer. 688 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: I guess my first one was a melanoma on my 689 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: shoulder blade. That was a mole, and that was three 690 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: years ago, and this time it was a lump. Nobody 691 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: told me to look for lumps. I didn't know. Yeah, 692 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: I know breast cancers lumps. Yeah, I didn't know melanoma 693 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: was a lump. You know, there's just so many things like, well, 694 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: I had a very serious melanoma three years ago, Why 695 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: didn't someone tell me it was a lump that I'm 696 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: looking for as well as a suspicious mole. You know, 697 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: there's just so many things that we don't know. And 698 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: people don't go get regular skin checks and they just 699 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: think if they put a bit of suncream on while 700 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: they're having them a heater by the fool, than they're fine, 701 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: or like, you know, I'm tenned ready, so I don't burn, 702 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: so that means I'm safe. 703 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: I feel like there should be I feel like there 704 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: should be some campaigns aimed at men as well, because 705 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: I feel like, oh, yeah, men just go, oh, it 706 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: doesn't matter, I'm fine. And I mean I don't think 707 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: our dad's ever worn sun cream before. I mean he 708 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: smokes like fifty cigarettes a day as well. So it's 709 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 2: that one thing at a time. 710 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's definitely true. Girls 711 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: more often will wear suncream because it helps with anti aging, 712 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: but men don't really often give a shit about their 713 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: anti aging issues. So so my dad has had You 714 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: should see his back. There's scars everywhere and he plays 715 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: golf all the time. And like, Dad, you're sunburd Did 716 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: you wear suncream today? Oh? Yeah, I forgot. What do 717 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: you mean you forgot? You get melanoma and you're outside 718 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: like it's crazy. People just don't take it seriously. And 719 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: even I didn't, like, you know, I got that melanoma 720 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: on my shoulder and it was fairly straightforward. It was. 721 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: It was bad, but they cut it out. They got 722 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: good margins, they took a lymph node and they were like, yep, 723 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: you just got to get checked regularly now, but you're okay. 724 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: And I was still, you know, wearing sun cream and 725 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: stuff when I knew I was going to be out 726 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: in the sun for long periods. But there I could 727 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: have definitely been more careful, you know, And it's just 728 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: like you don't. You don't think about it till it's like, hey, 729 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: this actually could kill you now because you weren't careful enough. 730 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: That you're like, oh shit, like what was I thinking? 731 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: You know, like, it's not like I was trying to 732 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: get a tan. I was just being lazy, well a 733 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: lot of it. 734 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: So I think that's I think that's great advice because yeah, 735 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 2: you just don't think about it when you're in the car, 736 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I'm fine. I was going to ask you. 737 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: A lot of the campaigns have been around promoting fake tan, 738 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: and I know Kate and I have debated it before 739 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 2: whether we should just be promoting, you know, a paler 740 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: skin instead of just the skin you're in. Yeah, just 741 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: the skin you're in, not particularly glamorizing the fact that 742 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 2: you have to be tan. Do you would you prefer 743 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 2: to see a campaign around you know, you just love 744 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: the skin you're in, rather than oh, here, lather yourself 745 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 2: up in this fake tan product. 746 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I think i've you know, Shameless have 747 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: debated this before as well, where they talked about it. 748 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, everybody type is fine, 749 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: every skin type is fine. It's that that kind of idea. 750 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: But I think that it's a pretty big uphill battle 751 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: with tanning, especially in Australia. Your skin, you know, it's like, oh, 752 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: you've got that healthy glow. You know. Even when I 753 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: fake tan, I get like, oh my god, something's different. 754 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: You look great. What is it? And it's like it's 755 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: fake tan, you know. Like I think, I think that 756 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: we've got an uphill battle. If we can get them 757 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: wrong doing fake tan first and then we are loving 758 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: the skin we're in later, then you know, that's what 759 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: we have to do. It's going to be baby steps. 760 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: I think. I would love to say that, like, you know, 761 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: pale skin, dark skin, tan skin, whatever, olive skin, whatever 762 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: you have is great. And obviously I think that because 763 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: I wear fake tan, probably wants to. But I don't 764 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: think it's realistic to think that we're going to change 765 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: everyone's mindset on you know, tan skin being like healthier looking, 766 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: prettier looking, whatever makes you look thinner, whatever people think. 767 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: So I think like, if that's what we've got to 768 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: do to get them out of the sun, then let's 769 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: do that first and then we can work on love 770 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: the skin, your room, whatever is working. I guess baby steps, 771 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: I think is probably the easiest direction. 772 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 2: Well, with all this quarantine, maybe it might go back 773 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: to you know, olden days where it was you know, 774 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 2: the people outside having to work, they're getting the tan, 775 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 2: and us people who have the luxury working from home 776 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: a pale. Maybe it's all my and you can't be 777 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 2: bothered to do your tan in this time? Who's tanning 778 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: self quarantine? 779 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I definitely, like I just take the 780 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: feeling of like the waiting for it to dry on 781 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: your skin. I just hate it, so I can't do it. 782 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think maybe that would be great if 783 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: that sort of vampire skin would when we came out of. 784 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: It, well just to leave it on. I suppose a 785 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 2: positive note, I would like to know if we go 786 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 2: into lockdown and like full lockdown, what are you stocking 787 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 2: up your cupboards with? 788 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: Like do you mean like food? 789 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, sorry food wise. 790 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean like I am certainly not somebody to come 791 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: to for health advice like food wise, and I'm a 792 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: terrible wouldn't I'm a terrible cook. I just hate it, 793 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: so I barely ever do it. But for me, like, 794 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm big on protein, so I'll probably have like lots 795 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: of chicken breast and things like that mint steaks. That's 796 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that I'll then have with like 797 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: veggies and potato and gravy. Don't forget like the things 798 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,959 Speaker 1: that make your meal pleasant. But I think like those 799 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: seasonings that you'll get to the end of this, you'd 800 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I have no onion powder or I 801 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: have no gravy powder. It's all those little things. So 802 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: it's like, wow, this is really bland. I wish I 803 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: had remembered to get the grave box. It's that kind 804 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: of stuff that I think I'm gonna really have to 805 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: sit down and be like, what are the essentials to 806 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: make my meal feel like normal? I think that's what 807 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: I'll be doing, but I mean, yeah, I guess pastors 808 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: rices those kinds of things. I'm trying to not think 809 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: about stocking up on canned goods, Like who wants to 810 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: live off baked beans? 811 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's literally what my boyfriend went out 812 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 2: and bought this slab of baked beans. I was like, 813 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 2: we're holding baked beans. Where those people I'm not gonna 814 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 2: eat this. 815 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: I just don't understand, because it's like it's when you 816 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: think of like a crisis like the apocalypse and stuff, 817 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: it's people stuck up on tin goods. It's because there's 818 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: no electricity, but like we still have electricity so you 819 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: can still freeze your midt. So what are getting canned goods? 820 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: So I don't understand that. 821 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining us. We really 822 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 2: appreciate you taking time out of your busy day and 823 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 2: just thank you for being such a positive light and 824 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 2: so inspiring and bringing really great messages to the public. 825 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 2: We've really appreciated your time today, so thank you. 826 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on. Guys. 827 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 3: Thank you. 828 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 4: St Steps Public School, STAPUS St Steps Public Status Statute 829 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 4: stat