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Speaker 1: And Amanda gam Nation I put. I saw something the

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Speaker 1: other day that I put on my Instagram, and my

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Speaker 1: children and Digital Jenna saw it and thought, oh, mum's

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Speaker 1: in on the joke. This is funny. I wasn't. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to out myself as an idiot. I saw a picture,

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Speaker 1: remember the Turkish guy at the Olympics who just casually

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Speaker 1: turned up, had his hand in his pocket, pretty much

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Speaker 1: put down a smoke. Bang got gold? Remember that?

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Speaker 2: So you just showed up.

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Speaker 1: It just showed up, whatevers, I'll get gold. I saw

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Speaker 1: that with above it it says this was five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Feel old? Yet I posted that and I put underneath it.

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Speaker 1: The news cycle moves fast. It sounds like because there's

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Speaker 1: a trope at the moment where it's like Will Smith

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Speaker 1: hits Chris Rock at the Oscars twenty seven years ago.

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Speaker 1: Today it's all a joke. The timelines. It's just a

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Speaker 1: joke about how our timelines are all weird. But I

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Speaker 1: fell for that. And even behind it's got Paris twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four in the picture. Yeah yeah, And I said

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Speaker 1: to you, I thought you were joking. No, I showed

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Speaker 1: you the pictures and I said, can you believe this

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Speaker 1: is five years ago. So it looks like I'm in

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Speaker 1: on this joke, this Instagram joke.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knowing you're a genius.

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Speaker 1: I'm a complete idiot. But it does show you how

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Speaker 1: quickly the news cycle does move that your perception of time.

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Speaker 1: And I think COVID had a lot to do with that.

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Speaker 1: That there's years that we've just lost and have sped

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Speaker 1: up and slowed down at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Something I completely forgot about during my holidays and I've

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Speaker 2: had a bit of a social medium. I just didn't

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Speaker 2: scroll through my phone as much. But one of the

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Speaker 2: things that popped up Ozzie Osborne dead at the age

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Speaker 2: of seventy six. This happened on my Instagram a week

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Speaker 2: ago and I looked at it, so you saw that

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Speaker 2: I saw it. I remember at the time googling is

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Speaker 2: Ossie still with us? That's terrible, and sure enough he was.

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Speaker 2: And it was only when Kelly Osborne, his daughter, put

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Speaker 2: out a post saying this, who does this? Who does this?

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Speaker 2: I'd say this that was a bot that put that out,

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Speaker 2: because now we've got a situation where bots are fighting

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Speaker 2: with bots and kids, the young kids Geny Rise Clan.

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Speaker 2: They put out these s posts, so they make up

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Speaker 2: stuff and they just put it up. There are classic

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Speaker 2: example this of Scott Morris and Ingodeen macis thing that

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Speaker 2: never happened. So the guy has come out and said

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Speaker 2: I was just taking the piss and everyone ran with it.

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Speaker 2: But now people firmly believe that that actually happened. It's

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Speaker 2: like the Steve Erwin effect. What's that people believe that

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Speaker 2: they've seen the video of Steve Irwin meeting his demise

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Speaker 2: with the stingray that doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know my friend Anita McGregor, wh's well.

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Speaker 2: It exists, but it hasn't been.

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Speaker 1: Seen it. We've never seen it. Anita McGregor, my friend,

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Speaker 1: who is a forensic psychologist. One of her colleagues does

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Speaker 1: a lot of work on memory and for when you're

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Speaker 1: in the witness box. A lot of research goes into

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Speaker 1: whether memories are real or not. And they did an

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Speaker 1: experiment years ago where they said to somebody, do you

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Speaker 1: remember when you went up in a hot air balloon?

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Speaker 1: I said, no, I never did that, and then they

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Speaker 1: show them a photo from a childhood from their childhood

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Speaker 1: where they've docted it in a shot of them in

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Speaker 1: a hot air balloon, and then later on they say

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Speaker 1: do you remember the thing? They go, yeah, I remember

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Speaker 1: that holiday with the hot air balloon. We're so open

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Speaker 1: to suggestion of the visual, but these days it is

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Speaker 1: so hard because AI has made those visuals so confusing.

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Speaker 1: We see stuff every day that isn't real and we

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Speaker 1: don't know it. I'm watching the movie j of K.

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Speaker 1: This was the Oliver Stone film. How many years ago

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Speaker 1: was that? Thirty years something like that, and they showed

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Speaker 1: some footage of an autopsy situation with him on the table,

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Speaker 1: And at the time Harley and I were talking about

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Speaker 1: this and saying, you can't tell if it's documentary footage

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Speaker 1: or if it's a movie footage, and how confusing it

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Speaker 1: is because once you see it, you think you've seen

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Speaker 1: the actuality. But these days we're seeing pictures where as

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Speaker 1: we said, yesterday Donald Trump is singing at the Oscars,

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Speaker 1: these we believe this stuff, that imagery he's put out

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Speaker 1: of Barack Obama being arrested. We see the images and

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Speaker 1: we think it's real, and we go some of go,

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Speaker 1: how can you fall for that? But as human beings,

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Speaker 1: how can we not?

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Speaker 2: This is the other thing with bots arguing with bots

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Speaker 2: on the Internet. So you put up a post, particularly

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Speaker 2: the Trump stuff. I've noticed there's bots arguing with bots,

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Speaker 2: and then humans get involved. But they've just got two

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Speaker 2: different opinions of these bots. But people join in on the.

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Speaker 1: They do because it's all about leaning. You're going to

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Speaker 1: lean in when you're anxious, when you're frightened, when you're scared.

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Speaker 1: So the bots are generating that fear and we lean in.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what you do.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's exhausting, isn't it exhaust Meanwhile, I look like

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Speaker 1: an idiot on Instagram, thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: And there was no way I involved.

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Speaker 1: Why I can't blame anyone