1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Get a. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 2: I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating failure because 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: I believe it's a chance for us to learn, grow 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: and face our blind spots. Each week, all interview a 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 2: different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Hello on the pod. 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: Today we have one of Australia's most trusted and loved 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: news anchors. That is Joe Hall nine News presenter. She 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: is a superwoman, She's got four kiddos, she has been 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: working in the industry for over forty years and she's 13 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: just such a go getter Mad Pies supporter too. In 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: this chat, you will here Joe's share so much of 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: her career, from covering really full on and heavy topics 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: to some of the more celebrated parts of her journey 17 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: as well. And Joe talks so beautifully about being a 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: vessel and being like a conduit that shares the news 19 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: with us the viewer. 20 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: So I hope you love it. I found it really 21 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: really inspiring. 22 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 2: Joe has been on my dream guest list for quite 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: a while, so Joe, thank you so much for jumping 24 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 2: on this pod. It was an absolute honor to have 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: you on and to you the listener. 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: I hope you love it. She is a wonderful human being. 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: Joe Haul, Welcome to the pod. Thank you so much 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: for having me. 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: You've been on my dream list for ages now, have 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: I Yeah, you are a quintessential part of the news. 31 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? For how long? 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 2: Now? 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: It's forty five years. This year was my math. I 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: wanted to just triple check that. 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: So was it nineteen seventy nine when you joined nine nine. 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: As a young cadet? Would have you been about twenty one? Yes? 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: I was two weeks shy of my twenty first birthday 38 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: And was it Mum and Dad that were like, go on. 39 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: I was working as a cadet for newspapers with Leader, 40 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: and I was so happy there because you know, you're 41 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: working in this little suburban newspaper and getting so much 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: guidance from the people around you, and you did everything 43 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: from sort of I edited the baby page, and I 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: made them cups of tea, and I got to do, 45 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, and you learned the basics of journalism. You know, 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: if you answer the five questions where, what, how, where 47 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: who or whatever? You've got yourself a story. So I 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: didn't even know that was like, so is that you 49 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: answer those five questions and you have a story. So 50 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: just little basics like that, and I just loved it. 51 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: They really nurtured me and it was just a great 52 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: environment and I was learning a lot. And then one 53 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: day my dad saw in the Age newspaper they'd never 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: do this and now advertise for a cadet channel mine 55 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: because it's all about interns, work experience and all that 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: kind of stuff and you have to be unigraduate and anyway, 57 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: he said, why don't you go for this job? And 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: I said, but I'm not interested in TV taut. I 59 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: love what I'm doing. And he said, but it's the 60 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: only job you've known, Like go just for give it experience, 61 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: you know. So I applied and I got an interview, 62 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: but over five hundred people applied for three positions. Anyway, 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: the news director at the time, who was a very 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: gruff old school journal he took a liking to me 65 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: and he said, stick around for the day, kid, and 66 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: I did, and I just kind of watch what happened 67 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: in the newsroom and one of the editors drove me home, 68 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: and two or three days later the phone went and 69 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I answered it and this gruff was is your mother there? 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: I said, Mom, it's John Srow and I put her 71 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: on and he said your daughter got the job and 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: hung up. Oh I love it. So I don't know 73 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: why I didn't tell me or but that was that 74 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: was it. And I went out for dinner with my 75 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: mom and dad that night, celebratory dinner, and I said, 76 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: I don't think I want to work in TV because 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: I was impressed, but I wasn't star struck or overwhelmed. 78 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: I was really happy where I was. And my mum 79 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: said to me, Joanne, this is something you can't not do, 80 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: like you have to do this because you can. Opportunities 81 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: like this don't come along very often in life, and 82 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: give it a go, and you could always go back 83 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: to what you were doing. And so anyway, the rest 84 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: is history. I started, and yeah, I love it. 85 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: Is it true had voice lessons like you had? 86 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: I sounded terrible. This really high pitched Pommy kind of 87 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: proper voice was unlistenable. And I didn't go on the 88 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't put to air for at least I'm guessing 89 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: about a year, might have even been longer. But I 90 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: went to voice lessons three times a week and there 91 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: was like marbles or something, yeah, like deep breathing and 92 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, humming all that kind of things. So yeah, 93 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to. I did that, and I went 94 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: out on the road with the older journals and just 95 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: was a sponge watch what they did and you know 96 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: it would be in the voice booth when they were recording, 97 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: and went out on the road and you know, just 98 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: watched what they did and you know I took it up. Yeah, exactly. 99 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: So I had to do a lot of just prepping, 100 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: I guess, and learning, and you know, it took a 101 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: while before I was ready to go on here. And 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: then they kind of threw me in at the deep end. 103 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: I remember it was a war a fire at a 104 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: guesthouse in Warburton. Oh I remember my knees were shaking off. 105 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: Thought it was kind of faint. Oh really yeah, yeah, 106 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: so the nerve wow. 107 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: And did you as you were doing that kind of 108 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: like just soaking it up and watching that, then did 109 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: you start to fall in love with it and be like, oh, 110 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: actually mom and Dad were right, this is kind of amazing. 111 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: Do you Knowry, it's a really good question because I 112 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: often it was not a love hate relationship. I mean 113 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: I loved it, obviously, but I really felt out of 114 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: my comfort zone. I was just a little, skinny, little 115 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: girl from suburbs of Melbourne. I went to a public 116 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: school and you know, if the newspapers that I wanted 117 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: to work in the Herald's son in Melbourne in the 118 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: age I only employed cadets from private schools, and I 119 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: just felt I was probably a little bit always out 120 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: of my league. I mean, even when you know, I 121 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: became weekend news anchor and it was the highest rating 122 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: show in the country, and you know, it's beating everything, 123 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: the block and you name it. It was just up 124 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: the top of you know, the ratings. And even then 125 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: I used to think, when someone come along and discover 126 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: I'm a fraud and I'm not really good at what 127 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: I do, you know, it's imposter syndrome kind of yes, yeah, yeah, 128 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: So I just I did fall in love with it, 129 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: but it was just always something I felt. I was 130 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: forever striving to be good at it and competent, and 131 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: you know, I always second guess myself, always my pretty 132 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: much my whole career. I think, really, yeah. 133 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: Is it true, because I think at twenty three you 134 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: were pregnant with first bambino, And is. 135 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: It true that you were like, well. 136 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: I guess my career might be over, old and over 137 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: did you really feel I did? I thought, well, that's 138 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: just you know, I mean, it was ridiculous because I 139 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: was one of those few people. I probably didn't take 140 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: the pill completely accurately, but I was on the pill, 141 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: so it came as. 142 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: A real shock. Oh wow, yeah, so it was. And 143 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: I just thought, right, that'sick. Career over because I was 144 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: one of only two women in the newsroom reporting. Yeah, 145 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: there was an older woman that was there when I started, 146 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: but there were very few women at all in the 147 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: newsroom and TV per se like it was just boys club, 148 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: wasn't it? Very much so? And certainly women who worked there, 149 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: they didn't work there get pregnant and then go back 150 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: to work. That just was not a thing, you know, 151 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: so and especially not in a role like a TV reporter. 152 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: So I just thought that's it. And I was talking 153 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: about it with my mum and she said, don't be ridiculous. 154 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: Women these days can have everything. And I'm like, Mum, 155 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: what woman has everything to show me, and she said, 156 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: I'll show you, you'll do it, and I'll help you. 157 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: And I mean ad middlely, I had her help. And 158 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, perhaps a lot of women that don't have 159 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: families or relatives that can step up and help them 160 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: with young babies and things like, they couldn't achieve what 161 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: I did. But I owe it all to my you know, 162 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: my mom and then my sister because my mother passed 163 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: away when my second one was born. He was only 164 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,479 Speaker 1: six months old. But my sister's older than me and 165 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: her family were all grown up, so she ended up 166 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: being the twins nanny and she stepped up to the plate. 167 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: So it's been family that have helped me do that. 168 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: But I honestly thought, yep, it's its career over. And 169 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, they weren't easy on me. They didn't kind 170 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: of go like now. For instance, some of the female 171 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: journals in the journals in the newsroom shared the job, 172 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: so you know, one of them young mums. Obviously they'll 173 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: be working a couple of days and the other one 174 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: will fill the rest of the week. And they were 175 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: they're great like that, so but back in the day, 176 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: that just didn't happen. They weren't allowing for a woman 177 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: with a child. And I got the shift work. I 178 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: got the midnight to dawn news breaks. Who would listen 179 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: or watch the midnight door news breaks, but anyway, we 180 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: had them, and I would do that shift for a 181 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: month and Mum just helped me with because of course 182 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: you couldn't be there for school pickup or your filing 183 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: stories and all that kind of things. 184 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: So because it's like such a it's a job that 185 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: demands a lot of you. It's not just like, oh 186 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: I'm dipping my tail. Oh here a couple of days. 187 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: It's like it's a demanding job and being across it 188 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: has been, especially with breaking. 189 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: News as well. 190 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: Like I imagine it's something that could easily take up 191 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: your entire life. 192 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly, and it did. I mean I missed. 193 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: I was there for lots, but I missed lots. I 194 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: missed my daughter, you know, taking her first steps, and 195 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, different things, things that happen in life, of course, 196 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: and you know you've got to be on call. And 197 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: it is an all consuming gig, that's sure, because even 198 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: when you're not on, you're on, you know, because you're 199 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: on at home and you might be called in or 200 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: and you know, you're always a reflection of what you do. 201 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: You know, wherever you are, whatever you're doing, you're carrying 202 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: that with you. And you know you can't You've always 203 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: got to be mindful that you're representing the station. Of course, 204 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, credibility is everything as a newsreader. That's sort 205 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: of changed with the times. I mean, I remember back 206 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: in the day, you know, we couldn't even say what 207 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: footy team we barrack for because that might alienate some viewers. 208 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: These days, you're known as a mad post. 209 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: These days it's celebrated and newsreaders are asked for and 210 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: that's only really been in the last kind of ten years. Well, 211 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: I remember the Afternoon News online they started this thing 212 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: called the chat Room. You know. That was I think 213 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: that was maybe twelve twelve year maybe a bit more 214 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: than ten years ago, but I remember they wanted to 215 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: it was out of Sydney and they wanted to meet 216 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: a contribute to it regularly. And I went to my 217 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: news director and said, newsroupers can't have opinions, we can't 218 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: do this. It didn't I kind of thought, because it's 219 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: just so used to being almost like a vessel all 220 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: you're a conjure on it. Yeah, yeah, and you're not 221 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: meant to have feelings or emotions or opinions, you know, 222 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: but these days everyone does, and it's just calibrated since 223 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: since I started. 224 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: You know, I have to ask you about winning the 225 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: Thorn Award in nineteen ninety and you're the only woman. 226 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it exists anymore. It may do, 227 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: but I don't think it does. But yeah, at that point, 228 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: I think it had been going for about sixteen years 229 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: or something like that, and I was the first woman 230 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: to win, and that was for the siege Kindergarten Siege. 231 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: You're probably too young to remember it, but it was. 232 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: I think it was nineteen ninety and I didn't get 233 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: a lot of hard news stories like I. Tended to 234 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: do more human interest and color pieces, which suited me. 235 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't really into spending days in courts or you know, 236 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: stumbling over bodies, which I did. With one of Chopper reads, I. 237 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: Read that you literally beat You were like on scene 238 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: with the first police or something. 239 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. That was Sammy the Turk at bo Jangle's Disco 240 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: and sin Kilda. Of course, Chopper never never admitted to it, 241 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: but you know. Anyway, I was called there and the 242 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: police hadn't even finished roping it off and I literally 243 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: almost fell over the body that was That was pretty horrendous. 244 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: So that but that wasn't my usual gig. Okay, that's 245 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: when you're not going to forget though, No, no, certainly not. 246 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: And the hard news stories, I don't think I did 247 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: forget many of them, because they do stay with you 248 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: a lot more the things that you carry home. You know, 249 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: you don't forget seeing a dead body and you know, 250 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: seeing families in Greek and all that kind of thing. 251 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: Of course, when you're anchoring from the studio, it's slightly different, 252 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: you slightly removed from it. But when you're there, it's 253 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's fall on you know. But yeah, the 254 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: Kindergarten siege was basically this guy gone on a hunger 255 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: strike a couple of days before on the steps of 256 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: Parliament house his wife. He was from Turkish. He was Turkish. 257 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: His wife had had a cesarean and he felt she'd 258 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: been mistreated in hospital, so he was looking for compensation 259 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: and some sort of answers. So he was in this 260 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: hunger on this hunger strike on the steps of Parliament Anyway, 261 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: a few days later, he walked into a kindergarten Hawthorne 262 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: with a little, you know, canvas bag and in it 263 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: he had well, it wasn't known exactly what was in it, 264 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: but it turned out there was a canter petrol box 265 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: of matches. It was a toy gun, but it was 266 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: believed to be a real gun. There were a few 267 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: bits and pieces in there, and he took four children 268 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: hostage in the toilet. But basically how Mike's from my experience, 269 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: it was a pretty slow newsday, but it was the 270 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: newsroom was empty. I was the only one there, and 271 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: I got sent with my best friend who was a 272 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: camera woman, and she's pretty much one of the only 273 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: camera women there are very well. I don't think there 274 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: are any now, but there were been maybe a handful 275 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: over the years. And she was her birthday and we 276 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: were with the sound recorders and we all got in 277 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: the car and we were all joking, oh, we'll be 278 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: at the public lunchtime to celebrate your birthday. And we 279 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: pulled up outside the kindergarten. There was one police car. 280 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm getting out of the car, getting the gear and 281 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: having a bit of a laugh, and two police officers 282 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: came running out with their guns up in the air 283 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: saying get down, get down, and we knew straightaway it 284 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: was serious. Goofbums. Yeah. 285 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: So also being a mum, I imagine that would be 286 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: really confronting. 287 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: Well, he ended up playing siege to police and everyone 288 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: for about eight hours. So went on for the whole day, 289 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: and within a matter of minutes all the other stations 290 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: were there, so many police. Just was massive crowd, and 291 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: he had these children hostage and the toilet he polled 292 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: petrol I or sitting there in the little nappies, and 293 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: it was pretty awful, and they were trying to negotiate 294 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: with him. But I just remember when the parents came 295 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: to collect the children. They had moved the ones that 296 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: weren't taken hostage into the church hall next door, and 297 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: the parents were called to collect and I just thought, 298 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: imagine coming and looking into this little sea of faces 299 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: and not seeing your child and then knowing that your 300 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: child is with this crazed man. And I had one 301 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: child at the time, he was school age, but I 302 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: just remember thinking that would be horrendous, absolutely horrendous, Oh 303 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: my goodness. 304 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: And so that for covering that story in reels, very 305 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: much for real time. That was like, you're on side, 306 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: that's what you won that award for. What a way 307 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: to be celebrated. 308 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: Well, the only thing was it was a bit. I 309 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: had to fight tooth and nail for it, because later 310 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: on in the afternoon they realized he potentially could go 311 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: over news and you know, we could do live would 312 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: be breaking lets, and they realized what such a big 313 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: story it was. So they sent one of the most 314 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: senior reporters down and it was Hugh Reminton, who's an 315 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: anchor in Sydney. And I thought, what's he doing here? 316 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: They're going to take this story off me. So I 317 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: rang the news from I said, no one is taking 318 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: this story. This is my story, good honor, and I 319 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: went back and filed and it was all okay. He 320 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: didn't take it. But I do remember being nominated for 321 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: the Thorn Award and we went up to Sydney and 322 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, Peter Harvey was Mark Burrows. There was just 323 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: the real heavyweights of yeah, and I'm sitting at this 324 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: table and he was marked. But they went through the 325 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: nominees and his Mark Burrows in Romania dodging bullets, and 326 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, Peter Harvey and anyway, there's me and my 327 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: little kinder siege. But it won, so it was it 328 00:16:59,280 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: was amazing. 329 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: It's so nice to be celebrated in that way. 330 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: And also like. 331 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: Still like you'd been you know, that's eleven years into 332 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: your career or ten eleven years into a career, but 333 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: like it's so nicely like as a woman early ninety, 334 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, to be so represented and celebrated. 335 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: I have to ask you about Ash Wednesday because that 336 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: sounded so scary, the experience that you had whilst you 337 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: were covering Ash Wednesday, right, Well. 338 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: I think, excuse me, everyone would have had a particularly 339 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: scary experience. I think if you're a crew CAMA crew 340 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: that are sent out to cover bush bires like that, 341 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: then it's going to be scary. You're going to find 342 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: yourself in you know, life or death or really dangerous situations. 343 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: So and reporters and obviously anyone if you're a link 344 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: van operator whoever. Obviously the emergency service is similar. But 345 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: once again, I was sitting in the newsroom. They had 346 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: sent everyone to Cocker two to be conspilled to the 347 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: major hotspots yea, and it was clear this was going 348 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: to be massive and I'd done like literally, I think 349 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: I'd done some flower shot or something really kind of 350 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: very light, and I would say even it was mid 351 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: was February, it was very hot. I was in this 352 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: apricotton a white polka dot chiffon skirt and top. And 353 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: they said, Joe, you're going down with you know, Peter 354 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: and Sando to Angle Sea for Ash Wednesday. And it 355 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: was four o'clock in the afternoon, and that's how I 356 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: was dressed, and they just we got in the car 357 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: and we drove down. Well, of course, I don't know 358 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: if you remember with well with the with Ash Wednesday, 359 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: there was a massive dust storm that preceded it, and 360 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: it just kind of got worse as suffires were raging. 361 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: So we're driving down. We went the back road through 362 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: kind of how you go to Kola, like not the 363 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: Great oceanowered yea, and literally you could not see you 364 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: in front of you. It was really dangerous driving. It 365 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: was absolutely terrifying because you just couldn't see, so you 366 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: didn't whether youreing to run off the road hit another 367 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: car head on. I mean we're driving pretty slowly. Anyway, 368 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: we got down there and we thought we'll try and 369 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: get the best pictures, and the CFA was at the 370 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: back of Anglesey and the CFA had all these kind 371 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: of spots that we weren't meant to go past, and 372 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: of course we're really gung ho, we're not looking the 373 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: wrong way. We've kind of you know, got past that 374 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: point and we were in on this road. There's this 375 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, miles away. All you could see was this 376 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: orange and red sky. But what we didn't know at 377 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: the time was the busheire's travel really fast, really fast, 378 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: and they jump, they don't just kind of move slowly. 379 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: And so the cameraman's getting this We're parked in the 380 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: middle of the road and he's getting this shot, and 381 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: he was looking through his viewfinder, which of course you 382 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: lose perspective when you're doing that, and the sound I 383 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: was connected in those days to the camera, and he 384 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: was looking the other way to around anyway, we look 385 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: back and suddenly there was this like three story high 386 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: wall of flame heading towards us and had been it 387 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: had jumped. It was really close. It was thundering, the 388 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: noise was full on. So we just we had to 389 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: get out of this and we ran back to the car. 390 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: I got in the driver's seat, and the cameraman threw 391 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: himself in the front still connected with the sundo in 392 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: the back doors of the car open, and I started 393 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: and fish tailed off down the road and we got 394 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: away and it was okay, it was fine. But I 395 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: often thought, if that car had not started, we're gone, 396 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, oh wow. So just were stupid. And we 397 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: were told after that that we would be arrested if 398 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: we didn't get to the beach where everyone else was 399 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: being evacuated and stopped trying to be so gung ho. 400 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: So we ended up, you know, going to the beach, 401 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: parking the car, getting all our stuff, saying the car 402 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: might be gone when you get back in the morning, 403 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: so take a year, you know, take whatever. So we 404 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: slept the night on the beach. 405 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 2: There are so many like it's so fascinating hearing all 406 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 2: these different stories about like what a colorful career, you 407 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 2: know what I mean. But I have to ask, do 408 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: you today, with you know, forty five years of experience, 409 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: do you still get nervous? 410 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: Really? Yes, very much so. I mean, I love love 411 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: live television. I think the whole idea that anything can 412 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: happen is kind of keeps you on edge. It's your 413 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: adrenaline is going, especially you know, if you're anchoring, you're 414 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: presenting massive stories, breaking it's all like yeah, exactly, So 415 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: I still you know, and when you speak of nerves, 416 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: like you think, oh, you know, broadcasters, there must be 417 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: so good at public speaking and I can do it, 418 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: but I don't love it, and I find it incredibly daunting. 419 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: And I think even more so than sitting in front 420 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: of a camera and knowing there might be three four 421 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people watching, it's much more scary for me 422 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: to stand up in a room and see a sea 423 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: of faces, and to mc an event tour too, you know. 424 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: Do you know I feel like with broadcasting a news 425 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: there's something like you're entering our lound room, and so 426 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: there's something quite intimate about that, and it's just like 427 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: there's something where like you feel like a mate to 428 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: us the viewer, and then versus like a public speaking forum, 429 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: it would feel a lot more like what I'm trying 430 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: to say is I get it. I think it would 431 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: be much scarier because you're coming into space, you're gonna 432 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: feel judged, whereas when you're coming into somebody's home via 433 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: the news, it's there's something quite comforting about that for 434 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: the watcher, and also like you was the anchor, it's 435 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: kind of like, well, no, I'm here. 436 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: I'm here to deliver you your. 437 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: News in your home. And that's quite a nice feeling, 438 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 2: I think, well. 439 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: It is, and it's a privilege obviously, you know, it's 440 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: quite lovely to be you're in being invited. Yeah, you 441 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: like into someone's. 442 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: House, dinner time, in someone's thousand, you know, like part 443 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 2: of their ritual exactly. 444 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: Exactly, so very much so. And also when I first started, 445 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: I think it was Peter Hitchener gave me some great advice, 446 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, with like different things. You used to say, 447 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: if you make a mistake, you know, just pick yourself up, 448 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: it's not going to happen again, and keep going. Because 449 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: he said, if you let it overwhelm you a little, 450 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: even a little bit, it can be a snowball effect 451 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: and it can just keep going and then you make 452 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: another one another one, and then you get really you know, 453 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: that was a great advice. And the other one was, 454 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: you know, when you in front of the camera, just 455 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: imagine there's one person. There's not five hundred thousand, there's 456 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: just one. So I used to think there's mum, I'm 457 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: telling mom, I'm telling mom what's happened today. 458 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: I love that, And it means that you're also more 459 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: relaxed too. And it's just like a convoy. 460 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: With exactly you're directing it at one person, not this 461 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: you knows of people, half a million people at home watching. 462 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: I have to ask, did you ever have or do 463 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: you have any kind of like rituals, like do you 464 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: walk around the desk a certain way, or do you 465 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 2: have to have like a favorite kind of like beverage, 466 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: like you have to have to have water or coffee? 467 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 468 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: Is there something that you've kept as a lucky like 469 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: you know, how is it Rapa? You know those tennis. 470 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: But there's people that have got those amazing little rituals 471 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: that kind of bring luck. 472 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated. Funny you mentioned him. I love Rafa and 473 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with his OCD like twisting the water bottle 474 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: and positioning them and he does so many things, not 475 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: walking on the lines. As he comes he has to 476 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: jump out to serve and they're not walking on lines, 477 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: and he's just so fascinating. And I definitely had rituals. 478 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: I had used to have to, you know, before every 479 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: bulletin clean my teeth, I took into the studio glass 480 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: of water and a cup of tea. Yeah, you know, 481 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: there were just things that I had to do. I 482 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: had to be in by a certain time. I was 483 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: running late. That used to send me because I think 484 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: was something it was always about something going wrong. Yeah. So, 485 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people the more I've 486 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: talked about that over the years, the more I've discovered 487 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: that many people are like that. Oh yeah, no, there 488 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: are a lot of football I was. 489 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: About to say, you're an AFL girl. I remember, I'm 490 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: a Bombers fan. Matthew Lloyd will always have to like 491 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: pluck the grass to see which way the wind's going 492 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: before you kick a goal, pull his socks up and 493 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 2: then push them down a little. 494 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: Bit and then go for the kid. Yeah, Like it's fascinating. 495 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: It's like a. 496 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: It's almost like a success ritual. Like you need those 497 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: things in alignments. And even in I train as an 498 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: actor and in acting world, there's a saying that if 499 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: you arrive at your call time, you're already five minutes late. 500 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 2: You know, so like you can see why, like there 501 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: are those things that they're really just setting you up 502 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 2: for success because you're doing everything in your favor so 503 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: that by the time you sit in that seat. 504 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: You're ready. Yeah, you're good to go. Yeah. Absolutely. 505 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 2: It's it's fascinating that I think that if I was 506 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: in your shoes, I would definitely have a few rituals 507 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 2: for sure. 508 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: I'd be like, that's my lucky mug. Okay, we're good 509 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: to go. Well, there's a whole cleaning the teeth thing, 510 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, because why do you do that every night showing? 511 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I just have to. And 512 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: then if I got I was running late, something would 513 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: happen and hold you op in the Instagram and you're 514 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: trying to make it into studio and you didn't have 515 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: time for the teeth cleaning, like you've missed a charge. Yeah, 516 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: and when something went it's something went wrong. 517 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: I've heard Peter hitch and I say he kicks off 518 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: his shoes, Yes he does. 519 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: Actually, so like get comfy and kind of just. 520 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 2: Be like okay, it's like which it all it all tracks, 521 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: like it all makes such sense. I find it so fascinating. 522 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: I think that also like anchoring open say right, but 523 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 2: like reading the news has become certain thing that's been 524 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: in the front of people's zeitgeist because of that beautiful 525 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: Jen Aniston show. It's called Morning Wars in Australia. 526 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: You know, I haven't seen it, which is just a crime. 527 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to love it, and it so celebrates 528 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: women in such a beautiful way. But it does show 529 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: that high intensity and pace before it's kind of like 530 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: showtime and it's fascinating in that that little behind the 531 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 2: scenes window before the red light you get to see 532 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 2: you and like getting to see how autoq works and 533 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: all these like magic things behind the scenes. 534 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: Do you have auto q? 535 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, of course. And do you write some 536 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: of your own er? Is it a bit of a. 537 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: Team when you're anchoring them the main news you don't 538 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: write literally anything because you're yeah, you're just pretty sed 539 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: it as exactly real time news breaks and things like that. 540 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: In news updates, yes, you know, most often the news 541 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: reader will write them. It's just when it's a bulletin 542 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: like you know now, you know, with my feature stories, 543 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: I'll write my interests. Yeah, you don't expect the newsreader 544 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,239 Speaker 1: to do that, so yeah, it just depends. I mean, 545 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: there is a bit of writing involved when you rank, 546 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: And of course it doesn't mean you can't have a say, 547 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, you can go to the SYB editor and say, 548 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, just worried about that we're saying this or whatever, 549 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: and that's I think that's a good thing. As many 550 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: filters as there can be before that is put to air, 551 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: the better, because you know, it might be written by 552 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: the you know, the reporter, and then the sub editor 553 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: is seeing it, and then the girl who's doing auto 554 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: Q puts it into format, then the newsreader looks at it. 555 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: But still things go to air that, you know, not 556 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: necessarily wrong. I remember not long ago, I did a 557 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: beautiful feature on this woman who was teaching ballet classes 558 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: to older, older people in the country, and we went 559 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: down there was this wonderful story and in the intro, 560 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: one of the new producers trainee producers had kind of 561 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: fiddle with the intro just to play around with it, 562 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: and it kind of got through a few people and 563 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 1: got to and on the surface it was there was 564 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: nothing kind of wrong with it. But basically we said 565 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: something like, who says you can't teach an old dog 566 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: new tricks? And of course there was a little bit 567 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: of resistance of that from the people that we did 568 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: the story on and then other older people that were 569 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: taking up exercising and different activities saying we're not old dogs. 570 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: So you've got to be very careful as to what 571 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: you say and what you put to air, and you've 572 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: got to kind of really think about it a little 573 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: bit beyond. 574 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: The square totually. Has there ever been a time where 575 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: you're sharing a story and you're like, this is like 576 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: shocking to you, or it's like a story where you're like, 577 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: this feels so weird saying this because it's like either 578 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: a really heavy story or it's or you might be 579 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: sharing like you being into your sports and whatnot, like 580 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: sharing something. 581 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: You're like, oh my goodness. 582 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: Like, has there ever been a something that's stuck with 583 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: you and you've gone, wow, this feels surreal? 584 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is, but it's a really tragic story. It's 585 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: you probably remember it rosy. Yeah, yeah, I just when 586 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: you think about the basic elements of that story, not 587 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: to dwell on it too much, but if you think 588 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: about what you're saying that I think he was twelve, 589 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: wasn't he twe eleven or twelve? Eleven year old boy 590 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: killed by his father at cricket practice. You just kind 591 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: of like just those elements of that story, like they 592 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: don't go to get much together. No, and it's just 593 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: I remember having trouble getting my head around that. You know, 594 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: it's so shocking that it's incomprehensible, you know, just even 595 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: deliver it. You think something's going wrong right here. 596 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: You know, is hard as well, like if you're a 597 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: conduit and so that's you're there to deliver that message, 598 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: and then you being a mum as well and reading 599 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: something that would definitely be like, oh, this is horrific. 600 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: Is it hard to like keep a handle of your 601 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 2: own emotion when you're sharing something so tragic. 602 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: Yes, Look, I think it is really hard. And I'm 603 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: a crier, Like I cry and tell tell strads, you know, 604 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: I'll cry at anything. I like that. I cry in maths. 605 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: I've been watching My Goodness. Yes we have to the weddings. 606 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's a wedding. It's not going to cry, 607 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: so I just I'm very easily moved. So of course 608 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: when it's you know, tragedy and anything involving children, So 609 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: it is really hard. But you're also there to do 610 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: a job, and your role is to impart the information. 611 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's hard to stop yourself feeling, but it's in 612 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: a sense no one cares what you feel. Not that's 613 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: not what's important. What's important is what you're telling people, 614 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: and that people get that information and then know about 615 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: it for not you to cloud their judgment or to 616 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: put your spin on it. And in a sense by 617 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: showing emotion, you're not doing too much emotion where it's 618 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, stops you from reading, or you're sitting there with. 619 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: Tears your throat close exactly straight. 620 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: Away, that's not to say, and I ha has happened 621 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: many times where you do get watery eyes for sure, Yeah, 622 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, and I think that would happen with most people, 623 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: especially say with stories like the one I mentioned before, 624 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, where you just can't fathom what you're saying, 625 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, all the volume of people that might have 626 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: been killed. I remember I started a Monday to Friday's stint. 627 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: I was feeling in Pete a hitchiner over summer, and 628 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: the tsunami happened on the Sunday night and I was 629 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: starting on the Monday, so I was anchoring on my 630 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: own and we were doing hours back then too, so 631 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,479 Speaker 1: that was huge, and just when you're talking about hundreds 632 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: of thousands of people being affected and displaced and eventually dying. 633 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: That was you know, you can't kind of believe what 634 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: you're reading. A bit like the Trade Center attacks as well. 635 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, why like yeah, I think that's where 636 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: I would definitely fail in your shoes. I think i'd 637 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: just be water works for good stuff too, because I'm 638 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,239 Speaker 2: a mad AFL fan as well. 639 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: If the Bombers won, I'd be too passionate. Well, see, 640 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: that's where it's difficult when you know, as I said, 641 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: two years ago, you weren't allowed to sort of say 642 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: who you barrack for. And now it's courage, its celebrated. 643 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: You can even wear your footage, I mean footy scars 644 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: when you're on grand final leave and that kind of thing. 645 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: So for me, it's always hard when it's a Collingwood 646 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: story because you know, I make no secret of I'm 647 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: a massive fan. I thought, it's like, oh God, is 648 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: this said with bias. 649 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: Or I have to ask as somebody who I'm thirty 650 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 2: eight and I have spent a big chunk of my 651 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: career as a nutritionist and wellness author, and in my 652 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: mid thirties. I was like, no, I need to chase 653 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: this dream of being an actor. And I remember, right 654 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: before I went to LA, because I live half in 655 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, I was in an acting class in Melbourne 656 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,479 Speaker 2: and I would have been at that stage thirty five 657 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: thirty six, and I ran into an old schoolmate who 658 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 2: was obviously the same age as me, and. 659 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: I said, Oh, I'm going to LA in two weeks. 660 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. 661 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 2: I'm just going to sneak this acting class in before 662 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: I go. And she goes, but you're thirty five And 663 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: I go what And she goes, well, you're too old 664 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: to succeed as an actor in LA. And I was like, oh, 665 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 2: I can't really afford to think like that, Like that 666 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 2: was my initial reaction, but I have to ask as 667 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: a woman, like we I think the times are completely changing. 668 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: But there is this weird narrative, or there was this 669 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 2: really narrative like when you're in your thirties, oh, and 670 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 2: want to work in television and media, it's kind of 671 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: this weird like invisible expiration date or something. Did you 672 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 2: find like that conversation in your thirties of being like, 673 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 2: you know, am I at the end of my career, like, 674 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 2: did that ever happen? 675 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: Well, of course, because as I said to you, you know, 676 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: for a start, women didn't have babies and go back 677 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: to work. So of course a lot of women, not all, 678 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: but you know a lot of women will want to 679 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: have children. So you think, oh, well, once they have children, 680 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: that's it for their careers. So you kind of you know, 681 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: and when I started, you just pretty much you know, 682 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: went through the early years thinking this will not last, 683 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: and they just won't because yep, there's a use by 684 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: date for women because they kind of was. Yeah. So 685 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: and I even you know, my husband at the time 686 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: he used he was a kind of not struggled, but 687 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: he was a trading and obviously in TV was earning 688 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: fairly good money, so it was earning more than him. 689 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: And I used to say to him, Look, don't you know, 690 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: have any insecurities about this, because at some stage, probably 691 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: very soon, you're going to be the breadwinner. I won't 692 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: have a job because I work in TV, an I'm 693 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: a woman, so I'm not going to last, whereas you're 694 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: going to be a trading forever, so you'll be looking 695 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: after this family. And you know, so while I can, 696 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: let's just celebrate that and be happy and grateful for that. 697 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: So that's kind of was the attitude. But then as 698 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: I kind of got older, and as I got older, 699 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: the kind of success came with the Age, Like when 700 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: I was anchoring weekend news and it was going like 701 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: off the charts, you know, I was around forty, so 702 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: it kind of it just changed. And I just remember 703 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: the Age newspaper when it was a broadsheet. You read 704 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: this article. Yeah, And they came out they wanted to 705 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: do a feature on me, and it was great. It 706 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: was huge, big story, and it was it was They 707 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: asked some great questions. I hadn't really spoken a lot 708 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: about my marriage breakdown and their pressures on that, so 709 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: I spoke about They asked about things that I didn't 710 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: hadn't normally talked much about. So I quite enjoyed the 711 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: actual interview on the piece. And then we did the 712 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: photo shoot in the studio and they had wind machines 713 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: and they shot it black and white, had a man's 714 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: tucks on. I felt like Brittany, you know. It was 715 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: just like a video and the photos were amazing. But 716 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: the headline to the story was the art of survival, 717 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: and I was forty, so I kind of thought, you know, 718 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: like it was just we were shooting ourselves in the 719 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: foot rather than celebrating this which should be. It was 720 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: kind of like, wow, look at this oddity, if you like. 721 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: So in many respects it was, as I say, it 722 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: was a great article, and I love the photo shoot, 723 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: but I just thought that headline doesn't really kind of 724 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: match what we're trying to what you're trying to do here. 725 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: But yeah, there was just I think I grew with 726 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: that shift that was coming because in the States, you 727 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: didn't even get to start anchoring as a woman, even 728 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: back in the day, until you were forty. So it 729 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: slowly came here, and then suddenly I did that many 730 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: stories where people asked me about that very subject and 731 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: I'd go, well, I don't know that it exists much. 732 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: And I might have been fifty by this point or 733 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: in early fifties, and I'd say, well, I'm surrounded by 734 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: my colleagues all around my age. There's Tracy Grimshaw's as 735 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: Lisa Wilkins, Sandra Sully, you know, there's Jennifer Kite. You know, 736 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: there's a whole heap of women that Liz Hayes. 737 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 2: I also think as well, Like I don't know. I 738 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,280 Speaker 2: just think the life expert sperience that comes with like aging, 739 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 2: what a gift it is. And then to have that 740 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 2: wisdom to be able to still like you're a conduit 741 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 2: and you've got wisdom, that's like a magic combo that 742 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 2: I imagine only gets better, like as you age, because you're like, well, 743 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 2: I can relate to X, Y and Z and things 744 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 2: because I've lived life, you know what. 745 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean exactly exactly, And I think you know, people 746 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: are more you know, forgiving. Maybe we haven't quite got 747 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: there yet where it's on the level of say a 748 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: man that can be you know, into his kind of 749 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: late seventies or whatever. I don't think we're quite at 750 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 1: that point yet, but I certainly think the viewing public 751 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: is way more accepting and you know, welcoming of people 752 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 1: people aging on TV, which is a wonderful thing because 753 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: it should be celebrated. Yeah. Yeah, like you and acting, 754 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's it's to say that there's not a 755 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: place for you in the acting world. I'll find you. 756 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: Will you watch any movie and there's a whole range 757 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: of people I know, so hopefully that didn't know. 758 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 2: I think it gave me a bit of fire. If 759 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 2: I'm honest, I think I could talk to you all 760 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 2: day long. I think you're a wonderful human being. And 761 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: I think my final question, no, you're very I mean it, 762 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 2: you're very welcome. My final question is for somebody that 763 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 2: is listening, no matter where they are, what's going on 764 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 2: there world, But if they do have a little spark 765 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 2: of a passion, because you, to me, have lived like 766 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 2: somebody that has honored their passion, and you can see 767 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,479 Speaker 2: when from I've watched clips of you from the late 768 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 2: eighties like up to now, and you've just got such 769 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 2: a love for what you do. What is your advice 770 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 2: for somebody if they're like I think I've got this 771 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 2: passion and I want to chase this thing, but it 772 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 2: takes a bit of guts and courage and being a 773 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 2: bit uncomfortable and you know, facing a bit of fear sometimes. 774 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 2: What's your advice with someone that might have a passion 775 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 2: but it is a bit scared of chasing it. 776 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: I just think that you've got to dive right in, 777 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: like my mum made me do. I think probably when 778 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: I had like the conversation I mentioned to you, probably 779 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: there was a bit of fear there that I'm not 780 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: good enough to do this, I'm going to fail, and 781 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to fail. I want to be a success. 782 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,879 Speaker 1: But what she was saying was give it a go. 783 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: You might love it, and then it's something you can 784 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,760 Speaker 1: be successful at. And I think I would just say, 785 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: have a go at it, and if you fail, that's 786 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 1: really not failing. You've tried something, and who knows what 787 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: the end result might be. And as I say to 788 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: all of my children, you know, it doesn't matter what 789 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: you end up. As you know, two of them when 790 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 1: to private school, two of them didn't. They've all ended 791 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: up doing different things. My daughter's happily living in NUSA, 792 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: working in retail, leaving the dream. She's a beautiful surfer boyfriend, 793 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: and she's just had the motion everything exactly because she 794 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: loves that lifestyle. And I'm so happy for her because 795 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: that's what she's happy doing. Whereas you know, my eldest 796 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 1: was living in Paris and he's an editor yat It's 797 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: Netflix Stockos and he's married to a French girl and 798 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: she's a makeup artist and do you know what I mean? 799 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: They're two scales, you know, And I just say to 800 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: them find something you love, because you'll never work a 801 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: day in life. That's saying is so so true. I 802 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 1: still love what I do as much as the day 803 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 1: I started, you know what I mean. And I remember 804 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: in the early days thinking I love this so much. 805 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: You know what, I couldn't care if the if they 806 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: forget to pay me this week. Do you know it 807 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 1: was incidental that I got paid because I just thought 808 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: this is the best thing in the world. He is 809 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: a good barometer. Yeah. So I just think, find something 810 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,760 Speaker 1: you love, because then the other factors won't even matter, 811 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, Like MARNI, I know it's important we need 812 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: to have money, but do you know what I mean, 813 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: You'll just be endlessly happy and so rewarded and satisfied. 814 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: So I think you just have to jump in and 815 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 1: give it a go. I love that, Johall, you are wonderful. 816 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. 817 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 818 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 819 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,959 Speaker 2: on Instagram. 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