1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Have you eaten protein bread before? Do you like it? 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: If you're a fan of all things protein, you may 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: have noticed that recently there's a few new protein breads 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: on the market, and we may have some issues with 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: a few of them. Hi, I'm Leanne Wood and I'm 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: CUSI Borrow And every week we bring you The Nutrition Catch, 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: the biweekly podcast that keeps you up to date on 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: everything that you need to know in the world of 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: nutrition as well as all things protein bread. Today we 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: discussed popular meal kits and the things that you need 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: to look at for when making sure that you're using 12 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: the right one. And our listener question is all about 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: cheer and are they a good breakfast option. The kicks 14 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: up today, Susie, you had some thoughts about the Holgar's 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: new protein bread, but we will start by saying that 16 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: we really love Holger's as a brand. This is not 17 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: a dig at Holger's, but they have released a new 18 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: type of health protein wholemeal bread. And originally when you 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: sent me the photo, we had a bit of a 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: chuckle because we actually thought it was the Hemsworth Brothers 21 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: promoting it. We thought they had gotten celebrities on board, 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: but upon closer inspection zooming in. It was just a 23 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: Chris look alike, wasn't it Lucky? 24 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: I checked that before I got done the defamation on 25 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: the nutrition couch. My eyes aren't great at the best 26 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: of times, but I did. Honestly, when I sent it 27 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 2: to you thought it was the Hemsworth promoting protein bread. 28 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: And I thought, well, fair enough, but surely like you 29 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: make probably a bit more money as a Hollywood star. 30 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: So that was my error. 31 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: And I as I get older, leanne and a bit 32 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: more mellow and things don't irritate me nutritionly as much 33 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: as they once did. 34 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: You know. I remember when I was. 35 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: Young and you would see products that you know were 36 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: a bit dodged. You know, I'd get inflamed and put 37 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 2: it on social media and have a rant. 38 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: But this bothered me. 39 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: Now I am actually a big fan of the product 40 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: because Helgers have had a range of lower carb loaves 41 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: for some time, and I have always been a big 42 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: fan because the Helger's bread as a brand is reasonably 43 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: big slice, which is perfect for people who have high 44 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: energy demand. So when they released a lower car range, 45 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: which came in at about sixteen eighteen twenty grams of 46 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: car purchase slices. 47 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: Not dissimilar to a bergen sweetly and again a very 48 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 3: good bread. 49 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: I love it because it meant my clients had access 50 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: to a softer bread that was great for sandwiches, whereas 51 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: bergen can be a bit. 52 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: Chewy and bit better with toast. So I've always loved 53 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: the lower carb loabs. 54 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: Now, a couple of my clients had said to me 55 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: about the Helga's Protein bread. 56 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 3: And I was like, what do you mean, Like, is 57 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: it the lower carb one? 58 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 2: And so finally I picked up from this advertising and 59 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 2: I sent it straight to you because I said to you, I. 60 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: Think it's misleading because. 61 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: They're really heavily marketing this loaf, which is the Helger's 62 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: Health Protein wholemeal bread. 63 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: So there's a big protein on the front. 64 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: So my clients who are looking for protein bread and 65 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: I'll talk about that in a minute, will pick it 66 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: up and think it's protein bread. But on closer inspectionally 67 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: and of the nutritionals, you. 68 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: Know ingredient wise, it's pretty clean. 69 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: You know. 70 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: I told me a wheat flour fifty percent soy protein 71 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: isolate to bump the protein up. 72 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 3: A little bit. 73 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: But if I look at the actual overall protein per 74 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: serve it is eleven grams. 75 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 3: Now, I want to be very clear that, in. 76 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: My mind is a dietitian that is not a protein bread, 77 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: because that is a typical amount of protein in a 78 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: whole grain bread. So, for example, two slices of burg 79 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: and Soilin has more protein than that at twelve point 80 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: four grams. So I feel that marketing a loaf that 81 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: is not low carb high protein, but just has a 82 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: typical amount of protein, maybe tad more because it's got 83 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: a bit of soy protein isolate added, but not as 84 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 2: much as it at berg and Soilin is confusing because 85 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: a protein bread, as we've spoken about on the Nutrition 86 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: Couch before, is that newer range of breads you can 87 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: find in Audi. 88 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: The Hermann Brock brand, Macro have got one. 89 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: Bergen have Got a protein bread which is upwards of 90 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: twenty grams of protein per two slices, and the carbohydrates 91 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: are low, typically less than five grams. So I feel 92 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: this brand is writing off protein almost maskrading is protein bread, 93 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: but it's not. It's a lower carb loaf that has 94 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: a typical amount of protein that's in a good quality 95 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: whole grain or in this instance, whole meal bread that's 96 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: had a little bit of soy protein isolate added. So 97 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: I'm recommending it to my clients because my clients who 98 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: again need slightly lower carbohydrate loads, who like to have 99 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: a sandwich, you know, two slices of that Helger's loaf. 100 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: It's got twenty five grams of car very similar to 101 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: two sizes of Bourbon sweeling. It's a very strong bread nutritionally, 102 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: it's got almost five grams of fiber. But I feel 103 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: that marketing it like it is protein or higher protein 104 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 2: than you would expect in a bread is misleading because, 105 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: as I said, there's other typical breads on the supermarket 106 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: who don't really mention protein, which actually have more. So 107 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: I think it's really confusing, and it doesn't surprise me 108 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: that my poor clients are confused. 109 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: You know, I have to get them to go and 110 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: photograph the bread because they'll write in their diary that it's. 111 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: Protein bread, and then I have to check because it's 112 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: fundamentally different nutritionals. You know, protein bread is typically very 113 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: high and very low in carbohydrates, so it fundamentally changes 114 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: the macronutrient intake. So yeah, I'm sort of a bit 115 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: you know, I think really you know, it's a good bread, 116 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: do you really need to highlight it in that way? 117 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: And I guess maybe maybe lower carb is a message 118 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: in supermarkets hasn't got the cut through, and hence they're 119 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: rather marketing its protein. But we want to be very 120 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: clear here on the nutrition couch. It is not protein bread. 121 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: It is a lower carb loaf that has a typical 122 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: amount of protein that you would find in two slices 123 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: of whole grain or whole wheat bread. 124 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: Well, definitely it's you know, higher protein than say two 125 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: slices of white bread, for example. But you know, if 126 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: you're looking at another good quality type of bread like 127 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: you mentioned in the Berg and Soil in which as 128 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: dietitians we love that bread, so it is very similar 129 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: to that. So it's sort of sitting in middle ground, 130 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: isn't it just higher than traditionally two bits of I 131 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: don't know, a crappier type of high you know, white 132 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: bread or something. But it's not what we would consider 133 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: a protein bread. Because here's the thing. What our clients 134 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: will use protein bread for is the amount of protein 135 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: and a meal. A lot of our clients are putting 136 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: avocado water, a little bit of peanut butter on it, 137 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: and yes, peanut butter might have a little bit of protein, 138 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: but you're not getting a good twenty thirty gram wax. 139 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: So when we think about a nice breakfast option or 140 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: where we would use something like a protein bread ad, 141 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: we ideally want about twenty to thirty grams for most 142 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: people protein per meal. And if you're just taking some 143 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: avocado or putting a bit of veggimart and butter or 144 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 1: a bit of jam on your bread, you know, twelve 145 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: grams in two slices of bread isn't going to be enough. 146 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: But if you're putting something like eggs on or all 147 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, sure of course you can boost 148 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: it up to the twenty grams. It's great. But as 149 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: us is that a lot of people are traditionally buying 150 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: this protein type of bread as the sole source of 151 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: protein in the meal, and it's just not high enough. 152 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: So they're sort of sitting in the middle. And that's 153 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: I guess where we have the problem with it. They 154 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't be marketing as a protein bread because it's not. 155 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't have as much as what you would want 156 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 1: for a well rounded, I guess, nutritionally balanced meal unless 157 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: you're putting additional protein on top, and to me, that 158 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: kind of defeats the purpose of buying a protein based bread. 159 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: If I was going to put eggs on it, if 160 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: I was going to put cottag cheeres on it, I 161 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: would just buy a normal type of bread. 162 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: Because if you had two slices of that bread, which 163 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: would come in still twenty five grams for calve, and 164 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: we're assuming you were getting all your protein then you 165 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: had it with jam or honey, you basically end up 166 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: with a very high carbohydrate, relatively low protein breakfast overall. 167 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: And I do I think it gets really like nutrition 168 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: is confusing enough for consumers, for our clients, you know, 169 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: as I said, I've got to go now and look 170 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: at these, you know, really check what bread it is, 171 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: because it will pull my poor clients or getting. 172 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: Confused, and it is confusing. 173 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: So I think I'm thinking how I would I can 174 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: see why they're doing it. You know, protein, we know 175 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: is one of the high buzzwords in supermarket demand. If 176 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: you stick protein on something, everyone loves it, and I 177 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: can understand how lower carb perhaps wouldn't get cut through. 178 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: But I'm just thinking how I would have framed it. 179 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: I might have said, you know, teamed it together and 180 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: said rich in protein and lowering carbs. But I certainly 181 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't have just highlighted the protein aspect of it. And yeah, 182 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: I'm sort of a bit disappointed because I think it's, 183 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: you know, the big brands. 184 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: I've got responsibility to communicate clearly. 185 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: And in that case, given there is a whole growing 186 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: skew of breads which are high protein brands, which anti 187 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: plus grams per two slices, and you know, I had 188 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: to look at a few different loafs for comparison, like 189 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: a tip Top nine Grain's got seven or eight gram 190 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: so that is only a couple of grams less than 191 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: this one that's been heavily. 192 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: Marketed as protein or burg and soiling's got more. 193 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: So Yeah, it's it was a really interesting one that 194 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: had come up, and I'm sure that it will do 195 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: very well in supermarket, but certainly it's not a bread 196 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: that I would be saying to my clients have with 197 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 2: jam or honey by any means, I would much steer 198 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: them towards actually a protein loaf. 199 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: And we've mentioned some of those ones, which includes the 200 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: burgen protein. 201 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: There's macro in wool worse there's the Herman Brot or 202 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: the Aldi brand, and they're actually protein, high protein breads, 203 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: and typically it's safe to say, leet, a high protein 204 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: bread should also be low carb. So that's the difference. 205 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, taking magnifying glass to the supermarket because you've 206 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: got to work through it and differentiate yourself. It doesn't 207 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: certainly doesn't make it easy for consumers, does it. 208 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we're definitely not saying this is a bad bread, 209 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: not by any means, but just treat it like a 210 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: regular piece of bread. Just don't go, oh, this is 211 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: a great protein bread. I'm just gonna put whatever I 212 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: want in it and hit my protein requirements of the day. 213 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: So we're definitely not having a go at Helga's all 214 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: this bread. In general, it's a wonderfully nutritious homeal bread. 215 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely go and buy it, but just don't be of 216 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: the opinion that it's got all of your protein needs 217 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: in there. That's all that we're saying. So it's really 218 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: again how brands market things to you. And as we 219 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: recalled this, we do our podcast a little bit in advance, 220 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: and today at the supermarket, SUSI I saw something I 221 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: was buying me as obsessed with raisin toast at the moment. 222 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes to briber into the prem we give her a 223 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: little bit of raisin toast in the morning so we 224 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: can go for our walk. And I picked up the 225 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: I think it was a Tiptop brand and had no 226 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: added sugar on it, and I thought, oh, this is good, 227 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: Like no added sugar, raisin toast great. And I normally, 228 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: from a budgeting perspective, we'll just buy the Coals brand 229 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: of raisin toast. And I looked at it and I 230 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: compared both nutritional labels and the Coals brand was not 231 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: only cheaper, but lower sugar than the tip Top one 232 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: that was no added sugar, and I was like, go figure. 233 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: So just another friendly reminder that it's really important to 234 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: read your nutrition labels out there. You can't just pick 235 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: up something because it's got front of pack marketing and 236 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: it says high protein, low carb, low sugar and expect 237 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: that to be the best product in the range. You 238 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: have to know how to read and decipher your nutrition labels, because. 239 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: I would have said when you were describing it, well, 240 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: raisin toast shouldn't have sugar added. Anyway, there's a common 241 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: belief that bread has sugar added and ninety nine percent 242 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: will not. And I was going to say to you, 243 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought raisin toast should have sugar added anyway. 244 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: It just shows the power of marketing. And just as 245 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: you know you're dealing with in food industry. You know, 246 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: there's a hierarchy. 247 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: If you think about there's a handful of big brands 248 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: who control the food supply in Australia, and you get 249 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: young marketers who are done ho and they're keen as to. 250 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 3: Sell more products. You know, they're fresh added UNI and 251 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: they're excited. 252 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: They want to impress their bosses, and they come up 253 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: with these great taglines but no offense. 254 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: They couldn't care less really about anyone's nutrition. 255 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: It's the dieticians internally who are constantly battling with the 256 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: marketers to you know, not be misleading. 257 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: And I'm sure the Helga's dietitians were not overly happy, and. 258 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure that Tip Top dietitians were probably not overly 259 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: happy either that they bug that on. Given that bread 260 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: shouldn't have sugar added anyway, so you do have to 261 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: take it with a grain of salt lime and that's 262 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: why you need the nutrition couch in your life, because 263 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: we will always tell you exactly what the science is 264 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: showing one. 265 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: Hundred percent, will always keep it real. And my favorite 266 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: thing about how you said, let's talk about this bread 267 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: because it's so misleading. The first thing I thought when 268 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: you sent me that photo was, Oh, it's so misleading 269 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: because they zoomed and I thought, that is not Chris Hemsworth, 270 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: that's misleading. That's exactly what I thought you were talking about. 271 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, let's talk about misleading brands using 272 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: celebrities who weren't actually aren't actually even celebrities. So other 273 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: that was very amusing. 274 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know, using celebrities to sell nutrition products and 275 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: marketing on the nutrition is misleading because the celebrities don't 276 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: know the science and if they're promoting something decent or not. 277 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: So that's another issue I have too. But the fact 278 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 2: it wasn't the hems Worst it's funny enough, But I 279 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 2: wonder how many people did think it was the hems 280 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: Worse for that again, surely that's it wasn't by chance 281 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: that they look like the hems Worth. 282 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: Everyone's just going to go look at the ad and 283 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: be like, God, Leanne Susia's so blind. 284 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. 285 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: I think anyway, the whole thing it's just doesn't leave 286 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: a great taste. But it is actually a pretty good brand. 287 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: But you need to add protein to it, which means 288 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: you need it with your eggs, as you said, your 289 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: cottage cheese to complete the meal. 290 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: All right, Moving on healthy meal kits. So when we 291 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: were building out our Susi, which was a two year process, 292 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm so glad we're in the new house now. It 293 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: was a very very long time. We were very fortunately, 294 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: very grateful to live with the family, and just due 295 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: to the business of you know, work life, kids, that 296 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: sort of thing, we were using some meal kits for 297 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: a while. We have done HelloFresh and we've done new foods, 298 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: so there are a lot of meal kits out there, 299 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: and we get quite a lot of questions on the 300 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: nutrition couch about which one's the best one, which one's healthy, 301 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: which one's going to suit the family the best, and 302 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: particularly with the rising cost of groceries at the moment, 303 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: some of these milk kits aren't actually a bad idea 304 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: from a budgeting perspective. But I will say, after using 305 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: them for quite a while, I'd say we probably use 306 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: them for the better part of a year or more. 307 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: Not every day, but we would get about three meals 308 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: delivered a week just to save us running back and 309 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: forth to the grocery store and that sort of thing. 310 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: And what I was finding, Susie, is that they had 311 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: the same vegetables every time. It was like, always carrish, 312 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: it was always spinach, it was always zucchini. There was 313 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: rarely ever any mushroom. There was rarely ever any capsic. 314 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: So you do have to sort of be careful with 315 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: these meal kits because it's very hard to get diversity 316 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: in your diet because they will obviously tend to go 317 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: for the cheaper and more budget products, so you tend 318 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: to get, you know, chicken everything, unless you're for something else, 319 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: you tend to get you know, a lot of heavy rice, 320 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: heavy passes because obviously from a budgeting perspective, it's a 321 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: lot more affordable. So there are some good meal kits available, 322 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: but I really think it comes down to what you're 323 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: using it for as a family. How do you feel 324 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: about meal kits, Susie. 325 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: For your clients, Well, it came to mind because I 326 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 2: had just started working with a new client and she 327 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: sent me her food diaries, and she sent me the 328 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: I think it was hollow fresh, the list of meals 329 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: that she had to get through in her house before 330 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: she sort of officially focused on her new program. 331 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: And when I saw the nutritional labors, almost had a 332 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: heart attack. 333 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: Because I had sort of been aware from the past 334 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 2: that the meal kits were tending on the side of 335 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: high calorie meals, and I think the one she said 336 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 2: it was like eight hundred calories for the dinners, and 337 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: it just reminded me that, yeah, in many cases, I 338 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: know a couple of them do have lower calorie options 339 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: on some of the choices, but. 340 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: On the whole they are high calorie. Well are they high? 341 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: They're certainly not calories that are necessarily supportive of a 342 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: calorie deficit. I find the meals range between five to 343 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: eight hundred, even up to one thousand calories, which is 344 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: high for a small female, and it's high for several reasons. 345 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: It's high because they're often filling them out with white wraps, 346 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: you know, when you have the Mexican they put the 347 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: white raps in there, or they do quite a lot 348 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: of rice based dishes or noodles, and then the cuts 349 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: of meat aren't always. 350 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: Overly lean, so you'll end up with things like chicken. 351 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: Thigh or fattier cuts of mints or pork. And there's 352 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: a reason, as you describe, they do that, Lee, and 353 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: they do it because they have to make it affordable. 354 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: And at the moment, particularly, the cost of food is 355 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: so expensive, they wouldn't be able to reach their target 356 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: pricing and profit margins if they put in you know, 357 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: top five star mints or as you said, the sort 358 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: of more obscure vegetables which are a lot more pricey. 359 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: So I understand how it works, but I'm probably going 360 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: to go out on a limb here and. 361 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: Say I don't think necessarily they're a healthy choice. 362 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: I find that they're high in sult there's a lot 363 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: of sources, they're generally high in fat. They're way too 364 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: high in calories for most of my clients. So then 365 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: you have to sort of say to the girls, well 366 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: can you take out the wrap or the. 367 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: Rise and then add more vengies. 368 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: And I think, well, it defeats the purpose of having 369 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: a meal kit because you're starting to engineer it so much. 370 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: Now I'm about to do a formal review of them 371 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: for an article for news dot Com. So I'm going 372 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: to go through them again because admittedly I haven't seen 373 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: some of them for quite some time. So I'll take 374 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: a look at Dinnerly Maali Spoon, Hello Fresh, and I 375 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: believe Light and Easy. 376 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 3: You've got a new range of meal. 377 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: Kits as well, So I'm going to have another look 378 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: and I'll come back to you. 379 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,479 Speaker 3: But in general, eight hundred. 380 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: Calorie dinners are way too high for small females, particularly 381 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: those who are wanting to lose weight. So if you 382 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: do utilize meal kits from a budget perspective, or you've 383 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: got some vouchers, or you just find they're easier, if 384 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: you've got the opportunity to go and select the lower 385 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: calorie options, I would absolutely be doing that, but just 386 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: be mindful. If you have a quick scan and the 387 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: information is freely available, I would just argue sometimes you 388 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: better to get the pre made salad or stir fry 389 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: veggie bag from the supermarket. Some of the pre done 390 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: chickens that we're talking about in the freezer section, which 391 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: are like ten dollars, the pre made salad bag for 392 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: less than twenty dollars, you're going to feed at least two, 393 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: if not more people and it's a lot healthier. So 394 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: I think they associate with health and I don't necessarily 395 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: think they always tick the box. 396 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: And I had spoken many years ago to. 397 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: One of them about improving the nutritionals because I was saying, look, 398 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: I can't give these to my clients, the nutritionals. They're 399 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: too high in carb, they're too low in protein, they're 400 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: too high in calories. And the feedback was they actually 401 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: couldn't change the model because some of them are international 402 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: brands and that's what they are aligned to. They don't 403 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: get the freedom to go and make it because it's 404 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: supply chain and it's what the formula is and it's 405 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: what the brand is. 406 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: They don't have capacity to individualize it. So I think, yeah, 407 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: it is a bit misleading. They're healthy. 408 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: I think they're convenient for some people, and they offer 409 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: variety some people are looking for. But I would question 410 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: sometimes if they're actually kicking the box and what we 411 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: would define as healthy and balanced calorie control. 412 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think my experience using them for you know, 413 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: over a year, what I found, Susie and what makes 414 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: the calories so high and some of the meals, like 415 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: obviously I was choosing the healthier lower calorie ones, but 416 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: some of them on there were easily twelve hundred calories 417 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: like per meal are huge. So the first thing I 418 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: would say, because it was myself, David and his mum 419 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: as well using them. And then obviously Mea got little offcuts, 420 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: which she was in like twelve months so she didn't 421 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: need much. So we ordered meals for four people, we 422 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: would often get five to six serves out of them. 423 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: So often say, for example, we got the tacos right, 424 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: it would be three tacos per serve. Even when I 425 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: was pregnant, I was like, I can actually eat this 426 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: much like it was so much food. Like the portions 427 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: are generally really really large, So that's the first thing 428 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: I'd say that often the portion sizes can come down 429 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: quite a lot, and particular if you're trying to lose weight. 430 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: And the second thing that I realized Susie is that 431 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: they very much double up on a lot of the 432 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: macro nutrients. So there'll be two three four fat serves 433 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: in the meal. They'll use oil, they'll have bacon, they'll 434 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: have pesto, then they'll be cheese on top, or they'll 435 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: have two or three carves serves, so they'll have tacos 436 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: with wraps, and then they'll have sweet potato roasted and 437 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: corn in there as well. All they'll have you know, 438 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: a pasta with beans or legumes in there, and chicken 439 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: as well. So they're doubling up on different types of 440 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: macro nutrients. But particularly the fats was where I found 441 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: there was often you know, aoli in everything. There was 442 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: often cheese and everything. There was often you know, everything's 443 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: cooked with oil as well, and sometimes a protein isn't 444 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: as lean as what we would like. There was a 445 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: lot of chuzzo. There was a lot of bacon. There 446 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: was a lot of sausages options. The mince was never lean. 447 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: I would always cook the mince, kind of pour off 448 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: the fat and then put the mints back into a 449 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: meal of bowles, making like one of their say spaghetti 450 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: recipes for example. I would never just cook the mints 451 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: then dump in all the spaghetti and veggies as well. 452 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: I would always pour off the fat because the minces 453 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: always basically like the three Star kind of stuff with 454 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: coals and woolwas so it was never lean at all. 455 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: And I get it from a budget perspective, I get it, 456 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: but you just have to be very careful. If your 457 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: goal is weight loss and you're using some of these 458 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: meal kids, there are a lot of things that you 459 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: can do to swap and substitute, but as Sousi said, 460 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: it kind of defeats the purpose from a convenience perspective, 461 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: Like it's good and you know, at the time, David 462 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: was doing a lot of training and he was quite active, 463 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: so we would just give him like all of the 464 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: extra stuff those meals had. Often I wouldn't lather it 465 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: in aoli. Often if it had you know, chicken and bacon, 466 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have the bacon in my portion. I just 467 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: have the chicken. Those little things so they can work 468 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: from a family perspective, but when you're stirring them up 469 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: and making them into like one pot meals, it's really 470 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: hard to kind of get the nutrition that your body 471 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: will need, if that make sense. So try as much 472 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: as possible to kind of separate those meals out and 473 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: put it in the middle of the table so everybody 474 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: can take what they need from them, almost like deconstruct 475 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: the meal. Because I think if the goal is weight 476 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: loss and you're using those meals from a convenience or 477 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: a budgeting perspective for your family, you want to deconstruct 478 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: the meals as much as possible, so you can, you know, 479 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: choose one portion of carb one or two portions of 480 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: fat and add extra veggies to your food, whereas the 481 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: growing kids or teenagers might not need to do that. 482 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: So that's probably my biggest tip with these meal delivery 483 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: or meal kit options. I try to deconstruct them as 484 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: much as possible and pay attention to the ingredients because 485 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: often the calories a very, very high because a lot 486 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: of the egoid is a heavy fat, heavy protein type, 487 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: things are not as lean as what we would like. 488 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: And one thing I've been talking to clients about too 489 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: is I think sometimes people go for them because they're bored, 490 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: which I get. 491 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: You know, if you're cooking for a family, you just think, 492 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: oh what am I going to make this week? Like 493 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 3: it's food fatigue is real. 494 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: So I've been encouraging clients and said, you know, there 495 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: are so many free resources online, like just scroll through 496 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: my insta, scroll through your insta. 497 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: You know, we've got huge numbers, and it's. 498 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Got to taste dot com. There's millions of recipes or 499 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: taste dot com. 500 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: Haste dot com. 501 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: But even because the issue tastes dot com, it's hard 502 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: to find the healthier ones. But Csiro have got a 503 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: million low car recipes free, just go on their website, 504 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: so there's a million dieticians to put amazing recipes up. 505 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 2: So I think sometimes we're lacking inspiration because you can 506 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 2: go and buy a recipe book. Sure, but sometimes again 507 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 2: you flip through, there might be two or three you 508 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: actually like, and that's twenty thirty dollars. That's not well spent. 509 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: We will say we're doing a pery recipe book. Actually 510 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 2: that will come. 511 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: Out later this year because that's money well, because that's 512 00:20:59,320 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: a great one. 513 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: We're working on that at the moment. 514 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: But I think that you can easily if you can 515 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: dedicate half an hour an hour on the phone or 516 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: on the computer to go through and find some new ones. 517 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: Sometimes that's all we need. 518 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: We just need some inspiration, some different ideas, and that 519 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: will be a healthier way of doing it without Because 520 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: they're not inexpensive milk, it's. 521 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: Either so I think you can shop pretty smart, but 522 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: someone's yeah, we just. 523 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: Need a few different ideas or something to make to 524 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: get a bit more inspiration and energy around the nightly meal. 525 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: All right, Well, I found this. 526 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 2: Question on our Instagram page, so always put your questions through. 527 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: We get a lot and often we're just scrolling and 528 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 2: quickly find one and think, oh, that's a really good 529 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: one to comprom what we're talking about. 530 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: So our list of question of the week. And I 531 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: like it because I get this quite often with my 532 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: own clients and I'm interested to hear what Leanne thinks 533 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: about it. 534 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 4: So the question was our cheer puddings are good breakfast 535 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 4: choice because Leanne, I think again, sometimes clients get really 536 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 4: bored with eggs all the time, baked beans, maybe high 537 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 4: protein yoget smoothies, and we just want something different. 538 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: So I have certainly had clients who use chia. Now Chier, 539 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 2: if you haven't heard, is a super it's a greater 540 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: a seed. I think it's a seed which have got 541 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: a very high Amega three fat content of plant based 542 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: a Mega three and it was sort of a super 543 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 2: seed that came out about ten. 544 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 3: Fifteen years ago, and it's you can get the little 545 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 3: white ones. 546 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: It used to be in the orange packaging, but I 547 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: don't think that's the branding anymore. It tends to be 548 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: more in macro willies, and then there's the little brown seeds, 549 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: and what happens is when they're combined with liquid, it 550 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: forms like a jelatous kind of little seed pop that 551 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: people quite like. Now, Chia as a seed is very healthy. 552 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: It's one of the most nutritionally complete seeds you can find, 553 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: quite high in protein, zinc, a range of micronutrients, but 554 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: it's not high in protein for breakfast. So it's relatively 555 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: high in protein for a seed, but also quite high 556 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: in fat, so you can't just have endless amounts of it. 557 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 3: The calories go up. 558 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: So in answers to the question a cheer putting is 559 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: a good breakfast my answer would actually be no. I 560 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 2: don't think they are because to me, they don't tick 561 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: the nutritional boxes and they end up being two in protein, 562 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: too high in fat, not a whole lot of carbohydrate. 563 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: But I do use them with my clients as a 564 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: bit of a seasoning to add nutrition to a cereal bowl, 565 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: an oat bowl, a smoothie, a tea spoon, or of 566 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: chea seeds is a great addition of good fat. But no, 567 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: my answer is that a cheer pudding isn't a great 568 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: breakfast option. I think it's almost more like a dessert treat. 569 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: I'd probably use it as but I don't use it 570 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: a lot with my clients as my default, so I 571 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: thought i'd asked you you might be a bit more 572 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: familiar and use it more often. 573 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: I have said, agree, shop bought cheer puddings. I don't 574 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: ever recommend for my clients because, like you said, typically 575 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: they're a very vegan breakfast option, so they're very high 576 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: fat because a lot of times they'll use a bit 577 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: of that Coyo coconut yogurt as well. A lot of 578 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: times it's just cheesy. It's a bit of plant based 579 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: milk and a bit of honey, maybe a bit of 580 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: fruit on top or a bit of granola on top. 581 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: So they typically are quite high fat, high car very 582 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: low protein, so they don't tend to fool you for 583 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: as long as what you would like if you had 584 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: an adequate amount of protein. But I use them a 585 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: lot with my clients when I give them recipes for 586 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: cheer puddings, so I would be either add a bit 587 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: of protein powder through it, or adds some good quality 588 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: greek yogurt and rather than needing say a quarter of 589 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: a cup of cheer seeds, which is typically like you'd 590 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: need a few decent tablespoons of cheer seas to make 591 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: up a cheer pudding, I will use less, so I 592 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: might use two or three tablespoons and then use a 593 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: good chunk of Greek yogurt with that, a dash of 594 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: milk and a little maybe a tiny bit of honey 595 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: or a little bit of cinnamon or something like that, 596 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: or maybe a little bit of vanilla protein powder, a 597 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: plant based. One of my clients vegan and they want 598 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: to do that, so that way I'm boosting the protein. 599 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: I don't need as many cheer seeds because I'm a 600 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: massive cheer seed fan. But like you said, ZUZI to 601 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: achieve the protein amount we would like a meal just 602 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: using cheer seeds, you'd have to have so many of 603 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: them because it is quite a high fat, like a 604 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: cheer seed is predominantly a fat sauce. Yes, it has 605 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: protein in there, but it's predominantly classed as a fat 606 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: sauce because it is a seed. So I like them, 607 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: but I do think you have to add the protein 608 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: in there to make it a balanced breakfast option. 609 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: Look at that, we're just perfectly aligned as always I'm 610 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: just looking what happened to the Cheer company, because remember it. 611 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: Was in the bright orange bag, so if they were 612 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 3: heard they have a seed now, but it's still around. 613 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to quick look, but they're still around. Yeah, 614 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: they rebranded, it's just not as orange. 615 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: I think. I don't see it so often, but yeah, certainly. 616 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: I always see the Woolies Macro range. I see they're 617 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: very heavy white, and I think the question is also 618 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: often is the black or white better? 619 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 3: But my understanding is they're pretty identical nutritionally. Is that correct? 620 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, I just buy whatever's on sale when it 621 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: comes to Cheers, Sea's Like, I don't think any sort 622 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: of brands or types are better. I think they're fairly 623 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: similar nutrition wise. 624 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, perfect, wonderful. 625 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: Well that brings us to the end of the Nutrition 626 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: Couch for another Sunday. If you haven't done so already, 627 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: we would love if you could tell your friends and 628 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: family about us so they could listen in and learn 629 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: from us as well. And we have a few exciting 630 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: things coming up we wanted to let you guys know about. 631 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: We've got a few online events coming your way mid October. 632 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: So our first one is why weight part of the 633 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: putn it's on the psychology of the weight loss, Ous's idea, 634 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: brilliant love it and the second one is on women's 635 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: and hormones, so keep an eye out for that. We 636 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: will advertise them on our Instagram. 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Seven hours webinars live. 646 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: The event to Q and A, you know, just to 647 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 3: get people back into it. 648 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 2: Just be after school holidays, everyone's thinking about summer and 649 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 2: we haven't spoken to him for a while. 650 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: It's a year ago since we did our live tour. 651 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: We've had a few people asking, so we thought, well. 652 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 2: It's a good excuse from going up to Celia's new 653 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: house actually, and we're getting ready to shoot some recipes 654 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: for a book, so we thought, why not. 655 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: We'll do a live event and see if people. 656 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: Are keen love it all right, catch you guys in 657 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: next week's episode. 658 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 3: Have a great week.