1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Have you eaten protein bread before? Do you like it? 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: If you're a fan of all things protein, you may 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: have noticed that recently there's a few new protein breads 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: on the market, and we may have some issues with 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: a few of them. Hi, I'm leanne Ward and I'm 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: CUTI Borrow And every week we bring you the Nutrition Catch, 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: the biweekly podcast that keeps you up to date on 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: everything that you need to know in the world of 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: nutrition as well as all things protein bread. Today we 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: discussed popular meal kits and the things that you need 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: to look at for when making sure that you're using 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: the right one. And our listener question is all about 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: cheer and are they a good breakfast option? But giggs 14 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: up today, Susie. You had some thoughts about the Holgar's 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: new protein bread, but we will start by saying that 16 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: we really love Holger's as a brand. This is not 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: a dig at Holger's, but they have released a new 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: type of health protein wholemeal bread. And originally when you 19 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: sent me the photo, we had a bit of a 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: chuckle because we actually thought it was the Hemsworth Brothers 21 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: promoting it. We thought they had gotten celebrities on board, 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: but upon closer inspection zooming in. It was just a 23 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: Chris look alike, wasn't it Lucky? 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: I checked that before I got done the defamation on 25 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: the nutrition couch. My eyes aren't great at the best 26 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: of times, but I did. Honestly, when I sent it 27 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: to you thought it was the Hemsworth promoting protein bread. 28 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: And I thought, well, fair enough, but surely like you 29 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: make probably a bit more money as a Hollywood star. 30 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: So that was my error. And I as I get older, leanne. 31 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: And a bit more mellow and things don't irritate me 32 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: nutritionly as much as they once did. You know. 33 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: I remember when I was young and you would see 34 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 3: products that you know were a bit dodged. You know, 35 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: I'd get. 36 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: Inflamed and put it on social media and have a rant. 37 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: But this bothered me. 38 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: Now I am actually a big fan of the product 39 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 2: because Helgers have had a range of lower carb loaves. 40 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 4: For some time, and I have always been a big. 41 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: Fan because the Helger's bread as a brand is reasonably 42 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: big slice, which is perfect for people who have high 43 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: energy demand. So when they released a lower car range, 44 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: which came in at about sixteen eighteen twenty grams of 45 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: car purchase slices, not dissimilar to a bergen sweetly and 46 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: again a very good bread. I love it because it 47 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: meant my clients had access to a softer bread that 48 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: was great for sandwiches, whereas bergen can be a. 49 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: Bit chewy and bit better with toast. 50 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: So I've always loved the lower carb loabs. Now, a 51 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: couple of my clients had said to me about the 52 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: Helger's Protein bread, and I was like, what do you mean, Like. 53 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: Is it the lower carb one? 54 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: And so finally I picked up from this advertising and 55 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: I sent it straight to you because I said to you, 56 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: I think it's misleading because they're really heavily marketing this loaf, 57 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: which is the Helger's Health Protein wholemeal bread. So there's 58 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: a big protein on the front. So my clients who 59 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: are looking for protein bread and I'll talk about that 60 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: in a minute, will pick it up and think it's 61 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: protein bread. But on closer inspectionally and of the nutritionals, 62 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: you know ingredient wise, it's pretty clean. 63 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: You know. 64 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: I told me a wheat flour fifty percent soy protein 65 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: isolate to bump the protein. 66 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 3: Up a little bit. 67 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: But if I look at the actual overall protein per 68 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: serve it is eleven grams. Now, I want to be 69 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: very clear that, in my mind is a dietitian that 70 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: is not a protein bread because that is a typical 71 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: amount of protein in a whole grain bread. So, for example, 72 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: two slices of berg and soilin has more protein than 73 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: that at twelve point four grams. So I feel that 74 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: marketing a loaf that is not low carb high protein, 75 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: but just has a typical amount of protein, maybe tad 76 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: more because it's got a bit of soid protein isolate added, 77 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: but not as much as at berg and soilin is 78 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: confusing because a protein bread, as we've spoken about on 79 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: the Nutrition Couch before, is that newer range of breads 80 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 2: you can find in Audi. 81 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: The Herman Brock brand, Macro have Got one. 82 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: Bergen have Got a protein bread which is upwards of 83 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: twenty grams of protein per two slices, and the carbohydrates 84 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: are low, typically less than five grams. So I feel 85 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: this brand is writing off protein, almost masquerading as protein bread, 86 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: but it's not. It's a lower carb loaf that has 87 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: a typical amount of protein that's in a good quality 88 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: whole grain or in this instance, whole meal bread. 89 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: That's had a little bit of soy protein isolate added. 90 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: So I'm recommending it to my clients because my clients 91 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: who again need slightly lower carbohydrate loads, who like to 92 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: have a sandwich, you know, two slices of that Helger's loaf. 93 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: It's got twenty five grams of car very similar to 94 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: two sizes of bourbon soilin. It's a very strong bread nutritionally, 95 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 2: it's got almost five grams of fiber. 96 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: But I feel that marketing it like. 97 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: It is protein or higher protein than you would expect 98 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: in a bread is misleading because, as I said, there's 99 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: other typical breads on the supermarket who don't really mention protein, 100 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: which actually have more. 101 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: So I think it's really confusing, and it doesn't surprise 102 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: me that my core clients are confused. 103 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: You know, I have to get them to go and 104 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: photograph the bread because they'll write in their diary that 105 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: it's protein bread, and then I have to check because 106 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: it's fundamentally different nutritionals. You know, protein bread is typically 107 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: very high and very low in carbohydrates, so it fundamentally 108 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: changes the macronutrient intake. So yeah, I'm sort of a 109 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: bit you know, I think really you know, it's a 110 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: good bread, do you really need to highlight it in 111 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: that way? And I guess maybe maybe lower carb is 112 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: a message in supermarkets hasn't got the cut through, and 113 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: hence they're rather marketing its protein. 114 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: But we want to be very clear here on the 115 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 3: Nutrition couch. It is not protein bread. 116 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: It is a lower carb loaf that has a typical 117 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: amount of protein that you would find in two slices 118 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: of whole grain or whole wheat bread. 119 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: Well, definitely it's you know, higher protein than say two 120 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: slices of white bread, for example. But you know, if 121 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: you're looking at another good quality type of bread, like 122 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned the berg and soil in which as dietitians 123 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: we love that bread, so it is very similar to that. 124 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: So it's sort of sitting middle ground, isn't it just 125 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: higher than traditionally two bits of I don't know, a 126 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: crappier type of high you know, white bread or something. 127 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: But it's not what we would consider a protein bread. 128 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. What our clients will use protein 129 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: bread for is the amount of protein and a meal. 130 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: A lot of our clients are putting avocado water, a 131 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: little bit of peanut butter, on it, and yes, peanut 132 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: butter might have a little bit of protein, but you're 133 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: not getting a good twenty thirty gram whax. So when 134 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: we think it a nice breakfast option or where we 135 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: would use something like a protein bread ad, we ideally 136 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: want about twenty to thirty grams for most people protein 137 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: per meal. And if you're just taking some avocado or 138 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: putting a bit of veggimart and butter or a bit 139 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: of jam on your bread, you know, twelve grams in 140 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: two slices of bread isn't going to be enough. But 141 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: if you're putting something like eggs on or all that 142 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: sort of thing, sure of course you can boost it 143 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: up to the twenty grams. It's great. But as ZUSI 144 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: is that a lot of people are traditionally buying this 145 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: protein type of bread as the sole source of protein 146 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: in the meal, and it's just not high enough. So 147 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: they're sort of sitting in the middle. And that's I 148 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: guess where we have the problem with it. They shouldn't 149 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: be marketing as a protein bread because it's not. It 150 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: doesn't have as much as what you would want for 151 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: a well rounded, I guess, nutritionally balanced meal unless you're 152 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: putting additional protein on top, and to me, that kind 153 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: of defeats the purpose of buying a protein based bread. 154 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: If I was going to put eggs on it, if 155 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: I was going to put Cottag cheese on it, I 156 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: would just buy a normal type of bread. 157 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: Because if you had two slices of that bread, which 158 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: would come in still twenty five grams for calve, and 159 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 2: we're assuming you were getting all your protein, and then 160 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: you had it with jam or honey, you basically end 161 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: up with a very high carbohydrate, relatively low protein breakfast overall. 162 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: And I do I think it gets really like nutrition 163 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: is confusing enough for consumers, for our clients, you know, 164 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: as I said, I've got to go now and look 165 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: at these, you know, really check what bread it is, 166 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: because it will pull my poor clients or getting confused, 167 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: and it is confusing. So I think I'm thinking how 168 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: I would I can see why they're doing it. You know, protein, 169 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: we know is one of the high buzzwords in supermarket demand. 170 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: If you stick protein on something, everyone loves it, and 171 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: I can understand how lower carb perhaps wouldn't get cut through. 172 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 4: But I'm just thinking how I would have framed it. 173 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: I might have said, you know, teamed it together and 174 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: said rich in protein and lower in carbs. But I 175 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: certainly wouldn't have just highlighted the protein aspect of it. 176 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm sort of a bit disappointed because I 177 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: think it's you know, the big brands have got responsibility 178 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: to communicate clearly, and in that case, given there is 179 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: a whole growing skew of breads which are high protein brands, 180 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: which a plus grams per two slices, and you know, 181 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: I had to look at a few different loads for comparison, 182 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: like a tip top nine grain's got seven or eight 183 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: gram so that is only a couple of grams less 184 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: than this one that's been heavily marketed as protein or 185 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: burgen soilin's got more. So Yeah, it's it was a 186 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: really interesting one that had come up, and I'm sure 187 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: that it will do very well in supermarket, but certainly 188 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: it's not a bread that I would be saying to 189 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: my clients have with jam or honey by any means, 190 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: I would much steer them towards actually a protein loaf. 191 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: And we've mentioned some of those ones, which includes the 192 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: burgen protein. There's macro in wool worse, there's the Herman 193 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: Brot or the Aldi brand, and they're actually protein, high 194 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: protein breads, and typically it's safe to say lee and 195 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 2: a high protein bread should also be low carb. 196 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 3: So that's the difference. 197 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, taking magnifying glass to the supermarket because you've. 198 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: Got to work through it and differentiate yourself. 199 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: It doesn't certainly doesn't make it easy for consumers, does it. 200 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we're definitely not saying this is a bad bread, 201 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: not by any means, but just treat it like a 202 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: regular piece of bread. Just don't go, well, this is 203 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: a great protein bread. I'm just gonna put whatever I 204 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: want in it and hit my protein requirements of the day. 205 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: So we're definitely not having a go at Helga's all 206 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: this bread. In general, it's a wonderfully nutritious homeal bread. 207 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely go and buy it, but just don't be of 208 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: the opinion that it's got all of your protein needs 209 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: in there. That's all that we're saying. So it's really 210 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: again how brands market things to you. And as we 211 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: recalled this, we do our podcast a little bit in advance, 212 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: and today at the supermarket, SUSI I saw something I 213 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: was buying me as obsessed with raisin toast at the moment. 214 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes to briber into the prean, we give her a 215 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: little bit of raisin toast in the morning so we 216 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: can go for our walk. And I picked up the 217 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: I think it was a Tiptop brand and had no 218 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: added sugar on it, and I thought, oh, this is good, Like, 219 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: no added sugar, raisin toast great. And I normally, from 220 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: a budgeting perspective, we'll just buy the Coals brand of 221 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: raisin toast. And I looked at it and I compared 222 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: both nutritional labels, and the Coals brand was not only cheaper, 223 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: but lower sugar than the tip Top one that was 224 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: no added sugar, And I was like, go figure. So 225 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: just another friendly reminder that it's really important to read 226 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: your nutrition labels out there. You can't just pick up 227 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: something because it's got front of pack marketing and it 228 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: says high protein, low carb, low sugar and expect that 229 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: to be the best product in the range. You have 230 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: to know how to read and decipher your nutrition labels, 231 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: because I. 232 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: Would have said when you were describing it, well, raisin 233 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: toast shouldn't have sugar added. Anyway, there's a common belief 234 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: that bread has sugar added and nineteen nine percent will not. 235 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 2: And I was going to say to you, I wouldn't 236 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: have thought raisin toast should have sugar added anyway. 237 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: But just shows the power of marketing. 238 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: And just as you know you're dealing with in food industry, 239 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: you know there's a hierarchy if you think about there's 240 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: a handful of big brands who control the food supply 241 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: in Australia, and you get young marketers who are done 242 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: ho and they're keen as to sell more products. You know, 243 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: they're fresh added UNI and they're excited, they want to 244 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: impress their bosses and they come up with these great 245 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: taglines but no offense. They couldn't care less really about 246 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: anyone's nutrition. It's the dietitians internally who are constantly battling 247 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 2: with the marketers to you know, not be misleading. And 248 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: I'm sure the Hellger's dietitians were not overly happy, and 249 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure that Tip Top dietitians were probably not overly 250 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: happy either that they bug that on. Given that bread 251 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: shouldn't have sugar added anyway, so you do have to 252 00:10:59,000 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: take it with. 253 00:10:59,320 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 3: A grain of salt. 254 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 4: And that's why you need the nutrition couch in your. 255 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: Life, because we will always tell you exactly what the 256 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: science is showing one. 257 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: Hundred percent, will always keep it real. And my favorite 258 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: thing about how you said, let's talk about this bread 259 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: because it's so misleading. The first thing I thought when 260 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: you sent me that photo was, oh, it's so misleading 261 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: because they zoomed and I thought, that is not Chris Hemsworth. 262 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: That's misleading. That's exactly what I thought you were talking about. 263 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, let's talk about misleading brands using 264 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: celebrities who weren't actually aren't actually even celebrities. So other 265 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: that was very amusing. 266 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, using celebrities to sell nutrition products and 267 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: marketing on the nutrition is misleading because the celebrities don't 268 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: know the science and if they're promoting something decent or not. 269 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: So that's another issue I have too. But the fact 270 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: it wasn't the hems Worst it's funny enough, But I 271 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: wonder how many people did think it was the hems Worth, 272 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: so that again, surely that's it wasn't by chance that 273 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: they look like the hems Worth. 274 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: Everyone's just going to go look at that ad and 275 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: be like, go Leana Susia is so blind. 276 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, I think anyway, the whole thing 277 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: it's just doesn't leave a great taste, but it is 278 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: actually a pretty good bread. 279 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: But you need to add. 280 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: Protein to it, which means you need it with your eggs, 281 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: as you said, your cottage cheese to complete the meal. 282 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: All right, Moving on healthy meal kits. So, when we 283 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: were building out our SUSI, which was a two year process, 284 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm so glad we're in the new house now. It 285 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: was a very very long time. We were very fortunately, 286 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: very grateful to live with the family, and just due 287 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: to the business of you know, work life, kids, that 288 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: sort of thing, we were using some meal kits for 289 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: a while. We have done HelloFresh and we've done new foods, 290 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: so there are a lot of meal kits out there, 291 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: and we get quite a lot of questions on the 292 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: nutrition couch about which one's the best one, which one's healthy, 293 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: which one's going to suit the family the best, and 294 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: particularly with the rising cost of groceries at the moment, 295 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: some of these milk kits aren't actually a bad idea 296 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: from a budgeting perspective. But I will say, after using 297 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: them for quite a while, I'd say we probably use 298 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: them for the better part of a year or more. 299 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: Not every day, but we would get about three meals 300 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: delivered a week just to save us running back and 301 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: forth to the grocery store and that sort of thing. 302 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: And what I was finding, Susie is that they had 303 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: the same vegetables every time. It was like always carriage, 304 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: it was always spinach, it was always zucchini. There was 305 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: rarely ever any mushroom. There was rarely ever any capsick. 306 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: So you do have to sort of be careful with 307 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: these meal kits because it's very hard to get diversity 308 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: in your diet because they will obviously tend to go 309 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: for the cheaper and more budget products, so you tend 310 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: to get, you know, chicken everything, unless you're for something else, 311 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: you tend to get you know, a lot of heavy rice, 312 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: heavy passes because obviously from a budgeting perspective, it's a 313 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: lot more affordable. So there are some good meal kits available, 314 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: but I really think it comes down to what you're 315 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: using it for as a family. How do you feel 316 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: about meal kits, Susi? For your clients, Well, it came to. 317 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: Mind because I had just started working with a new 318 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: client and she sent me her food diaries and she 319 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 2: sent me the I think it was hollow fresh, the 320 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: list of meals that she had to get through in 321 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: her house before she sort of officially focused. 322 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 3: On her new program. 323 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: And when I saw the nutritional labors, almost had a 324 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: heart attack because I had sort of been aware from 325 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 2: the past that the meal kits were tending on the 326 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: side of high calorie meals, and I think the ones 327 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: she said it was like eight hundred calories for the dinners, 328 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: and it just reminded me that, yeah, in many cases, 329 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: I know a couple of them do have lower calorie 330 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: options on some of the choices, but on. 331 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 4: The whole they are high calorie. 332 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 3: Well are they high? 333 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: They're certainly not calories that are necessarily supportive of a 334 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 2: calorie deficit. I find the meals ranged between five to 335 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: eight hundred, even up to one thousand calories, which is 336 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: high for a small female, and it's high for several reasons. 337 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: It's high because they're often filling them out with white wraps, 338 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: you know, when you have the Mexican they put the 339 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: white raps in there, or they do quite a lot 340 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: of rice based dishes or noodles. 341 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: And then the cuts of meat aren't. 342 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: Always overly lean, so you'll end up with things like 343 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: chicken thigh or fattier cups of mints or pork. And 344 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: there's a reason, as you describe, they do that, Lee, 345 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: and they do it because they have to make it affordable, 346 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: and at the moment, particularly, the cost of food is 347 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: so expensive, they wouldn't be able to reach their target 348 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: pricing and profit margins if they put in you know, 349 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: top five star mints or as you said, the sort 350 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: of more obscure vegetables which are a lot more pricey. 351 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: So I understand how. 352 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: It works, but I'm probably going to go out on 353 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: a limb here and say I. 354 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 4: Don't think necessarily they're a healthy choice. 355 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: I find that they're high in salt, there's a lot 356 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: of sources, they're generally high in fat. They're way too 357 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: high in calories for most of my clients. So then 358 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: you have to sort of say to the girls, well 359 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: can you take out the wrap or the rise. 360 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: And then add more veggies. And I think, well, it 361 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: defeats the purpose of having a meal kit because you're 362 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: starting to engineer it so much. 363 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: Now I'm about to do a formal review of them 364 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: for an article for news dot com, so I'm going 365 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: to go through them again, because admittedly I haven't seen 366 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: some of them for quite some time. So I'll take 367 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: a look at Dinnerly Maali Spoon, Hello Fresh, and I 368 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: believe light and easy. 369 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: I've got a new range of meal. 370 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: Kits as well, so I'm going to have another look 371 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: and I'll come back to you. But in general, eight 372 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: hundred calorie dinners are way too high for small females, particularly. 373 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: Those who are wanting to lose weight. 374 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: So if you do utilize meal kits from a budget perspective, 375 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: or you've got some vouchers, or you just find they're easier, 376 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: if you've got the opportunity to go and select the 377 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: lower calorie options, I would absolutely be doing that, but 378 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: just be mindful. If you have a quick scan and 379 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: the information is freely available, I would just argue sometimes 380 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: you better to get the pre made salad or stir 381 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: fry veggie bag from the supermarket. Some of the pre 382 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: done chickens that we're talking about in the freezer section, 383 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: which are like ten dollars. 384 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: The pre made salad bag for less than twenty dollars, you're. 385 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: Going to feed at least two, if not more, people, 386 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: and it's a lot healthier. So I think they associate 387 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: with health and I don't necessarily think they always tick 388 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: the box. 389 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 4: And I had spoken many years ago to one of them. 390 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: About improving the nutritionals because I was saying, look, I 391 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: can't give these to my clients, the nutritionals. They're too 392 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: high in carb, they're too low in protein, they're too 393 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: high in calories. And the feedback was they actually couldn't 394 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: change the model because some of them are international brands 395 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: and that's what they are aligned to. They don't get 396 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: the freedom to go and make it because it's supply 397 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: chain and it's what the formula is and it's what 398 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: the brand is. They don't have capacity to individualize it. 399 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, it is a bit misleading. 400 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: They're healthy. 401 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: I think they're convenient for some people, and they offer 402 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: variety some people are looking for. But I would question 403 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: sometimes if they're actually picking the box and what we 404 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: would define as healthy and balanced and calorie control. 405 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think my experience using them for you know, 406 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: over a year, what I found, Susie, and what makes 407 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: the calories so high and some of the meals, like 408 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: obviously I was choosing the healthier, lower calorie ones, but 409 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: some of them on there were easily twelve hundred calories 410 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: like per meal are huge. So the first thing I 411 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: would say, because it was myself, David and his mum 412 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: as well using them. And then obviously Mea got little offcuts, 413 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: which she was in like twelve months so she didn't 414 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: need much. So we ordered meals for four people, we 415 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: would often get five to six serves out of them. 416 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: So often say, for example, we got the tacos right, 417 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: it would be three tacos per serve. Even when I 418 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: was pregnant, I was like, I can actually eat this 419 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: much like it was so much food. Like the portions 420 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: are generally really really large, So that's the first thing 421 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: I'd say that often the portion sizes can come down 422 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: quite a lot, and particularly be trying to lose weight. 423 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: And the second thing that I realized, Susie is that 424 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: they very much double up on a lot of the 425 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: macro nutrients. So there'll be two three four fat serves 426 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: in the meal. They'll use oil, they'll have bacon, they'll 427 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: have pesto, then they'll be cheese on top. All they'll 428 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: have two or three carb serves. So they'll have tacos 429 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: with wraps, and then they'll have sweet potato roasted and 430 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: corn in there as well. All they'll have you know, 431 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: a pasta with beans or legumes in there, and chicken 432 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: as well. So they're doubling up on different types of macronutrients. 433 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: But particularly the fats was where I found there was 434 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: often you know, aoli in everything. There was often cheese 435 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: and everything. There was often you know, everything's cooked with 436 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: oil as well, and sometimes a protein isn't as lean 437 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: as what we would like. There was a lot of chuzzo, 438 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: There was a lot of bacon, There was a lot 439 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: of sausages options, and the mince was never lean. I 440 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: would always cook the mince, kind of pour off the 441 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: fat and then put the mints back into a meal 442 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: of bowls, making like one of their say, spaghetti recipes 443 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: for example. I would never just cook the mints then 444 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: dump in all the spaghetti and veggies as well. I 445 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: would always pour off the fat because some minces always 446 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: basically like the three Star kind of stuff with coals 447 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: and wolwas so it was never lean at all. And 448 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: I get it from a budgeting perspective, I get it, 449 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: but you just have to be very careful if your 450 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: goal is weight loss and you're using some of these 451 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: meal kits. There are a lot of things that you 452 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: can do to swap and substitute, but as Sushi said, 453 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: it kind of defeats the purpose from a convenience perspective, 454 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: Like it's good and you know, at the time, David 455 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: was doing a lot of training and he was quite active, 456 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: so we would just give him like all of the 457 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: extra stuff those meals had. Often I wouldn't lather it 458 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: in aoli. Often if it had you know, chicken and bacon, 459 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have the bacon in my portion. I'd just 460 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: have the chicken. Those little things so they can work 461 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: from a family perspective, but when you're stirring them up 462 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: and making them into like one pot meals, it's really 463 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: hard to kind of get the nutrition that your body 464 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: will need, if that make sense. So try as much 465 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: as possible to kind of separate those meals out and 466 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: put it in the middle of the table so everybody 467 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: can take what they need from them, almost like deconstruct 468 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: the meal. Because I think if the goal is weight 469 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: loss and you're using those meals from a convenience or 470 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: a budgeting perspective for your family, you want to deconstruct 471 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: the meals as much as possible, so you can, you know, 472 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: choose one portion of carb one or two portions of 473 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: fat and add extra veggies to your food, whereas the 474 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: growing kids or teenagers might not need to do that. 475 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: So that's probably my biggest tip with these meal delivery 476 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: or meal kit options. I try to deconstruct them as 477 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: much as possible and pay attention to the ingredients because 478 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: often the calories are very very high because a lot 479 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: of the egred is a heavy fat, heavy protein type 480 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: things are not as lean as what we would like. 481 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: And one thing I've been talking to clients about too, 482 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: is I think sometimes people go for them because they're born, 483 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 2: which I get. 484 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 4: You know, if you're cooking for a family, you. 485 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 3: Just think, oh what am I going to make this week? 486 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 3: Like it's food fatigue is real. 487 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: So I've been encouraging clients and said, you know, there 488 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: are so many free resources online, like just scroll through 489 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: my insta, scroll through your insta. 490 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 3: You know, we've got huge numbers, and it's. 491 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: Got to taste dot com. There's millions of recipes or 492 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: taste dot com. 493 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: Haste dot com. 494 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: But even because the issue tastes dot com. It's hard 495 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: to find the healthier ones. But csiro have got a 496 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: million low car recipes free, just go on their website, 497 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: so there's a million dieticians to put amazing recipes up. 498 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: So I think sometimes we're lacking. 499 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: Inspiration because you can go and buy a recipe book, sure, 500 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: but sometimes again you flip through, there might be two 501 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 2: or three you actually like, and that's twenty thirty dollars. 502 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: That's not well spent. We will say we're doing a 503 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: pery recipe book. Actually that will come out later this. 504 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: Year because that's money well, because that's a great one. 505 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 3: We're working on that at the moment. But I think 506 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 3: that you can easily if you can dedicate half an 507 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: hour and hour. 508 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 4: On the phone or on the computer to go through 509 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 4: and find some new ones. 510 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: Sometimes that's all we need. 511 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: We just need some inspiration, some different ideas, and that 512 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: will be a healthier way of doing it without because 513 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: they're not inexpensive milk kits either, so I think you 514 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: can shop pretty smart. 515 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 3: But someone's yeah, we just need a few. 516 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: Different ideas or something to make to get a bit 517 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: more inspiration and energy around. 518 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: The nightly meal. 519 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I found this question on our Instagram page, 520 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: So always put your question through. We get a lot 521 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: and often we're just scrolling and quickly find one and think, oh, 522 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: that's a really good one to comprom what we're talking about. 523 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 2: So our list of question of the week. And I 524 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: like it because I get this quite often with my 525 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: own clients, and I'm interested to hear what Leanne thinks 526 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: about it. So the question was our cheer puddings are 527 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: good breakfast choice because Leanne, I think again, sometimes clients 528 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: get really bored with eggs all the time, baked beans, 529 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: maybe high protein yo get smoothies, and we just want 530 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: something different. So I have certainly had clients who use chia. 531 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 2: Now chia, if you haven't heard, is a super it's 532 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: a greater seed. 533 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: I think it's a seed which got a very high. 534 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: Amega three fat content of plant based a Mega three 535 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: and it was sort of a super seed that came 536 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: out about ten fifteen years ago. 537 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: And it's you can get the little white ones. 538 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: It we used to be in the orange packaging, but 539 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: I don't think that's the branding anymore. 540 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: It tends to be more in macro willies. And then 541 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 3: there's the little brown seeds. 542 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: And what happens is when they combined with liquid, it 543 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: forms like a jelatous kind of little seed pop that 544 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: people quite like. 545 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: Now. 546 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 4: Chia as a seed is very healthy. 547 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: It's one of the most nutritionally complete seeds you can find, 548 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 2: quite high in protein, zinc, a range of micronutrients, but 549 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: it's not high in protein for breakfast. So it's relatively 550 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: high in protein for a seed, but also quite high 551 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: in fat, so you. 552 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 3: Can't just have endless amounts of that. The calories go up. 553 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: So in answers to the question a cheer putting is 554 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: a good breakfast my answer would actually be no. I 555 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 2: don't think they are because to me, they don't tick 556 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: the nutritional boxes and they end up being two in protein, 557 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: too high in fat, not a whole lot of carbohydrate. 558 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: But I do use them with my clients as a 559 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: bit of a seasoning to add nutrition to a cereal bowl, 560 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: an oat bowl, a smoothie, a tea spoon, or of chea. 561 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 3: Seeds is a great addition of good fat. 562 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: But no, my answer is that a cheer pudding isn't 563 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: a great breakfast option. I think it's almost more like 564 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: a dessert treat. I'd probably use it as but I 565 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: don't use it a lot with my clients as my default, 566 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: so I thought i'd asked you you might be a 567 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 2: bit more familiar and use it more often. 568 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: I have said, agree, shop bought cheer puddings. I don't 569 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: ever recommend for my clients because, like you said, typically 570 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: they're a very vegan breakfast option, so they're very high 571 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: fat because a lot of times they'll use a bit 572 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: of that Coyo coconut yogurt as well. A lot of 573 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: times it's just cheesey. It's a bit of plant based 574 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: milk and a bit of honey, maybe a bit of 575 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: fruit on top or a bit of granola on top. 576 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: So they typically are quite high fat, high car very 577 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: low protein, so they don't tend to fool you for 578 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: as long as what you would like if you had 579 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: an adequate amount of protein. But I use them a 580 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: lot with my clients when I give them recipes for 581 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: cheer puddings, so I would be either add a bit 582 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: of protein powders through it, or adds some good quality 583 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: greek yogurt and rather than needing say a quarter of 584 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: a cup of cheer seeds, which is typically like you'd 585 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: need a few decent tablespoons of cheer seas to make 586 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: up a cheer pudding. I will use less, so I 587 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: might use two or three tablespoons, and then use a 588 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: good chunk of Greek yogurt with that, a dash of 589 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: milk and a little maybe a tiny bit of honey 590 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: or a little bit of cinnamon or something like that, 591 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: or maybe a little bit of vanilla protein powder, a 592 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: plant based. One of my clients vegan and they want 593 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: to do that, so that way I'm boosting the protein. 594 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: I don't need as many cheer seeds because I'm a 595 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: massive cheer seed fan. But like you said, ZUZI to 596 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: achieve the protein amount we would like an meal just 597 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: using cheer seeds, you'd have to have so many of 598 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: them because it is quite a high fat. Like a 599 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: cheer seed is predominantly a fat sauce. Yes, it has 600 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: protein in there, but it's predominantly classed as a fat 601 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: sauce because it is a seed. So I like them, 602 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: but I do think you have to add the protein 603 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: in there to make it a balanced breakfast option. 604 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: Look at that, We're just perfectly aligned. 605 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: As always, I'm just looking what happened to the Cheer 606 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: company because remember it was in. 607 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 4: The bright orange bag, so they were hard they ever 608 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 4: see it now, but it's still around. 609 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 3: I'm trying to quick look. 610 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: But they're still around. Yeah, they rebranded, it's just not 611 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: as orange. 612 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 2: I think I don't see it so often, but yeah, certainly, 613 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: I always see the Woollies Macro range. I see they're 614 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: very heavily white, and I think the question is also 615 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: often is the black or white better? 616 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 4: But my understanding is they're pretty identical nutritionally. Is that correct? 617 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 618 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: Honestly, I just buy whatever's on sale when it comes 619 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: to Cheers, Sea's Like, I don't think any sort of 620 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: brands or types are better. I think they're fairly similar 621 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: nutrition wise. 622 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, perfect, wonderful. 623 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: Well that brings us to the end of the Nutrition 624 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: Couch for another Sunday. If you haven't done so already, 625 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: we would love if you could tell your friends and 626 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: family about us so they could listen in and learn 627 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: from us as well. And we have a few exciting 628 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: things coming up we wanted to let you guys know about. 629 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: We've got a few online events coming your way mid October. 630 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: So our first one is why wait. Part of the partner. 631 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: It's on the psychology of the weight loss obviously the 632 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: idea brilliant and love it. And the second one is 633 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: on women's and hormones, so keep an eye out for that. 634 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: We will advertise them on our Instagram. We're going to 635 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: do them live. There'll be Q and A's at the end, 636 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: and you can also purchase a pre recorded sorry, a 637 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: pre recorded thing of that afterwards as well, so you 638 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: can listen in anywhere around the world. It's not just 639 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: for Australians, it'll be for all of our international listeners 640 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: as well, and it'll be very nutrition and health evidence 641 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: based focused. Like Susie and I always ask, we can't 642 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: wait to bring you those little online what are you 643 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: calling them? Seven hours webinars live the. 644 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 2: Event to Q and A, you know, just to get 645 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: people back into it. Just be after the school holidays, 646 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: everyone's thinking about summer. 647 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we haven't spoken to you for a while. It's 648 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: a year ago since we did our live tour. 649 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 4: We've had a few people asking, so we thought, well, 650 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 4: it's a. 651 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: Good excuse from going up to Celia's new house actually, 652 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: and we're getting ready to shoot some recipes for a book, 653 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: so we thought why not, we'll do a live event 654 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 2: and see if. 655 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: People are keen love it all right, catch you guys 656 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: in next week's episode. 657 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 3: Have a great week.