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Speaker 1: Wanting me in the studio right now is the opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leo fanocchi Airo.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Leah, Good morning Katie and your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what bit of a change of

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Speaker 1: tact I think you'd have to say by the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister just a short time ago after really revealing no

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Speaker 1: detail about the police commissioners for the former police commissioner's payer,

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Speaker 1: and we are still none the wiser as to how

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Speaker 1: much it's going to cost. But the Chief Minister saying, well,

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Speaker 1: sort of the opposite to what we heard last week,

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Speaker 1: that she is prepared to provide a treasurer's advance if

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Speaker 1: required to the Northern Territory Police if they are out

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Speaker 1: of pocket as a result of this payer.

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Speaker 3: Well, we know they are out of pocket, Katie, and

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Speaker 3: the treasurer. When it pains to tell me why they

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Speaker 3: couldn't get a treasure as advanced, the Police Minister said

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Speaker 3: she would not be asking for a treasure as advanced.

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Speaker 2: And so it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Now on radio that the Chief Ministry is making comments

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Speaker 3: about it, because she certainly didn't say that in front

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Speaker 3: of me yesterday during estimates. So again, this is a

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Speaker 3: Chief Minister whose sole purpose in life is to manage

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Speaker 3: the media, not the territory, and I think it's all

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Speaker 3: bluff and bluster after what has been a very bad

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Speaker 3: fortnight for the Labor government.

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Speaker 1: So do you reckon that they're actually going to be

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Speaker 1: prepared to top up the budget if needed.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't have any confidence in that whatsoever. This

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Speaker 3: budget we saw a measly one point eight million dollar

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Speaker 3: increase in territory funds to the police budget, despite the

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Speaker 3: high rates of attrition, the overworking of our police, and

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Speaker 3: of course the insane levels of crime. And now this

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Speaker 3: impact to the bottom line on police in the Chalker

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Speaker 3: payout is just another blow to our cops who are

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Speaker 3: beside themselves trying to fight the good fight and keep

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Speaker 3: themselves sane. It's just an untenable situation for our community

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Speaker 3: to be in. And yesterday in estimates, the Chief Minister

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Speaker 3: made it very clear that crime is not her responsibility.

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Speaker 1: Leah, why do you think that Territorians deserve to know

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Speaker 1: how much this payout has.

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Speaker 3: Cost because the community feel, you know, it is their money,

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Speaker 3: you know they have ownership over it. Of course, I

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Speaker 3: think the predominant reason is because it was a Natasha

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Speaker 3: Files's bungle. If there had been a better process or

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Speaker 3: performance management process or any of these other things, then

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't be a payout. But because it was clearly bungled,

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Speaker 3: the taxpayer is now on the hook. And to have

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Speaker 3: the price has just captured people because territories feel so

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Speaker 3: bad for our police who go out every day to

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Speaker 3: protect us. They're not supported by the government and now

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Speaker 3: this is just another.

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Speaker 2: Blow to them. It's just more buck passing.

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Speaker 3: And we saw that yesterday the Chief Minister, when at

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Speaker 3: absolved herself of all responsibility for crime and any action

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Speaker 3: you would expect from your leader to deal with it.

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Speaker 2: So it was very disappointing to see the least.

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Speaker 1: Another important piece of information which was claimed and I

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Speaker 1: asked the Chief Minister about this as well. Is that

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Speaker 1: revelation that you guys made from estimates that police have

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Speaker 1: worked one hundred and fifty nine thousand hours of overtime

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Speaker 1: in the financial year to March thirty one. Now, the

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Speaker 1: Police Association President Nathan finn says that that's on average

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Speaker 1: five hundred and eighty hours per day. If you divide

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Speaker 1: seventy two additional officers are needed each day to meet

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Speaker 2: How soon?

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Speaker 1: And I know you guys have pushed for a review,

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Speaker 1: but let's step away from that for a sec. How

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Speaker 1: soon do you think that this review that has been

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Speaker 3: It needed to be done years ago, Katie, it could

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Speaker 3: be done immediately. This is something we asked the Police

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Speaker 3: Minister about again. They're relying on some sort of new

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Speaker 2: I mean police Jason.

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Speaker 1: Finn said that that is not required. He said you

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Speaker 1: good period of time to gauge would be April May June.

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Speaker 1: So going back and looking at those months up until

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Speaker 2: Let's start the review in July.

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Speaker 3: This is a nonsense and what we've seen over the

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Speaker 3: I feel really bad for you because this is a

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Speaker 3: You've got the Chief Minister making it sound like they

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Speaker 3: a day, it is not rocket science. You get someone

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Speaker 3: They come in, they look at everything and they make

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Speaker 3: want to give someone so that it's a carefully scripted review.

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Speaker 3: This needs to be open up the doors, turn the

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Speaker 3: our police so we can have a strong community and

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair enough call.

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Speaker 1: Now overnight, Samara Lavity, Decklon Lavity's mum has taken to

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Speaker 1: is questioning why the Chief Minister is not doing more

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Speaker 1: around bail laws. Leah, have you seen that post?

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Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking, gut wrenching, and I've spoken to Samara Lavity

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Speaker 3: many times and this is just this situation of escalating

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Speaker 3: crime across the territory is not okay. The increases in

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Speaker 3: and your listeners are acutely aware. People are changing how

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Speaker 2: Will I bring the kids?

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Speaker 3: You know, they're really every facet of our lives is

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Speaker 2: Them in my room?

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Speaker 3: You know, these are the conversations I have with the community.

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Speaker 3: And so when Declan was killed, Natasha Files came out

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Speaker 3: the issue around stamping out knife crime? I asked her repeatedly.

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Speaker 3: They were my first questions to her yesterday around you know,

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Speaker 2: Have you stamped out knife crime? Where is this policy

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Speaker 3: You know, she used those famous comments around we want

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Speaker 3: I asked her, do you think it's taken hold? She

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Speaker 3: worse was that she explained that she's now taking all

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Speaker 2: So it's not even her responsibile.

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Speaker 1: So, Leiah, you obviously think there needs to be some

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Speaker 1: really serious change when it comes to bail. You've spoken

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Speaker 1: exactly what you want to see when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the bail change. We don't believe that if you are

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Speaker 1: And what we want to see is serious violent offenders,

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Speaker 2: You know you can.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if there's a weapon or not. If

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Speaker 2: You start with.

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Speaker 1: The comment that she said that it's police who decide.

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Speaker 3: This is a government again blaming police for their own failures.

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Speaker 2: It is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the police don't decide whether that person

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Speaker 3: All police can only bail someone if they comply with

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Speaker 2: And the laws are broken.

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Speaker 3: They are broken, just like territorians are on this issue.

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Speaker 3: This is the person who's sole job is to keep

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Speaker 1: So you want the lord to change so that it's

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: We want to make it easier for police and the

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Speaker 2: Remind people on custody.

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Speaker 3: Make it easier so that that criminal rocks up and

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Speaker 1: Lea, we are going to have to get ready to

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Speaker 1: wrap up. We've got the Lord Mayor just outside waiting

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Speaker 1: for his turn to come in. And I know you've

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Speaker 1: got to get two budget estimates. Hey, it's being reported

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Speaker 1: obviously that the i CAAC is more than a million

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Speaker 1: Chief finisters saying this morning it is not a reduction.

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Speaker 1: There was always going to be additional funding in those

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Speaker 2: Do you think that this is do you know lock?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this? Do you actually think

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Speaker 1: that the IKAK needs further funding?

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon needs to happen here?

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Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't even just the ik We had all

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Speaker 3: this government is not giving them the capability to investigate

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Speaker 3: what they need to shows that this government will stop

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Speaker 3: at nothing to shut down any scrutiny on their performance.

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Speaker 1: Leah Finocchiaro, thank you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: We'll let you get into back into budget estimates, no

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Speaker 1: doubt we'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: Again, So thank you, take care, Thank you,