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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 2: The time poor parent who just once answers now.

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Speaker 1: Kylie now, and then on TikTok, amazing things pop up,

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Speaker 1: all things that well, they grab my attention. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's the whole idea of TikTok, right attention grabbing. Something

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Speaker 1: really important for every parent and I'm going to play

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Speaker 1: it for you now. It goes for just over two

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Speaker 1: and a half minutes, but there is just some gold

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Speaker 1: in here for every parent who has a child who

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Speaker 1: is stressed out, anxious, worried, fearful, apprehensive, or feeling like

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Speaker 1: life is too hard.

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Speaker 3: This video is a response to the below comment Today's youth,

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Speaker 3: poisoned by affluence and overprotective parents has crippled their durability

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Speaker 3: and motivation. Very sad, but predictable. I want to share

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Speaker 3: some information that gives a different perspective on what durability

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Speaker 3: and resilience really mean. Roughly twenty years ago, an episode

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Speaker 3: of Good Morning America featured a live experiment. A scientist

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Speaker 3: named Rick Snyder appeared with a cold presser tank, which

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Speaker 3: is a device that uses ice water to measure someone's

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Speaker 3: pain tolerance, Snyder challenged three men to hold their hands

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Speaker 3: underwater for as long as they could. Now. Prior to

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Speaker 3: the taping, he had given each of them a short questionnaire,

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Speaker 3: and unbeknownst to the participants, he used their answers to

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Speaker 3: predict which one of them would be first, second, and

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Speaker 3: the experiment, Snyder revealed that his predictions turned out to

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Speaker 3: be correct. How did he know who would last the longest?

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Speaker 3: Rick Snider was the world's first researcher to begin studying hope. Now,

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Speaker 3: before we get into what it actually means to be hopeful,

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Speaker 3: here's some statistics that have been shown consistently across many

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Speaker 3: hundreds of studies on the subject. Hopeful people outperform their

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Speaker 3: peers in just about every metric, school performance, athletic performance,

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Speaker 3: climbing up the career ladder, responding to cancer treatment, trauma recovery,

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Speaker 3: meaning literally any challenge tested. As for the ice water experiment,

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Speaker 3: hopeful people have a higher pain threshold, which is how

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Speaker 3: Rick Snyder, using a questionnaire that measured each participants level

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Speaker 3: of hope, was able to predict who would last the longest.

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Speaker 3: So what is hope? There are two requirements to meet

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Speaker 3: the scientific definition. Number one, you have to be able

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Speaker 3: to see a path to where you want to go. So,

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Speaker 3: for example, having a goal to make more money isn't

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Speaker 3: useful unless you can actually see a way for you

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Speaker 3: to believe that your personal effort plays an important role

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Speaker 3: in bringing about the results. This only happens from lived experience.

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Speaker 3: For example, if you set a goal to get an

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Speaker 3: A on a test and you study really hard, your

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Speaker 3: hope will increase if you get an A, but it

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Speaker 3: will likely decrease if you don't get an A after

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Speaker 3: putting in that work. So we need to experience success

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Speaker 3: in order to believe in ourselves. This requires starting with

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Speaker 3: small achievable things and working our way up to more

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Speaker 3: difficult goals. So cultivating high hope is what creates people

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Speaker 3: this is done through repeated goal setting followed by achievement.

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Speaker 3: Affluents and overparenting don't make people less tough. That's what

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Speaker 3: hopelessness does. If we want to raise people who can persevere,

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Speaker 3: the only thing we need to do is help them

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Speaker 3: personally and consistently experience the power of hope for themselves.

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Speaker 3: This means not overburdening them with challenges that are beyond

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Speaker 3: results in lower levels of hope, not increased levels of resiliency.

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Speaker 3: Hope is essential for overcoming hostables, and humans need love, patience,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Kylie, there's a lot of information in there. I

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Speaker 1: think we need to break it down because when kids

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Speaker 1: it shows that a lot of them are feeling hopeless.

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Speaker 1: Our job is to be hope builders. That's what parents

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Speaker 1: So, the National Study of Mental Health and Well Beings

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Speaker 2: It's interesting there seems to be two camps in society.

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Speaker 1: Okay, did you pick up? So she's talking about research

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Speaker 1: two things that help us to build hope in our kids.

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Speaker 1: But then she talked about a number of extra things.

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Speaker 1: What did you pick up on. It's really important that

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Speaker 2: She said that one of the most important things we

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Speaker 2: that they needed to be able to see a pathway

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Speaker 1: So she's compiled that into one, but it's actually two things.

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Speaker 1: It's completely unreasonable, completely out of reach. It's not possible

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Speaker 1: But the critical thing here is we had a goal

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Speaker 1: But we did not have any pathways. I was a

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Speaker 1: The fancy word for this is agency thinking. That is,

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Speaker 1: This is where I want to bring in my favorite

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Speaker 1: What this TikToker, whose name, by the way, I should

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