1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily This is the daily 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: to the Daily OS. It is Friday, the ninth of August. 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: I'm billy, i'm zara. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Today is a Friday, and for many people who typically 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: work in an office, that means there is a good 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: chance that some of you will be working from home today. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: But are the days of working from home over? In 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: case you missed it, this week New South Wales public 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: sector employees were directed back to the office by the 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: New South Wales government. It is triggered a strong debate 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: about what flexibility looks like in today's post pandemic world 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: and if going back to the pre pandemic working life 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: is really realistic. In today's deep dive, we're going to 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: discuss exactly where we are at with work from home. 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: But first, Sarah, what is making headlines today. 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: South Australia Liberal Opposition leader David Spears has stepped down 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: a decision he said would quote give the next leader 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: the best possible opportunity to succeed at the state's next 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: election in twenty twenty six. Spears said that resigning as 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: a leader is quote in my best interests and that 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: of my family, but he will stay on in his 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: role as the member for Black in South Adelaide. Liberal 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: members said he will support the next opposition leader for 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: the state and that it was a privilege and honor 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: to serve. 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: The Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bollock has said that the 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: RBA will not hesitate to raise interest rates again to 29 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: combat inflation during a speech in Sydney on Thursday. It 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: comes after the RBA announced on Tuesday that the cash 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: rate would remain unchanged of four point three five percent 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: for the sixth consecutive time. Despite keeping the rate the same, 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: Bollock said yesterday in an address that there is considerable 34 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: uncertainty over Australia's economic future. She also said quote, I 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: know this is not what people want to hear, but 36 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: the alternative of persistently high inflation is worse. It hurts everyone. 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: The Weld Health Organization has announced it will send over 38 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: one million polio vaccines to Gaza. Sanitation and health in 39 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: the region has declined significantly amid the Israel Haamas war 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: in Gaza, including the recent detection of polio in water samples. 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: Polio is an infectious disease that mainly affects children under 42 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 2: five and can cause paralysis. The who's Director General said 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: that absolute freedom of movement is needed for medical workers 44 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: to administer the vaccines to around six hundred thousand children 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: safely and effectively. 46 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: The beach community of Lahina in Hawaii is celebrating the 47 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: recovery of a one hundred and fifty one year old 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: banyan tree, one year after it was burnt in the 49 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: Maui wildfires. Planted in eighteen seventy three, the front street 50 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: banyan tree is the oldest of its kind in Maui 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: and holds cultural significance for the community. Following the Maui 52 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: wildfires in All last year, which damaged twenty five thousand trees, 53 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: a local team of volunteers have helped the trees recovery since. 54 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: One local official told local media quote, you see a 55 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: lot of long, long branches with hundreds of leaves back 56 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: on the tree, and some of those branches are even 57 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: producing fruit. 58 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: Billy. The debate about work from home versus work in 59 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: the office is a big one people feel very strongly, 60 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: and so before we get into the emotional response to 61 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: it all, can you just start quite broad by telling 62 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: us what happened this week and why we're talking about it. 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: So this week it was announced that the new South 64 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: Wales government would require every person in the public sector 65 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: to return to working from the office, so essentially ending 66 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: work from home for the most part. Obviously there are 67 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: always exceptions and there's always flexibility for different arrangements, especially 68 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: for those with care responsibilities, but for the most part 69 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: they want people back in the office. Now. When I 70 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: first saw this in the news and Tuesday morning, the 71 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: reporting said that workers would need to be in the 72 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: office every single day of the working week. But when 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: the new South Wales Premier Chris Mins did a press conference, 74 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: he actually said that the policy will be for workers 75 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: to be in the office quote primarily and predominantly. 76 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: So not necessarily every single day, no. 77 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: So predominantly basically majority of the days. So I think 78 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: you can take it as three out of five you 79 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: have to be in the office. Like I said, there 80 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: will always be exceptions, but that will be the standard rule. Now, 81 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: public sector is a term that you might hear thrown 82 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: around a lot, but I thought it might be worth 83 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: actually explaining who they are. 84 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: I think this is helpful. 85 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, So if anyone doesn't know. It just means that 86 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: anyone who is employed by the New South Wales government. 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: So that includes staff in government departments. So think of 88 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: something like the Department of Education or the Department of Health. 89 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: All the people who work for those departments they now 90 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: need to be working in the office. The public sector 91 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: does also include things like public hospitals and public schools, 92 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: so teachers, nurses. Of course, those workers can't work from home, 93 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: so this doesn't affect them. It's just affecting those people 94 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: who can work in an office for them to go back. 95 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: Minn said in his press conference that about eighty five 96 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: percent of public servants don't work from home, so this 97 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: new policy is affecting about fifteen percent of the workforce. 98 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: I mean, that sounds like a small percentage, but I 99 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: think the reason that that's being spoken about so much 100 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: is because the New South Wales public sector employs four 101 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: hundred thousand people. So even fifteen percent of that, we're 102 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: talking about a lot of people here who have had 103 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: a bit of a big change when it comes to 104 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: their working arrangements. 105 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a huge employer in New South Wales. 106 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And so what was Chris Mins's reasoning behind 107 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: this decision. How did he come out and explain this call. 108 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: He really emphasized the word teamwork that kept coming up 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: in the press conference, and he said that all of 110 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: the research available shows that the best way to foster 111 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: teamwork is by having people in the same location, and 112 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: that being the office. And he actually said that this 113 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: decision was made in large part because of young people. 114 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that would be a popular part of 115 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: the announcement. 116 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: Maybe it's one of those things where you don't know 117 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: what's best for you, I think is his point. But 118 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: he said that the public service hires a lot of 119 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: university graduates and that for your first job out of 120 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: you need to be one where everyone is working from home. 121 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: That can make it difficult. And he said that when 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: the grads don't have access or don't have immediate access 123 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: to people that have decades of experience who they can 124 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: learn from, then it becomes hard to build a really 125 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: productive team where young people are learning from the experts 126 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: in the room around them. I mean, I think we 127 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: all know that messaging someone over Slack isn't the same 128 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: as just turning to the person next to you. 129 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: And I see obviously a very nuanced topic, but it 130 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: is something that I can see even in our workplace 131 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: that we have so many young people who choose to 132 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: come in on a daily basis because you can create 133 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: those relationships both with people your own age, but then 134 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: also looking upwards that people you can learn from. 135 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, our offices may be an anomaly. We're like a 136 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: weird group of people who are. 137 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: We weird anyway. So that's the social elements and the 138 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: learning elements. What else did Chrismin say? 139 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: So another key reason is the economy, and he really 140 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: emphasized this. So over recent months there have been a 141 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: few different reports come out about how the Sydney CBD 142 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: and I would say that this is consistent across CBDs 143 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: across the country, not just. 144 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: We've definitely heard this about Melbourne a lot. 145 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what they're saying is that they have been 146 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: very quiet compared to pre pandemic levels. There aren't the 147 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: work is there. It's not like this bustling city that 148 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: it was, and that is having a hit on the 149 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: different small businesses in the CBDs. So I say Fridays 150 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: for an example. As we know Fridays have traditionally they've 151 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: always been this key time for after work drinks with 152 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: colleagues or with friends. But now Fridays are a really 153 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: popular time for many people to work. 154 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: From home, have that long weekend vibe. 155 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: Yes, and so that's meant that workplaces are a lot 156 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: quieter on Fridays and that just has this flow on effect. 157 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: So that then means that people aren't going to drinks 158 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: after work and that causes bars and pubs to take 159 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: a significant hit. Some businesses in Sydney have said that 160 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: they have lost up to twenty five percent of profit 161 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: on Fridays when compared to pre pandemic levels. So that's 162 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: a significant amount of profit that they're losing out on 163 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: and that has meant that there has been this push 164 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: from business owners and business groups for the government to 165 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: do something about this and to somehow incentivize and encourage 166 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: people to get back into the office to help the economy. 167 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: And so this decision has been praised by business groups. 168 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: So it hasn't been that popular with workers, but it 169 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: has been popular with business groups. Also, another industry that 170 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: has taken a hit from work from home policies is 171 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: commercial property developers. It means are even in our office 172 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: we have had a vacant office below us for. 173 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: A very long time, two years now. I'm a big 174 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: concent and that something is very wrong with them. 175 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they have not been able to find renters, and 176 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: so that is another industry group that has really praised 177 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: this decision. There is however, a slight problem and that 178 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: there isn't actually enough space right now that is being 179 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: rented by the New South Wales government for the public 180 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: sector for all of these workers to suddenly come back 181 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: into the office right. 182 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: That strikes me as something that perhaps should have been 183 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: considered before making an announcement like this. 184 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: Was that addressed, Yeah, well, I think the point is 185 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: that this decision isn't effective immediately. There will be about 186 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: a six month rollout period for the New South Wales 187 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: government to find new office spaces so that there is 188 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: enough capacity to bring all of these people back. New 189 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: South Wales Premier Chris min said that they are looking 190 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: at different office spaces in Sydney' CBD and Paramata and 191 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: he said that, like I just said, there is a 192 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: lot of commercial office space available. It's just about them. 193 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: Moving in downstairs. We'll see them there, okay. And so 194 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: I feel like we spent quite a bit of time 195 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: talking about what the business perspective is. What Chris Mins's 196 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: perspective is that, I would argue, is quite distinct from 197 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: the experience of your average worker, who perhaps might not 198 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: take to this announcement too well. What has the response been. 199 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: So many opinions as is the case, Yeah, let's look 200 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: at the workers. If our comment section on the Daily 201 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: ODS is anything to go by, I would say it 202 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: hasn't been the most popular. Our top comment on the 203 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: daly os was one that said quote work is an activity, 204 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: not a place. I also spoke to someone who works 205 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: in the public service who got this memo that they 206 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: needed to go back to the office, and their perspective 207 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: was really interesting because they actually moved to regional New 208 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: South Wales during the pandemic and they had this arrangement 209 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: with work that they were able to work from home 210 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: for the majority. I mean, I think they don't have 211 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: to go into the office like more than once every 212 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: three months. So they were really able to set up 213 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: their life to fully work from. 214 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: Home, presumably in a more affordable area. 215 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and now being told to go back into 216 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: the office up to three days a week is just 217 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: not feasible, you know, if you account for all of 218 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: those travel hours that is more expensive, and I think 219 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: in the cost of living crisis, that's another thing that 220 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: is really being raised by a lot of workers. We 221 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: also polled our audience and about ninety percent said that 222 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: office policies should be hybrid, so allowing for both work 223 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: from home and in office, which is worth pointing out 224 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: is similar to what the new government is suggesting. Only 225 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: six percent of respondents said that office policies should be 226 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: a mandate to work in the office full time. We 227 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: also asked them if they would reconsider working for a 228 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: company if that company required you to always be in 229 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: the office, and about sixty percent said that they would. 230 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: So will be interesting to see if the public sector 231 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: we'll be able to continue to attract and retain staff 232 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: with this new policy. 233 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as we explain more of it, I 234 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 2: do think that there was a bar a clickbait around 235 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: at the beginning and hearing you explain that you know, 236 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: Chrismins isn't demanding that five days a week you're back 237 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: in the office from tomorrow, that it is this phased 238 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: in procedure and that there is still this hybrid nature 239 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: to it. But I imagine that if you've had an 240 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: agreement and you've moved out to the regions, this would 241 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: be a huge blow. And we know, of course for 242 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 2: working parents working from home has been a life saver 243 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: for them. 244 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: We're also nearly five years since the pandemic started and 245 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: nearly five years into when working from home became much 246 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: more of a regular thing for so many people, and 247 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: so I think the drastic change is what really was 248 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: quite jarring for a lot of people. 249 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that for workers, it's been working 250 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: just fine. And so if you're now turning around and 251 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: saying that thing that's been working just fine for the 252 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: last four or five years is no longer working just fine, 253 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: I imagine there would be some questions. Billy, you flagged 254 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: earlier that business groups are generally happy with this announcement, right, Yeah. 255 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that they are really 256 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: happy with this decision. Business Sydney is one group who 257 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: came out and praised the premiere for his leadership. They 258 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: said that they have quote consistently called for the government 259 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: to take the lead in ending work from home arrangements 260 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: and that it will be huge encouragement for the private 261 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: sector in its efforts to bring their people back to 262 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: the workplace. So what they're saying there is that the 263 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: new South Wales government has taken the lead and that 264 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: hopefully private companies, for example the Daily Ours we're a 265 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: private company, will now follow that lead for making a 266 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: mandate for people to work in the office. 267 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: Based on our comment section, I'm not sure we will 268 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: be following suit, but it will be interesting to see 269 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: whether this does become a trend. I know that we've seen, 270 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: you know, CBA and some other banks try to lead 271 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: on this, but it didn't necessarily create this follow on 272 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: effect that perhaps some of the business groups were looking for. 273 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and one other group that was happy was Property 274 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: Counsel of Australia. They also said that quote more workers 275 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: means more life, more investment and more business for our cities. 276 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: And obviously their vested interest is in property, so that 277 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: would make sense on that behalf too. Now, Billy, if 278 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: people haven't been able to work from home today and 279 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 2: they are on their commute to work listening to this podcast, 280 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: what do you think they should listen to next? What 281 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: was your favorite TDA podcast from this week? 282 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: Wow? 283 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: Great segue, Thank you. 284 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm definitely biased. But on Tuesday I did an interview 285 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: with an economist about what was going on with the 286 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: falling stock markets this week. I was so confused and 287 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: I needed an expert to explain it to me. I 288 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: wanted to understand, if you are not someone who invests 289 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: in shares, and if you are someone who also doesn't 290 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: own a property, how does falling stock markets actually affect you? 291 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: And is it something that you need to worry about? 292 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: And he explained it to me so well, and I 293 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: would highly recommend to that. 294 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: Well, there you go. 295 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: What about you, Zara, what was your favorite episode this week? 296 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: I think my favorite episode, which seems like a weird 297 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: word to describe it, but was the episode we did 298 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: on The Men on Trial for nine to eleven. This 299 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: is such a crazy story to me, and there are 300 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: so many twists and turns, and I think so many 301 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: of us feel so removed from what happened in two 302 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: thousand and one because it was so long ago, but 303 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,479 Speaker 2: you know the fact that there are these lasting implications 304 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: in the legal system. I just found it absolutely fascinating. 305 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: We will put a link to those episodes in today's 306 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: show notes if you would like to go and have 307 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: a listen. Thank you so much for listening to this 308 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: episode of The Daily Os. Have a good Friday if 309 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: you're in the office or if you're working from home, 310 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: and we will see you again on Monday. My name 311 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda Bungelung Kalkottin 312 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges that this 313 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on the lands of the Gadighl people 314 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island 315 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: and nations. We pay our respects to the first peoples 316 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: of these countries, both past and present.