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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>the thirtieth of October.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister Anthony Alberesi has been accused of directly asking

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<v Speaker 2>the former CEO of Quantus, Alan Joyce, for free undisclosed

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<v Speaker 2>flight upgrades. The allegation has been detailed in a new

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<v Speaker 2>book by journalist Joe Aston Now. Following the publishing of

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<v Speaker 2>an excerpt of that book over the weekend, the Opposition

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<v Speaker 2>has said it will consider establishing a senate inquiry into

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<v Speaker 2>the matter. The PM, on the other hand, has suggested

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<v Speaker 2>the claims come from a person who is just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to sell a book. In today's deep Dive, we'll explain

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<v Speaker 2>everything you need to know about Anthony Alberesi and Quantas

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<v Speaker 2>First Sam.

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<v Speaker 1>What's making headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>The Victorian government has introduce new laws to improve legal

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<v Speaker 3>processes for victims of violent and sexual crimes. Under legislation

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<v Speaker 3>tabled in State Parliament on Tuesday, victims and witnesses of

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<v Speaker 3>family violence, sexual offenses and stalking cases would only be

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<v Speaker 3>required to give evidence during court proceedings and not during

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<v Speaker 3>pre trial hearings. The measure is aimed at avoiding processes

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<v Speaker 3>that could retraumatize victims by making them repeat their testimonies

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<v Speaker 3>several times. The government has also proposed making videolink court

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<v Speaker 3>appearances the default for alleged offenders. It says this would

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<v Speaker 3>help victims to avoid having to unnecessarily come face to

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<v Speaker 3>face with a perpetrator. Victorian State Attorney General Jacqueline Simes

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<v Speaker 3>says survivors quote deserve justice, not further trauma as they

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<v Speaker 3>move through the legal system.

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<v Speaker 2>Mayer has announced plans to take over several popular Aussie brands,

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<v Speaker 2>including just Genes, JJ's, Dotty and Portman's. It comes after

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<v Speaker 2>the department store Giant announced a nine hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollar acquisition of apparel brand, a clothing arm of

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<v Speaker 2>Premier Investments. Premier said it will retain ownership over Smiggle

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<v Speaker 2>and Peter Alexander to focus on growing the stationery and

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<v Speaker 2>sleepwear brands. Premier and Maya shareholders will need to approve

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<v Speaker 2>the deal before the department store can merge with apparel brands.

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<v Speaker 2>If it goes ahead, the retail group would own more

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<v Speaker 2>than seven hundred and eighty stores. Across Australia and New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand and employ more than seventeen thousand people.

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<v Speaker 3>Israel's parliament has voted to ban the United Nations Relief

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<v Speaker 3>and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, otherwise known as UNRA.

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<v Speaker 3>It means the key aid body delivering aid in Kaza

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<v Speaker 3>will not be allowed to operate in Israel, which could

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<v Speaker 3>impact the flow of aid into the region. Earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 3>Israel claimed UNRASTAFF had been involved in Hamas's attack on

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<v Speaker 3>October seven. A UN investigation found nine staff members who

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<v Speaker 3>have since been sacked, were involved in the attacks. Australian

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<v Speaker 3>Foreign Minister Pennywong has urged Israel to reconsider the ban.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally, today's good news, a record number of women

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<v Speaker 2>have been elected to Japan's lower House of Parliament. Seventy

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<v Speaker 2>three female candidates were successful after Sunday's election, which means

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<v Speaker 2>women will now make up about sixteen percent of Japan's

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<v Speaker 2>House of Representatives. That's compared to a global average of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven percent. The main opposition party in Japan, the

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<v Speaker 2>CDPJ saw the most women elected of all the parties,

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<v Speaker 2>with thirty female candidates securing a seat.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back with the Deep Dive after this short break.

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<v Speaker 2>Sam, I'd say it's fairly rare for a book to

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<v Speaker 2>make such a splash before it's even been released. So

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<v Speaker 2>this book was only released yesterday. Joe Asen's new book.

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<v Speaker 3>Hang On, No Silly Questions The Daily Ores September twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>See wall to wall coverage of that book too.

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<v Speaker 3>Senat quies the whole lot not. This book's probably a

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<v Speaker 3>little more controversial.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, so just to give you a bit of context,

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<v Speaker 2>this book released by Joe Aston yesterday is called The

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<v Speaker 2>Chairman's Lounge, and over the weekend we saw the Nine

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<v Speaker 2>Papers release an excerpt of that book. And in that

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<v Speaker 2>excerpt it was published in the Good Weekend, there were

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of I guess, allegations you'd say, that

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<v Speaker 2>were leveled at the Prime Minister and at the CEO

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<v Speaker 2>or the former CEO of Quantus, Alan Joyce. And since

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<v Speaker 2>that excerpt was published, the story has completely taken on

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<v Speaker 2>a life of its own.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really important to understand who Joe Aston is because

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<v Speaker 3>I think that has a bit to do with the

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<v Speaker 3>why it's being reported so widely as well. Give me

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<v Speaker 3>a sense of who this author.

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<v Speaker 2>Is so Joe Aston is not just an author. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a journalist. He worked for the Australian Financial Review

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<v Speaker 2>for over a decade. He resigned last year after, as

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<v Speaker 2>I said, a fairly long stint, during which time he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a column called Rear Window, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>that column was dedicated to, I guess, uncovering and exposing

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<v Speaker 2>diff different areas of Australian political and media life.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the worst things for somebody to wake up

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<v Speaker 3>to was knowing you were going to be in rear

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<v Speaker 3>Window that day exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And someone that knew that reality all too well was

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Joyce. Because towards the end of his tenure, Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Aston spent a lot of his journalistic time covering Quantus,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you think back, it was during the time

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<v Speaker 2>where it was COVID, there were layoffs, there was all

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<v Speaker 2>of the stuff around mass cancelations and flight credits, and

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Aston really, i'd say, led the way in the

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<v Speaker 2>coverage on those sorts of issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Tensions between Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Aston and Quantus continued to grow and grow and grow,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they boiled over to the point where Quantus

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<v Speaker 2>actually stripped the AFI from its lounges and in flight

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<v Speaker 2>Wi Fi services back in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember they literally took out the hard copies of

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<v Speaker 3>the paper.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, And so I think it's fair to say,

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<v Speaker 2>to summarize why Joe Aston gets the response that he

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<v Speaker 2>does is that he's quite a controversial journalist, a very

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<v Speaker 2>distinct style and way of writing. And to zero in

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<v Speaker 2>on it, Joe asked, is one of the most read

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<v Speaker 2>journalists in this country. And so when we realized he

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<v Speaker 2>was publishing a book, I think everyone expected that there

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<v Speaker 2>would be a lot there.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when the excerpt of the book ran in

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<v Speaker 3>the nine newspapers over the weekends, this curiosity as to

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<v Speaker 3>what was going to be in the book was even

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<v Speaker 3>more accentuated just on that piece alone in the paper.

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<v Speaker 3>What did we learn?

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<v Speaker 2>So in that excerpt it was revealed that Anthony Albanesi,

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<v Speaker 2>of course the Prime Minister, received more than twenty flight

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<v Speaker 2>upgrades between two thousand and nine and twenty nineteen. Family

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<v Speaker 2>members accompanied him on some of these trips, and many

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<v Speaker 2>of them were personal. The book, citing anonymous Quantus Insiders,

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<v Speaker 2>claims Albanizi asked Joyce directly to upgrade his flights, while

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Albanezi was in the transport portfolio. So the suggestion

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<v Speaker 2>there is that Albanzi, as a politician, had a direct

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<v Speaker 2>line to the head of Australia's biggest airline, which made

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<v Speaker 2>up obviously a big part of his portfolio at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>and that he was using that direction line allegedly to

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<v Speaker 2>ask for personal upgrades. It's important to note that Albanzi

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<v Speaker 2>had previously declared his own personal flights and his membership

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<v Speaker 2>to the quantas Chairman's Lounge, which is the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the book, which is a VIP area. You get food,

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<v Speaker 2>you get special treatment, it's a place where all MP's

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<v Speaker 2>and senators are offered access. So that's not really in

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<v Speaker 2>contention here. What's more in contention is how these upgrades

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<v Speaker 2>came about and whether or not they were disclosed. Aston

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<v Speaker 2>also claims that Alberanzi didn't declare efforts to get his

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<v Speaker 2>son Nathan a membership to the Chairman's Lounge. That was

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<v Speaker 2>first reported by the AFI a little while ago, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's not new information, but that was also included in

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<v Speaker 2>this excerpt. I think if we're to zoom out and

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<v Speaker 2>try to understand why this is such a hot political topic,

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<v Speaker 2>what's being claimed here by Aston is that Anthony ALBERIZI

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<v Speaker 2>was a political asset four Quantas. So I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to directly quote asked in here. He says it was

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<v Speaker 2>a slice of fortune that fueled Quantus as Hubrius, the

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<v Speaker 2>new Prime Minister, was an asset that the airline had

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<v Speaker 2>been developing for fifteen years, a transport minister who had

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<v Speaker 2>been upgraded to.

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<v Speaker 1>The top job.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so what Joe Aston is trying to highlight, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess is not necessarily just the fact that Anthony Alberzi

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<v Speaker 3>allegedly got these upgrades from economy to business class or

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<v Speaker 3>you know, some free pajamas, but that it signified a

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<v Speaker 3>close relationship between the head of Australi's biggest airline and

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<v Speaker 3>the future Prime minister, which could have gone both ways.

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<v Speaker 3>That favorable decisions could have been made for Quantus by

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<v Speaker 3>Aberenezi and upgrades could have been granted by Quantas the

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<v Speaker 3>other way exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what goes to the heart of

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<v Speaker 2>why this has become.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a political issue.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that it's not, as you said, a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of free pajamas, but it's what it could signify

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<v Speaker 2>if these allegations are true, sure, and that's certainly what

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<v Speaker 2>the Opposition is talking about this week. So the Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>has been really quick to jump on this one. We've

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<v Speaker 2>had Opposition leader Peter Dunn and call it a bit

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<v Speaker 2>strange that Albinizi allegedly asked for these upgrades. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a strange arrangement when you can pick up the

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<v Speaker 2>phone to the CEO and ask, as Transport minister for

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<v Speaker 2>an upgrade for your arrangements. Duddin did admit that he

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<v Speaker 2>had benefited himself from flight upgrades since being elected to

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<v Speaker 2>parliament in two thousand and one, which he said have

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<v Speaker 2>also been declared the coalition's transport spokespersons and at a

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<v Speaker 2>Bridget Mackenzie told reporters that the Senate should set up

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<v Speaker 2>an inquiry into the reported flight upgrades. She said there

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<v Speaker 2>are serious questions which only mister Joyce and the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister can answer. At the time when she was saying

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<v Speaker 2>that she claimed she hadn't received a quantus upgrade, but

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<v Speaker 2>shortly after she did issue a statement confirming she had

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<v Speaker 2>previously received an upgrade and had publicly declared it. But

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<v Speaker 2>broadly the Coalition is going in with we need to

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<v Speaker 2>understand more about what's happened here and if something has

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<v Speaker 2>happened that was not meant to or that was not declared,

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<v Speaker 2>they want further investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>So one other aspect to this story that the Opposition,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly Bridget mackenzie, is seeking to understand more and calling

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<v Speaker 3>for US an inquiry into is a decision by the

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<v Speaker 3>Albanese government in twenty twenty three to block a bid

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<v Speaker 3>by Qatar Airways, so a direct competitor of Quantas, to

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<v Speaker 3>increase the number of flights that they were operating in

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<v Speaker 3>and around Australia. I've noticed a particular point that Bridget

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<v Speaker 3>mackenzie is highlighting is the decision of the Abenese government

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty three to block Qatar Airways from increasing

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<v Speaker 3>the number of routes that they flew in and around Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>She said during the week, both Prime Minister Anthony Abernesi

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<v Speaker 3>and Transport Minister Catherine King have to come clean on

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<v Speaker 3>whether there was any pressure from the Prime Minister or

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<v Speaker 3>his office to assist Quantas and its partner Emirates in

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<v Speaker 3>blocking Qatar Airways application for these flights.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, that is just an allegation that is being made

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<v Speaker 2>by the opposition and there has been no confirmation from

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister that anything like that did take place there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's quite the contrary, right, The Prime Minister has

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<v Speaker 3>come out very directly against these allegations.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So to the point of the upgrades, Alberanzi has said

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<v Speaker 2>that he publicly declared everything. He said that he only

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<v Speaker 2>had direct discussions with Alan Joyce over two official flights

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<v Speaker 2>and that those were publicly disclosed at the time. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Alberze speaking yesterday on the matter.

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<v Speaker 4>All of my flights have been declared in an appropriate way,

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<v Speaker 4>just as Peter Dutton declared his flights or some of

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<v Speaker 4>his flights. There is a difference between both of us.

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<v Speaker 4>My flights were commercial with Quantus or Virgin or Emirates.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't have to declare any flights on private jets

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<v Speaker 4>owned by billionaires like Gina rein Hart because I haven't

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<v Speaker 4>engaged in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, ministers in Albanese's government and suddenly heard a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of it there have been really trying to flip the

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<v Speaker 2>script a bit here.

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<v Speaker 1>In recent days.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had Senior Minister Murray what calling the story unsourced

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<v Speaker 2>rumors being put around by a journalist and has then

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<v Speaker 2>tried to highlight that Peter Dudden accepted flights from Gina

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<v Speaker 2>Reinhart's company and said, I think it's equally applicable to

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<v Speaker 2>ask questions of Peter Dudden about what influenced Gina ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Hart has over his policies in response to the free

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<v Speaker 2>flights that he experienced. So the government's really trying to

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<v Speaker 2>read direct traffic into having a conversation more broadly about

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<v Speaker 2>who and what politicians accept in their positions of power.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if that storyline is going to

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<v Speaker 2>stick per se. I think that there is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of attention here on Anthony Albanesi and what happens next.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like every couple of months there's a news

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<v Speaker 3>story from across the political spectrum about allegations of conflict

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<v Speaker 3>of interest and this recurring idea of how do we

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<v Speaker 3>know if our politicians have integrity? And we know that

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<v Speaker 3>trust levels in politicians are dropping lower and lower, and

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<v Speaker 3>it seems to be a really strong theme of the

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<v Speaker 3>last decade, and it sounds like into the future. That's

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<v Speaker 3>all we've got time for on today's episode of The

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<v Speaker 3>Daily Os. If you enjoyed this episode, we'd love you

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<v Speaker 3>your ears tomorrow morning. Until then, have a great day.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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<v Speaker 3>Bunjelung Chalcotin woman from Gadighl Country.

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