Speaker 1: Gooday, Pete Hally here, welcome to you, and see nothing yet.
Speaker 1: In the movie Podcast, we're our chat to a movie
Speaker 1: lover about a classic or but loved the movie they
Speaker 1: haven't quite got around to watching until now. Today's guests
Speaker 1: comedian filmmaker Monty Franklin, all below.
Speaker 2: I want to stay here with you.
Speaker 3: Gay to the jobble.
Speaker 1: My lake, snake, shock, my fail.
Speaker 2: They couldn't happening right, So don't seen nothing here.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a fun one. Monty Franklin
Speaker 1: is back on home soil for a little while at least.
Speaker 1: He is an ossie comic who has fled his craft
Speaker 1: in the States. He's Los Angeles based, and I've always
Speaker 1: we haven't spent a lot of time with each other.
Speaker 1: Often these podcasts. Mostly it's people who I have spent
Speaker 1: a bit bit of time, not always. I hang out
Speaker 1: with Monty in LA like ten years ago. I when
Speaker 1: I saw him do a gig, he was great. I
Speaker 1: think it's me Monty and Tommy Little and we just
Speaker 1: hung out for a bit. Great guy, fun funny, but
Speaker 1: I always really admired him going over to the States.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of buzzie comedians who will go
Speaker 1: to London. There's a bit more of a pathway. I
Speaker 1: guess a lot of English and Australian comics that close.
Speaker 1: Because of the Melbourne Comedy Festival and Edinburgh, it's a
Speaker 1: much bigger roll of the dice to go to Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and try to crack it there. But he is
Speaker 1: I think the only Australian with his name on the
Speaker 1: wall at the Comedy Store in Hollywood. At least he's
Speaker 1: the first Aussie. He plays all the clubs, the improv clubs,
Speaker 1: the laugh Factory to us all around. He's worked on
Speaker 1: and with Rob Schneider on a Rob show. He's open
Speaker 1: for Rob as well and Joe Rogan. He's been on
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's podcast. He's had roles in The New Girl.
Speaker 1: He's just doing it all real. Rob is Real, Rob
Speaker 1: is the series. You can see that on Netflix. He's
Speaker 1: a really He's a bloody hard worker. Monty and I've
Speaker 1: digged it with him a bit. Recently. He's getting his
Speaker 1: work up for a big tour playing Hamer Hall. It's
Speaker 1: a big it's a big room. So get along in
Speaker 1: Melbourne and all around the country. Booty Funny following you
Speaker 1: on Instagram, Monty Franklin and more than all of that,
Speaker 1: a couple of things. One his uncle, he's a great
Speaker 1: Richard Franklin, who made some great movies, including one of
Speaker 1: the first movie I ever saw, the Pirate Movie. I
Speaker 1: want to talk to Monty about that, but also Blue Lagoon,
Speaker 1: like some genuinely touchstone pictures Richard made more than that,
Speaker 1: and maybe leading on from that, Monty is about to
Speaker 1: go into a production of his own film. It's a
Speaker 1: passion project. It's got a Great Emu War. There was
Speaker 1: a film recently that dealt with that, a pretty low budget.
Speaker 1: I think a vision was going to be a YouTube
Speaker 1: kind of sketch, and they get building it and building
Speaker 1: and building it, and they released it as a film.
Speaker 1: This one seems to have a bigger budget and certainly
Speaker 1: a bit of staff power. John Clees is in it.
Speaker 1: Rob Schneider is in it. It's and Monty is in it.
Speaker 1: He's written it, he's directed it. So I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to see The Great Emu War, hopefully imagine maybe later
Speaker 1: next year, so a while away, but we'll keep you
Speaker 1: posted on that. Monty is funny, is generous, he's industrious,
Speaker 1: he's a bit of an entrepreneur, and I'm bloody stoked
Speaker 1: to be hanging with him today.
Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Monty Franklin. My top three favorite movies. Back
Speaker 4: to the Future, AE Way.
Speaker 1: A Matte Dark. Are you telling me that you built
Speaker 1: a time machine kind of a doloreate the way I
Speaker 1: see it?
Speaker 5: If you've got to build a time machine into a car, way'
Speaker 5: not do with some style besides the saineless steel construction
Speaker 5: me the fux dispersal.
Speaker 4: Look dumb, dumba Austria.
Speaker 1: Well then gooday, mate, Let's put another ash rimp.
Speaker 2: On my barbie.
Speaker 4: And I threw tombstone in there as well.
Speaker 1: Why Johnny Ringo looked like somebody just walked over your grave?
Speaker 4: And the movie that I hadn't seen but should have
Speaker 4: I don't know why I didn't was cool Hand Luke
Speaker 4: Last bell is at eight.
Speaker 6: Any man knocking his bunk at eight spends the night
Speaker 6: in the box. There's no smoking in the prone position
Speaker 6: in bed. To smoke, you must have both legs over
Speaker 6: the side of your bunk. And a man caught smoking
Speaker 6: in the prone position in bed spends the night in
Speaker 6: the box.
Speaker 4: You'll get two sheets every Saturday.
Speaker 6: You put the clean sheet in the top the top
Speaker 6: sheet in the bottom the bottom sheet you turn in
Speaker 6: the laundry board, and a man turns in the wrong
Speaker 6: sheet spends the night in a box which no one
Speaker 6: will sit in the bunks with dirty pants on. Any
Speaker 6: man with dirty pants on sitting on a bunk spends
Speaker 6: a night in a box. Any man don't bring back
Speaker 6: his empty pop bottle spends the night in the box.
Speaker 6: And a man a loud talking spends the night in
Speaker 6: the box. You've got questions, you come to me. I'm
Speaker 6: car the Flora Walker, I'm responsible. Order in here. Any
Speaker 6: man don't keep order spends a night in the box.
Speaker 6: I hope you ain't going to be a hard.
Speaker 1: Geece drunken, bored, purple hearted, silver star veteran Luke Jackson's
Speaker 1: screen icon Paul and Human, playing the second most famous
Speaker 1: Luke in screen history, is arrested for cutting the heads
Speaker 1: off parking meters. Sentence to two years on a road gang.
Speaker 1: Luke is made to ernie stripes, but he demonstrates his
Speaker 1: worth and tenacity by withstanding a boxing bout with the
Speaker 1: burly top dog Dragline George Kennedy, winning the film's only oscar.
Speaker 1: The inmates become enamored with Luke and his cool demeanor.
Speaker 1: Whether it's taking a barrage of punches or eating fifty eggs,
Speaker 1: Luke can do no wrong in their eyes. But when
Speaker 1: news of Luke's mother's death seize, the captain decided a
Speaker 1: sentence Luke to the box to avoid him turning rabbit
Speaker 1: and running. It turns this film upside down. This strategy
Speaker 1: backfires as Luke plans his escape Well Escapes. Directed by
Speaker 1: Stuart Rosenberg. The Amateurville horror The Pope of Greenwich Village
Speaker 1: from a script by Frank Pearson from the novel by
Speaker 1: Don Pierce. Cool and Luke brings us one of cinema's
Speaker 1: great anti heroes, Monty Franklin. How many eggs do you reckon?
Speaker 1: You could eat?
Speaker 4: I think, honestly, if you're really pushing it, you could.
Speaker 4: Maybe you could maybe do twelve, but you'd feel disgusting
Speaker 4: after twelve.
Speaker 1: Four thousand calories.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 1: I've googled it. Fifty eggs, fifty eggs, and he can
Speaker 1: physically do it. Oh, it won't kill you, but it's
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 4: I could not believe that that plot in the movie.
Speaker 4: That was a plot line in the movie. It came
Speaker 4: from nowhere. He just goes, I could eat fifty eggs.
Speaker 4: He like, just yills it out, and then everyone just goes,
Speaker 4: what Norman's fifty eggs before? What do you talk? And
Speaker 4: then for the next fifteen minutes it's it's got nothing
Speaker 4: to do with the movie.
Speaker 1: It's a montage of egg eating. It's like a rocky
Speaker 1: montage with eggs. It's so funny.
Speaker 4: They just keep going close up on his stomach and
Speaker 4: beforehand and the big guy who you just said massaging
Speaker 4: his stomach, We're gonna massage that stomach up, babe boy. Look,
Speaker 4: and so I can fit the eggs.
Speaker 1: Fifty eggs and yeah, I won't get too deep into
Speaker 1: There's a lot to discuss about this movie, and the
Speaker 1: fifty eggs will be discussed absolutely. What did you know
Speaker 1: of Cool Hand? Luke? For disclosure, I watched this in
Speaker 1: my teen years and very much enjoyed it. But what
Speaker 1: do you know about it?
Speaker 4: I knew it was one of those movies that I
Speaker 4: probably should have seen, Like I knew it did have
Speaker 4: Oscar winners. I'm not sure I didn't know.
Speaker 1: George is the only one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I knew Paul Newman, but I hadn't seen
Speaker 4: any of his movies.
Speaker 1: Either, Right, this is your first part new in Experience first,
Speaker 1: Paul Newman Side of the Past.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Paul Newman falls into the same category as
Speaker 4: what's he at Redford? There you go exactly, And so
Speaker 4: I wanted to see him in his prime because I
Speaker 4: just remembered him from Souce Bottles. Yes, yeah, and so
Speaker 4: I was very interested in that. Cool Hand Luke is
Speaker 4: a movie that Rob Schneider, sorry to name drop, he's
Speaker 4: a friend of mine, but he talks about it a lot, right,
Speaker 4: And so when I saw that and I hadn't seen it,
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is definitely one of those that I
Speaker 4: should see. Yeah, you know when you just miss movies
Speaker 4: like I missed I forgot to watch Gladiator and then
Speaker 4: I went where did I watch that? And I watched
Speaker 4: it and I went, wow, I can't believe I forgot
Speaker 4: to watch that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and this podcast is built for
Speaker 1: this occasion. There's so much I want to talk about.
Speaker 1: Guns and Roses fans would know Cool Hand Luke because
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're a Guns and Roses fan.
Speaker 1: But when the User Illusion albums came out in the
Speaker 1: mid nineties, I think what we have here is fairly
Speaker 1: to communicate. It was the beginning, thank you of Civil War.
Speaker 4: That was what I was trying to figure out where
Speaker 4: I knew it from?
Speaker 1: Yes Ah, and I like guns would never would never
Speaker 1: have seen this movie, would know be able to quote
Speaker 1: that verbatim, you know.
Speaker 4: But that's why I knew. When they said when you
Speaker 4: said that line casually Warden does, I just went, why
Speaker 4: do I know that line?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 4: Yes, that was the first tape I got was usual
Speaker 4: Illusion one and two.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, and what a connection. Now we
Speaker 1: have lots of talk to you about about stuff you're doing,
Speaker 1: your history with family history of cinema. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about your three favorite films, which are it was Dumb
Speaker 1: and Dumber was in there. By the way, we should
Speaker 1: actually point out when when I approach you to do
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I and you've been in the States, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, the podcast is downloaded bit in the States,
Speaker 1: but you said, Okay, these are the films that I
Speaker 1: would like to cover. And you had like Dumb and Dumber,
Speaker 1: You had Mirror's Wedding, you had Missus, doubt Fire, This
Speaker 1: is doubt Fire. You had Yeah, these classic comedy movies,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow.
Speaker 4: What kind of comedian hasn't seen Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can take one or two of them, but like
Speaker 1: there's six classic, like the comedy movies you need to see.
Speaker 1: And it seemed I'm like, I know you're about to
Speaker 1: make a film the next year, maybe you should check
Speaker 1: out some of the classics. And then we worked out, no,
Speaker 1: you maybe slightly mis understood the premise that you hadn't
Speaker 1: you the lad to have seen the movie. So we
Speaker 1: got that straight. So I'm glad we did, but yes,
Speaker 1: you're and Dumb and Dumber was I was very surprised
Speaker 1: that you hadn't seen it. I mean, and this has
Speaker 1: come up many times in people's top three films.
Speaker 4: I wonder what it is about that film. It's perfect
Speaker 4: and silly and stupid and fun, and it's one of
Speaker 4: those movies that I was when I was eighteen and
Speaker 4: with friends and sitting around after a night out or whatever.
Speaker 4: We'd watch it eight times, you know, started again and
Speaker 4: we'd watch it again. And so that movie I have
Speaker 4: three prints on my wall. One of them is Dumb
Speaker 4: and Dumber. It's Harry and Lloyd on the on the
Speaker 4: mini bike. It's that and then I have Back to
Speaker 4: the Future and then I have Tombstone. So those are
Speaker 4: obviously the reason that I picked those three movies. They
Speaker 4: just they mean a lot to me. But Dumb and
Speaker 4: Dumber the classic comedy duo it's been, you know, since
Speaker 4: Laurel and Hardy and Avan Costella and then I just
Speaker 4: those two for me, I think was the first time
Speaker 4: that I was introduced to a duo that and stir
Speaker 4: crazy and yeah, I think it's the perfect amount of
Speaker 4: absolute silly and ridiculous. I love hearing about Jim Carey's
Speaker 4: story behind Dumb and Dumber, and it was the first
Speaker 4: movie that he was paid twenty million for that he
Speaker 4: had written down that you know, that's a goal that
Speaker 4: he wanted to do. Like the performance that he puts
Speaker 4: in that is brilliant, and Jeff Daniels as well. Just
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is why I just still laugh.
Speaker 4: It holds up too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, because it's silly, isn't it Like, and silly
Speaker 1: doesn't has never gone out of fashion, I don't think,
Speaker 1: even though I believe that sometimes we underrate silliness as
Speaker 1: a society and even sometimes when we watch comedy because
Speaker 1: it's a fine line isn't it like that? There have
Speaker 1: been many movies that have attempted to do what Dumb
Speaker 1: and Dumber has done before and after, and some are
Speaker 1: just it's too silly. But there's something about Dumb and Dumber,
Speaker 1: even though it's not really trying for much else other
Speaker 1: than silliness, there's a lot of I think there is
Speaker 1: a heart to the story between the two. There's a
Speaker 1: chemistry between. Yeah, it does have a heart, and that
Speaker 1: may be the secret source.
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, Well, it's it's interesting when you say, a
Speaker 4: lot of other movies have done similar to that, even
Speaker 4: the scene where Harry goes in and goes to the
Speaker 4: bathroom and has an obnoxious time in the bathroom. So
Speaker 4: many movies have done that, and I now cringe a
Speaker 4: little bit at them, like here we go again, and
Speaker 4: it's the same fart jokes and blah blah. That one
Speaker 4: is flat out hilarious, and it's the same premise that
Speaker 4: everyone else is trying to use someone just struggling in
Speaker 4: the bathroom. But the way that he did it, everything
Speaker 4: about it was silly and fun and at no point
Speaker 4: did I think, oh, this is too much, or this
Speaker 4: is overdone or anything like that. So when you say
Speaker 4: silly is the key to that is the king of
Speaker 4: comedy is silly. I think that's Steve Martin's that's what
Speaker 4: the best is. And if it's not too polarizing and
Speaker 4: everything like that, and you're really just talking about the
Speaker 4: silly goo goof stuff, I think that's what brings people
Speaker 4: in the most and then the heart to it. And
Speaker 4: there was so much hard in that toilet scene.
Speaker 1: There was certainly fluids. But what I have good point
Speaker 1: that many people have tried to do a similar scene.
Speaker 1: And then there's other funny toilet scenes that obviously, but
Speaker 1: you know, there's something about Mary comes to mind, but
Speaker 1: there's if you can find a way, whether it's in
Speaker 1: the performance, is to make it a little different. And
Speaker 1: it's like somebody told me, you know, we have a
Speaker 1: discussion with another comedian about Jerry Seinfeld, who I think
Speaker 1: is the goat, you know, and if you look at
Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld's set list, it would be what everybody what
Speaker 1: a critic would consider a hack set list like or
Speaker 1: you know, like cool comedians would go, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a hack, it's men and women, it's your relationship, it's
Speaker 1: popped tart exactly. But He always finds a way to
Speaker 1: find a new angle about stuff that has been explored
Speaker 1: for years and years and years, but he finds a
Speaker 1: fresh angle somehow.
Speaker 4: That is the key, and that is what angers good
Speaker 4: comedians the most. When you see someone do a premise
Speaker 4: that's been done before, but they wrap it up in
Speaker 4: a different packaging and you go, ah, why did I
Speaker 4: not see that angle of it? And that is definitely
Speaker 4: what Jerry does. And you're right, he is the goat.
Speaker 4: And he is like a craftsman too, like no word
Speaker 4: is wasted. He's like trimm down his act to a
Speaker 4: perfect And when you watch him and he runs on
Speaker 4: stage and he goes up, thank you and leaves like
Speaker 4: it's so professional, the way that he delivers silliness. It's
Speaker 4: just it's remarkable to watch.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I watch him and I need to kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, because I will waste words. Will like when
Speaker 1: I'm in the head of the joke. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't like sometimes around I can't. I have a more
Speaker 1: conversational style. But you do have to kind of check
Speaker 1: him with this affe game. I'm not but I'm not.
Speaker 1: My brain is different than Jerry Seinfeld, and he's probably
Speaker 1: got OCD or he's something going on where he's just
Speaker 1: in the way he lives his life. Yeah, I've listened
Speaker 1: to many interviews with him. That's just the way he
Speaker 1: is and that's reflected with this comedy. So I think
Speaker 1: you find you know your voice. It love's just a
Speaker 1: reflection of who you are, and I think it has
Speaker 1: to be unless you are going full character with it.
Speaker 4: I think with Jerry, a big part of his life
Speaker 4: is the trans transcendental meditation, right, which is very rhythm.
Speaker 4: Didn't that didn't? That didn't? What you're meant to do?
Speaker 4: It's a mantra that you say, So he probably brings
Speaker 4: that into a lot of his comedy, which is it's
Speaker 4: a rhythm, it's a mantres, which I like. You are
Speaker 4: more of a storyteller. So You're sitting around the dinner
Speaker 4: table and I've got a I've got this interesting story.
Speaker 4: So I do sort of an arm my way through
Speaker 4: a little bit because I'm going on that journey with
Speaker 4: you on in this story, whereas Jerry is giving you
Speaker 4: his greatest hits of funny, right, it's different. It's like
Speaker 4: watching Stephen Wright, who's completely different than you and I
Speaker 4: delivering jokes but they're kind of like one liner's bang,
Speaker 4: one line of bang, just and he'll have a B
Speaker 4: and C in his head if he knows that's killer,
Speaker 4: he is a sleeper. Here's one just for the you know,
Speaker 4: just for the run of the mill. So it's all
Speaker 4: just different styles of comedy in the end. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's silly, silly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely And I did think of something, as
Speaker 1: you'll say, Jerry Seinfeld, And we do apologize if Jim
Speaker 1: Carrey and Jeff Daniels listening to this and going hang on,
Speaker 1: Jerry Sifeld wasn't then dumb and dumb? How did we
Speaker 1: get onto it wasn't how did we get get under this?
Speaker 1: Jerry Siffler's book actually that he released with I think
Speaker 1: it's called is There Something in This Sort? And it
Speaker 1: was his joke. It's interesting to see how they were written.
Speaker 1: They were almost written almost like poems. They weren't written
Speaker 1: in long, long sentences. It was to your point about
Speaker 1: the rhythm. It was very interesting. Back to the Future
Speaker 1: has also it's right up there with the most as
Speaker 1: far as top three films go. It's been there a lot.
Speaker 1: We covered it with Nick Cody Live in the Melbourne
Speaker 1: International Comedy Festival keeps coming up. It is, as I
Speaker 1: always say, a perfect film.
Speaker 4: Wait, had Cody not seen Back to the Future?
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 4: God, I don't have to talk to him about.
Speaker 1: That, And like it's Back to the Future is one
Speaker 1: of those like I thought I would never find anyone
Speaker 1: who hasn't seen it. There are some films going to
Speaker 1: go I won't. Everyone's seen Star Wars.
Speaker 4: It's like the Simpsons. Someone says, I've never seen the
Speaker 4: Simpson Like, how are you alive?
Speaker 1: I married to one of those people. Yeah, she's good
Speaker 1: in many other ways. But yeah, Back to the Future
Speaker 1: keeps coming up. And it was I finally yeah when
Speaker 1: Cody said, and it was a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and I just just hold off. We'll find time to
Speaker 1: do it, you know. And and and he held off
Speaker 1: watching it for like, you know, two hears and he
Speaker 1: finally found the time to do it live because I
Speaker 1: wanted to do it live because I thought it was
Speaker 1: a great film to do live. He did at the
Speaker 1: Melbourne National Comedy Festival. And yeah, he loved it, obviously.
Speaker 1: But I think it's a perfect film.
Speaker 4: They say it's the one of the perfect written films
Speaker 4: or trilogies that all the beats of our screen writing
Speaker 4: is meant to be done. They hit every mark perfectly.
Speaker 4: The characters are really really well defined, Like even Marty's brother,
Speaker 4: for instance, could have a show of his own. Is
Speaker 4: that defined of a character. So I think when you're
Speaker 4: talking about actual screenwriting and writing the perfect script back
Speaker 4: to the Future, they say Star Wars is as well,
Speaker 4: but Back to the Future is a perfectly written beat
Speaker 4: wise of how you read like Save the Cat, which
Speaker 4: is about screenwriting and stuff and the actual beats of
Speaker 4: writing a script. Back to the Future does it perfectly,
Speaker 4: and they loop in things from the beginning and settle them.
Speaker 4: By the end, everything's done exactly as it should be.
Speaker 4: It always bothered me because I've back if You've just
Speaker 4: been my favorite movie since I was a kid. I
Speaker 4: used to sleep in my clothes because Marty McFly did it.
Speaker 4: Like I was just obsessed with Back to the Future.
Speaker 4: But then when I got older and realized, oh, everyone
Speaker 4: loves this movie. It's not mine. I thought, oh, I
Speaker 4: should find something that's mine and cooler and stuff. But
Speaker 4: then I realized, just like what you like, and so
Speaker 4: I beg, I reckon, I know more knowledge about that
Speaker 4: movie than most people, because I just kept liking it
Speaker 4: and kept watching it, like I'll watch it every few months.
Speaker 4: I watched the trilogy. It's like one of my favorite
Speaker 4: things to do, just sit there. The music just makes
Speaker 4: me so happy. The Little Twinkles and everything that John
Speaker 4: Williams did, And obviously he's the greatest composer ever. Sorry
Speaker 4: to but the well, if you think about it, Home
Speaker 4: Alone and everything that John Williams anyway.
Speaker 1: Credit John william I often think with John Williams. I
Speaker 1: think I've asked somebody if they gave me a satisfactory answer,
Speaker 1: But like, would how would if John Williams was alive
Speaker 1: in the in the age of Mozart, Mozart and Beethoven,
Speaker 1: where would he be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is he as good as those guys?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I wonder because what he is good at is
Speaker 4: pairing at with a dramatic scene in a movie or
Speaker 4: a comedic pet in a movie. That's his skill. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And when you look at the movie and it does
Speaker 4: the little twinkle and it gives you that, oh, something's happening,
Speaker 4: Like he evokes that emotion in you. But just his
Speaker 4: music per se, I wonder. I know that He's obviously
Speaker 4: very talented and knows how to write music, but him
Speaker 4: scoring is that's his thing.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if if you hear Indiana Jones or
Speaker 1: Star Wars as a piece of music, and it's impossible
Speaker 1: for us to possibly take away the images and the
Speaker 1: feelings we have in nostalgia. We're connected to those movies
Speaker 1: in those moments. But I wonder if you just heard,
Speaker 1: if you played to somebody who hadn't seen those movies,
Speaker 1: that music alongside, you know, Beethoven's nine, I'm making that up.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's Beethoven's Night.
Speaker 4: Six per Sistine Chapel.
Speaker 1: I think it's Rembrandt's second. How would it compare? What
Speaker 1: feelings would they have?
Speaker 4: Unless we've just grown in a custom now. But you
Speaker 4: can pick a John Williams score from if he's doing
Speaker 4: a new movie or something. This is John Williams. You
Speaker 4: know his style. But he still does come out with
Speaker 4: new ones that are belters. And he did it with
Speaker 4: I mean, it's Jesus twenty years now, but it was
Speaker 4: Harry Potter. He still comes up with them. So I
Speaker 4: do think that a year back in the day, if
Speaker 4: his music was because he would have gone into that
Speaker 4: world rather than the scoring world, which ye, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I saw him live at the Hollywood Bowl and playing
Speaker 4: to Back to the Future. So John Williams was there
Speaker 4: with the orchestra playing along to it as you watch
Speaker 4: the movie. Incredible and then they did bugs Bunny cartoons
Speaker 4: and did it along to that was so great.
Speaker 1: I can't think of another movie that's been scored so
Speaker 1: well and then got a soundtrack that is also so
Speaker 1: connected to the movie. I mean, you cannot listen to
Speaker 1: Huey Lewis and not think of Back to the Future,
Speaker 1: Power of Love and Out of Time, Top Gun, Top Gun.
Speaker 1: But I the story is good in top it is
Speaker 1: pretty good, but I would have Back to the Future
Speaker 1: ahead of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, and all all of the songs that came
Speaker 4: out of that and Huey Lewis, and I love Hue's
Speaker 4: cameo in it. You're just too darn loud his song
Speaker 4: like it's just everything's perfect with that.
Speaker 1: It really is great film. Let's talk about your next film,
Speaker 1: which is a Tombstone. I've got a recollection that had
Speaker 1: coming up maybe once on this the great Kurt Russell
Speaker 1: of course and Vel Kilma.
Speaker 4: Now in his prime in that was his best holiday.
Speaker 1: I saw a T shirt almost brought it recently with
Speaker 1: Doc Holliday saying I'm in my prime.
Speaker 4: Really Yeah. How's the scene when he's flipping his little
Speaker 4: glass around with Johnny Johnny, look, honey, it's Johnny ringo.
Speaker 4: Johnny does his gun flipping thing and then he gets
Speaker 4: his little cup and it's so funny how they brought
Speaker 4: him so much comedy into that quite serious story of
Speaker 4: White And there's a good doco on Netflix that just
Speaker 4: came out the other day that I started watching, which
Speaker 4: prompted me in my mind to think of Tombstone again.
Speaker 4: It's all about White Earth, but they go into the
Speaker 4: more serious side of it. And the reason that I
Speaker 4: really love Tombstone is, first of all, I love the
Speaker 4: while the West I always pitch. I think it's interesting
Speaker 4: as men. When you watch the Wild West, you picture
Speaker 4: who would I be in the West. Would I be
Speaker 4: the nervous bartender, here's your whiskey. Would I be the
Speaker 4: guy in the corner just playing the piano, don't hurt me.
Speaker 4: Would I be the tough guy turning his mustache, or
Speaker 4: would I be Wide Earth? Would I be the hero?
Speaker 4: Would I be Clint Eastwood, and most I like to
Speaker 4: think that I would be Clint t Eatwood, but I
Speaker 4: think i'd get shot on the first day and just well,
Speaker 4: I tried my best.
Speaker 1: I think i'd be the local dentist. I think shut
Speaker 1: the Blinds.
Speaker 3: In the Street.
Speaker 1: But it is a great film, and we could talk
Speaker 1: about for longer, but there's a few things I want
Speaker 1: to talk about, Yes, before we get to cool hand.
Speaker 1: Luke your uncle, which I'm not sure if I don't think,
Speaker 1: I don't think I knew this that you reminded me
Speaker 1: or at least told me a week or so ago
Speaker 1: when we will have a gig together. Is the greatest
Speaker 1: strain director Richard Franklin. Yes, And the connection I have
Speaker 1: with Richard Franklin is he made the first movie I
Speaker 1: ever ever saw at Greensboro twint. I was swaging about
Speaker 1: it this on this podcast before. Can you guess which
Speaker 1: movie it was?
Speaker 4: Well, now I'm going to change. I was going to
Speaker 4: say it was Patrick, but I don't think you'd fall
Speaker 4: in love with that. That was a horror film, So
Speaker 4: I think it was the Is it the nil One?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, okay, it's the Pirate movie.
Speaker 4: What it's called the Pirate Movie Pate movie. Yes, oh
Speaker 4: I don't know it?
Speaker 1: Okay, so well too. And actually Nikki brittin how there's
Speaker 1: one of her three favorite films.
Speaker 4: Really, Yes, so I can watch my uncle's films that
Speaker 4: I haven't watched the Pirate.
Speaker 1: But now when I was looking through the films your
Speaker 1: uncle had made, it made sense because he made the
Speaker 1: Blue Lagoon. Yes, And Christopher Atkins is in the Pirate movie.
Speaker 1: Ah okay, and I think it's Christy McNichol okay or
Speaker 1: Cursty McNichol. And this is a movie that was shot
Speaker 1: down in Wherreby like at whereby mansion kind of area,
Speaker 1: and it's it was. I still remember going to the
Speaker 1: movies and having they had you know, they had little
Speaker 1: tis with at the candy store, you know, and they
Speaker 1: had like a little treasure chest and had like candy
Speaker 1: and I remember and I fell in love with that
Speaker 1: and the smell of the popcorn. And I love the movie.
Speaker 1: I actually got it. I got it on DVD, like
Speaker 1: I found it on DVD about ten years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what was it like growing up? Was obviously the
Speaker 1: cinema loom large in your in your house and.
Speaker 4: The yes, to a degree. When I was younger, I
Speaker 4: would go around to my uncle's house and he would
Speaker 4: show us films before anyone else. We saw Blue Lagoon
Speaker 4: before anyone else. We saw the Land before Time before
Speaker 4: anyone else. I remember bragging about that it's cool, I've
Speaker 4: already seated, and so we would sit and kind of
Speaker 4: watch some films with him. But I was way too young.
Speaker 4: I didn't understand what it was to be a filmmaker
Speaker 4: and stuff. And then but then when I was a
Speaker 4: teenager and I started to I used to make lego
Speaker 4: films for my friends at school, little stop start motion films,
Speaker 4: and then I'd take them and see which bits they
Speaker 4: liked and stuff. And it was this I was very
Speaker 4: interested in it always. And then I would go on
Speaker 4: set of my uncle's film. So he was doing a
Speaker 4: TV show called Beast Master in my teen years on
Speaker 4: the Gold Coast, and I went and watched a lot
Speaker 4: of that, and then I saw how production worked. And
Speaker 4: at Warner Brothers movie or you can do the backlot
Speaker 4: tour yep, and you can see how they do the
Speaker 4: sound and everything.
Speaker 1: I did the sound of the lethal weapon, yeah exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: And they'd throw the crate into the water when they
Speaker 1: crashed and stuff, and my Mum said, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to do that all day.
Speaker 4: The girls wanted to go on other rides and stuff,
Speaker 4: but I just wanted to do the backlot tour because
Speaker 4: I was with it. And so then that's where my
Speaker 4: uncle was shooting on the back lot of Warners with
Speaker 4: beast Master, And so I just fell more in love
Speaker 4: with the idea of making a film and the idea
Speaker 4: of storytelling, which is essentially what we do, but on
Speaker 4: a much grander scale and with props and everything like that.
Speaker 4: So the idea of making a movie has been a
Speaker 4: dream of mine since I was a kid, and something
Speaker 4: that I've been lucky enough to experience through my uncle's
Speaker 4: films and be on set and stuff. Like you said,
Speaker 4: the idea of going to the movies, and the smell
Speaker 4: of the popcorn, and the even the previews. I love
Speaker 4: watching previews. I make sure I'm very early to watch previews.
Speaker 4: I'm just obsessed with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it as well, and very exciting. The
Speaker 1: Great Emu War, which we might chat about at the
Speaker 1: back of this podcast, but very excited, goes in production
Speaker 1: early next year. We some massive comedy icons involved. It's insane.
Speaker 1: But we'll chat about that later on. Let's get into
Speaker 1: the film. We are here to talk about today.
Speaker 8: What we've got here is failure. Duke Milke, some man
Speaker 8: you just can't reach. So you get what we had
Speaker 8: here last week, which is the way he wants. Well,
Speaker 8: he gets it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
Speaker 8: Anymore than you me.
Speaker 1: Okay. Nineteen sixty seven a massive movie year. We covered
Speaker 1: the Graduate recently, same year with Damon Harriman, ye same year.
Speaker 1: In the Head of the Night was the same year
Speaker 1: we've covered that, And there's a couple of other movies.
Speaker 1: Well call him Luke obviously, and I guess he's coming
Speaker 1: to dinner. The best actor Oscar that year was insane.
Speaker 1: It was like it was Paul Newman for coll Ann Luke,
Speaker 1: Rod Steiger in the Head of the Night. It doesn't
Speaker 1: Hofpen for the graduate specer Tracy. If I guess he's
Speaker 1: coming for dinner. It was just insane. It was insane.
Speaker 1: Rod Steiger won. But anyway, getting ahead of ourselves. Monte
Speaker 1: Franklin nineteen sixty seven, starring Paul Newman George Kennedy, directed
Speaker 1: by Stuart Rosenberg. Did you enjoy cool Hamluck?
Speaker 4: Surprised how much I enjoyed it excellent. I love it,
Speaker 4: which is interesting because I knew it was an old film.
Speaker 4: I knew I was coming into a slower paced film
Speaker 4: than we're used to these days. And I was wondering beforehand,
Speaker 4: will I be bored because of the way that YouTube
Speaker 4: and everything has made our senses. I need the thing now,
Speaker 4: I need the thing now. And I was so relieved
Speaker 4: and happy ten minutes in that I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: thank god, yea that I personally still can appreciate and
Speaker 4: see great storytelling, great acting, and appreciate older styles of
Speaker 4: cinematography and the way they used sound and what they
Speaker 4: had at their disposal and the way that they use
Speaker 4: them back then. Like now you think, oh, well they
Speaker 4: did great work with CGI and they they didn't have
Speaker 4: any of that, So how do we make this cinematic?
Speaker 4: How do we make people sit there and just go oh?
Speaker 4: And the way that they did it was just so
Speaker 4: fun and it's almost like there was a lot of
Speaker 4: zoom ins to the mirrored glasses and then scenes playing
Speaker 4: out within the glasses, and it's almost like it would
Speaker 4: be what a student film would try and do. They're like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's cool. But it was cool. It was cool, and
Speaker 4: when I watched it, I was like, this is it cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is a cool film. This is I
Speaker 1: mean Shawshank comes, you know, twenty or so years yeah,
Speaker 1: you know after this, maybe twenty seven years after this,
Speaker 1: and Shaw Shanks a great film. But you can see
Speaker 1: the influence cool hand Luke would have had comp Shake Redemption.
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke does feel like Andy Dufrayan, like a
Speaker 1: cooler Andy Dufrayan coming in and shaking things up. I
Speaker 1: love this film. I watched it when you know, my
Speaker 1: late teens, probably off the back I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: it was off the back of the Guns N' Roses album,
Speaker 1: but maybe around that time. I loved it. I hadn't
Speaker 1: watched it, I don't think since, so when I sat
Speaker 1: down to watch it again, I was like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if I'm going to enjoy it as much? And I
Speaker 1: really loved it. I think this is a stunning film.
Speaker 1: I don't think I get spoken about enough. I think
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's occasionally it's referred to as a
Speaker 1: cult classic. I think it deserves to be more than
Speaker 1: a cult classic. I think it's and out in that
Speaker 1: classic I think Paul Newman, maybe we should have start there.
Speaker 1: Paul Newman, your first Paul Newman experience. What did you
Speaker 1: make of this again?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's dreamy, That's all it comes down to. That's
Speaker 4: the thing that people always talk about, Oh, they've got
Speaker 4: star power, or they've got this. You gut it, keed,
Speaker 4: you gut it. But when people have it, you can't
Speaker 4: help but stare at them. It's like Harrison Ford, just
Speaker 4: you stare it, and every word that comes out of
Speaker 4: the mouth, you're like, oh.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 4: And there's people that you meet in your lives that
Speaker 4: have that just around too. Sometimes you're just like, Wow,
Speaker 4: this person's captivating.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 4: What is it about them? Is it the way they
Speaker 4: carry themselves? Is it their confidence? I'm not sure what
Speaker 4: it is. But the first second that he drops down
Speaker 4: to the ground after trimming all the parking meters, you
Speaker 4: just get a sense of this guy that you want
Speaker 4: to be mates with him, that you want to hang
Speaker 4: out with him, that you want to get drunk and
Speaker 4: cut parking meters off with him, That I'm with you,
Speaker 4: And that's what you want in your lead character in
Speaker 4: a movie, don't you want? All right, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: Where are we going with this story? What are you
Speaker 4: telling me? I'm here? And instantly I felt that with him.
Speaker 1: We did the sting just recently with Frankie McNair and
Speaker 1: we both loved that. We both were watching it for
Speaker 1: the first time, both loved it. It's Paul Newman and
Speaker 1: at Redford together again. After following up from Buscashi and
Speaker 1: The Sundance Kid, I was reading that Paul Newman was
Speaker 1: advised not to do it because comedy, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the light touch for comedy. And you watch, You're watching
Speaker 1: Koland Luke again. No, that's such bad advice. Like he
Speaker 1: does have this charisma and that smile and the laugh,
Speaker 1: and like he brings a lightness, you know to this
Speaker 1: character where it could have been played differently and have
Speaker 1: a real kind of heaviness to it. But like you said,
Speaker 1: that first shot where he drops to the ground, he's
Speaker 1: sitting up against the parking meter, he's cut the head
Speaker 1: off and he just breaks in. The cops coming, he
Speaker 1: breaks into a laugh and the title comes up, Koland Luke.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm in Yeah, I'm in here.
Speaker 4: I mean, where's this guy going? I'm coming with you.
Speaker 4: It's yeah. In the that's what you want in your
Speaker 4: lead character. It's it's almost He reminded me a lot
Speaker 4: of like Ryan Gosling of what Ryan Gosling's doing these days.
Speaker 4: He's bringing comedy very very well, but in such a
Speaker 4: such a subtle way. He doesn't need to sell it
Speaker 4: too much, and by saying need to some people sell
Speaker 4: it and sell it great. Jim Carrey is one of
Speaker 4: the best salesmen of comedy that there has ever been.
Speaker 4: But sometimes people can bring it right back. Harrison Ford
Speaker 4: again very good, just bringing it right back to just
Speaker 4: a word or just a look, and that is enough
Speaker 4: to sell the comedy. And the people around him in
Speaker 4: the Chain Gang were more over the top and he
Speaker 4: was a little bit more reserved, but he was the
Speaker 4: one that you kept looking to. He was the center
Speaker 4: and focal point, and the attention was always what's look doing? Yeah,
Speaker 4: my god, it's cool. Yes, he's cool, hand Luke, but
Speaker 4: he's cool as well. There's something really gravitos to what
Speaker 4: he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. And the actor is also I think, uniformly great.
Speaker 1: Like the shots in this movie which almost like a
Speaker 1: painting strickt Rosenbig does a really good job of this,
Speaker 1: like creating, nobody dominates, you know. It's certainly Luke's picture,
Speaker 1: and Lukey is the guy, and that's how you want
Speaker 1: to feel. That's that's what they're feeling.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 1: It's like this guy, you know, like you said, I
Speaker 1: want to be his mate. But I think they're all
Speaker 1: from the acting the actor's company in New York, so
Speaker 1: I love them knew each other so that he felt
Speaker 1: like this there was a camaraderie between the actors. I
Speaker 1: love it. I think George Kennedy is really good, you know,
Speaker 1: like I think you know, they're obviously in different categories.
Speaker 1: I think Paul Newman, you know, I would loved from
Speaker 1: the Winn and Oscar for this, he wins it for
Speaker 1: the Hustler? Is it the Hustler? Years later? That wasn't
Speaker 1: like he's been better in other films. It was good
Speaker 1: and that absolutely, but this was I think his best
Speaker 1: performance that I've seen.
Speaker 4: All right, So just touching on you said, sometimes it's
Speaker 4: like a picture that they're painted. There was a scene
Speaker 4: where it cuts to a storm coming and I think
Speaker 4: it's actually just a painting. It's a still shot. It
Speaker 4: doesn't have a movement to it, and this storm is
Speaker 4: coming and it's the noise of a storm, like it's
Speaker 4: just a still shot of clouds. It's very funny.
Speaker 1: That's nineteen sixty seven. I was still working their way
Speaker 1: through what they could do and what they can't do.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the eggs. You brought it up earlier.
Speaker 1: It does come out of nowhere, which is kind of
Speaker 1: like is it is a comedic scene. And we've spoken
Speaker 1: a little bit about the light touch of pon human
Speaker 1: in this and the comedy in it. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: a comedy though it's and I hate that we get
Speaker 1: to this point where we have to label a film.
Speaker 1: Is it a comedy? Is it a jam? Is it
Speaker 1: a GM? Germany is a dirty word?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Like it's it's let films exist as they are, but
Speaker 1: we need yeah, we don't need to work out which
Speaker 1: part of the video section. I think that's probably where
Speaker 1: it really, you know, what we needed to label films.
Speaker 1: But certainly there's fun in this film, but there's also
Speaker 1: it packs a bit of a punch. So my belief
Speaker 1: of why the eggs this exists as opposed to just
Speaker 1: a comedic moment where he eats fifty eggs and comes out.
Speaker 1: I think he starts seeing himself potentially the opportunity to
Speaker 1: be a leader or is this a natural born leader?
Speaker 1: And he believes that by doing something this silly and
Speaker 1: fun is going to raise the morale of the inmates,
Speaker 1: and this becomes I think, you know, we see it
Speaker 1: later on when they're tarring the road as well, that's
Speaker 1: his that's what he sees his purpose because it's tarring
Speaker 1: of the road. I think is fascinating because Luke, he's
Speaker 1: not he's not fighting the system. He's not there like
Speaker 1: if the authorities, you know, saw him as an asset,
Speaker 1: like and kind of forgetting. It was almost like watching
Speaker 1: it for the first time. I kind of knew some
Speaker 1: of the beats, but I couldn't remember it all. And
Speaker 1: I was thinking at one point, as part of the
Speaker 1: what they do is do they try to keep him longer?
Speaker 1: Like Dofrain in Shoshank, they keep him longer than he
Speaker 1: needs to serve because he's become beneficial to the warden's business.
Speaker 1: So I thought, is that what they do here as well?
Speaker 1: They keep looking longer than they need to because he's
Speaker 1: so helpful, and the tarring of the road, they tar
Speaker 1: it quicker. They tar with energy. You know, they're they're
Speaker 1: they're upbeat that they're happy about the work they've done there.
Speaker 1: It's such a great scene, made weird only by the
Speaker 1: fact that the nine news theme comes in.
Speaker 4: It was so funny.
Speaker 1: So the composer, it's his original that the Channel nine
Speaker 1: news theme was written for cool Hand Luke, and which
Speaker 1: is the in the in America is the eyewitness news theme.
Speaker 1: So the composer kept on getting people like, I love
Speaker 1: the score you did for the cool hand. Look, but
Speaker 1: why did you use thee with this news.
Speaker 4: The breaking news, breaking news?
Speaker 1: So outside of that kind of the slight weirdness for us,
Speaker 1: you know, watching it many many years later, it's it's
Speaker 1: such a such a clever and different way of doing it.
Speaker 1: Where Luke wasn't looking to rebel, he was looking to
Speaker 1: engage and lead. But what the authorities see is somebody
Speaker 1: they don't want the leader in that in that camp
Speaker 1: they want they want sheep. Yeah yeah, And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they have a man who the inmates will
Speaker 1: follow admire that is dangerous to them.
Speaker 4: It's interesting that you think he wants to be the leader.
Speaker 1: Whether he wants to be or is a natural born
Speaker 1: leader of but please.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he wants to be a leader,
Speaker 4: and I don't think he thinks himself as a leader.
Speaker 4: I think I think he just saw himself as someone
Speaker 4: who could. I think he was entertaining himself and other
Speaker 4: people came along for the ride. I think with the
Speaker 4: eggs thing, he just in his head he thought, I
Speaker 4: think I can eat fifty eggs. I'm just gonna see
Speaker 4: if I can eat fifty eggs in front of these guys.
Speaker 4: I don't think he thought, oh, this will rally everyone,
Speaker 4: this will excite people and give him something. I just
Speaker 4: think he was there and then the tarring of the road,
Speaker 4: he just in, this is what I thought, like in
Speaker 4: his head, he was just doing it slowly and then thought,
Speaker 4: why don't we see if I can do this as
Speaker 4: quick as I can and just see how that goes.
Speaker 4: And then everyone else rallies in and stuff. And because
Speaker 4: at the end he doesn't say, there we did it, guys,
Speaker 4: they go, what do we do now? He goes, it's
Speaker 4: just to sit here and enjoy this, and then they
Speaker 4: all then they're all looking to him like he's some
Speaker 4: kind of leader or messiah or something like that.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's certainly a messiah thing going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, but I don't think he ever ever buys
Speaker 4: into that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really it's an interesting discussion point, and
Speaker 1: it's possible that both things are true. You can eat
Speaker 1: eggs because you think this will be this is going
Speaker 1: to entertain Yeah. Yeah, this kills an hour of my time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, out of two years, a lot of eggs.
Speaker 1: If you do it every day, I feel like, well,
Speaker 1: well for me, I think to have complete investment in look,
Speaker 1: it needs to be more about himself than it needs
Speaker 1: to be about something more than himself. And we see
Speaker 1: when he you know, his mother comes to visit him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we get a great insight and that's an incredible scene.
Speaker 4: Incredible that one I actually paused and I thought about
Speaker 4: for quite some time because these days you would never
Speaker 4: get a scene like that.
Speaker 1: Eight pages of dialogue.
Speaker 4: I was that really had nothing to do with the story,
Speaker 4: rather than us realizing that he has a mother and
Speaker 4: a family and he's a person and he's loved so
Speaker 4: in your head you think, oh, there's someone on the
Speaker 4: outside for him. But they didn't need to come into
Speaker 4: that much detail of the conversation. But there was so
Speaker 4: much power to what she was talking about, and she
Speaker 4: touched on a lot of things that didn't need to
Speaker 4: be but were really interesting. That she loved one of
Speaker 4: her sons more than the other one.
Speaker 1: Well, she loved Luke Moore than she loved his brother.
Speaker 1: So she was leaving all her assets and property to.
Speaker 4: Because she felt bad that she didn't love him as
Speaker 4: much as she loved Luke. What an interesting thing to
Speaker 4: put in there that didn't need to be in there.
Speaker 4: But when I heard her, I just went, Wow, that's
Speaker 4: really interesting. It's dramatic. It hits you in the soul
Speaker 4: and you're like, wow, people do think.
Speaker 1: Let's have listened. Let's listen to uh these monm practically
Speaker 1: saying goodbye.
Speaker 2: I think it's just never the way they seem or
Speaker 2: you know that man's got to go his own way.
Speaker 3: I guess I just gotta.
Speaker 2: Gotta love you let go.
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 3: I ain't asking what you're gonna do when you get out,
Speaker 3: because I'll be dead and it don't matter.
Speaker 6: He never did want to live forever.
Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't such a hell of life.
Speaker 1: Oh I had me, I had me some high old times.
Speaker 8: You old man, Luke. He was He wasn't much good
Speaker 8: for sticking around, but damn it, he made me laugh.
Speaker 1: One of the things. I I agree that you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily need this for story, but I think it tells
Speaker 1: us so much about Luke, and I think maybe you
Speaker 1: can it is in it has it is connected to
Speaker 1: the story because she says nobody controls Luke. Nobody controls Luke,
Speaker 1: and she says, I guess I just have to love
Speaker 1: you and leave you, or that line was and that's
Speaker 1: the kind of cracks And that's the danger that Luke
Speaker 1: represents to the authorities that they can't control.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: I like that a lot, right, Yeah, And if his
Speaker 1: mother not that the authorities are watching this, but as
Speaker 1: an audience, we can see if his mother can't control Luke,
Speaker 1: what hope that the authorities have. And the idea also
Speaker 1: in there that and that comes back later on with
Speaker 1: his confession, and the church will get that a bit
Speaker 1: later on. But he hasn't been dealt a good hand,
Speaker 1: you know, and his father basically didn't know his father,
Speaker 1: So that that just gives us a little bit of
Speaker 1: an insight. Do we absolutely need it, Maybe not. And
Speaker 1: a lot of these movies from this era wouldn't give
Speaker 1: us that information. We've spoken a lot about even the graduate,
Speaker 1: how little you know about Benjamin Braddock outside of you
Speaker 1: know from from you know, seeing one to the the scene.
Speaker 1: You don't really know what he was studying and all
Speaker 1: these things. So this is I think reasonably uncommon for
Speaker 1: a movie from ninety sixty seven to give us such backstory.
Speaker 4: I think it'd be uncommon these days. Like if you
Speaker 4: were writing the script, and I've had script notes from
Speaker 4: executives and people, and they would look at that and go,
Speaker 4: you don't need that. That doesn't progress the story, That
Speaker 4: doesn't every inch of the way progress the story, and
Speaker 4: everything like that. But like you said, that actually broadens
Speaker 4: and richens the story so deeply that it's an integral
Speaker 4: part of the overall what we want to get out
Speaker 4: of this character, and that he is untamed, you know,
Speaker 4: he shouldn't be caged, so to speak. And then the
Speaker 4: rest of the time that we're watching him in it
Speaker 4: gives us more of a sense of oh, that they
Speaker 4: don't have control over him. Anything could happen. He could
Speaker 4: tar the road quickly right now, he could run off
Speaker 4: to the bush and pretends he's running it like we
Speaker 4: don't know what he's about to do. Yeah, So that
Speaker 4: definitely plays into that, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: And the turning point is the horrific choice that the
Speaker 1: authorities make when his mother passes away. He gets it,
Speaker 1: gets word, and instead of showing compassion to this inmate
Speaker 1: who's behaving and getting work done more efficiently and having
Speaker 1: boosting morale within the group, they punish him by putting
Speaker 1: him in the box to lessen the chance or the
Speaker 1: risk of him going rabbit and fleeing to get to
Speaker 1: his funeral. And that's basically the turning point of the film.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's almost like a dog that's being really well behaved
Speaker 4: and then you put it in a cage and you're like,
Speaker 4: what did you do that for? Because he's great, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's great with the kids, he's great. Like what are
Speaker 4: you doing that for?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And yeah, that was that really changed the way that
Speaker 4: I was watching the film. I was laughing at fifty
Speaker 4: eggs and then let's start the road quickly, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: these guys are going to do next?
Speaker 1: This is so fun.
Speaker 4: And then I was like be mean to Luke.
Speaker 1: Why are you doing it to my baby boy? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's but you do feel when he's put in the box,
Speaker 1: you know, like you think about that his mother has
Speaker 1: just passed away, and he gets somehow punished for it.
Speaker 1: There's that great line, I think, the famous line where
Speaker 1: he says, you know, I'm just doing my job and
Speaker 1: he's just calling it your job. Don't make it right, boss,
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a fantastic line.
Speaker 4: And parallels to share Shank that you're mentioning. That's exactly
Speaker 4: what happens when he's little mate that he's teaching English too,
Speaker 4: gets killed. He gets put in the box for a week.
Speaker 4: And it's exactly the same, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I think the only real difference, obviously there's different, but
Speaker 1: the only the end, which we're going to get to
Speaker 1: a bit a bit later, But you know one has
Speaker 1: a more of an happily on the beach and he
Speaker 1: goes where and he made love under and this says
Speaker 1: a different ending obviously, But yeah, that mother seen the
Speaker 1: actress both the theater background, so they're worried about the
Speaker 1: time it was going to take to do eight pages,
Speaker 1: but because they were just absolute pros and theater, they
Speaker 1: just they did. It almost came in under time.
Speaker 4: Eight pages is eight minutes, so that did not feel
Speaker 4: like eight minutes. No, it felt it felt really it
Speaker 4: felt so real and honest and a real conversation between
Speaker 4: two people, between a mother and a son. It was
Speaker 4: really well done.
Speaker 1: And not having like resisting the temptation to for a
Speaker 1: big you know, not romantic emotional would be a wind choice.
Speaker 1: How bad it They just.
Speaker 4: Passed, but he wasn't allowed to go to that area
Speaker 4: of the car. There's no look you stay there, yes.
Speaker 1: But but what like you can imagine, like the temptation
Speaker 1: to go she lunges out him and gives him a
Speaker 1: hut or he does that, and there's emotion, but they
Speaker 1: withhold that, they even physically keep them apart, and there's
Speaker 1: actually a barrier there, like there's you know, it's a
Speaker 1: choice to have her in the back of a car
Speaker 1: in a van where it's.
Speaker 4: He waves to her oddly in the end, if you remember,
Speaker 4: because I think he has to show both of his
Speaker 4: hands for the security guards. And so he stands back
Speaker 4: from the thing and says by mum with two hands
Speaker 4: like that, saying goodbye to his mum who will never
Speaker 4: see again. Just the way that he says goodbye is
Speaker 4: so it's so weird, but it's so you feel for him.
Speaker 4: You're like, I can't even say goodbye properly because he's
Speaker 4: in this because where he is, which.
Speaker 1: Is really clever because it sets up that he's already
Speaker 1: been had this kind of weird repress, kind of farewell
Speaker 1: to his mother already. So then when she does pass,
Speaker 1: you really feel it. And that scene where he gets
Speaker 1: the news and everyone just gives him his space, everyone
Speaker 1: out of respect, and they they all just part I
Speaker 1: really loved.
Speaker 4: I didn't say anything either. Yeah, I didn't need to.
Speaker 4: They just all left and let him sit in his
Speaker 4: bunk and play on his ukulele.
Speaker 1: Let's have listened to Paul Newman classic Jesus.
Speaker 2: Get Yourself the Sweetened Dollar dressed him Panstorm stating Shell
Speaker 2: going ninety scary cause I cut the Virgin Mary the
Speaker 2: shoeing and I welcome hell.
Speaker 1: So good. The tear this comes down the cheek, you
Speaker 1: know that. No, that's that's all acting these days. Back
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven, you can add that his impost puns.
Speaker 4: The tear down the cheek got me. I realized, Oh
Speaker 4: he's good, he's really good. Yeah, that scene I was
Speaker 4: actually watching, and my girlfriend walked in and went, what
Speaker 4: are you watching? And I was like, fully just staring,
Speaker 4: almost crying myself. I'm like, it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: I love him. Yeah, and then he just goes, he
Speaker 1: goes with a refrain, He kind of digs in.
Speaker 4: And there's a bit of anger in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really it's really cool. The car wash, we
Speaker 1: gotta get to the car wash so funny.
Speaker 4: Another scene like the fifty eggs didn't need to be there,
Speaker 4: but the fact that it is is just why the
Speaker 4: movie is so great. I think. Yeah, the the the
Speaker 4: way that the men were getting so riled up, they
Speaker 4: were squirming, they were that riled up. It was so funny.
Speaker 4: It was so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bordering on ridiculous. It's almost more ridiculous than that
Speaker 1: the eggs scene, but you know, it does it does show,
Speaker 1: you know, the restlessness and the urges of men who
Speaker 1: have been you know, imprisoned. Yeah, it's it's so over
Speaker 1: the top of that. And I'm not sure if this
Speaker 1: is the first sudsy car wash that was committed.
Speaker 4: That's what I assumed it was. That's why I was
Speaker 4: laughing so much. I go, this is where all of
Speaker 4: the subs, all the rest of them have come from. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's full ridiculous, Like she's fully pressed against the
Speaker 4: window at the end, scrubbing back and forth, and her
Speaker 4: breasted like in the in the in the foam. It's
Speaker 4: it's so.
Speaker 1: Funny because the house is you know, you can barely
Speaker 1: even spot the house for memory. You know, she could
Speaker 1: have done it close to the house. But she, I mean,
Speaker 1: so the act the actress who who was cast to
Speaker 1: do this car wash, she has been on record to
Speaker 1: say she wasn't really aware of how sexually charged this
Speaker 1: scene was and in her performance was, and she didn't
Speaker 1: realize what all this meant now right, I mean, I
Speaker 1: find that somewhat when you watch it, like she said,
Speaker 1: literally cleaning a window with her breasts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's ringing out the sponge on her breasts.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's impossible to think. But do you think the
Speaker 1: character knew what she was doing? Do you think I mean,
Speaker 1: I suspect she Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the line that one of them said,
Speaker 4: because she don't know what she's doing. And then Luke goes,
Speaker 4: she knows exactly what she's doing. She did, of course,
Speaker 4: she got all those guys paying attention to her. That's
Speaker 4: exactly what she was doing, like the character. And I
Speaker 4: just think the fact that she did it in nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty seven would be very rare, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 4: And then just the nature of it, the unnecessary scene
Speaker 4: in the movie but necessary in the end, and like
Speaker 4: the eggs and everything, which is what led to it
Speaker 4: to be such an interesting film and to watch. But
Speaker 4: that scene, I was audibly laughing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so ridiculous, you know. I suspect that you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be laughing. I don't think it's one of these
Speaker 1: things it's like, let's let's laugh at it behind the
Speaker 1: filmmakers back. I think it's it's intentionally funny.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: The reactions are you know some of the lines. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think drag Line says, Lord, if you're going to
Speaker 1: strike me down, wait five minutes or something, yeah, or
Speaker 1: something like that. Drag Line is an interesting character. He's
Speaker 1: like the big bear, top dog of the group, and
Speaker 1: he's the one I guess Luke has to go through
Speaker 1: to get acceptance, and he does so through this fight.
Speaker 1: I think it happens after the carwash when drag linees
Speaker 1: going on about how amazing you still fantasizing about him,
Speaker 1: and Luke says, this is not helping. You're not helping
Speaker 1: anyone here.
Speaker 4: And he goes, you get your sleep tomorrow we fight.
Speaker 1: And then it's on. It's on. But what did you
Speaker 1: make of the fighting scene.
Speaker 4: I thought it really cemented you to understanding Luke that
Speaker 4: he's he's a never give up, you can't cage me
Speaker 4: type of guy. I'm not even going to be caged
Speaker 4: in this fight. I'm not even going to go down
Speaker 4: in this fight. I'm going to I'm not going to
Speaker 4: talk my mouth off. I'm just going to keep going.
Speaker 4: And the hilariousness of some of the shots missing by
Speaker 4: a foot at least and then going I just liked
Speaker 4: it because I knew the year that it was made
Speaker 4: in the still and I'm like, okay, I'm going to
Speaker 4: put myself in nineteen sixty seven watching this film, and
Speaker 4: this is this is great. It was very interesting that
Speaker 4: the big guy what was his name, drag Line. Dragline
Speaker 4: starts off very tough, very gruff. We're going to call
Speaker 4: you no he is because you don't listen like very
Speaker 4: like this, and then after after that fight, it's oh,
Speaker 4: it's my babie boy. Oh mad, it's my beautiful boy.
Speaker 4: This changes completely.
Speaker 1: It is a switch. But I reargue with you. If
Speaker 1: you when you watch your back, you can kind of
Speaker 1: see that he is. He's not the brighter spark in that.
Speaker 4: That's exactly he's big.
Speaker 1: He's the big guy. Yeah. I do love that scene.
Speaker 1: And we've seen you know, I'm sure it's not the
Speaker 1: first scene of like stay down, man, stay down, and
Speaker 1: the character just keep on getting up. But I really,
Speaker 1: I really like it. I also feel like you really
Speaker 1: feel the sweat, you know, and the and the dirt
Speaker 1: like look being pummeled into the dirt and getting back up.
Speaker 4: When he gets back and there's so much dirt on
Speaker 4: his back, I kind of want to go, oh, someone
Speaker 4: dust him off a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's too much. That's too much.
Speaker 4: But it's so real and honest and doesn't look like
Speaker 4: a makeup artist put it on. It looks like he
Speaker 4: actually went down.
Speaker 1: Well, they shot that over three days, and that they
Speaker 1: were both knacked after because look, it's it's not necessary
Speaker 1: from the punching, obviously, but from the from the hitting
Speaker 1: the ground and and all that. So I love it.
Speaker 4: It's interesting to point out the drag Line is the
Speaker 4: big guy, but he's not a leader, is he? It
Speaker 4: seems when you go in there that he is the leader,
Speaker 4: but he's just the biggest and the loudest. But then
Speaker 4: you're right comes in who's an actual leader and everyone
Speaker 4: just turns to him. They never turned to drag Line
Speaker 4: that much. They were just kind of scared of him,
Speaker 4: which is This is something I wanted to bring up
Speaker 4: quickly of why men, I think would enjoy that movie
Speaker 4: a lot more than women. And I think men like
Speaker 4: watching prison movies because we think which one would I be?
Speaker 4: Would I be the big guy? Am I the leader? A?
Speaker 4: Am I the scared guy? Am I this?
Speaker 1: And that?
Speaker 4: And then it parallels in society of what man am I?
Speaker 4: Am I an alpha male? And everything like that? Right
Speaker 4: out in the world, Tom Cruise is an alpha male.
Speaker 4: I look to him, I think he's a legend, he's great,
Speaker 4: But in prison he's five foot two, he's not. He's
Speaker 4: not the guy, is he? So it's a different pecking order,
Speaker 4: and you wonder in your head would I make it?
Speaker 4: Would I be okay? Would I be carrying the corner?
Speaker 4: Would I cry? What would I do? And then women
Speaker 4: watch true crime documentaries. And it's because I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe they think, well, every man watches prison films, so
Speaker 4: they desperately want to go to prison. So I have
Speaker 4: to make sure that I know everything they could possibly
Speaker 4: do to avoid being by these paths.
Speaker 1: I was actually discussing with my wife this morning. My wife,
Speaker 1: I'll get up. My wife gets up usually before me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I write late into the night, that's an excuse.
Speaker 1: But I will get up and she'll be, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's don't think she kind of you know, she
Speaker 1: likes to do before she can sit down and have
Speaker 1: a tea. But she'd be watching some true crime.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, first thing in the morning.
Speaker 1: Watching true crime and she was murdered, and then she's
Speaker 1: make my tea. But she made the point that true
Speaker 1: crime is feels removed enough. If it was it's usually
Speaker 1: American true crime. It's a lot of those shows that
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and then they feel like they're historical
Speaker 1: almost where she goes, I couldn't watch like it was
Speaker 1: like a true crime about the abuse of a child.
Speaker 1: I couldn't watch that. I wouldn't start my day. But
Speaker 1: it feels like it still feels like entertainment, you know,
Speaker 1: which you know? I imagine I think we all know
Speaker 1: watch true crime as entertainment. I heard somebody want to say,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to write true crime at fiction.
Speaker 4: It's funny that women like watching true crime, but I
Speaker 4: dare say most women hate watching animal documentaries because animals
Speaker 4: get but the lion attack the gazelle and I can't
Speaker 4: make it. You watched eight episodes of this killer who
Speaker 4: went through the Midwest. Yep, that's far removed from real life.
Speaker 1: You can't watch the end of bandy. Let's we mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier there was christ like, there is a Messiah thing
Speaker 1: going on here, and it's a lot of us about
Speaker 1: hero worship. These inmates just look at Luke, and I
Speaker 1: think he gives them hope. And whether he has decided
Speaker 1: that that's his role or he's a natural born leader,
Speaker 1: everyone can decifer themselves, but I think there's certainly the
Speaker 1: hero worship thing going on. And we see when he
Speaker 1: comes back in from the grave and he has a Degeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great scene. It's like, well, have you put
Speaker 1: dirt in the sheriff's grave or whatever it is?
Speaker 4: And yes, there's no way he can win there's no
Speaker 4: way he can win.
Speaker 1: He can. He has to dig it and then fill
Speaker 1: it back in and then dig it again, and he
Speaker 1: ends up being pushed into it.
Speaker 4: That reminded me, Sorry, that reminded me of the scene
Speaker 4: in the Castle with Robert Redford when he kept making
Speaker 4: him move those bricks from one side to the other. Remember, yeah, yeah, see.
Speaker 4: That to me is the difference. But he was a
Speaker 4: he was a general in the army or something. But
Speaker 4: he definitely was a leader and rallied everyone in that film,
Speaker 4: didn't he see Luke doesn't do that as much, but
Speaker 4: he definitely has them all looking at him like they
Speaker 4: did it Robert Redford in the Castle, like they look
Speaker 4: to him as the leader. I just I didn't really
Speaker 4: feel like he said, right, I'm the guy. I think
Speaker 4: this is just what I got that he just went,
Speaker 4: all right, I'll be the guy man for me.
Speaker 1: He's just a yeah with the I agree he may
Speaker 1: not articulated to himself that I'm going to lead this group,
Speaker 1: but I think he's just such a natural born leader.
Speaker 1: He has natural charisma. He said. From the moment we
Speaker 1: saw him on camera when he was laughing, we wanted
Speaker 1: the bees, mate, You know.
Speaker 4: So maybe that's what he is, is like your mate
Speaker 4: who you all follow to the pub because you know,
Speaker 4: he's the fun one. And he's not necessarily a leader,
Speaker 4: is he. He's not going to take you into battle.
Speaker 2: But no.
Speaker 1: But but leaders can be you know, leaders can be
Speaker 1: the you know, the fung whoever organizes the bucks party.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't always have to be about battles
Speaker 1: and and but I think there is certainly a messiah
Speaker 1: thing going on the way they look at him the
Speaker 1: whole way through. And then but when he gets out
Speaker 1: of the grave and he.
Speaker 4: They start playing songs to him, to everything, the guy
Speaker 4: gets the katari goes, oh, this is all I can
Speaker 4: do to help our messiah. That starts playing to give
Speaker 4: him something that's to show that they're all there with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then and then he gets out and he begs
Speaker 1: a stomp, and that's when they turn on him.
Speaker 4: They turn on him quickly.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a you know, lots of religious
Speaker 1: kind of you know stuff going on in his motifs,
Speaker 1: and him getting out of the grave could be seen
Speaker 1: as Jesus is going to getting out of the tomb
Speaker 1: and rising again. But he right, you know, and he
Speaker 1: he begs and they tear up the picture.
Speaker 4: That he instantly tear the picture up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when does that happy? They place him on the table?
Speaker 1: Does that happened?
Speaker 4: After the they place him on the table with the eggs.
Speaker 1: And the eggs he might be after the eggs, and
Speaker 1: he's in a crist like, deliberately christ like pose. He's
Speaker 1: on the table pose his feet that crossed over.
Speaker 4: Is only you're right, and very specific.
Speaker 1: It was very and thirty seventy is his number, and
Speaker 1: thirty seven refers to a particular passage in the Bible.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of obviously it ends, you know,
Speaker 1: in the church. But what what did you what did
Speaker 1: you make of their turning against him? Because it is
Speaker 1: a bit you know, come on.
Speaker 4: Guys, Yeah I did definitely that was that was me
Speaker 4: fully on Luke's side, and I'm like, all right, he's
Speaker 4: gone through a lot. But they instantly ripped up the thing.
Speaker 4: They all turned their backs on him as he walked through,
Speaker 4: whereas fifteen twenty minutes earlier, they all gave him the
Speaker 4: respect when his mother died and left him to in
Speaker 4: that same room, and then they all acted like he
Speaker 4: wasn't even there. They dropped him that quickly that I
Speaker 4: really I was angry at them. I was like, come on, guys,
Speaker 4: we're in this together and he's gone through it. You
Speaker 4: need to stand by him like he stood by you
Speaker 4: and has been the rock that you've needed. And they
Speaker 4: turned him so quickly. And it was interesting later when
Speaker 4: Dragline runs away with him and says, oh, you were
Speaker 4: playing this the whole time, like he wanted him to say, yes,
Speaker 4: I was, and he goes, no, I wasn't. He broke me,
Speaker 4: and drag Line couldn't accept it. He wanted to know
Speaker 4: that Luke was always the Luke that they had put
Speaker 4: into their messiah eyes, and when he didn't and broke,
Speaker 4: they couldn't handle it. And it was really interesting when
Speaker 4: drag Line said that. He goes, oh, you were playing
Speaker 4: us the whole time, and when he realized, he goes, no,
Speaker 4: tell me you were playing us, like he really was
Speaker 4: begging him to just at least tell me that. So
Speaker 4: I think it was interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And he actually said I've never planned anything
Speaker 1: in my life. Yeah, And I did think when he
Speaker 1: said that, I did go, well, hang on, how did
Speaker 1: you that first escape? You know where it was there
Speaker 1: obviously was a plan.
Speaker 4: It was funny how they didn't show it at all
Speaker 4: for the movie, did they? They just started doing it.
Speaker 4: I really love that they did that. Like usually in
Speaker 4: a movie Shaw Shank Redemption, half of the plot is
Speaker 4: showing how he did and how he gets to it
Speaker 4: and everything. This just they're having a loud Fourth of
Speaker 4: July party and he's just got a sore and then
Speaker 4: you're going, oh, he's breaking out. I didn't even tell us.
Speaker 4: They didn't prepare us for this.
Speaker 1: And then then he's out and they don't show him
Speaker 1: being captured, which again I kind of I kind of liked.
Speaker 4: I really liked it. It reminded me a little bit
Speaker 4: of is it Peter Sellers and the Panther when he
Speaker 4: just kept getting brought back in the anvil? Yeah, just
Speaker 4: brought it back immediately.
Speaker 1: But those scenes when he when he is and the
Speaker 1: dogs that are chasing him there while the crashing through
Speaker 1: fences and apparently that was that was happening, and the
Speaker 1: actor was just like, I guess I'm just gonna have
Speaker 1: to go underneath, and like that they were literally being pulled.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, dogs can only act this a
Speaker 1: certain amount. Yeah, I do like when they he comes
Speaker 1: across these these two boys. I think it's his second escape.
Speaker 1: And let's listen.
Speaker 5: How to take your pants on.
Speaker 3: The best ways to get rid of them when they're going?
Speaker 2: What you mean?
Speaker 3: Strong enough?
Speaker 7: Strong enough for what?
Speaker 2: You couldn't have to an act?
Speaker 7: Can too?
Speaker 5: But you can't can to?
Speaker 7: Bet you can't can too.
Speaker 3: I'll bet you can't.
Speaker 2: Can.
Speaker 4: Well, then go get it man?
Speaker 6: What's your name?
Speaker 2: Boy? Ben?
Speaker 1: Ben?
Speaker 2: Have you been taking those starts off her pants?
Speaker 5: You know it?
Speaker 8: Kid?
Speaker 3: M hm, you want to see something real funny. You're
Speaker 3: going in there and you get me a chili, powder
Speaker 3: and pepper and Korean and lake land of it all right.
Speaker 1: I think that the two kids were really good, and
Speaker 1: I really felt that the kid's disappointment when he thought
Speaker 1: he was going to be the one who heaved the
Speaker 1: ass and and then Link said out let me take it, Yes,
Speaker 1: And this goes behind and he buries his head in
Speaker 1: his hands and kind of felt his pain.
Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be part of it.
Speaker 4: Got your axe, But.
Speaker 1: I I the escapes aren't fun and and and I
Speaker 1: think obviously a massive part of that the second act,
Speaker 1: but I you know, when he's returned. I think the
Speaker 1: inmates are kind of happy to see him again, like
Speaker 1: the Yeah, They're not like, oh damn, he didn't get out.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, it looks back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They need him because I think he represents hope. I
Speaker 1: think that's a big thing as well. I think to
Speaker 1: them represents hope. So when they break him and he
Speaker 1: begs for mercy, I think they see that as Hope
Speaker 1: being lost.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I just still think they turned too quickly.
Speaker 4: Absolutely interesting in that scene, and it reminded me. Throughout
Speaker 4: the film. You can hear birds chirping in the background
Speaker 4: a lot, and I was listening to it because the
Speaker 4: sounds very interesting. Nineteen sixty seven, they didn't use much sound.
Speaker 4: There wasn't much of a score. There was a lot
Speaker 4: of silence, and it really played into the gravity of
Speaker 4: certain scenes, and I really liked it. I liked the
Speaker 4: lack of needing to cram too much sound in. But
Speaker 4: the birds in the background for me was very interesting
Speaker 4: because it was almost like throughout the whole thing, it
Speaker 4: showed that freedom and outside is there, it's in reach,
Speaker 4: and so while he's in there and insular and they're
Speaker 4: having this world and they're and they're fighting, and they're boxing,
Speaker 4: and they're you know, they're digging holes and everything. Freedom
Speaker 4: and a different existence is chirping in the trees. You
Speaker 4: can hear it the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point because
Speaker 1: you want Yeah, I mean, somebody could drive by and
Speaker 1: have access to enjoy those birds and and and and
Speaker 1: the smells. But all of a sudden you put change on,
Speaker 1: you know, and you are incarcerated. It changes you're experience
Speaker 1: and your will view. Yeah, it's yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: What did you As we move towards the back end,
Speaker 1: what do you make of it? So we think Luke
Speaker 1: is broken, that he's conformed. He's helping, you know, the
Speaker 1: the authorities, retrieving a turtle that's been shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, we haven't cover the authorities, so
Speaker 1: we've got our old mate. The failure to communicate.
Speaker 4: Great performance, great and very subtle. Probably has four lines
Speaker 4: of dialogue the whole film.
Speaker 1: So so good in the delivery method, and you're not
Speaker 1: sure whether he is does he want to be liked?
Speaker 4: It's funny because you don't. There's not enough of him
Speaker 4: to hate him, there's not enough to understand him. Or anything.
Speaker 4: I did draw parallels to the warden in Shawshank Redemption,
Speaker 4: because when in the end of that one, when he
Speaker 4: ends up shooting himself, you're like, good, I hated that guy.
Speaker 4: But this guy you'd never got a sense of. But
Speaker 4: he came in and he had the authority and you
Speaker 4: knew what he was, but you never got enough of
Speaker 4: him to to to really feel a presence of what
Speaker 4: he meant. But it was enough. He's like the prince
Speaker 4: at school. You never really see the principle, but you
Speaker 4: know he's there.
Speaker 1: He looms large. But I mean there is that scene,
Speaker 1: the failure to communicate scene where he whacks him and
Speaker 1: he rolls down into the forefront of the frame. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful shot. And this film is so such a
Speaker 1: good looking film. You know, I'm not just on about
Speaker 1: porn humaneous. It's absoutely gorgeous. In fact, the director was
Speaker 1: getting a bit frustrated because he thought he wanted this
Speaker 1: to be a grittier kind of film. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a beautifully shot film. The merit sunglasses we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: but that's this is a great character and I believe
Speaker 1: the thinking behind it is and I think this is
Speaker 1: why I often cops or prison guards would often wear
Speaker 1: at a certain time merit sunglasses because it kind of
Speaker 1: it reduces the the you know, the chance of having
Speaker 1: apathy or humanity if you're just looking into you can't
Speaker 1: see their eyes. And obviously there's a little payoff in
Speaker 1: the very final moment with that. But so Luke's final escape,
Speaker 1: he's he's shaking the bush and all that. Very clever.
Speaker 1: He escapes and he gets so this is actually sorry,
Speaker 1: this is the that's the second. In the second one,
Speaker 1: the car jumps into the car and takes off, drag
Speaker 1: line jumps in. You mentioned, Neil, we're free and knew
Speaker 1: you were, knew you were you were faking it, and
Speaker 1: then they go their separate ways. What are you thinking
Speaker 1: at this point?
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I was thinking. When he started
Speaker 4: running and getting the gun and killing the turtle and everything.
Speaker 4: I felt betrayed by Luke. Yeah right, I felt, how
Speaker 4: could you We were a team? You are now just
Speaker 4: one of their shills, said the roy word. I felt
Speaker 4: very betrayed by him, and I thought, please please come back, Yeah,
Speaker 4: which is what they were all feeling.
Speaker 1: Which is fascinating, isn't it. This maybe made in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty seven, and you have felt about Luke from the
Speaker 1: first moment you see him, and that's exactly what the
Speaker 1: director wants you to feel exactly, And now you're feeling
Speaker 1: exactly what the direct exactly.
Speaker 4: They Yeah, I was a perfect audience member that they wanted.
Speaker 4: And as soon as he got in the truck and
Speaker 4: drove off, for a second, I thought, was he allowed
Speaker 4: to drive that truck and he's going to get something?
Speaker 4: But then when there was some speed to it, I
Speaker 4: just went, oh, thank god, he's back.
Speaker 2: It looks back. He's back.
Speaker 4: And I wanted him to say I was playing it
Speaker 4: the whole time like he did as well, But when
Speaker 4: he didn't, I still said, Nah, he was in my head.
Speaker 4: I still wanted him to be that weird, but I
Speaker 4: wanted to believe that he was playing that he hadn't
Speaker 4: been broken.
Speaker 1: Well, I still wonder if maybe I'm in the same
Speaker 1: boat as you're just wanting to believe it. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: may share you sure that's subconsciously please back recesses of
Speaker 1: your brain. You thought, you know, I need to if
Speaker 1: I play the part, Yes, if I played the part,
Speaker 1: the moment will come.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they go their separate ways, and Luke finds at church,
Speaker 1: and this is I think it's a fascinate sequence of events.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to look in the church.
Speaker 5: I know I'm a pretty evil fellow. Kill people in
Speaker 5: the war, and I got drunk and chewed up municipal
Speaker 5: property and the life. I know I got no call
Speaker 5: to ask for much. But even so, you gotta admit
Speaker 5: you ain't helped me, no cards in a long time.
Speaker 5: Getting it looked like you got things fixed, So I
Speaker 5: can't never went out.
Speaker 3: And signed outside all them rules and regulations and bosses.
Speaker 7: You made me like I am and just where am
Speaker 7: I supposed to fit in?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 7: Man, I gotta tell you, I started out pretty strong
Speaker 7: and fast, but it's beginning to get to me.
Speaker 2: When does it end?
Speaker 4: What do you got in mind for me?
Speaker 2: What do I do? Now?
Speaker 1: It's you know, he's come out. I think he said
Speaker 1: in the Korean War, I think is the war there
Speaker 1: that they refer to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he won purple hearts and stuff like he
Speaker 4: was a hre.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is absolute hero and he's come back. And
Speaker 1: this would have, I think, spoken to a lot of
Speaker 1: the servicemen and women's experience coming back from from conflict,
Speaker 1: just feeling lost and forgotten. Yeah, really, when when you
Speaker 1: when you, if you frame it like that, and if
Speaker 1: you remember that. As he's saying all this, I think
Speaker 1: he's extremely powerful, very sad.
Speaker 4: Very powerful, very sad. I was, you know what, I
Speaker 4: think parallels a lot of and I only can experience
Speaker 4: what I've experienced as a man. So for men, exactly
Speaker 4: what he said still rains true today. I started out
Speaker 4: with dreams, and I started out strong and trying my best,
Speaker 4: and I've been beaten down. Give me a break, what's
Speaker 4: next for me? Here's a lot that goes on through
Speaker 4: men of a certain age, probably around thirty five to
Speaker 4: about fifty five, it is. And so watching that scene,
Speaker 4: you massively feel, yeah, give us a go, like we're
Speaker 4: trying our best. Yeah, And I really really felt that
Speaker 4: in that scene, and it was said it was very interesting.
Speaker 4: I thought it was quite good to his character. Drag Line.
Speaker 4: He said he's a little bit of an idiot because
Speaker 4: Luke's looking up talking to God. Track Line walks in
Speaker 4: and like looks up, like where are you looking? And
Speaker 4: it's a lot of so funny that they added that
Speaker 4: in He's like look, baby boy. And then he goes like,
Speaker 4: who are you talking to? Like you're at a church,
Speaker 4: you know who he's talking to. You don't have to
Speaker 4: look up.
Speaker 1: But I guess Luke obviously has some faith. It's been
Speaker 1: rocks and it's probably been discarded, and maybe it's his
Speaker 1: last chance. He's tried to escape, he's been found every time.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just he's just looking for one last little
Speaker 1: pace of gardens. And I think then he does get
Speaker 1: on his knees and and and ask for help on my.
Speaker 7: Knees asking, Yeah, that's what I thought. I guess I'm
Speaker 7: pretty tough to deal with, hard case. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 7: I gotta find my own way.
Speaker 6: M M.
Speaker 7: That's your answer, man, I guess you're a hard case too.
Speaker 1: I love that line. Yeah, yeah, but yes he has
Speaker 1: he has for help, and he sends drag lining, and
Speaker 1: like you said, he looks he's looking around. But you know,
Speaker 1: like drag Line doesn't have that, I guess in his life.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't the idea of talking, you know, right, possibly, possibly,
Speaker 1: but what a bad choice by drag line. I was
Speaker 1: frustrated with drag line here.
Speaker 4: Oh, very why did you lead him to Luke like.
Speaker 1: Would have worked it out. Yeah, And I think, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I think subconsciously, you know, like he's probably thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm caught. I can't survive this now with what I
Speaker 1: know now of how life can be in the camp
Speaker 1: with Luke in it. It's better with Luke in it.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna take him back with me.
Speaker 4: They definitely showed that part of drag Line's character when
Speaker 4: they separated, and he just kept looking longingly like he'd
Speaker 4: left a dog in the woods, like how could you
Speaker 4: leave me here? He even walks off and looks back.
Speaker 4: He takes steps back towards Luke. He doesn't just look back.
Speaker 4: He goes oh, and then doesn't know what to do
Speaker 4: with himself. So when he does get caught and stuff,
Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, I'll take him to Luke and
Speaker 4: then then we'll be back in our bunks. But in
Speaker 4: an hour, you know, and he even says that he
Speaker 4: goes only pin and how we'll get out back. We
Speaker 4: can go back to the way things were, yes and right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was definitely in that. I'm like, I have you idiot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't disappointed in him because it's his character. But
Speaker 4: I was like, you idiots, we were almost free. But
Speaker 4: also I felt a little bit with that money Luke
Speaker 4: saying my knee's here talking to you and stuff, I
Speaker 4: felt like that was a little bit of acceptance of
Speaker 4: his fate. Before you heard the cops and everything come in.
Speaker 4: I felt like he kind of went, all right, well,
Speaker 4: whatever it is is like yeah, I really that's what
Speaker 4: I felt in that moment, that almost that he couldn't
Speaker 4: get a run away from his fate.
Speaker 1: I certainly felt that when he said I guess you're
Speaker 1: a hard case too. Yeah, I certainly felt there. But
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. I mean you could almost see that,
Speaker 1: to be honest, that is dragline Judas in this It
Speaker 1: is a betrayal. It's like, you know, Judas was paid
Speaker 1: the Three to point Jesus out or to betray him
Speaker 1: and Dragon.
Speaker 4: I think he's done and didn't realize that he was Judas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think he's been played. But
Speaker 1: like I said, and then you mentioned all that stuff
Speaker 1: about the bunks week we give be back, I think
Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't tell himself that he's betrayed Luke. But
Speaker 1: I think subconsciously. He certainly has like he's led the cops.
Speaker 1: Luke would have been fine, Yeah, drag Line, yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: gets caught.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And but then he also says they've got us, like
Speaker 4: they got yeah that he just like, oh, well they've
Speaker 4: got us, let's go back to our bunks and talk
Speaker 4: about it. What he wants, Yeah, he wants to talk
Speaker 4: with his mate in the bunk.
Speaker 1: They go back, goes to the window. It's a great
Speaker 1: it's a great refrain of the line. What we got
Speaker 1: here is a failure to communicate. Yeah, we're you expecting.
Speaker 1: What were you expecting at this point?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: It shocked me, which again a class accordience member playing
Speaker 4: into exactly what they wanted. I went, no, oh, he's
Speaker 4: not going to die. And it was as soon as
Speaker 4: he started saying the line, I knew where what he
Speaker 4: was doing, and I instantly just went, oh, it's good.
Speaker 4: But I did not expect the shot.
Speaker 1: The shot was. It actually took me. I think I
Speaker 1: jolted a little bit when it happened. And and then
Speaker 1: he's taken out, he's walking. I would have liked I
Speaker 1: would have liked drag Line to carry him out. I
Speaker 1: kind of think he looked because do you believe he's
Speaker 1: dead at the end.
Speaker 4: I believe he's smile.
Speaker 1: And I believe that too, But I would have liked
Speaker 1: him do like I carried him out, he looks like
Speaker 1: he was walking okay enough, and then he's dead, which
Speaker 1: I'm not saying couldn't happen, but I just kind of think,
Speaker 1: I know, more poetically, perhaps him, you know, lifting him out,
Speaker 1: putting him in the car to smile, because he says
Speaker 1: that was Luke's power, like he's smiled in their face
Speaker 1: of authority. He wasn't. He was never trying to defeat them.
Speaker 4: Really, he's I thought it was interesting you bring that
Speaker 4: up too, because when he walked out with him, I thought,
Speaker 4: this is interesting that they're playing it this way. But
Speaker 4: that was his character the whole time he was standing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess it's And if drag Line had carried him out,
Speaker 4: we would have felt more like Dragline should have gone,
Speaker 4: why why did this happen to us? And it would
Speaker 4: have changed the perception of Luke to the very end,
Speaker 4: being untamed. You can't of entame him in death. He's
Speaker 4: still going to do it his way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really good point. I like that.
Speaker 1: I do like that. And he does say in the
Speaker 1: fight when he's when he's down, he keeps on getting down,
Speaker 1: and he keeps on getting up, and they say stay
Speaker 1: down and stay down, which is I guess is you
Speaker 1: know echoes in this scene, you know he's not going
Speaker 1: to stay down. He's going to he's going to walk
Speaker 1: to his death. But he says, you're going to have
Speaker 1: to kill me, and this is what happens. But and
Speaker 1: he he's still smiling, and they cannot take that from Luke,
Speaker 1: you know, they can't rob him of his who he is.
Speaker 1: And then there's the running over of the mirror glasses,
Speaker 1: which I take that mean that Lucas had an impact,
Speaker 1: the man who's made them suffer more than maybe anybody else.
Speaker 4: It's almost like his armor is off, yes, and it's broken.
Speaker 1: But look has a legacy, almost that Lucas had an impact, and.
Speaker 4: That it seemed a little bit insignificant in the end,
Speaker 4: like look how easily you can smash those glasses. Look
Speaker 4: how easily this guy can be broken. Like when drag
Speaker 4: Line went up and shook him, he did cower. He
Speaker 4: didn't stand above him. Fight back, hit him with a gun.
Speaker 4: He didn't go get away from me, coward and it
Speaker 4: was interesting to watch him. And the whole time he
Speaker 4: was stoic. In the movie. It was a big four.
Speaker 4: He had that gun. He chewed a bird out of
Speaker 4: the sky with one shot. That this guy is But
Speaker 4: then he cowered in the end, and he was so
Speaker 4: easily broken, his glasses, his armor was so easily just
Speaker 4: shed to one side. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if those glasses were to represent, you know,
Speaker 1: having a certain inhumanity, those glasses removed and like you said,
Speaker 1: cowering all of a sudden, he does seem very human.
Speaker 1: And that's what Luke has brought into the camp. That's
Speaker 1: his legacy. I think it's I think it's great. I
Speaker 1: think it's great, mate. I think this podcast comes with homework.
Speaker 1: I always say, and you have gone above and beyond.
Speaker 1: You are you are busy. You are getting ready for
Speaker 1: your huge national tour. You are playing Haimer Hall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Blarodie Hell, it's two thousand seats seats, terrifying.
Speaker 1: You're going to have a great time. Gret tickets. That's
Speaker 1: happening in November. But I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about the Great Emu War. I've been hearing about this
Speaker 1: for quite a while. I wasn't sure where it was
Speaker 1: up to. But you're shooting early twenty twenty five and
Speaker 1: Rob Schneider, who we know your mates with and you
Speaker 1: work with, is in the movie. John Clees is in
Speaker 1: the movie. Like, because your mates we've robbed, you've probably
Speaker 1: you know, and you've worked with him before. You know,
Speaker 1: that's exciting to bring him to Australia and to work
Speaker 1: on a movie. But John Clees, did you know John?
Speaker 4: Or So? I wrote the film with Rob. We'd written
Speaker 4: a bunch of drafts of the script and I sent
Speaker 4: it to John Clees's daughter, Camilla Clees, comedian in La
Speaker 4: I knowna well, and I said, look, I wrote a
Speaker 4: part for your dad if you ever want to And
Speaker 4: she said, when it's ready, I'll take it to him.
Speaker 4: And we got it to a really great point. She
Speaker 4: took it to him. About forty eight hours later, my
Speaker 4: phone rings John Clees here and I was just like, hell,
Speaker 4: I thoroughly loved the script. How would you feel about
Speaker 4: me coming on and writing the next draft with you?
Speaker 4: So I picked myself up off the floor and I
Speaker 4: rang Rob and I said he went dude, and so Rob,
Speaker 4: myself and John kind of lived together in a house
Speaker 4: in Arizona for about six weeks and wrote the most
Speaker 4: recent draft of the script together. Jim Jeffries came out
Speaker 4: and wrote with us. So at one stage there was
Speaker 4: four of us sitting around the back, laughing our asses
Speaker 4: off writing this script together, and I am piecing together.
Speaker 4: Between us, we realized there was like one hundred and
Speaker 4: eighty years of comedy, one hundred and seventy coming from John.
Speaker 4: But I was great to piece his genius with Rob's
Speaker 4: character genius with Jim's style and then mashing it all
Speaker 4: into this beautiful script. Has a lot of heart and
Speaker 4: a lot of comedy, and there's a lot of John
Speaker 4: Clee's in there, which is fantastic. And he's playing my
Speaker 4: father in the movie. I'm playing the lead soldier who
Speaker 4: goes out to fight birds, trying to impress his World
Speaker 4: War One hero far John Clees, and I lose to birds, embarrassingly,
Speaker 4: making things way worse. Rob Schneider is the head of
Speaker 4: the Australian Army. His Australian accents really really funny. Jim
Speaker 4: Jefferies is playing the mayor of this small town where
Speaker 4: everything's happening and stuff. So we got Res Darby in
Speaker 4: there as well. Just flat out hilarious. And there's some
Speaker 4: other people that I can't mention, but really really fun.
Speaker 4: And yeah, we're going to be shooting, starting pre production
Speaker 4: early next year. So, like I said before, been my
Speaker 4: dream since I was eight to make a film, and
Speaker 4: this is my baby. I've been working on this for
Speaker 4: well ten years, but I've been building to it since
Speaker 4: I was eight.
Speaker 1: Are you directing? Yeah, that's amazing. I made a film
Speaker 1: in twenty ten. I didn't directed, Dana redirected it.
Speaker 4: I thought you directed that. I'm not sure what a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people say that. I always said after in interviews
Speaker 1: sometimes alive I had to go directed, But I've directed
Speaker 1: it so of television in to date and how to
Speaker 1: say married and and it's a bit you know, it's
Speaker 1: a really cool thing. But for a movie there, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are people along the way. He kind of
Speaker 1: said to you, how about we get some of the director,
Speaker 1: or how about.
Speaker 4: We've had other directors on what happened we had We've
Speaker 4: had two American directors, but what was happening was they
Speaker 4: weren't getting the comedy that Australians are willing to give
Speaker 4: up to the rest of the world without feeling like
Speaker 4: we're getting the piss taken out. Yes, and they were going,
Speaker 4: wouldn't this be funny? And I go, no, that's actually
Speaker 4: really embarrassing, and you can't actually, and they didn't get it.
Speaker 4: And I found myself having to explain a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: But then, like even working with John and Rob, I
Speaker 4: had to explain that won't fly with Australian audiences. We
Speaker 4: are very particular with the line that we will cross,
Speaker 4: and then once you cross that line, we will all
Speaker 4: turn our backs on you. So it was great when
Speaker 4: Jim was there because I go, right, Jim, and you
Speaker 4: go yeah, yeah, we can't say that, or yeah no,
Speaker 4: we can't do that, or we can do that, but
Speaker 4: not that, because that's it's very particular. But I love
Speaker 4: walking that fine line and it was great to have
Speaker 4: a gym there because he and I both too around
Speaker 4: the States doing comedy and walk that line the whole
Speaker 4: time of what we want to expose to the world
Speaker 4: about Australians and what we want to keep to ourselves.
Speaker 4: It's a reason why the Castle was so popular here.
Speaker 4: But didn't work overseas. That's for us, that's us. Red
Speaker 4: Dog was for us. But this movie we want to
Speaker 4: make for the world Ala Crocodile Dundee, which is still
Speaker 4: for us and we're proud of, but for the world
Speaker 4: to fall in love with again. So it's a broader,
Speaker 4: broader comedy. But the thing about John two is I've
Speaker 4: now spent time with him. I have dinner with him,
Speaker 4: and he's a friend. He's more than that. He's like
Speaker 4: a We've had these conversations. I My father left when
Speaker 4: I was young, he never had a son. We've developed
Speaker 4: a father son relationship. We just talk about life and
Speaker 4: he's the most He's exactly like you want him to
Speaker 4: be and even more. And what he taught me was
Speaker 4: you can be silly, but not be the clown. You
Speaker 4: can be goofy but demand the utmost respect from people.
Speaker 4: And to watch him do that, just out at dinner
Speaker 4: with waiters and waitresses and say the silliest goofy thing
Speaker 4: but still say it in a way that everyone was like,
Speaker 4: oh thank you sir. Like that all right, you're making
Speaker 4: a scene. Yes, so fun. Like we'd be out at
Speaker 4: lunch or something and then we're walking back to the car,
Speaker 4: and this happened in Phoenix, and we looked in there
Speaker 4: was a puppet store, and he goes, I love puppets,
Speaker 4: and we went in there and bought eight puppets, and
Speaker 4: then went back to his place and did a puppet
Speaker 4: show for his daughter. It was just me and John
Speaker 4: making stuff up, but that was for no one else's
Speaker 4: benefit than us, and to make his daughter laugh.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: It was just so much fun. And he's so fun.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed him a couple of times on the project,
Speaker 1: and he's he's still really fascinated and curious about new
Speaker 1: ideas and new people. So like the idea that he
Speaker 1: got back to you quickly in a way, it doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me, only because I've interviewed him. Eric Idol I
Speaker 1: spent some time with backstage. I've interviewed him couple of
Speaker 1: times too. But we did just for laughs at the
Speaker 1: Opera House and there were like six comedians myself, rove
Speaker 1: Reyce Nicholson was there a few others.
Speaker 2: And we just.
Speaker 1: Hanging, you know, just hope in this moment would last,
Speaker 1: knowing if he would say at some point, okay, I
Speaker 1: should head off and We're there for like an hour,
Speaker 1: an hour and a half, and then we went to
Speaker 1: a bar afterwards and it was just yeah, like those
Speaker 1: to meet your heroes is daunting sometimes, but I'm so glad.
Speaker 1: I've even just got to interview John a couple of times.
Speaker 1: You're working with him and now are his son. You
Speaker 1: must go, hang on, what has this? I mean, I've
Speaker 1: met Hoagues a couple of times and that's been you know,
Speaker 1: that's been a thriller, so you really Yeah, it's nice
Speaker 1: as they get older and it's still so so funny
Speaker 1: and willing to work and sharp. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And he I would argue that he is the elder
Speaker 4: statesman of comedy in the world right now. I think
Speaker 4: he's the oldest. I think he's done the most. I
Speaker 4: think he's written the most. He's talked about creativity in
Speaker 4: a way that has developed comedy and the most influential
Speaker 4: that's alive today.
Speaker 1: He's talks on creativity. Great joined YouTube and he's had a.
Speaker 4: Great book on it. It was great working with him
Speaker 4: when we would work right, we'd start at ten am
Speaker 4: and he would come out and sit down out the
Speaker 4: back of the house. It was during twenty twenty, so
Speaker 4: we were meant to all sort of be separated, and
Speaker 4: so we would sit there and it was very interesting.
Speaker 4: We'd laugh and we right scenes, and then suddenly he'd go, right,
Speaker 4: the comedy has left the building. Let's go and get lunch.
Speaker 1: And in my.
Speaker 4: Professional life, work wise and stuff, I have to dig
Speaker 4: a hole all day or I didn't do any work,
Speaker 4: so I'm banging my head thinking, no, no, we need
Speaker 4: to keep working. But we would go and have lunch
Speaker 4: and we would talk and laugh about what we just
Speaker 4: talked about and come up with more ideas, and then
Speaker 4: I'd come back and sort of filter them into the script.
Speaker 4: And I realized after a week of doing that we
Speaker 4: did vastly more than if I'd done eight hours every
Speaker 4: day banging my head against the wall. And that's why
Speaker 4: you talk about creative ideas coming to you in the shower.
Speaker 4: That's why they come when they do. But he notices
Speaker 4: them and knows when the energy of the idea is
Speaker 4: gone and everything, and he's just a craftsman at that right,
Speaker 4: it's gone, let's go for lunch.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned the check because I was thinking
Speaker 1: about it, because that's part of his book. It's a
Speaker 1: little while it's like it will take you twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes half out of break.
Speaker 4: It's called creativity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really good. Check out. But I did the
Speaker 1: same thing where I've decided that I'm developing a few
Speaker 1: things and we just basically two hours to you know,
Speaker 1: two and a half if we're flying at the end.
Speaker 1: But generally I do feel when he said, comedy has
Speaker 1: left the room, like you feel it. And even it's
Speaker 1: if it's energy or something, you know, all the good
Speaker 1: ideas have been. You can't be on fire for eight
Speaker 1: hours in a day, so just short, sharp sessions. Come
Speaker 1: back to it later on in the afternoon if if
Speaker 1: you want, but go do something for a walk. Absolutely, mate,
Speaker 1: it's been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thank you, it's been fantastic.
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out. I'm glad you enjoyed. Cool Handlet you
Speaker 1: can go back to Rob Schneider and say you've seen it,
Speaker 1: seen it and I love Paul Newman and you well, mate,
Speaker 1: go watch Buschcassie in the Sun, dance Kid, and seriously,
Speaker 1: it's just ridiculous. He was on new was on number
Speaker 1: nineteen on Nixon's enemies list back in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just because you know all the all the you know,
Speaker 1: the all the communist stuff that was going on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Warren Beady was the other person nominated for Bonnie
Speaker 1: and Clyde's another film for nineteen sixty seven a year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you've hard facts coming out here, fun facts. Newman
Speaker 1: ate only about eight eggs. I reckon some fancy editing
Speaker 1: going on, and he did vomit. Afterwards. The actors did
Speaker 1: tar a mile long stretch of road for the county.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that was on top of what
Speaker 1: they did, or that was imagine he's probably kept on
Speaker 1: going or as part of the film. The author of
Speaker 1: the novelist Don Pierce, didn't like the film at all.
Speaker 1: Didn't like the casting of human thought he was too scrawny.
Speaker 1: Didn't like what we have here is a failure to
Speaker 1: communicate speech. Reckons. Somebody in that position wouldn't have used
Speaker 1: a redneck wouldn't have used had those thoughts. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was high for Litton kind of thoughts, to
Speaker 1: be honest. No, you know, I'm trying to think which
Speaker 1: bit wouldn't have occurred to somebody.
Speaker 4: But he's in that position too. Yeah, he's in a
Speaker 4: powerful position. He should be articulate to some degree.
Speaker 1: You think so, you'd think so. Wives were banned on
Speaker 1: set because they they wanted to have this pent up feeling.
Speaker 4: For the car wash scene.
Speaker 1: For the car washing well, speak of the car wash scene,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Apparently it's ninety sixty seven. The producers
Speaker 1: tried to convince Joy Hannon to smoke some marijuana to
Speaker 1: free up her inabitus, which is I hate to almost
Speaker 1: leave finished on this note, but what a creepy feeling.
Speaker 1: They did have somebody else stand in for some of
Speaker 1: the takes. It was like a fifteen year old. It
Speaker 1: gets creepy, a fifteen year old cheerleader from a local school.
Speaker 1: She was in an overcoat though, so making that watch
Speaker 1: you will.
Speaker 4: There was ninety sixty seven. Didn't Elvis marry a fifteen
Speaker 4: year old around then too? It's just there was different times,
Speaker 4: people different times.
Speaker 1: This is good behavior. But mate, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Good with the tour it film and yeah, thanks.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. This is one of my favorite
Speaker 4: things to do talk movies and it was really great.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: For Sweden dressed Kim Ryanston setting of our Belonge show.
Speaker 2: Good Money scary because I've got the Virgin Mary assuring
Speaker 2: me that I won't go.
Speaker 1: He a natural born world shaker, Luke Jackson, cool Hand Luke.
Speaker 1: Paul Newman went to the writer, the screenwriter, Frank Pearson.
Speaker 1: He said, I hope you're not going to write this
Speaker 1: for me, meaning I hope you're not going to write
Speaker 1: this for Paul Newman the actor. Write it for cool
Speaker 1: Hand Luke the character, and I'll find a way to
Speaker 1: play it. And he does. I think out of the
Speaker 1: performances I've seen from Paul Newman, this is my favorite.
Speaker 1: I think this is a great, great film, really great film.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad Monty enjoyed it. If you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: check it out, and if you have seen it previously,
Speaker 1: watch it again. It stands up. It's so good. I
Speaker 1: don't want to compare it well. I will compare it
Speaker 1: to at the Shaw Shank and we had compared to
Speaker 1: shaw Shank, but I don't want to harp on about it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say which one is better. It's
Speaker 1: just too hard. Shaw Shank is a great film. I'm
Speaker 1: not taking anything away from shaw Shank, But if you
Speaker 1: like shaw Shank, watch cool Hand Luke so much to love.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to you and seeing nothing yet
Speaker 1: we truly appreciate it. There are times where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to wrap this podcast up. I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: it's time consuming, but I keep on thinking bloody hell.
Speaker 1: Every time I sit down and I watch a movie,
Speaker 1: I just love it. And then I have this conversation
Speaker 1: with a mate or you know, somebody who I don't
Speaker 1: know as well as I like Monty, and it's just brilliant.
Speaker 1: There's more people I want to get on, more films
Speaker 1: I want to cover. But I would love to hear
Speaker 1: from you, either via speak pipe, go there, leave a message.
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear your voice, Requests for guests, requests
Speaker 1: from movies, anything we've said that you want to pick
Speaker 1: up on and take. We'd love to hear your voice.
Speaker 1: Or you can email at Yasney Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Love hearing from you next week on the show. This
Speaker 1: exciting and somewhat unexpected in a way. One of the
Speaker 1: comedians making the biggest waves at the moment is from
Speaker 1: across the Ditch, a man by the name of Rayo Leary.
Speaker 1: Australians are falling in love with ray as Am I
Speaker 1: He is a great guy. I like hanging out with him.
Speaker 1: We caught each other shows in Brisbane at the Powerhouse.
Speaker 1: Recently he popped into my show and then I said, well,
Speaker 1: if you're doing that to my show, I'm popping into
Speaker 1: your show. And we caught each other shows. Very funny man,
Speaker 1: very funny man. He went to Edinburgh, had a great
Speaker 1: time over there killing it on how you been paying attention?
Speaker 1: Thank god you're here. He is one of the men
Speaker 1: of the moment and the rayo Leary, the man in
Speaker 1: the gray suit, the dry tone, will be covering little
Speaker 1: French film the World fell in Love With many years ago. Amie,
Speaker 1: that's right. The idea that ray Leary is watching Emily
Speaker 1: for some reason makes me laugh. But I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. I saw Emily when it came out, and
Speaker 1: you know, I always say I was besotted by it,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people were and I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. People started doing the nome thing
Speaker 1: became a reference point. It was a moment for French
Speaker 1: cinema and yes, beautiful film. Ray Leary. Next week on
Speaker 1: you Ain't Seed Nothing yet watching Amale until then back
Speaker 1: an hour and so we leave old Pete save van Sult,
Speaker 1: and to old friends of the radio audience we've been
Speaker 1: a pleasant good name.