1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Today on the pod, we have the kind I'm gonna say, 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: quirky and genius brain doctor Carl such a warm soul. 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: He jumped on the pod because he has just written 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: his Weight for It, forty eighth book, and it's a 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: book all about him. It's called a Periodic Tale, my 12 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: science y memoir, and it almost didn't exist because he 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to write about himself, but I'm so glad 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: he did. He covers so much ground and it's one 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: of those books you know when you're reading it and 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: it feels like someone's talking to you, like you're just 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: having a little catch up or a chit chat with 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: the writer. He's got that beautiful tone that is really 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: personable and open, and you can relate and understand everything 20 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: he's saying because he's just heay there's something like he 21 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: wears his heart on his sleep. He's one of those 22 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: kind of people. I hope you love this chat. I 23 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: feel like I made a mate in this chat. It 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: was one of those really genuine conversations. Thank you, doctor 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: Carl for jumping on the pod. You are wonderful. And 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: to you the listener, please go out and grab this book. 27 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: I hope you love this pod. He is like it's 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: gonna I hope it feels like listening to a warm hug. 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: But that is how he is to be around, all right, 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: PORU over to you go enjoy the pod, Doctor Carl. 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Do you know that you have been on my dream 32 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: list for this pod? This POD's been going for four years, 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: and I reckon you've been on it since day dot. 34 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: My friend, I'm not worthy, but thank you so much, 35 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: doctor Lola to tell me, I'm very thrilled. Thank you. 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: I was sent this beautiful book of yours and it 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: got sent all the way to LA because that's where 38 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: I live in Los Angeles, and it took a little 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: while to get here, so I had to lean into 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: my speed reading skills, which I know you have also 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: taught yourself. And I have to say I've interviewed a 42 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: lot of authors on this pod, but no one has 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: written forty eight books. Holy Molly, how does it feel 44 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: forty eight books out in the world. 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: It's a lot of time I've spent away from my family. 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: You see, writing is a solitary task, and it would 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 2: be really good if you could go for a way 48 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: for a weekend, get yourself absolutely ripped on every pharmaceutical known, 49 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: be very creative, and by Monday morning have one hundred 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: eighty thousand words of fully edited, completed text in grammatical beauty. 51 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: But it doesn't work like that. You have to sit 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: down by yourself. Oh my god, and I feel so 53 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: sad I've had to do that. But on the other hand, 54 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: it's the only way I know how to write. Maybe 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: Ai'll change everything. 56 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: You need that limitless you know the Bradley Cooper movie 57 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: where he takes that limitless drug and he can write. 58 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: He writes his manuscript in one day. He was like 59 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: a failure writer. Yeah. Yeah, it was a movie called 60 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: It's called Limitless Limitless. 61 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm watching it. It's a way for me 62 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: to do better work. 63 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: You and me both friends. It actually has a side effect. 64 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: So anyway, go watch it, and I'm sure your brain 65 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: will limitless. 66 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, doctor Loola. 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: What I loved about reading this book is when I'm 68 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: reading it, I feel like it's me listening to you 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: on a pod, or me listening to you on radio, 70 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: or me watching you on TV. You write the way 71 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: you speak, and I think it's because you're a natural storyteller. 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: Is that part of your method? 73 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: Well, I do tell stories. See, that's an ancient thing 74 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: that has been going around among humans in thousands of 75 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: years because it's a way of bringing the group to ggether. 76 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: On one hand, there's a whole big lump of your 77 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: brain at the back of your skull called the visual cortex, 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: which turns electricity into three D color vision and that's 79 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: all it does. And then in the same way, there's 80 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: a smaller part of your brain that turns elliptical impulses 81 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: into sound, and then you can store I'm hypothesizing that 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: you can store stories because if you think about it, 83 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: we humans spend a lot of time telling each other 84 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: stories and when we meet and we watch stories on TV, 85 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: and we hear stories on the radio, and storytelling is important, 86 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: I think because it brings us humans into a group 87 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: that is strong. See, individually, our skin sucks, our claus 88 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: and no good our clee can't rube your guts out 89 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: any of that sort of stuff compared to a dog 90 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: or a bear or a kangaroo. But as a group 91 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: where strong and stories helped bring us together. So I've 92 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: done almost story. I got taught this in my early 93 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: days at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, and I got taught 94 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: that the story has three parts. A hook to drag 95 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: the audience in the meal, satisfies them emotionally or intellectually. 96 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: That's a little part, and finally finish off with a 97 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: joke yeah, and then repeat. 98 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: There's something so comedic about you, even though you're sharing 99 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: what can be quite like seen as quite serious or 100 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: very science y topics. There's something so light about you. 101 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: And it feels like, just I've obviously been consuming a 102 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: lot of content about you in the lead up to 103 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: this pod, it feels like curiosity is like one of 104 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: your hallmarks. Is that is that true? To say? 105 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, So I first recognized curiosity as a kid. 106 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: When I'm walking back from school after the teachers had 107 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: told us about this thing called photosynthesis. I'm walking on 108 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: the black road, the black beachman, thinking, gee, it's hot. 109 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: That's obviously because black absorbs heat. And in something I thought, well, 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: if plants want to absorb energy from the sun, which 111 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: they do, how come they're not black, which absorbs heat. 112 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: Everything like crazy, And so that led into my feeling 113 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: of curiosity, and in fact curiosity has helped save my career. 114 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: On one occasion, I'm traveling on a plane to Canberra 115 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: and I say the guy next to me to go, hey, 116 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: you going, what's your name? Gavin? He was what I 117 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: work you? And he says, I'm a mathematician, quick as 118 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 2: a flash. I asked the questions which you ask every mathematician. First, 119 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: what is your favorite equation or identity? For some people 120 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: as Pythagoras's theorem, which is so simple. Other people go 121 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: navy a stakes, theyr stakes. But he said the oiler 122 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: equation e to the IPI plus one equals zero. Look 123 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: it up on Wikipedia e U L E R. And 124 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: then I say, what's your urdish number? And he looked 125 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: at urdish? Was this incredibly the most prolific sink mathematician 126 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: of all time who lived in the twentieth century? And 127 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: if you wrote a paper with urdige. Your urdige number 128 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: was one and he said, my urdish number is one. 129 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: I said, oh, bull tuze bull does bull does? No, 130 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: you can't and he said yeah yeah, And so we 131 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: got on famously like that. He was a real mathematician. 132 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: And then it turned out that various things happened at 133 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: the university. They're running out of money. I went to 134 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: see the vice chancellor to ask for some more money. 135 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: Was this guy amazing? And then he said, oh he 136 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: was Gavin Brown. He said, well, look, as vice chancellor, 137 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: know that's equivalent to the American president on Bosslor's university. 138 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: And I've got a few hollow logs of money. Here's 139 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars. So once you're never going to get 140 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: any more out of me, take it bringing these people, 141 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: and it's what you should do to make sure you 142 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: can keep going over the next couple of years. And 143 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: it did so. Curiosity actually helped save my bacon. 144 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I think also curiosity as just a 145 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: really beautiful trait to have. When you talk about storytelling, 146 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: and then couple that with being curious, then you're open 147 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: to stories as well and receiving stories. And I just 148 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: think I'm over here changing careers. And that's why I 149 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: loved your book so much. My whole twenties and thirties 150 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: is a nutritionist and I'm over here acting TV presenting, 151 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: voice acting, And for me, curiosity is what I'll always 152 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: come back to. If I get anxious doing a self tape, 153 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: or if I get doughty or in my head, I'll 154 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: just come back to being curious. And it just cures 155 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: any kind of like it grounds you or something. And 156 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: if you think about it as well from a storytelling perspective, 157 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: it takes the focus off yourself, Like when you're on 158 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: that flight, you were focused on the mathematician sitting next 159 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: door to you. You know, quite a superpower in a 160 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: weird kind of way. Curiosity. 161 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 2: I think, well, how did you train for your nutrition career. 162 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: I've got a Bachelor of Health Science from Australia, so 163 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: I did a whole all my nutrition stuff is all 164 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: in Australia. 165 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: And so you've got a proper degree dietetics and all 166 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 2: that stuff. 167 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, nutritional medicine. Yeah yeah, yeah, so you've got. 168 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: A real degree as opposed to somebody who's done two 169 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: hours every Tuesday night for four weeks. And now that 170 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: they know everything that there is know about the human 171 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: body and all the nutrition as well. Yeah. No, I 172 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: did a changing career. 173 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: I did a Bachelor of Health science in Australia and 174 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: then came over here and just fell in love with creativity. 175 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: And I want to talk to you about this because 176 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: I think that you have this beautiful mishmash of science 177 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: and art and I feel like you've lived a little 178 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: bit of that out, not just in the way your 179 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: career has manifested in the media, but also I have 180 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: to ask you. I'm a massive Bo Diddley fan, and 181 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: pretty Thing is a song that I want played at 182 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: my wedding one day. So you have to tell me 183 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: what it was like hanging and working with Bo Diddley. 184 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: Okay, so he was a famous blues singer and he 185 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: was coming to Australia for a tour, and so the 186 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: deal was that he would listen to a few sets 187 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: and then pick the band that he wanted. He picked 188 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: the band that I happened to be a roadie for 189 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: Wasted Days, or the and Band I had different names, 190 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: or the Magnetics. He picked them as his back up band. 191 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: So he turns up and he starts training them up, 192 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: and he says, hey, guys, you got to move around 193 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 2: on stage, get a bit of stage presents, give the 194 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: audience something one two three, kick address to be better, 195 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: don't wear torn jeans. And on one occasion I said 196 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: to him, because I was a roadie, my job was 197 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: to lay down the speakers and the cables and the 198 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: mixer and then pull all up at the end of 199 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: the night, bump in, bump out. And in one casion I said, 200 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: but I've heard you play that song about forty times. 201 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: How come you play it with such enthusiasm each time? 202 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: And he put one giant hand on my shoulder. He said, Hey, look, Carl, 203 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: it's called show biz, not show play or show fun, 204 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 2: show bizz. It's business. They give me money, I give 205 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: them a good time. We're both happy. And decades later, 206 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: the Indonesian so the Malaysian government invited me to do 207 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: a speaking tour about Malay on science to the schools 208 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: and universities, and we ended up on the island of Borneo, 209 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: where the audience size everywhere else had been fantastic, but 210 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: in this case the audience size was one. 211 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: There was an earthquake or something wasn't there. 212 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: There was a combination of an earthquake which destroyed some 213 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: of the buildings on the university and a monsoon hurrycan 214 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: cyclone which destroyed more of the buildings, and massive flooding 215 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: which blocked all the roads as well as a person 216 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: who was actually in charge had gone on holidays and 217 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: forgotten to tell everybody. And the reason there was one 218 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: person in the audience was because she had been following 219 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: me on Triple J on radio. So she turned up 220 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: in the audience and the words of Bo Diddley echoed 221 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: in my mind, and I gave to that one person 222 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: the same audience i'd give to an audience of one 223 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: thousand people. I delivered. I mean I wasn't being paid anything, 224 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: you know, I was just a part of the tour, 225 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: and so I learned a lot from He gave me 226 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: a good lesson, ah and what. 227 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: A talented force to be around, like how beautiful energy. 228 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: Oh. It took me a while to realize that blues 229 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: is virtually the only native born US form of music, 230 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: and I love blues to pieces starting off with Robert 231 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: Johnson going all the way through. I'm saying something funny though, Yeah, 232 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: most muso's most bands have a creative period of about 233 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 2: ten years, and then after that they go into playing 234 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: their greatest hits. And I love the Rolling Stones to pieces. 235 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: But their only new song has been Strange Game for 236 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: that series Slow Horse. 237 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Oh great series. 238 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, but did you pick Mick Jagger's voice on that song? No, 239 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: just think that that's Mick Jagger. I had surrounded by losers, 240 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: bruises and misfits. Blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, anyway, 241 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: he's thing. Most musos have a creative period of ten years. 242 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: The blues singers keep on doing it all in lives. 243 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: I don't know why they are. I don't know why. 244 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Oh my goodness, I love hanging 245 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: out with your brain. I have to ask something. So 246 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: you write so beautifully at the book about your parents, 247 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: like they spent time in concentration camps and there was 248 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: like a big period of time where it was about survival. 249 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: You also spent time in refugee camps, and you talk 250 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: about your dad's irrational optimism and you feel like that's 251 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: something that you have I guess also taken on as well. 252 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: What do you think and where do you think your 253 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: dad's optimism came from? Because like that. I love that 254 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: lucky number fourteen. I'm born on the fourteen, so I 255 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: was like lucky number fourteen. But I also like that 256 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: you write so visually as well, where you were saying 257 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: he was feeling depressed, and I think he was carrying 258 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: a dead body and. 259 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: A freshly freshly killed dead body still warm. Okay, now 260 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: this is a fairly dark story, so I'll lighten it 261 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: up with my marriage proposal, which was the way I 262 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: got married, and then we'll give him the story. So 263 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: this is the light beginning, because it gets a little 264 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: bit heavy, all right. So the marriage proposal was after 265 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: three children, about twenty years, I ran Mary, to whom 266 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: I wasn't married, and said, Hi, honey, look, I'm in 267 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: a cheap hotel room in Southeast Asia injecting powerful opiates 268 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: into the buttocks of a young redheaded woman. Now, from 269 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: my medical training, I know I'm not supposed to inject 270 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: into the buttocks, but I've forgotten why because I'm so 271 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: tired and exhausted. Where are I supposed to inject him? 272 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: By the way, will you marry me? And that was 273 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: a wedding proposal. Okay, now we've got that light thing 274 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: out of the way and at least to a whole 275 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: thing of getting having a scientific wedding. But then the 276 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: heavy story is that my father was in concentration camp 277 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: and while he was young and strong, his job was 278 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: to pick up people who had just been gassed to 279 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: death and their bodies were still warm, and carry them 280 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: to another place where they'd be burnt. And he's carrying 281 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: this person male or female or child, I don't know, 282 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: naked because they're all naked, dead on his shoulders, and 283 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: he's thinking, this is not a very good line of 284 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: work to be in. And also he knew that once 285 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: you got too weak to carry a whole dead person 286 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: by yourself, they'd kill you. Nothing personal of the Nazis, 287 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: who was just part of the business, right And so 288 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: he's thinking, this is not the best line of work 289 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: to be in. Right now, I'm feeling it a bit depressed, 290 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: And he's carrying this dead person on his shoulders, and 291 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: the guy's or a man or woman or child's head 292 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: is next to his head, and suddenly he starts going 293 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: backwards and force backwards, and for my dad's limping a bit, 294 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: the head goes backwards and force, and in his head 295 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: he hears the words cuckoo as the head goes back 296 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: and forth like he's listening to a cuckoo, and he 297 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: starts laughing, and that sort of made it possible for 298 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: him to keep on surviving. Now, all the psychological studies 299 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: show that if you get people with a pessimistic or 300 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: an optimistic situation frame of my mind, if they look 301 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: at a situation, every time, the pessimists do badly and 302 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: the optimists do better. They pick the way out. So 303 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: if there's a way out of the situation, the pessimists 304 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: will go, oh, I'm screwed, mate, and the optimists go, 305 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: maybe I'll try this. And so my father was optimistic 306 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: and I was optimistic. I do not know why, but 307 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: I think you can change yourself. And if you've got 308 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: a choice and you're suddenly thinking, man, this is just crap, 309 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: and then you think, I will take the optimistic point 310 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: of view blow me down. According to all the psychological studies, 311 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: you'll do better on average, on average, not every time, 312 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: but on average. 313 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean, how cool. That's empowering to hear that, though, 314 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: Like that means that's a change that we or the 315 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: listener we get to make today if we want to 316 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: like it. 317 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: Takes courage dumps. Yeah, so somebody dumps half a ton 318 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: next of chicken pool on your front lawn. You can 319 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: either think, oh, what a mess, or Hey, the roses 320 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: are going to grow really beautifully this year. Yeah, so 321 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: the same situation, but how you interpret it. And then 322 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: sometimes it involves keeping your big mouth shut and just 323 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: smiling a lot and making things better. 324 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. You have described yourself as a 325 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: shy child. But when I'm speaking to you here and 326 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: like every time I see you on the project or 327 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: on tally or on rape, there's such a warmth and 328 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: friendliness to you. Like how did you move through like 329 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: being shy to now being like so comfortable on a 330 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: pod or on tally. 331 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: You know, it was a combination of spending a few 332 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: years as a drug craz hippie, which I would not 333 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: recommend because you do not want to do anything illegal, 334 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: because you can end up in jail with love and 335 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: hate tattooed on your knuckles and a bad future outcome 336 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: for you or pathway for life. And also so every 337 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 2: society takes drugs, but I was lucky that I took 338 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 2: them after my brain had matured in the early twenties, 339 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: and I was also lucky that I took them only 340 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 2: for a while, and also lucky that I did not 341 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: have that particular DNA variation that makes you prone to schizophrenia. 342 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: So it was a combination of being a drug crazy 343 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: be and a taxi driver, and so being a taxi driver, 344 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: suddenly I realized it was psychologically different. These people were 345 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: coming into my living room the back of the taxi, 346 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: and I was driving at night, so I had to 347 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: keep my eyes on the road and not make eye contact. 348 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: And so on one occasion, a couple got in and 349 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: they were just talking. They just ignored them and say, 350 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: we're two. Yeah, okay, I do to go there? And 351 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: I always asked the customers, are you in a hurry? 352 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: Are you do you want to go quickly? Do you 353 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: want to go? If they wanted to go quickly, mate, 354 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: I would drive them like the speed of lights, like 355 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: the speed of summer lightning. But otherwise I just say 356 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: which way do you want to go? And then they 357 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 2: kept on talking, and when there was a natural break, 358 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: I said, you know, you guys sound like you're talking 359 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: at right angles to each other and you're not connecting. 360 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: It almost seems like you should break up and simultaneously 361 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: the guy said, no, Deborah loves me, and she said, Richard, 362 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: I've been wanting to talk to you about this actually 363 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: for a while, and my brief career as a marriage 364 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: counselor came to an abrupt in when I realized I 365 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: actually did not get any tip at all, and so 366 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 2: she sort of scowled at me as he got out 367 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: of the cab. But that helped me stop being shy 368 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 2: so very as a result of that. At any party, 369 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: no matter what, I can go up to somebody and 370 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: stay up in my hand and say, gooday, my name's Carl. 371 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: I start off with, please allow me to introduce myself. 372 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: What my name is? Carl's your name? And I can 373 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: do that to anybody, right, and it gets such a 374 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: cool It's just so easy. But many people are shy, 375 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: and all I have to do is just say please 376 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 2: allow me to introduce myself and then wait and if 377 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: they say no, rack off, I hate you, then they 378 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: don't and then you continue with my name is in 379 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: certain name, what's your name? And then you start the conversation. 380 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: So nice. I have to ask you have spent sixteen 381 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: years like studying university education, You've got a plethora of 382 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: education behind you. I feel like you're someone that's kind 383 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: of addicted to learning in a good way, which I love. 384 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: And you've got an IQ of one hundred and ten. 385 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm not particularly smart. I know smart people. 386 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: So with regard to IQ, the average IQ in a 387 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: population is always one hundred is to find that way 388 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: and the curve is squashed or expanded so that two 389 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: thirds of the population fit between eighty five and one 390 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen. And I'm about one hundred and ten. 391 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: I'm not particularly smart, but I am very well educated 392 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: because once upon a time, the Australian government thought that 393 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: education was a worthwhile investment in the future. Now it 394 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: thinks that it's a way to make short term money, 395 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: even though it's crippling our future. And we have to 396 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: in Australia import our plumbers and our psychologists because we 397 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: don't train them. Mike clo So I was very lucky. 398 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: My question is for you though, obviously you have this 399 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: access to like a library of knowledge within you and 400 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot of Like I've seen countless videos and interviews 401 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: where you're just put on the spot and someone will 402 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: be like, why are wombat poo's square and you can 403 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: just like straight away get so you must have it 404 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: might be back to that curiosity, but your brain must 405 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: be like, oh that's an interesting thing. I'm going to 406 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: file that away for later. Like you do have this 407 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: like gift of the gab as far as like retaining 408 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: fascinating information. It almost reminds me of did you ever 409 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: watch Steve Irwin videos? 410 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 411 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: Do you know the way he could retain any bit 412 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: of information about any kind of animal and just like 413 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: and just on the spot know about And it could 414 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: be a marsupie, it could be a crock, it could 415 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: be some random type of spider that has never seen before, 416 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: and it's still no. And it's this I think. I 417 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: feel like you've got some definite gift around like having 418 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: curiosity for knowledge. 419 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, it's not a gift. This one's called 420 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: hard work. So any three minute bond mo or good 421 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: bit that I give has taken at least four hours 422 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: of reading and research and up to twenty hours. So 423 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: in one case, I did a story on the bitcoin 424 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: and it took me about forty hours to understand the 425 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: blockchain and turn it into English. So what I do 426 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: is I turn stuff into stories, and that four minimum 427 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: of four hours work that locks that thing in as 428 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: a story which has a beginning, a meaty part, and 429 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: a joke at the end in my brain, and providing 430 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: I access it once every couple of years, I can 431 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: remember the whole story as a single block of information, 432 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: and I can just bring it out as a single 433 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 2: block of information. 434 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: So did you train yourself to do that? You just 435 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: that's how you know? 436 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: I wrote forty eight books because so if you write 437 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: a book, each story is about four you know, you 438 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: little thousand words stories. Each story takes at least five hours. 439 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: This is the whole solitary thing. And after five hours, 440 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: I really understand how you use a spider way web 441 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: to make the world's best microphone. And that's taken me 442 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: four hours. I'll give it to you in under a minute, 443 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: and then the next thing, I'll give it to you. 444 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: An you say, gee, he knows a lot. Yeah, but 445 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: behind each one, that's four hours plus four hours plus 446 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: four hours spread out over decades, writing at least one 447 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: book a year. I was actually very embarrassed writing the 448 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: last book because I felt awkward writing about myself. I'm 449 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: very happy to say, did you know, the trees talk 450 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: to each other via an underground network of mushrooms that 451 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: we call the wood wide Web, and they give each 452 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: other drugs and knowledge and information and food. And I 453 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: feel really awkward on the other hand, saying, here's a 454 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: book about me. You've written by me, possibly biased. Please 455 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: buy this book, give me some money, and there will 456 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 2: be an exam in three weeks. We're expecting to get 457 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: eighty five percent or more about how good I am. 458 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: Is embarrassed it is it true. 459 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: That you that you weren't super keen on writing a memoir? Like, 460 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: is it true that you were kind of like count? 461 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't want to do it, but it kept 462 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: on coming back to the publisher saying, see this contract 463 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 2: where you signed, You said you do a memoir? Oh 464 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: that one, Yeah, okay, you're gonna do it. But I 465 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: managed to delay them for three years. But on the 466 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: way I managed to read a whole bunch of other autobiographies. 467 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: So there's one by a famous musician for a band 468 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: out of Seattle where he has these incredible adventures along 469 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 2: the lines of, hey, I had just consumed enough ice 470 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: to stop global warming, and then walked into this place 471 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 2: with six kilograms of heroin to try and sell it 472 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: to the people behind the counter when it turned out 473 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: that I walked into a police station. Then then he 474 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: goes on through the adventure and then we managed to 475 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: dump it on some poor barista. And so it's incredibly 476 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: enthralling to really but the moral value that he leaves 477 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 2: behind a chain of broken people in jail. And then 478 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: there's the other style of auto biography, which is a 479 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: chronological I got it up at seven fifteen, and then 480 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: at seven thirty I had a shower, and then accordiate, 481 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: I had a couple of coffee, and then the other 482 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: sort of how bad my life is. I had a 483 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: relationship with this person that turned out bad, but then 484 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: I had a relationship with another person that turned out 485 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: even worse. And then there's the name dropping. You know. 486 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 2: So Prince Charles and Taita and I were backstage when 487 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: we saw mix, so we said, hey, let's go over 488 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 2: and see Eric Clapton. You know that style. And there's 489 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: all these different styles of autobiography, and I've tried to 490 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: do one that had a moral value but also was uplifting. 491 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 2: And I really didn't think that I had that in 492 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 2: my past life. They said, well, I do this story 493 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: and I gradually pushed myself into it and then ended 494 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: up doing it. 495 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: Well, I love it, and I feel like it comes 496 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: back to this storytelling value, like this gift that you 497 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: have around storytelling. I do love what you just said 498 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: about hard work, though, because I love it when people 499 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: come on this pod and kind of like pull down 500 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: the veil a little bit and they're like, well, no, 501 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I work really, really, 502 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: really hard as well. So is it what you said before? 503 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: Is it four hours in prep for each bit? Essentially 504 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: minimum four hours? 505 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 2: And the other side of the coin is when a 506 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: famous female celebrity gets pregnant and then it appears online 507 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: in the media eight weeks later and they've still got 508 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: the same body they had before they were pregnant. They 509 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: say what how do you do that? And say, oh, 510 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: it was just nothing. I just had my secret loler 511 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 2: berry juice and it just melted away. And then you 512 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 2: read an interview by a trainer who said, we bloody 513 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: trained with her six hours every day from the day 514 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: she was pregnant, and the breastfeeding was taken over by nurse, 515 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: a wet nurse, and she did nothing but training for 516 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: six hours every day, and she goes on and says, oh, 517 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: I just took my secret juice you can buy, and 518 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: the fact just melted away. Yeah, sometimes you have to 519 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: do the hard work. You have to do the hard yards. 520 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: No, I love that. And another thing that I learned 521 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: from you that I love. So these are my pod 522 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: notes for this is some of my pod notes. 523 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: Today's inter the color code they got circles for different 524 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: levels of importance and other lines as well. You talk 525 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: my language, sistuff. 526 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: And I have to handwrite notes. I cannot type notes. 527 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: And I saw you talk about the difference with studying 528 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: if you handwrite versus if you type them on a keyboard. 529 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember that? 530 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And what happens is that besides just simply 531 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 2: with a keyboard you just simply move your fingers up 532 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: and down, but with handwriting, you go through moving your 533 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 2: hand in delicate shapes. And that is that has a 534 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: really long history of when you were very young learning 535 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: how to write. And for whatever reason that might be 536 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 2: related to the reason, or we don't know why, but 537 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 2: we do know for sure that you have greater both 538 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: retention and comprehension. You understand as well as you remember 539 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: better if you handwrite rather than you type, which is 540 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: kind of sad because it means you've got a handwrite. 541 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, now they've got the good 542 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 2: AI that can turn your handwriting into text that you 543 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 2: can then access really easily. And they've got the good technology. 544 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: Oh I love handwriting, though, I love it. I write 545 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: letters home. Oh love it. I think it's the best. 546 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: I'm probably showing my millennialness. 547 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 2: Inner is something from the heart. And I do remember 548 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: that line by Oscar Wilde who said, our dear insertin 549 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: name of friend del Ola Berry. I'm sorry this is 550 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: such a long letter, Comma, because I didn't have time 551 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: to write a short one. And when you write a 552 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: short letter, it is succinct that it is exactly. It 553 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: tells exactly what you're feeling. It does it in a 554 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: short period of time, and then they can respond on 555 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: goes a relationship. 556 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: No, I love it. I mean also Oscar Wilde. Best 557 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: of the best? 558 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, best of the best. 559 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: Is it true you have an asteroid named after. 560 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: You, oh, darling, Yes, well, I'd like to call it 561 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: a planet one eight four one two Krystal Nitsky looking 562 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: up in Wikipedia one eight four one two. And what 563 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 2: happened was McNaught, who was one of the great comet 564 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: discoverers of this century, discovered comet McNaught back in two 565 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: thousand and eight or something, and in Sydney the newspaper said, oh, 566 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: there's not much to see. And we went to a 567 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: part of Sydney called the Gap where you could look 568 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: back across Sydney and you could see the entire skyline 569 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: of Sydney from one end to the other, the Sydney city, 570 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: and the comet extended one quarter of the way across 571 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: the sky. And yet the newspapers had seen it a 572 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: few days earlier and said, oh, no, there's nothing to see. 573 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: And we said, hey, that's comment, and I said no, 574 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: but the newspaper said there was nothing there. I said, 575 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: you said, it made us amazing, and you could see 576 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: it for weeks after. And so he decided that he 577 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: liked the work that I was doing on the radio, 578 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: and he named one eight four one two asteroid that 579 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: he discovered after me. I have since discovered it's about 580 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: three to six kilometers in diameter. It's in that asteroid 581 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: belt between Mars and Jupiter, and I really hope that 582 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't undergo gravitational disturbance when it passes by another 583 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: asteroid and ends up landing on the Earth and killing people. 584 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: That'd be terrible to have comic Crystal Minsky or asteroid 585 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: chromostility being blamed for the destruction of the Earth. 586 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: I've got to say I saw my first meteor shower 587 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: recently because we went out to Joshua Tree. Yeah, we 588 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: went out to Joshua Tree. 589 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: Joshua Tree no light and the world's oldest tree. Is 590 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: it really felve thousand years old or something, the bristle 591 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: Cone Pine or something. I had no idea about the 592 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 2: asteroid to the media shower. 593 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: Well, so we were all we had it. We were 594 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: sitting out around a fire and we let the fire 595 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: go out, and we turned all the lights off in 596 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: the house and we just looked up at the sky 597 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: because you could literally see the Milky Way. It was 598 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: like so clear and the sky was so dark. And 599 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: someone goes, oh, my goodness, there's a shooting star and 600 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: I was like, damn it, I missed the blacier start. 601 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to make a wish on it. Five minutes later, 602 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, hang on, I hang on, there's a shooting 603 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: star and in the period of an hour we saw 604 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: thirty five shooting start five Yeah wow. And I did 605 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: some googling the next day and we just accidentally happened 606 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: to be there when there was like a meteor shower 607 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: that went on for I think two days. Has a 608 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: two night peak usually is that in November. There is 609 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: one in November that I'm going to try and take 610 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: my dad too. The one we saw was in July. 611 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: Okay, so the one in November train so first he 612 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: was a guard of meteor showers. The best place to 613 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: see the sky is the Southern Hemisphere because the southern 614 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: part of the world is pointed at the Milky Way 615 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: and there's three continents there. Africa's too cloudy, South America's 616 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: to cloudy, Australia's just right. So Australia is the best 617 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: place in the world to see media from. I've spent 618 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: a total of a few decades test driving four will 619 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: drive through the Australia outback. I've been through fifteen and 620 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: seventeen deserts and every night we spent two years sleeping 621 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: under the stars. Every night it was the same unless 622 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: it was raining. And what we do is we'd have 623 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: an early dinner, lay out the ground, shoot and lie 624 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: back with a little drink with an umbrella or maybe 625 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: a hot coco or something. And then with a laser pointer. 626 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: In the first hour and a half we look for 627 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: satellites and the laser pointer is to point out where 628 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: they are. I was just a week laser point to 629 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 2: point out the sky, and my daughter was really good. 630 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: My daughter Lola was the expert actually, and so then 631 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: we we'd normally see ten an hour, and then in 632 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: the next hour and a half we looked for the meteors, 633 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: and then we see another ten and we go to 634 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: bed happy. You're seeing thirty five and an hour is 635 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 2: a good meteor shower. The record was in the United 636 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: States between two and four am in early November for 637 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: the Leonids l eom IDs, and in that window across 638 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: the central USA people saw, wait for it, in one hour, 639 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand, one hundred thousand meteors in one hour 640 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: or forty or one hundred one hundred thousand, and the 641 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 2: whole sky was just going bing bing, bing, bing bing. 642 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: They come around every thirty something years. Thirty something years later, 643 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: in ninety nine, the best place turned out to be 644 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: one of the Canary Islands really the Spanish Islands off 645 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: the coast of Antarctica. So in two thousand and thirty two, 646 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: flip a coin and make sure you're out there, and 647 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: you might be lucky to see over a thousand mediors 648 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 2: per hour. Every thirty three years. They come back big. 649 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: Every they're back every year, but every thirty three it's 650 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: really big. I don't know, and we get close to 651 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: twenty thirty two. People will be on the outlook for them. 652 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,719 Speaker 1: Oh, it's so it feels so magical as well, Like 653 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: from a hippie perspective, I'm like, this has got to 654 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: be good luck to just be amongst that. 655 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, cosmic man. 656 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: Ah, I could have spent all flipping Like I was like, 657 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: how do we spend more time in josh auawdrey La 658 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: is great, but it's a grind, you know, And I'm like, 659 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: this is incredible. So you, my friend, have done so 660 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: much and I don't see any signs of you stopping. 661 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: You are just prolific in everything you do and you're 662 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: very inspiring and very warm. What's what's the goal? Like, 663 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: what like what is your mo is it to like 664 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: make science like attainable and understandable for people? Is it 665 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: to in part like because you're so joyous as well? 666 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: You know, people feel good when they watch you or 667 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: listen to you. 668 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: Well, even though I did smash up six taxis in 669 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 2: one life to take the cops one hundred and forty k's, yes, 670 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: I am sort of joyous. So I kind of drift 671 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 2: through life like a popsicle stick in the gutter of 672 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: any day, with no real control of it where I go. 673 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: So I've had various hippie careers. I helped set up 674 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: Australia's first cable TV network in nineteen seventy two, and 675 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 2: that happened by accident, and my next project happened by 676 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: accident as well well. And so my next project is 677 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: to remove to rescue people from the rabbit hole of 678 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 2: disinformation comma by using the example of only fans full stop. 679 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 2: Let me explain now, okay, So do you want to 680 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: explain only fans to the audience or while. 681 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: I do that, actually, do you know what? You can 682 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: go for it? My friend? 683 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 2: So, I've never actually gone on too only fans, but 684 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 2: I think I might have stumbled across it accdentally on 685 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 2: TikTok on the way through. But I think Only Fans 686 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 2: is softcore porn, possibly mainly for males, but not exclusively, 687 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 2: and for about ten dollars a month, and that's not 688 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 2: where they make their money. So they make their money 689 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 2: by coming on and so Fred types in, Hey, Lo Laberry, 690 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 2: I love your work, have you got anything extra for me? 691 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: And then amazingly, at two o'clock in the morning, he 692 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 2: gets a reply saying, well, I went for a swim 693 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 2: in the swimming pool and you wouldn't believe it. My 694 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 2: whole buccinia just slipped off and accidentally we had the 695 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: camera going. And you can buy this for two hundred dollars. 696 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 2: Now that's two lies in one. The first lie iss 697 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 2: not recent footage. It's shot three years ago or five 698 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 2: years ago. Secondly, it's not Lola. It's rather a person 699 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 2: from either Venezuela or Philippines, because they've got the good 700 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 2: English language and they're poor enough as a country that 701 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 2: they will be there at your two o'clock in the 702 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 2: morning at five dollars an hour. So the basic concept 703 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: is that Only Fans really makes us money from the 704 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: extra sales that they make when somebody's learning you two 705 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning by having somebody there ready to 706 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 2: answer them at all times. And so my concept is 707 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 2: that I'm going to try and develop an AI chatboc 708 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 2: chatbot that looks at the psychology of the person and 709 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: engages them if they want, with a specific topic of 710 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: climate change to bring them back from the dark side 711 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 2: from the rabbit hole. Using the example of amily fans 712 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 2: with there's somebody available all the time, but I can't 713 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: off people by paying them five dollars an hour. So 714 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: instead of I thought, we developed a chat box instead. 715 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 2: That's my next plan. It'll probably take him a couple 716 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 2: of years. 717 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: That sounds amazing. You're phenomenal. You as well have as 718 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: you said, have had many careers, like filmmaker as well, 719 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: like yeah, like you said, taxi driver, filmmaker, roadie, like. 720 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 2: Driver for four drives, yes, university academic, T shirt maker, 721 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 2: a TV weather man. I was a TV weing. I 722 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,720 Speaker 2: lost the job because I insisted that meat had fat 723 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 2: in it. Yeah. Well, so I had this job as 724 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 2: a TV weather man. We're besides being a TV weather man. 725 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 2: Every time I did a TV spot in the morning 726 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: on the weather, I'd also throw in a ninety second 727 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: science story like oh, here's a weather from Geelong. And 728 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 2: by the way, here's a weather on Saturn. And so 729 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 2: so I do all these different science spots. And he's 730 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: the world's first computer built two and a half thousand 731 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 2: years ago and we don't know who built it from 732 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 2: brass rings the anti kidther object. So I was doing 733 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 2: about half an hour of science a week, and on 734 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 2: one occasion I decided to do a funny little, a 735 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 2: stupid little joke story because it's the nature of morning 736 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 2: TV on the New England Journal of Medicine, which is 737 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 2: one of the top medical journals in Australia in the world, 738 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 2: the New England Journal of Medicine Burger. And they said, okay, 739 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 2: let's get rid of the bad fat by getting the mincemeat, 740 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 2: boiling it to get rid of the bad fat, and 741 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: then skimming it off and then frying it up with 742 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: a good fat of olive oil and not too high 743 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 2: a temperature so that that way you get the delicious 744 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 2: fatty thing. But it's a good fat. And so we 745 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 2: did a story on this, and then after I did this, 746 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 2: and we've got a place to make a special New 747 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 2: England Journal of Medicine Burger and how to sign out 748 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 2: the front and it was just a little one and 749 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 2: a half minute story. And then within half an hour 750 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 2: of that story going to air and the show ending, 751 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 2: I was caught up to see the suits the executives 752 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 2: on the top floor and they said, did you know 753 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 2: the executives a Channel ten said on Good Morning Australia 754 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 2: that we have a three million dollar a year advertising 755 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 2: contract with the Australian Meat Board and you've just gone 756 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 2: on air and said that meat has fat in it 757 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 2: and they'll be happy to keep on giving us the 758 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 2: contract if you go on tomorrow and repudiate that by 759 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 2: saying that meat actually has no fat in it. And 760 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 2: that's how come I got fired from. I said, see 761 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 2: you later. I'm out of here. Man, I'm not going 762 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 2: to tell lies. 763 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: Good on you. Oh my goodness. 764 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: So I've failed in a lot of careers. I've failed 765 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 2: in my academic career testing the steel for the Westgate 766 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 2: Bridge in Melbourne, so I found out it was not 767 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 2: strong enough and doing academic and you can hear it 768 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 2: in a way, failure is a kind of a lesson. 769 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 2: But you don't have too many failures because it kind 770 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 2: of ubsess you at the time. But if you can 771 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 2: learn from it. That's probably good. And you don't want 772 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 2: to make the same mistake more than once. If you 773 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 2: don't make a mistake, you don't make anything, but try 774 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 2: to different mistakes at least each time. 775 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: I like that. I have to ask, why is tyrosine 776 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: your favorite amino acid? 777 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 2: Oh mate? Tyrosine is involved with so many good chemicals 778 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 2: in your body, melanin and melotonin. And the thing with 779 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 2: newborn babies is that they're born three months too early 780 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 2: and their brain is not mature enough to know that 781 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 2: it has to start making melatonin, and so they sleep 782 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 2: at night like normal people and stay awake in the 783 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 2: day like normal people. So that's why the first three 784 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 2: months with babies can be just hell on wheels because 785 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 2: they don't make their own melanin melotonin. And I just 786 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 2: love melonon because it protects your skin, and melon also 787 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 2: gives you the color of your hair the color of 788 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 2: your eyes, so it's not as though you've got a 789 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 2: blue dye in your skin in your eyes or a 790 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 2: green dye. It's all the same die, but in different concentrations. 791 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 2: And it also makes the sky blue. So tyrosine is 792 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 2: my favorite a menage because it makes such a wonderful 793 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 2: chemical moment a. 794 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: Time I did not know that. I always thought of 795 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: tyro scene in the thyroid. That's where my brain goes. Ah, 796 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: my brain, the nutrition brain. You, my friend, are so 797 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: so wonderful and I could talk to you all flipping 798 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: day long. Your book is wonderful. To all the Aussie 799 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: listeners out there, it's officially out, which is really really exciting, 800 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: so they can go out and get their hands on 801 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: a copy. And you, my friend, I cannot wait to 802 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: cross paths with one day, whether it's in Australia, whether 803 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: you're touring in America. I don't know when it'll be, 804 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: but I'm really excited for you in this book. And 805 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you took the plunge and wrote about 806 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: yourself because you are so friendly and never change the 807 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: way you write. Because it really felt like I was 808 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: listening to you, like I could hear you in my 809 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: head when I was reading the book. So ten out 810 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: of ten from me, thank you. 811 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 2: Oh you're awfully. I really tried to avoid the boring 812 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,439 Speaker 2: type of autobiography but also the sad one. 813 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: It was perfect and it's a great cover. Love it. 814 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: Look at you. You wonderful speaking with. 815 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 2: Me on the back cover with disarming me high pants 816 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 2: with the jumper tucked into the pants as well. 817 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: I like a high pant. I don't think there's anything 818 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: wrong with a high pant, my friend. Thank you so much, 819 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 1: and to the listener, please go ahead and get the book. 820 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 1: It's such a wonderful read. You're wonderful. That's a wrap 821 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank you 822 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: to our guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. 823 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm at Yumo Lollerberry. 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