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Speaker 2: Treasure morning, Katie, and good morning to all your lists

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Now, Bill, can

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Speaker 1: Well, what are we going to do if there's a

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Speaker 1: Bill Yan. Now, Bill, we know that this is going

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing, Katie, that the cost is

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Speaker 1: Because i'd seen though Gosling had put a post up

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Speaker 2: We've had these weather events. Now, yes we're going to

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to change the colp's agenda, like

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Speaker 2: we're going to take a hit on our budget, I said.

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Speaker 1: So much situation bill where you guys just keep blaming

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Speaker 2: The budget, look, I said, well, I'm going to take

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Speaker 2: oh bloody hell, that bug it up during the last

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Speaker 2: Build it back better so that we're a little bit

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Speaker 2: I said, build that stuff back better so that we're

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Speaker 1: Someone's just called in and said, can you can you

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Speaker 2: Well, there's some different things. And I actually talked to

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Speaker 2: it'll blow out. But the phone, bitchmen, you can use

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Speaker 2: we might be able to use to do that initial patchwork.

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Speaker 1: All right, Treasurer, I want to just take you to

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Speaker 1: a couple of quick questions because we're both pressed for time.

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Speaker 1: But Darwin today with our petrol prices, I know it's

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Speaker 2: Think you'll see the other state's terminal gate price in

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Speaker 1: In the territory.

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Speaker 2: Let's be a little bit realistic about this. We're watching

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Speaker 1: So you reckon they're doing the right thing. Bias at

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Speaker 2: I must say I give our retails and Charity have

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Speaker 2: Normally we're a bit higher. But because of our retails

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Speaker 2: here are doing the right thing. They've reduced their margins

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Speaker 1: A good point just a moment ago, though you know,

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Speaker 1: these feel like the issues that we're seeing with fuel,

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Speaker 2: That look, our reserves in the territory are pretty good,

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Speaker 2: or seven days. We get between four and five a month.

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Speaker 2: least the next three to four weeks. The ship's coming in.

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Speaker 2: We've got good supplies here in Darwin. So I always say,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying it to everybody, be responsible that your fuel usage.

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Speaker 2: Don't go doing stupid stuff. Get what you need, carry

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Speaker 2: on with your daily lives. So don't do what some

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Speaker 2: the issues down there. Territorians have been really responsible and

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Speaker 1: Good. Hey, one last quick one. The NT News this

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Speaker 1: morning reporting that a three billion dollar rail line from

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Speaker 1: the Mineral Council of Australia's submission to the Preparing for

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Speaker 1: Emerging Industries across Northern Australia Federal Parliamentary Inquiry, look sounds

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Speaker 1: like a good idea. But how are we going to

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Speaker 2: I've seen that from the Minerals councilor it sounds great.

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Speaker 2: I checked my wallet. There's not much in there. I

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Speaker 2: can see you, Katie a look that the link between

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Speaker 2: Would it have been.

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Speaker 1: A better idea though, you know than the ship lift or.

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Speaker 2: No that well, the shiplifts will serve the maritime industry

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Speaker 2: in Northern Australia because WA is capacity, CANS is that capacity.

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Speaker 2: We're going to walk in and fill that market gap.

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Speaker 2: And we're closer to Asia than either Wway or can

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Speaker 2: The railway line's been thrown around for quite some time,

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Speaker 2: It's a good idea. The cost is awfully bloody high.

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Speaker 2: They've got to look at the metrics on return for

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Speaker 2: doing that. And if the Minerals Council have some ideas

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Speaker 2: and the Commonwealth are willing to fund.

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Speaker 1: It, let them goties.

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Speaker 2: I'll get in and I'll back them in on that one,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure. But that bigger piece, all the way

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Speaker 2: across to the west, that's a huge amount of money.

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Speaker 2: We're just now unlocking that sealed road they call it

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Speaker 2: Ossie is longer shortcut from Perth over to Brisbane which

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Speaker 2: does seals of sand over from in the territory out

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Speaker 2: So we're getting pretty close. WA got a lot of

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Speaker 2: work to do Queen Queensland on the money, they'll be

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Speaker 2: done by the dead line, but that'll be good. You

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Speaker 1: Well, let's hope we've got enough bitchamen to make sure

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Speaker 1: Bill Yan, good to speak to you this morning. Really

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Great to be here, Katie, thank you,

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