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Speaker 1: This time for the week that was joining me in

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Speaker 1: Claire booth Be Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got the independent member for goid O Kezier Puric,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Keezier.

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Speaker 3: Morning Katie, Morning bush people.

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Speaker 1: And we have got Selena Rubo who's the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Indigenous Affairs and various other portfolios.

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Speaker 4: Good morning to you, Good.

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Speaker 5: Morning Katie, and happy Friday to the listeners.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, happy Friday. Now we know that well everybody.

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Speaker 1: Is converging on Alice Springs by the sounds of things

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Speaker 1: this morning, as I understand it, the whole not the

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Speaker 1: whole Labor caucus because Selena, but Leah and O pi

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Speaker 1: Aio as well also down there. I understand the Minister

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Speaker 1: for Indigenous Affairs Linda Bernie as well as Melanderrie McCarthy

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Speaker 1: Marie instrum Jaw obviously lives there. But a whole raft

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Speaker 1: of Polly's converging on Alice Springs today collective.

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Speaker 3: For a group of labor politicians, I wonder, good question.

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Speaker 4: I'll let our listeners decide.

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Speaker 3: Labor politicians might Lina.

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Speaker 4: Sarah as well, but not with them.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's certainly certainly a lot of people there,

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Speaker 1: and good in the sense that there is going to

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Speaker 1: be a real focus on Alice. How come you're how

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Speaker 1: come you get to grace us with your presence this morning.

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Speaker 4: Selena Katie.

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Speaker 6: I was down in our springs for a couple of

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Speaker 6: days last week and just to I guess, give a

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Speaker 6: was somebody in the top end still, So the rest

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Speaker 6: of the team down in Alice Springs, the whole labor

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Speaker 4: Good stuff. Well, we are really pleasing to hear Chief

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Speaker 4: for the top end.

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Speaker 2: For the top.

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Speaker 7: Joshu Waere, Bergwyn and bill Yan are there too because

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Speaker 7: they live there.

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Speaker 4: We live there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly the wrong they are now they feel

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Speaker 1: likes fishing in my election a lot. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: look at the alcohol bands that we know are going

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Speaker 1: to be reinstated across the Northern Territory, preventing the sale

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Speaker 1: So obviously the Northern Territory Chief Minster made that announcement well,

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Speaker 1: caving to what had been mounting pressure amid a crime

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Speaker 4: It was a much needed about face. I've got to

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Speaker 4: say that legislation.

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Speaker 1: Being brought forward at next week's First Northern Territory Parliamentary sittings,

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Speaker 1: and the bands will only be lifted then, So obviously

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Speaker 1: by understanding is if sixty percent of residents vote in

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Speaker 1: favor of an alcohol management plan once it's developed, Selena,

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Speaker 1: step in the right direction. From your perspective as the

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Speaker 6: Affairs, Katie, it's definitely clear that Alice Springs and Central

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Speaker 6: Australia do need a respite, but there are other parts

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Speaker 6: in terms of minimizing the harm to all of the communities,

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Speaker 6: bring forward this legislation next week in the first sittings.

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Speaker 6: I mean some of the things that aren't talked about

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Speaker 6: So no one's talking about those communities because the restrictions

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Speaker 3: But is that under round to collect.

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Speaker 6: That's under the previous prior to the intervention, there were

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Speaker 4: So guess the big difference has been this.

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Speaker 1: You know, what we've seen in Central Australia and what

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Speaker 4: As well, were absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 1: Even when you look, you know, you look at the

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Speaker 6: I think, Katie, there's a difference when you're looking at

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Speaker 5: People don't talk about ten and Creek.

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Speaker 6: It's been living under alcohol restrictions for many many years.

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Speaker 6: They've had the three to seven and then that's it

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Speaker 6: for many many years. So when talking about Catherine, we

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Speaker 6: that really needs to come to light here is education

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Speaker 1: But do you think then taking that into account, do

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Speaker 1: you think then the decision that was made six months

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Speaker 1: all right, well, you know it's everybody is able to

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Speaker 4: Do you think it was the wrong move?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's two parts, Katie.

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Speaker 6: Because people could still access alcohol if they are in

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Speaker 6: you can still access alcohol. The difference of the concern

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Speaker 6: we're talking about process in time for local decision making.

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Speaker 6: It took them two years, a two year process to

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Speaker 6: but the two year process has been around community consultation.

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Speaker 6: So you think about that su where everybody was happy,

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Speaker 5: And that's a thing that's that's too fast with the

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Speaker 4: I think that's a big question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like Mariyan Scrimjaw has been out and been

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Speaker 4: I mean, do you like. I guess what I'm getting to.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean we can't paint every person and community

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Speaker 5: Different voices around alcohol.

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Speaker 6: We talk about that here in town, we talk about

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Speaker 5: Talk about it in remote context as well.

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Speaker 6: So the time to be able to create alcohol or

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Speaker 5: I mean we're playing catch up.

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Speaker 6: We had ten years where we had federal governments who

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Speaker 5: So that space in.

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Speaker 5: It does take time.

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Speaker 1: I mean. The hard thing is though this week, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also Katie, sorry to interrupt yourself, it just

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Speaker 3: jumped into my mind. Also to admit that there's a huge,

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Speaker 3: At this point in time, the focus is on Central Australia,

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Speaker 3: shall we.

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Speaker 2: Call it, And.

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Speaker 3: It takes courage for an individual and also for a

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Speaker 3: government to say, yes, we have a serious problem in

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Speaker 3: Alice Springs or Central Australia. It's called it Central Australia.

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Speaker 3: And we know that there's migration now away from Central

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Speaker 4: You know, we're catching up with the Mount Isisimir after

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Speaker 3: So one is to admit that there is a problem.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't matter what's contributed to that problem, what factors contributed

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Speaker 3: but there is a problem in Alice Springs across the board.

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Speaker 3: So that's the first step. The first step is to

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Speaker 4: And we also had a situation government come in and

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Speaker 1: We also had a situation though where when questions are

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Speaker 1: fact is stating nobody's wanting to No states actually wants

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Speaker 7: Right, kids are in this, like Natasha Files, she has

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Speaker 6: I think, Kaanie, the beauty of having a caucus is

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Speaker 4: To make the decision inside. It's actually listening to the community.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, that's been a really

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Speaker 6: But the community doesn't all have the same voice. They

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Speaker 1: So do you think in Central Australia that it hasn't

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Speaker 5: We want to do more.

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Speaker 1: Does the social dysfunction and the the rates of domestic

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Speaker 4: At what point does.

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Speaker 1: That outweigh with anybody no matter where you come from,

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Speaker 6: Well, going to family domestic and sexual violence, Katie, we

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Speaker 1: Now speaking of three hundred million odd dollars is going

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Speaker 1: And then that's in addition to forty eight million dollars

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Speaker 1: You know, how do we ensure that this money is

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Speaker 7: And Katie, we have had millions if not Billions poured

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Speaker 7: But we don't even know where this is, where this

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Speaker 7: I mean you say that people in our springs love it.

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Speaker 7: Of course they love it, but guess what they are

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Speaker 7: They talk about how this behavior is unacceptable. Then they

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Speaker 3: Wrap around services.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget that, wrap around services. They love that word.

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Speaker 7: They talk about how hard they are working to solve

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Speaker 3: Well, are you going to take a break?

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, you know what, Let's take a very you

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Speaker 1: Three sixty KESI Epiric, my co hosts determining when we

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Speaker 1: that was this morning, we have got Selena Rubo, Kesi

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Speaker 4: Now yesterday, Yes, go for it.

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Speaker 3: I've had some people text through to me about what

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Speaker 4: Well there's a choice, okay.

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Speaker 3: A hypocrisy, that is what they've said in an impairment,

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Speaker 2: Interest, incompetence to use that word. An ambition.

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Speaker 4: Well I wasn't expecting it to be an ambition, okay, I.

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Speaker 3: Was on the shambles.

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Speaker 4: Well, what do we call a group of conservative politicians?

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Speaker 4: Somebody can text through and tell me that she's.

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Speaker 3: A conservative politicians. We got collective nouns for that.

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Speaker 1: So we won't just go Well, we like to be fair,

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Speaker 1: so we're not just going to go one way.

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Speaker 3: They We'll find out what an independent group is apart

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Speaker 4: We'll teal, aren't they teal?

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Speaker 2: Don't tell.

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 1: Now, yesterday we were joined on the show by Leofanocchiaro.

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Speaker 1: Now the COLP leader is planning to give notice of

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Speaker 1: a motion of no confidence in the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 1: She said that, you know, basically the reason behind this

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Speaker 4: And that is to keep the community safe.

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Speaker 1: Marie Claire, I'll put to you the same question that

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Speaker 7: Here in the territory, we used to fight to protect

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Speaker 1: There as doun at the moment that people are really,

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's something that we speak about a lot on this show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would, and I have indicated this to the

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think you play the politics.

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Speaker 3: Not going to play the politics? Woman, correct. So, and

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Speaker 3: And some things happen not because of government, just they

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Speaker 1: All you're going to do is have a look on

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Speaker 3: private lives, whatever personal lives, and we have a job

445
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Speaker 3: and this job is a particular kind of job not

446
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 3: suited to everyone. But we've chosen to do this job

447
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 3: and we should be able to do it the best

448
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Speaker 3: we can and not be attacked personally.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean a lot of those comments are like

450
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Speaker 1: we can't go for a run ourselves in our estaings

451
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Speaker 1: and things like that.

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Speaker 3: I accept that the central Australia and you only have

453
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Speaker 3: to follow social media and talk to people. I was

454
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Speaker 3: talking to a couple who own a business up here,

455
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Speaker 3: own and Our Springs, and only one of the owners

456
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Speaker 3: only yesterday, I think I was talking to her and

457
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Speaker 3: she's and they've been in Alice Springs for since the

458
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Speaker 3: early eighties, if not before. Business people, and they said

459
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Speaker 3: our town is destroyed now. These are optimistic business people and.

460
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Speaker 2: Who do very well, and they're usually very resilient.

461
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Speaker 3: And they're very resilient and they will last, you know,

462
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Speaker 3: they'll be there forever. But they've said our town is

463
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Speaker 3: being destroyed now and they're not talking down as you know,

464
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 3: they want to see the best in everything in life.

465
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Speaker 3: So it's about should take this confidence motion and they

466
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Speaker 3: should debate it because they shouldn't shy away from the

467
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Speaker 3: fact they should be able to what they've been doing

468
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Speaker 3: for the last six years or whatever it is, or

469
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Speaker 3: last even the last term in any an area of

470
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Speaker 3: their operation, whether it be you know, essential services which

471
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Speaker 3: Selena is responsible for, amongst other things, whether it be

472
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Speaker 3: social law and order issues, infrastructure issues.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: So it's just the way it should be done. You know,

475
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Speaker 3: you should you should front up and say, okay, you've

476
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Speaker 3: got no confidence in us, well tough like, I'm going

477
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Speaker 3: to tell you why you should have good look at it.

478
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Speaker 3: So I'm quite comfortable talking about where I think there

479
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Speaker 3: should be improvements. You know, my background being sort of

480
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Speaker 3: in the minerals industry, I'd like to see more effort.

481
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Speaker 3: I know there's more money could be put everywhere. But

482
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Speaker 3: you know, you can't keep hanging your hat on a

483
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Speaker 3: small mine, no disrespect to call lithium. You can't keep

484
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Speaker 3: hanging your hat on that mine. Because when we start

485
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Speaker 3: to lose a big mind like gem card Grid Island,

486
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Speaker 3: there go all the mineral royalties not only to the

487
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Speaker 3: Northern Territory government, but through to Aboriginal people on the

488
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Speaker 3: ground because it's on on Aboriginal land rights ground. So

489
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Speaker 3: if we start to lose big minds like that, not

490
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Speaker 3: only are we going to lose lose the industry contribution,

491
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Speaker 3: we're going to lose the contribute that goes to Oddiginal

492
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Speaker 3: people and other territories. So you know, they need to

493
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Speaker 3: really focus really hard on what the opposition is trying

494
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Speaker 3: to achieve on behalf of their constituencies. So there's areas

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Speaker 3: on territories, well, all territories. I'm disappointed in some of

496
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Speaker 3: the areas. Some areas I don't have a lot of

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Speaker 3: interest in for lots of reasons. But yes, I will

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Speaker 3: support it and if I get the opportunity to have

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Speaker 3: my say.

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Speaker 1: So, Selena, is it something that the government is going

501
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Speaker 1: to allow to be debated here?

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Speaker 4: Because the point that Kesia makes is a really good one.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is actually an opportunity for the government

504
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Speaker 1: to be able to outline the various ways that you

505
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Speaker 1: feel you are working well for territorians and to be

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Speaker 1: able to get that across Katie.

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Speaker 6: I always think that Kezia does speak sensibly, and it's

508
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Speaker 6: probably why she left the Sea ORP, to be honest.

509
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Speaker 5: But when we're.

510
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Speaker 6: Talking about sharing the stories of what we're doing as government,

511
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Speaker 6: and yes, there are some things that we can do

512
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Speaker 6: better and we work as that and that's always the

513
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Speaker 6: challenge of government to represent all the views of territorians,

514
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Speaker 6: not just the people who voted for us, but everybody.

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Speaker 6: And when we're talking about the you know, the negative

516
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Speaker 6: things that are happening in the territory, there does need

517
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Speaker 6: to be more work to address that absolutely, and that's

518
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Speaker 6: what we need to do. That's any government, whether it's labor,

519
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Speaker 6: whether it's CLP, it's always going to be the job

520
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Speaker 6: of government to manage that and to support territories to

521
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Speaker 6: have that community safety. But when we do talk about

522
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Speaker 6: the good things are doing in the territory, the CLP

523
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Speaker 6: don't listen anyway. So I mean it would be a

524
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Speaker 6: waste of time to spend hours and hours in Parliament

525
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Speaker 6: talking about all the things that we're doing as government,

526
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Speaker 6: what we have because they don't agree with it. They

527
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Speaker 6: never listen and they never celebrate the good things in

528
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Speaker 6: the territory.

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Speaker 1: And so if people don't agree with your views, you're

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Speaker 1: not prepared to debate them.

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Speaker 5: Pardon sorry, I said if people.

532
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Speaker 4: Don't agree with your views, you're not prepared to debate them.

533
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Speaker 5: No, it's not a matter of that, Katie.

534
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Speaker 6: It's about making sure that we're doing our jobs as parliamentarians,

535
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Speaker 6: that we're doing our jobs as government. And you know,

536
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Speaker 6: we do have a very full legislative schedule and we

537
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Speaker 6: always do. When you look back to the CLP days,

538
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Speaker 6: I mean they'd be lucky to have one piece of

539
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Speaker 6: legislation in three months.

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Speaker 1: Kind of reach the point though we're looking backwards anymore.

541
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Speaker 1: They're trying to look forwards, and the only way that

542
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Speaker 1: they feel as though they can look forwards is if

543
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Speaker 1: we get on top of the social issues that we've got.

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Speaker 4: In the Northern Territory at the moment.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we hear a lot of words from

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister at the moment we're here, to be honest,

547
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Speaker 1: a lot of words from the government in general, but

548
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Speaker 1: not a lot of action in the.

549
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Speaker 4: Areas where people truly feel as though they need it.

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Speaker 1: And I take on board, you know, the comments that

551
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Speaker 1: you're making, and I certainly take on board that you

552
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Speaker 1: were saying that there is different programs in place and

553
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Speaker 1: that there's different work happening.

554
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Speaker 4: But right now people are screaming out for help. They're cranky,

555
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Speaker 4: they're really cranky.

556
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Speaker 1: But they're becoming they're feeling quite helpless.

557
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Speaker 3: It's almost turning into well, it isn't almost it is lawlessness.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I listened to that fellow who owns that

559
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Speaker 3: Mad Snake cafe and he puts posts up and he's

560
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Speaker 3: put stuff everywhere about. And these aren't children therese adults, Yeah,

561
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Speaker 3: toushing his plants out the front and humbugging him and

562
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Speaker 3: all that.

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Speaker 1: Sh this is you know, this is a bloke who

564
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Speaker 1: also fed the homeless on Christmas, Like he's trying to

565
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Speaker 1: do his best.

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Speaker 4: For the community.

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Speaker 1: He does, you know, he does a lot with our

568
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Speaker 1: is our veterans. You talk like you're actually talking about

569
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Speaker 1: people who are contributing and really trying to contribute to

570
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory being a good place.

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Speaker 7: Keisier talks about cranky, but I actually have a different

572
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Speaker 7: lot of feedback that's coming to me and I certainly

573
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Speaker 7: feel it as well. It's gone from cranky to frustration

574
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Speaker 7: and anger, but it's now at a point where it's despair,

575
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Speaker 7: Like it literally is despair. And then you almost try

576
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Speaker 7: and get angry about it, but you just think, oh,

577
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Speaker 7: what's the point where no one is listening to them,

578
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Speaker 7: you know. And now we have this vote of no confidence,

579
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Speaker 7: which is it's been driven from territorians, Like.

580
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Speaker 2: The COLP doesn't just come up with these ideas, It

581
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Speaker 2: comes from territorians.

582
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Speaker 7: And because he's right, this is the perfect opportunity for

583
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Speaker 7: the Labor government to tell Territorians exactly what they have

584
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Speaker 7: done in the last six years, which has contributed to

585
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Speaker 7: a really well functioning society, which we know it's not.

586
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Speaker 7: And for them just to say, oh, we've got too

587
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Speaker 7: much other legislation going on and not the CEOP, this

588
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Speaker 7: the CLP. That doesn't wash with Territorians. They want a

589
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Speaker 7: government who can government govern for the everybody's benefit in

590
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Speaker 7: the territory.

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Speaker 1: Now to just look at this from another perspective, though,

592
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Speaker 1: is it a situation where it's going to be a

593
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Speaker 1: time waster. We're in parliament, it's going to waste time by.

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Speaker 7: When you're talking about territorians lives and livelihoods, then nothing

595
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Speaker 7: is time wasting.

596
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Speaker 2: It should be the absolute priority.

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Speaker 3: So Keys here you're going to support us, But Katie's

598
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Speaker 3: not a time white. Nothing should be considered a time

599
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Speaker 3: wasting pume. You know, Okay, they might be at times

600
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Speaker 3: filibustering to fill in time, but everything everyone says in

601
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 3: there has merit. Just some have more merit than others.

602
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Speaker 3: And that's just the way it is in life. So

603
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't consider it time wasting. It's the opportunity for

604
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Speaker 3: individual members to get up and say or contribute to

605
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Speaker 3: the debate at hand, how it affects their constituency or

606
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Speaker 3: their friends or their family whatever. So you know, whether

607
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Speaker 3: it be Selene or myself or Mariy Clair. We all

608
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Speaker 3: have that opportunity to speak. Some speak for five, some

609
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: speak for fifty, you know. But it's a good opportunity

610
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Speaker 3: to bring things to the attention, not only to the

611
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Speaker 3: attention of the Parliament and to the government from an

612
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: opposition's point of view and independence, but also for terretoins

613
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Speaker 3: to hear about things.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a very short break. You

615
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: are listening to mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

616
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was in the studio this

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Speaker 1: morning Murray Claire Booth, Bi Kesia Puric and Selina Rubo,

618
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Speaker 1: and well we know that yesterday the Member Ferarra lu

619
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Speaker 1: And Robin Lamley issued a statement saying today I've taken

620
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Speaker 1: the step of referring the Northern Territory Attorney General Chancey

621
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Speaker 1: Paike to the NT Independent Commission against Corruption for failing

622
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Speaker 1: to declare his conflict of interest with the local Alice

623
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Speaker 1: Springs Aboriginal Corporation with whom he has deep connections and

624
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Speaker 1: where he has directed enormous amounts of public money. That

625
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Speaker 1: is what she said in the statement. She said, as

626
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Speaker 1: a member of Parliament, I have a mandatory responsibility to

627
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Speaker 1: report in proper conduct to the Office of the IKAK

628
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Speaker 1: and she said that mister Pikes had every opportunity to

629
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Speaker 1: declare his conflicts of interest and recuse himself of all

630
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Speaker 1: government business related to the corporation, but has failed to

631
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Speaker 1: do so. Over several years, many people in Central Australia

632
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Speaker 1: have drawn my attention to these allegations of misconduct and

633
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: potential corruption by mister Pake. I mean, does he have

634
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: some questions to answer here? I did go through the register.

635
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Speaker 3: It's a conflict of interest.

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Speaker 1: What's well his connections I think to mave On not

637
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent sual. Yeah, the connections to to Tongue

638
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Speaker 1: in Jeer Council. I've gone like I've gone through the

639
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: register of interests that people have declared, and there doesn't

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Speaker 1: appear to be anything declared.

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Speaker 4: They're on, you know, on that paperwork.

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Speaker 1: That I know each and every one of you do

643
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Speaker 1: need to make sure that you do declare. Look, it's

644
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Speaker 1: really it's a difficult one. I think that conflicts of interest.

645
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Speaker 3: Conflict of interest is a tricky thing at the best

646
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Speaker 3: of times. But if Chancy Pake's got relatives who work

647
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Speaker 3: in the Tanganed your council. It's called tanged your council. Well,

648
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: what's wrong with that? You could have relatives, you could

649
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Speaker 3: have You've got cousins with.

650
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you do you have a relative that's

651
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Speaker 1: working within one of those councils. Should you be part

652
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Speaker 1: of any decisions where there is money.

653
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Speaker 3: You probably shouldn't all gets when you declare your confident

654
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Speaker 3: of interests.

655
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Speaker 4: But but I don't know whether there.

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Speaker 3: It would have to be demonstrated that that organization received

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00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: favorable treatment under from whatever a chance he's responsible for.

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Speaker 5: Or I understanding.

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Speaker 6: I think the release that Robin Lambley has put out

660
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Speaker 6: is around a tender process because toannggue in Geer, like

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Speaker 6: other organizations in Alice Springs and Central Australia, have gone

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Speaker 6: through tender processes. They are very robust and they are

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Speaker 6: very strict in terms of government tender processes.

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Speaker 5: My understanding is when Tongue in Jeer.

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Speaker 6: Received or were successful, they were one of many submissions

666
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Speaker 6: that have been put in for a particular tender that

667
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Speaker 6: is not managed by the minister. I'm now the Housing Minister,

668
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Speaker 6: but that is not managed to the Minister chance he

669
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Speaker 6: was the Minister for Housing. A couple of years ago.

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Speaker 6: That is completely separate to any political decisions we make

671
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Speaker 6: as manages. Yeah, it's through DIPPLES, so it's actually not

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Speaker 6: even through the Department of Housing.

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Speaker 5: So it's completely separate operationally.

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Speaker 6: What tended to DIPPLE do the procurement process, then they

675
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Speaker 6: award and select a tender and then that is then

676
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Speaker 6: put back to Housing.

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Speaker 5: The Minister does not sign off an if.

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Speaker 1: You're not looking at a tender process, if you're looking

679
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Speaker 1: at things like the consultation process, even for example, with

680
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Speaker 1: you know what we're what we've gone through with the

681
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Speaker 1: sunsetting of the of the Stronger Futures legislation, and you're

682
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Speaker 1: looking at then you know, the consultation process as to

683
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Speaker 1: whether something is or is not reinstated or how it works.

684
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Speaker 4: Should you actually.

685
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Speaker 1: Declare any kind of conflict of interest in those situations,

686
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Speaker 1: because you know, I suppose that that if you do

687
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Speaker 1: have close contacts, whether it's in a you know, whether

688
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Speaker 1: you're talking about this specifically or whether you're talking about

689
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Speaker 1: another decision making process, sometimes our judgment can.

690
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Speaker 4: Be clouded based on our relationships with people.

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Speaker 3: What it also might be I mean is the Member

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Speaker 3: for Earl and referencing Chancey Paike himself, because I've heard

693
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Speaker 3: that perhaps his electoral officer has connections to the Tea

694
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Speaker 3: Get Council through his or her relatives. So how far

695
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Speaker 3: do you declare your conflict in niches and regards to

696
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Speaker 3: your staff or.

697
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Speaker 4: Gets study.

698
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Speaker 1: But if you actually go through anybody that's been a

699
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Speaker 1: director on a board or anybody that has been on

700
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Speaker 1: a you know, like if you're on any kind of board,

701
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Speaker 1: you've got to declare all those kinds of conflicts of interest.

702
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Speaker 1: And then we're talking about the first you know, like

703
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Speaker 1: he's the Attorney General then of the Northern Territory. So

704
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Speaker 1: I would hope that all of that kind of thing.

705
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So you would hope that all of

706
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Speaker 1: those kinds of things have definitely been declared and have

707
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Speaker 1: been looked into.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise it's going to get really and.

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Speaker 2: Robin must have some information.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you don't just do this on a whim,

711
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Speaker 7: like she's obviously getting information through she has some concerns,

712
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Speaker 7: and as politicians, we do have a mandatary obligation to

713
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Speaker 7: report to the Independent Commission of the Corruption.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if any member has concerns, the first thing they

715
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Speaker 3: should do is probably talk to the speaker.

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Speaker 1: Then it's a bit tough though too. When you've got

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Speaker 1: a labor you got a labor speaker labor.

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Speaker 3: No, Well, the speaker is impartial. It doesn't matter what

719
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Speaker 3: political color they are. If there's an issue with the

720
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Speaker 3: register of interest, then that would come under not under

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Speaker 3: the speaker's control, but it's managed through the speakers speakers

722
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Speaker 3: and Department and responsibility. So you know, if member for

723
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Speaker 3: Ara Leeuwin's got some issues, you first clarify, I mean

724
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Speaker 3: one like you did Katie, checked the registered interests of

725
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Speaker 3: members and see what's there and not there, rather than

726
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Speaker 3: I mean I have this obviously this, I have some history,

727
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Speaker 3: but running straight off and you know, dobbin someone into ek.

728
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Speaker 7: I think we don't know all the details that they yet.

729
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Speaker 1: I'll be very interested to see, you be interesting to

730
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Speaker 1: see in terms of you know, the conflicts of interest

731
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Speaker 1: and what has been declared, not only like not only

732
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Speaker 1: in this situation, but I think for all politicians.

733
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's something that we as members should just revisit

734
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Speaker 3: and have a little think ourselves. Like you know, I

735
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Speaker 3: list things that I'm patron of, and you know, we

736
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Speaker 3: list our assets and that kind of stuff and involve

737
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Speaker 3: and you know, relationships like if you have your partner

738
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Speaker 3: work somewhere, I don't know anything that you think could

739
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Speaker 3: be a piece a conflict of interest or maybe it's

740
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Speaker 3: time that we all just do a refresher and think, okay,

741
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Speaker 3: what but you do I need to put on my regis.

742
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Speaker 4: Look, I actually think it's a bit more than that.

743
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Speaker 1: I know, even for myself at different times when I've

744
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Speaker 1: been on air and you know, many years ago, when

745
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Speaker 1: Dan Murphy's were looking at moving on to you know,

746
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Speaker 1: onto the airport site, my husband used to work for

747
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Speaker 1: the for Darwin Airports.

748
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Speaker 4: I said that on air right from the get go.

749
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Speaker 1: You know that that was where because he worked in

750
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Speaker 1: the in the property sector where obviously they were then

751
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Speaker 1: you know, they were doing deals.

752
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Speaker 4: He wasn't working on that deal, but.

753
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Speaker 1: I declared that on air because I actually think that

754
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Speaker 1: you've got to be really upfront with people.

755
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Speaker 4: You've got to make sure that you.

756
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Speaker 2: Are really well well, but you've got, like I.

757
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Speaker 1: Think, you have to make sure that you are declaring

758
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Speaker 1: anything that could be a conflict of interest. You've got

759
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Speaker 1: to be upfront about it and you've got to be

760
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Speaker 1: really honest. And if there is a situation in any

761
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Speaker 1: case with any of our ministers, any members of Parliament

762
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Speaker 1: where you know, where you've didn't realize that something maybe

763
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Speaker 1: was a conflict. Well that's where, yes, there does need

764
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Speaker 1: to be some education. But when you're talking about the

765
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Speaker 1: Attorney General, you would hope that if it is the

766
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Speaker 1: first you know.

767
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Speaker 3: Its relationships that could be viewed.

768
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Speaker 1: As a conflict, because this is a thing. Perception is

769
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Speaker 1: everything in politics can.

770
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Speaker 3: Be wrong, but the perception to a person is their reality.

771
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Speaker 3: So if they believe there's a conflict of interest to them,

772
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Speaker 3: there is and so you got rid of that.

773
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you know that obviously it

774
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Speaker 1: will be it'll be determined. I'm assuming the IK Commissioner

775
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Speaker 1: will determine whether there is something that needs to be

776
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Speaker 1: looked into or not. But how far are you guys

777
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: sort of asked to go when it comes to declaring

778
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: conflicts or when it comes to declaring you know your

779
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Speaker 1: information when you enter politics.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Registry is quite clear in what it seeks

781
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: information from and how much you put in is up

782
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Speaker 3: to you. Like it seeks to know whether you've got

783
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Speaker 3: memberships of certain clubs or you've been given memberships over

784
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: three hundred dollars. If you've been gifted something that's over

785
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: three hundred dollars, you know, whether it be a conscious

786
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: lounge or whatever, ticket or a gift. Yah, it's given

787
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: you a lovely bottle of champagne.

788
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 4: We've got to declare all of that.

789
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Speaker 3: Over three hundred dollars. Yeah, But if it's under three

790
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: hundred dollars and you want to deter it, well you can.

791
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 7: We've always been to talk to overdisclosed. I mean I

792
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Speaker 7: even put the footy clubs that my kids participate in

793
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Speaker 7: on that register, just because one day you just never

794
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 7: know what's going to come up. And yeah, I think

795
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 7: you know, I'm going to be really interested to see

796
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Speaker 7: what happens with the process with our Attorney.

797
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Speaker 2: General of all people.

798
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: If the register needs to be reviewed, well that's something

799
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 3: that the Parliament should deal.

800
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: It should be looking into, you can.

801
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Speaker 6: I just ad, I absolutely think that chance he's done

802
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Speaker 6: all that he needs to do. Because whilst we do

803
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 6: have a process to declare perceive's interests through the Members

804
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 6: Register for Parliament, we also have another process as government ministers,

805
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Speaker 6: and every government minister doesn't matter what faction of politics

806
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 6: you are, but we do go through a process every

807
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 6: twelve months to declare any perceived conflict of interest and

808
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 6: we go through quite a rigorous process to be able

809
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 6: to do that to financially every year. Declar just process

810
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 6: because that goes directly through to the central Holding through

811
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 6: the Cabinet Office. But there is two layers for a

812
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 6: government minister to declare conflict of interest and I think

813
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Speaker 6: that Robin Laandley's allegations will be unfounded throughout an IKQ investigator.

814
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 4: We'll just read out.

815
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Speaker 1: I will just read out the statement that the Attorney

816
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Speaker 1: General has issued. The Attorney General and Minister for Justice,

817
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: Chancey Pake did provide us with the statement saying Miss

818
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: Lambley's allegations about me are baseless and she knows that

819
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: the IKAK was not established to be used as a

820
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: tool for political point scoring, while Miss Lamley continues to

821
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: be self serving and disruptive my territory, labor government colleagues

822
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: and I are continuing on with getting on with what's

823
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: best for territorians. But look, I will say that you

824
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: know that Robin has said as well in that statement

825
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: that she has raised this.

826
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Speaker 4: She said that she as.

827
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Speaker 1: A member of Parliament, she has a mandatory responsibility she

828
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Speaker 1: believes to report what she sees is improper conduct to

829
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Speaker 1: the Office of the Eye Kak. So it'll be interesting

830
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: to see where it all lands.

831
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Speaker 7: And it should be looked at, Katie. It should be

832
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Speaker 7: someone's raised it. It needs to be looked at. And now

833
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 7: we leave it with the Arka to do.

834
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Speaker 1: So. Well, look, we are going to take a bit

835
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: of a break. You are listening to Mix one O

836
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was

837
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Speaker 1: if you have just joined us in the studio. Well,

838
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: we've got this morning Murray Claire Boothby, Keirsey Epiric and

839
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: Selena Rubo.

840
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Speaker 3: I've got the liberal politicians.

841
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 4: Okay, can just go quickly.

842
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: It could be an equivocation of liberal politicians and odium.

843
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a bit of that's a tricky word.

844
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: We won't go.

845
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: We won't say what is or I like this one

846
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: a wind sock or wind bag of liberal politicians.

847
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: There you go, We'll.

848
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: Tell you what interesting ones on both sides of the fence, there,

849
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: won't they?

850
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: Now I do want to.

851
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: Just talk about tourism for a moment, because yesterday we

852
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: caught up with tourism Central Australia's Daniel Rochford and certainly

853
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: spoke about the need well at some point for there

854
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: to be recovery when it comes to tourism in Central Australia.

855
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: But Alan's been in contact with us this morning called

856
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: through Good morning, Katie. Can you please ask the panel

857
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: about another major event being canceled for the Northern Territory

858
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: Caravan and Camping National Events. The Northern Territory is going

859
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: to lose millions in revenue for all that all the

860
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: businesses and look, this is the point that's being made

861
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Speaker 1: at the moment.

862
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 4: That's that's pretty understandable.

863
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people going, well, why

864
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: would I travel somewhere where I don't feel safe at

865
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: this point?

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00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie, I think in terms of our springs and

867
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 6: the changes, and of course you know what's been shared

868
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 6: not just across the territory but nashally is having an impact.

869
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 6: But we are confident that the dry season in particular,

870
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Speaker 6: which is the peak tourism season in our springs will

871
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Speaker 6: regenerate you know, the visitors and the numbers.

872
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: And particular the behavior because the thing is if there's

873
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: not like if the crime is still going on it's

874
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: not going to I just can't understand the government's mentality

875
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: with that.

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00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 5: Sorry you're switching back. I know we're just talking about tourism,

877
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 5: but the point.

878
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 4: Of why it's been cast because of the crime.

879
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 6: Well, the support that we need to give Alison, Central

880
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 6: Australia is further resources, further support in terms of being

881
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 6: able to provide programs, initiatives and that community safety, which

882
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 6: we know is a key priority, but in terms of

883
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Speaker 6: being able to continue investment and have that footprint in

884
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Speaker 6: Central Australia. With drawing from big events or not holding

885
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 6: things in Central Australia will continue to hurt not just

886
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 6: the social footprint of our springs, but the economic footprint.

887
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Speaker 6: So that's why, particularly Territorians and other Australians and our

888
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 6: international visitors, we want to see that resumption of tourism

889
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 6: in Central Australia because it is a beautiful place.

890
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 4: People love the continent that you're.

891
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: Able to do that if you can't get on top

892
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: of the issues that we've.

893
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Speaker 6: Got or Katie, we know that there's going to be

894
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 6: that extra investment and the measures we do have that

895
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Speaker 6: partnership and support with the federal government. We are seeing

896
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 6: so many of those community meetings that are leading community solutions.

897
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Speaker 6: We're seeing local government be active and people working together,

898
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Speaker 6: and not just governments, not just the three tiers of government.

899
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Speaker 6: We're seeing businesses, We're seeing industry, We're seeing average or

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00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 6: traditional owners, We're seeing non government organizations or working towards

901
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 6: those community solutions. But we also need to see that

902
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 6: investment back in tourism to be able to support the

903
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Speaker 6: economy in Central Australia.

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Speaker 1: And look, you know that cancelation is on top of

905
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: the motocross that obviously got canceled as well. The junior

906
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: motocross were not canceled. It's moved up here to the

907
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: top end down to your neck of the woods.

908
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Speaker 3: Yep.

909
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Speaker 7: But yeah, LOOKI I just want to go back to

910
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 7: what Selena was saying about what they're working on and

911
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 7: all these people working together. I mean, they are the

912
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 7: exact words that we have heard for six years, Alice Springs.

913
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Speaker 7: Tourism is no stranger to suffering. That this has been

914
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Speaker 7: going on for a long time. They've been through Helen

915
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 7: back time and time again. It was only a few

916
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 7: years ago that the current affair was aired Nash and

917
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Speaker 7: that reputation got trashed.

918
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Speaker 3: That was a few months last couple of years ago when.

919
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 7: They just after COVID, you know, so they're just recovering

920
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 7: and this happens now it's taken the national shame again

921
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 7: and it is a shame like it's a shame job.

922
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: I mean that's a word that Terra Turns used. It's

923
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: a shame job.

924
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 7: That this It's taken so much push from the community

925
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Speaker 7: and and things not happening to bring the Prime minister.

926
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Speaker 1: The disappointing part that I want to point out is

927
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Speaker 1: Daniel Rochford had joined me on the show towards the

928
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Speaker 1: end of last year and he said.

929
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Speaker 4: Katie, we are we need help.

930
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: This is a national emergency before it hit the national

931
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Speaker 1: head exactly.

932
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Speaker 7: And this morning and Nicole Madison has been on radio

933
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Speaker 7: and she's been saying that tourism's looking up for our springs.

934
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Speaker 2: She's talking it really positively.

935
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Speaker 7: Which sure is great, but that's what she did last

936
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Speaker 7: time and it wasn't good, you know, and it took

937
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Speaker 7: a national shame for it.

938
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Speaker 5: She's around about the corking numbers.

939
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Speaker 6: So when you're talking about what are people doing and saying, oh,

940
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 6: no one wants to go to our springs, but the

941
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Speaker 6: booking numbers can't undo then.

942
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Speaker 1: So the thing I'm feeling really disappointed about this morning

943
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Speaker 1: is to me, you know, and I've got a lot

944
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Speaker 1: of respect for you, Selena, so don't take this as

945
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Speaker 1: a personal attack on you, But for me, I feel

946
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Speaker 1: as though the Northern Territory government is just continuing to

947
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Speaker 1: say all the same things.

948
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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's all the same stuff.

949
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Speaker 1: There's nothing and it's really it's actually really disappointing.

950
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Speaker 5: So that's the that's the discipline you have to have

951
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 5: as government.

952
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Speaker 2: Differently, something different.

953
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 6: We haven't had a single solution from the cel P.

954
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 6: There's been no one right through to go through. We've

955
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 6: seen that the community has been offering solutions, but there's

956
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Speaker 6: always the negative from the CELP, which does not help

957
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Speaker 6: people in Central Australia.

958
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Speaker 3: But Katie, there's a key issue that we're not talking

959
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 3: about it. I mean, if the bookings, if the bookings

960
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Speaker 3: are good, as Minister Madison has said, that's good, but

961
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Speaker 3: one of the key things is the bookings can be there.

962
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Speaker 3: But what if the businesses can't get staffed to service

963
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 3: the and.

964
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Speaker 2: Those talkings are getting canceled.

965
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Speaker 3: The people won't want to go to Alice Springs because

966
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Speaker 3: of the reputation it's generating around the country. So there's

967
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Speaker 3: a tricky situation you can have, you can have bookings, yeah,

968
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Speaker 3: and then they can be withdrawn because that's.

969
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: Exactly I mean, the point is that's some of the

970
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Speaker 1: stuff that Daniel was talking to us about yesterday.

971
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Speaker 4: So that's the I guess that's the really tough spot

972
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Speaker 4: that we're in at the moment.

973
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Speaker 1: And then you know, even towards the end of last year,

974
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Speaker 1: there was rocks being thrown at tourist buses when they

975
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Speaker 1: were arriving, you know, back from their tour for the day.

976
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Speaker 1: It's just a week ago that you know, we've seen

977
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Speaker 1: kids on the street and spitting and getting into a

978
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Speaker 1: punch up with people inside a hotel, like inside their hotel,

979
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. You know.

980
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Speaker 4: It's yeah, I like, I understand that things.

981
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Speaker 1: Aren't going to change overnight, but this isn't an issue

982
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Speaker 1: that's just come about a week ago. It's an issue

983
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Speaker 1: that we've been grappling with police.

984
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Speaker 7: That hasn't happened. I mean, all this money that that

985
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Speaker 7: has been a lot. They come in for five minutes

986
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Speaker 7: and then they go again.

987
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 6: Like our police are hard work, King and have been

988
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Speaker 6: continuing to address not just the the issues that we

989
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 6: talked about, but some resources eye some of it. Well,

990
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Speaker 6: that's why we're working with the fans very clear, like

991
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 6: how can you then resource something that has been.

992
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 4: Years and easy and what we don't have the money.

993
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: You have money for years.

994
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Speaker 6: We don't even know enough because we don't have the

995
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Speaker 6: money to hit the need of the communities, not just

996
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 6: in Alice Springs but right across the territory. Where's the

997
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 6: CLP and the uproar about needs based funding for family

998
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 6: domestic vines. Where's the CLP uproar about funding for homelessness?

999
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: Which time product the country?

1000
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Speaker 1: About Peter's personal safety? Where is Labour's uproar about people's

1001
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: personal safety?

1002
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 6: Absolutely, we're concerned about people's safety in the community, doesn't

1003
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Speaker 6: matter if it's in Alice Springs or Catherine or one

1004
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Speaker 6: of our remote communities.

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Speaker 5: Katie, that is the work that we need to do.

1006
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 6: We need to get on with the practical steps that

1007
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 6: will actually keep people safe and not continue to talk

1008
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Speaker 6: about it, actually act on it.

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Speaker 1: Look, we're gonna have to finish on something a bit

1010
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Speaker 1: lighter because I have just had a message come through

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Speaker 1: from Wendy Kezier. Good morning Katie and team. Can you

1012
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Speaker 1: please ask the chook resuscitator how the chook is that one?

1013
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: There from Wendy to wrap up.

1014
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: The little hen is doing fine. The ungrateful things. She

1015
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: ran off with the package. She hasn't even not much.

1016
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Speaker 1: She was going to come into the studio earlier in

1017
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Speaker 1: the week and didn't didn't make it.

1018
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Speaker 4: Ran away from Keysy Penny Henny.

1019
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 5: She ran away.

1020
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Speaker 4: She did.

1021
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Speaker 3: She didn't want anything more thrown and breathed down to.

1022
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Speaker 4: His little bit. Well that's it. We are going to

1023
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Speaker 4: have to wrap up. We've run out of time.

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Speaker 1: Marie Claire Boothby, thank you so much for your time

1025
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Speaker 1: this morning. The SEALP member, thank you, Thank you Katie

1026
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Speaker 1: and listeners. Keezier Puric, the Independent member for going to

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Speaker 1: thank you. Thanks Katie selena Ubo, the Labour's Minister for

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Speaker 1: Indigenous Affairs Essential Services, as well on various other portfolios.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you Katy