1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: On today's show, the Sippy Cup drama spilling over on 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: TikTok Tammy Hembro's sponsored wedding dress try On, and Madison 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Woolly is left temporarily homeless as her parents rent out 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: their family home. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and Amy. You're back refreshed 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: from your honeymoon. How was it? It was really good? 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. I feel like all Dale and I did though, 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: was just eat in Balley. We did see a lot 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: of TikTok fogs of the food. Some of those buffets 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: were absolutely incredible. Yeah. The funny thing is when you 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: go on holiday, you do get excited for the buffet, 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: But after the first buffet, I was kind of over it. 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: I more enjoyed going out and actually just getting just 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: one meal out for breakfast rather than having so many choices, 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: just spoilt for choice. That's talking about being spoiled. Taylor 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Swift blew everyone's tiny minds yesterday at the Grammys when 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: she announced in her acceptance speech for her thirteenth Grammy, 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: of course, that she's releasing a new album. It is 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: called The Tortured Poets Department and it's out on April nineteen. 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: I feel like Joe Alwan will be absolutely squirming because 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: she said this has been two years in the making. 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: She really got everyone good because there was a theory 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: developing online that she was going to re release Reputation 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: because she changed her profile picture to a black and 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: white photo. She also wore black and white to the Grammy. 27 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: I was excited for Reputation, but this is so much better, 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: particularly because it's been two years in the making. Because 29 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm expecting by the title that we're going to be 30 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: hearing a lot of breakup songs about Joe. I'm also 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: hoping we get an insight into Travis and Taylor's relationship. 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: Madison Willy has revealed she was forced to spend ten 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: days in Balley after her parents rented out the house 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: she was living in, so Madison moved back in with 35 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: her parents into their news And mansion last year. Her 36 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: excuse is that she's looking for a Sydney apartment. However, 37 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: she's been there quite a while now. I thought she 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: would have moved back to Sydney by now. Well, if 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: you were living in that mansion, would you really be 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: rushing around trying to find a new rental house. My 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: boyfriend Jonathan also made the move into State, so he's 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: been living it up with her there as well. Yeah, 43 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: imagine moving in with the in laws when you're in 44 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: your thirties. Side note, I was in Bali at the 45 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: same time as both Jonathan and Madison, and also Sophicacia, 46 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: and a few people listen to the podcast were messaging 47 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: me being like, you've got to be careful. I did 48 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: think that, but Bali is such a big place. I 49 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: was there when Olivia Rogers and Morgan Waterhouse. I'm guessing 50 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: it was because we had that run in with Kurt 51 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: Tills and everyone was feeling for us because it was 52 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: so fucking awkward. Dale said to me, He's like, what 53 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: if you like, because Dale has no idea who any 54 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: of these people are, He's like, what would happen if 55 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: you did run into one of them and they said 56 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: do you want to get a drink? And I was like, Dale, one, 57 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't go, and that's not going to happen. No, 58 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: I've got a cop abuse if anything. Yeah. Now, on 59 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Madison's podcast, she did touch upon having to go to Bally. 60 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: This is what she said. 61 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: I'm currently without a home right now. I my parents, 62 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 2: so you know how I'm saying. You guys know the 63 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: drum staying in New Side at my parents' house. But 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: they've gone overseas, so we've done like a house exchange swap. 65 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: So there's people in the house, but I don't know them. 66 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: So I had to leave so for three weeks. My 67 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: parents are like, yep, you kind of have to be out. 68 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: You've got nowhere to stays. 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm like cool. 70 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: So anyways, John and I going to Bali for ten 71 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: days on Saturday, whichuld be lovely. 72 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm very excited. And I'm sorry, Charling, this whole story 73 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: cracks me up. I mean, maybe it's the way that 74 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: you've prefaced it, Kate, but that she's forced to go 75 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: to Bali because their parents are renting out the place. 76 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of people would love to 77 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: be forced to go on a ten day holiday to Bali. 78 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: Particularly the villas they were staying in. They looked insane. 79 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: Well one was a five bedroom villa and it looked epic. 80 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: But my first thought was how boring would that be? 81 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the two of them rattling around 82 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: in this villa. Like Dale and I purposely stayed in 83 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: resorts because you kind of want other people around, but 84 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: you can go out. I think the good thing about 85 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: having a villa in Bali is I tend to get 86 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: sick of the people, particularly people that are in Bali, 87 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: like the Bogans. I get sick of them and want 88 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: to go into a villa to get away. They're great 89 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: people watching, but when they be doing all of their 90 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: content shoots there, I'm sure that this is some sort 91 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: of tax deduction for them. Well, on Madison's recent podcast, 92 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: she said that Jonathan was taking photos of her and 93 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: someone in the neighboring villa actually offered to come over 94 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: and take some cute couple photos. I'm sure they did, 95 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: but she was scared that she was going to get 96 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: robbed because apparently last time they were in Balley they 97 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: got robbed. They didn't, but she said she was just paranoid. 98 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: Now it gets interesting because a couple of weeks ago, 99 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: a listener sent us a real estate dot com link 100 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: to what appears to be the Woolies Nooser home. So 101 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: despite Madison being back from Barley, now it's unsure where 102 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: she is living, as the home is still being advertised 103 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: as a rental that's actually available on the twenty sixth 104 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: of February. Now, the home looks exactly like the one 105 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: that Madison shows off in her content and in the 106 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: it says it comes fully furnished with the use of 107 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: a convertible Lexus and golf cut and it's available for 108 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: a minimum two month fixed term least. So I'm wondering, 109 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: are Jonathan and Madison homeless? Like where are they living? Well, 110 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: surely they're just going to move back to Sydney and 111 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: get a rental. Wasn't Madison living in a hotel room 112 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: when she would come back to Sydney. Maybe she's just 113 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: because you've probably got some deal with the hotel where 114 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: they're just staying there for free. I don't think so. 115 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: More like maybe her parents have offered to put her 116 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: up somewhere to apologize for their house not being available. 117 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: What I don't get is it's clear that the Woolies are 118 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: extremely wealthy. Their home is absolutely stunning at will cost 119 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: a mint. It's a bit strange that wealthy people have 120 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: chose to rent out their house literally kick Madison and 121 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan out, Like, why didn't they just get Madison and 122 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: Jonathan to pay them some rent? That's how the wealthy 123 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: get wealthier. Of course, I mean they're good business people. 124 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: Maybe they want them to get the fuck out of there, 125 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: Like that was me and I'm this, you know, I 126 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: aren't they scientists or something. They're super medical scientists. Yeah, 127 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: these super intelligent people. They've got these two influences. All 128 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: they're doing is spending all day by the pool sending 129 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: their emails. And you know, you've got some thirty something 130 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: year old guy there with your younger daughter. I'd probably 131 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: be like, get the fuck out. 132 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 133 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: Do you think it's a bit of a hint to leave? 134 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: I definitely think so. I think that's saying, look it's over, 135 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: get out. Times up. An argument over the cost of 136 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: a ceramic sippy cup is spilling over on TikTok, with 137 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: young women being asked to take sides. Dubbed muggate, The 138 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: latest online controversy involves jen z it girl Sophia Beg 139 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: and small business owner Shelby Share it Now, Sophie, how 140 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: did this all start? Well? More than a month ago, 141 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: as part of a Christmas hole, Sofia uploaded an eight 142 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: minute TikTok showing her followers what she bought her family 143 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: members for Christmas. Now as part of the whole Sofia 144 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: explained that she bought a ceramic mug with little strawberries 145 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: on it from the finders keeper market. Let's try to 146 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: what she said there. 147 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: I actually have no idea trying to give this to Basically, 148 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 4: I was up this market, the finder finders Keeper's market. 149 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 4: How can you just cut right? I think it's actually 150 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: like a kid supper cut, which is silly because it's ceramic, 151 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 4: so if they dropped, it was smash. But I didn't 152 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: say that. I thought it just had one hand. I 153 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 4: was like, oh, that's such a cup mug. But I'm 154 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 4: just gonna get it. Like I was like whatever, like, 155 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: I'll just get it. Didn't ask how much it was. 156 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 4: She's like, yeah, that's all good. You can tap. It's 157 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: a hundred She's like, oh, she's like it's so good, 158 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 4: you can tap. Fucking look at the Fox machine one 159 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five dollars. 160 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: But that's what the smugg is. 161 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: It's literally tiny, that's like a proper mug size. I 162 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: was like, she like fully wrapped it and put it 163 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: in a bag and like I was about to tap. 164 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 4: She was like, there's no way I can be Like no, 165 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 4: I could have, but I would have felt really bad. 166 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: So I just got it. But now I'm like, fuck, 167 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: do I give this too? I'm not going to give 168 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 4: this to actually one of my cousins that's small, because 169 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 4: they'll just break it. It's so breakable. It's like hands serrained, 170 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: hand ceramiced, you know. So I don't know who the 171 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 4: fuck that's for, but we'll figure it out. 172 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out here that Sophia 173 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: didn't name the business or the owner. She did show 174 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: the cup, though, which contained the designer's signature artwork, so 175 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are familiar with shehell, we 176 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: would to put two and two together. Now. This is 177 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: where small business owner Shelby Sharett entered the chat. For 178 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: some context, Shelby has a huge following of her own. 179 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: She is an Aussie potter based in Ballarat and has 180 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: garnered over two million followers by sharing her artwork and 181 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: her love of clay. I think that point is really 182 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: interesting because when I saw all of this unfold online, 183 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: I assumed that it was Shelby Sharett punching up, and 184 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people were like, Oh, this girl is 185 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: clearly trying to get clout after using Sophia's name. But 186 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: it's actually interesting because she's got eight hundred thousand more 187 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: followers than Sophia. That's the thing. People are seeing this 188 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: as some sort of David and Goliath battle, and they're 189 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: looking at it as though it's a situation we've seen 190 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: in the past where some influencers take down small businesses 191 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: who have no platform to defend themselves on. And I 192 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: think she has cultivated such a passionate and dedicated audience 193 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: not only because her pottery is just so beautiful, but 194 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: because she actually started pottery in twenty sixteen after she 195 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: was diagnosed with cancer and at the time she said 196 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: it felt gave her some agency and control back. So 197 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: not only does she have a beautiful story behind the pottery, 198 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: but the pottery is exceptional itself. Now. On Wednesday, Shelby 199 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: hit back with a four minute TikTok of her own, 200 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: accusing Sophia of lying about her experience at her store, 201 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: and she also took issue with Sophia, criticizing her pricing structure. 202 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,239 Speaker 1: Here's a snippet of what she said. 203 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: I just wanted to say thank you so so much 204 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: for supporting my soul business. It means so so much. 205 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: Every single time someone purchases a piece that I make, 206 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: I have literally spent hours and hours finessing glazing. I 207 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: handpaint every single one. And that's not including how much 208 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: money goes towards tax, how much goes towards GST, how 209 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: much outgoings. I have all my supplies that have also 210 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: increased in value. It also includes my staff's wages. It's 211 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: also deeply upsetting to have someone not only question you 212 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: as a business owner and the all about how I 213 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: interacted with you, but to also have you question my 214 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: pricing when you two also run a small business and 215 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: you know how much goes into every single little thing 216 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 3: that small business does. 217 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: I found the timing of this all really strange because, 218 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,359 Speaker 1: as you mentioned at the start of the segment, Sophie 219 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: Sophia actually posted about this back in December, So wh're 220 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: now in early February. Do you think that Shelby only 221 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: just saw this video and it's her instant reaction or 222 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: do you think there was some strategy behind it? Well, 223 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: it was an eight minute video. I think that that's 224 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: why it's taken so long for Shelby to come across this. 225 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: I assume that one of her followers has just tagged 226 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: during the video and said, Hey, you've got to mention here, 227 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: and then you have to sit through the eight minute 228 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: hole of all the boring Christmas presents. I was a 229 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: little bit taken aback about how so for Dover actually 230 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: spoke about the cup, it did come across as a 231 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: little bit rude, particularly if she had met the business 232 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: owner and learned more about the business itself. It just 233 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: I didn't sit well with you. See, she's disputing whether 234 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: she did actually meet the business owner. She said that 235 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: she thinks that someone else served her, and she is 236 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: also denying that they had this huge conversation that Shelby 237 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: said they had. I disagree with you, Kate, because when 238 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: I first saw the video without any of the context 239 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: around Shelby's business, I just thought it was kind of 240 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: funny because we've all been in that situation where we've 241 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: thought something is cheaper than it is, and a't that 242 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: moment where you're like you go to the register and 243 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: you think, shit, do I just pay for this construment? 244 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: Faris look one hundred and twenty five dollars. It did 245 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: take me back, but I didn't know the full story 246 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: behind the pottery. I do think it's interesting, though, when 247 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: you consider how much influencers sell their fast fashion products for. 248 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: Sophia has her own business called All for Mimi, and 249 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: she recently did a drop of Valentine's Day products, and 250 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people were commenting that those products were 251 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: particularly expensive, considering she was selling bottoms and tops separately 252 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: for around seventy dollars. I think a lot of people 253 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: would just assume, like influences like Sophia Beg has a 254 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: lot of money, so they're willing to just go, oh, yeah, 255 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five dollars, that's nothing. Because I 256 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: saw in a recent vlog that Sophie Jane Miller did. 257 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: She said she went to get fresh flowers for her house, 258 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: and she thought the tulips were going to cost like 259 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: fifteen bucks or something, and they ended up costing like 260 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: eighty dollars, costs fifteen dollars, I can't remember. It was 261 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: something she thought they'd be a lot cheaper than they were, 262 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: and she said she just felt kind of shamed into 263 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: buying them as well. But I think we've all been there. Yeah, 264 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: I don't think you have to be influenced to be 265 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: shamed into purchasing stuff, but I think it took it 266 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: that step further to actually say it on a TikTok video, 267 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: and I think that the comments kind of sounded derogatory 268 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: towards the actual product itself. Getting back to Shelby's video, 269 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: she did then discuss her interaction with Sophia, and I 270 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: want to point out that both of their versions of 271 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: events are very different. I think that's what makes it 272 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: so awkward, because you're like, well, who is not telling 273 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: the truth in this situation. It's quite sad because Shelby 274 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: said that she and the other stall owners are really 275 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: excited to have Sophia at the marketplace and they thought 276 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: that she might shout out the event, and when she arrived, 277 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: Shelby said that she recognized her immediately because she'd just 278 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: been nominated for a TikTok award, So she said that 279 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: she congratulated Sofia on the nomination and explained to her 280 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: that all of the prices were placed on the bottom 281 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: of the of the pieces so she could pick up 282 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: and handle whatever she wanted, and Shelby said that she 283 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: reiterated that there was no pressure to purchase. Now Shelby 284 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: then went on to claim that she saw Sophia pick 285 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: up things and look at the prices. She also said 286 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: she showed her other pieces from the Strawberry collection as 287 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: she didn't have many left because it had been so 288 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: popular that day. Now Shelby says she told her the 289 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: price of the piece in question, and Sophia handed her 290 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: the mug that she wanted to go with. She said 291 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: she didn't wrap the mug up until she knew that 292 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: Sophia was happy to go ahead with it, and then 293 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: gave her the FPOs machine. It was rather awkward because 294 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: Shelby finished off the video by offering Sophia a full 295 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: refund and said that they can find a new home 296 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: for someone who would actually appreciate the mug. Now. You'll 297 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: recall in Sophia's original video that she was confused and 298 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: referred to the mug as a sippy cut because she 299 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: said she thought it was for children because it had 300 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: two handles. Now Shelby has actually clarified that that mug 301 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: is a part of her Dignity range and it has 302 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: two handles so it can help people who have different 303 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: needs or disabilities. I think this is such a good 304 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: pr move by Shelby because they spoke about how they 305 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: wanted Sofa dofor to shout out the business. Well, this 306 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: bad publicity has really turned out to be such good 307 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: publicity for Shelby, I think, and I think that's why 308 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people originally were like Jesus is so 309 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: strategic for her, particularly because of the timing. You know, 310 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: it didn't happen straight after the Christmas whole. I do 311 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: think that she was taken off guard though, because I 312 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: feel like there was a lot of passion and emotion 313 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: in the video, particularly because she has gone and deleted 314 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: it since well, there was really an outpouring of support 315 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: for Shelby. One follower wrote under the video, the hurt 316 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: and sadness in your voice is poppable. This breaks my 317 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: heart for you, and that comment got over eight thousand likes, 318 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: and Shelby replied saying it would be totally understandable if 319 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: we stuffed up, but she lied about the whole interaction. 320 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Someone even went as far as describing Shelby as the 321 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift of the pottery world, and it's so clear 322 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: that she's so respected for her work and is incredibly popular. 323 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: Her work sells out within hours. What makes me feel 324 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable about this whole thing is just how much 325 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: hate is being directed at Sophia, though, because I don't 326 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: think she intentionally went out there to bad mouth Shelby's brand. 327 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: I think it was a small section of her hall. 328 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: She kind of didn't think much about the mug other 329 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: than the fact that she was shocked that it costs 330 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: so much money, and it's kind of been blown up 331 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: into this big thing and everyone's being told you've got 332 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: to pick a side. I don't think anyone's particularly wrong. 333 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: It's a misunderstanding. If anything. There were so many hate 334 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: comments directed at her. One follower wrote, Sophia is so entitled. 335 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: I can't with her. With the cost of living these days, 336 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: small businesses have no choice but prices and cover costs. 337 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: I have noticed this rhetoric at the moment that Sofi 338 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: dofa is a mean girl, and I think it really 339 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: gained momentum off the back of that really embarrassing TikTok 340 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: Awards interview that went down. I do feel sorry for Sophia, 341 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: but then again, she is the queen of TikTok. She 342 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: knows how this platform works, she knows how to go viral. 343 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: And I would have thought that if she understood that 344 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: Shelby is also another big creator on the platform, that 345 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: bagging out a product in a hole would actually create 346 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: some beef between them. I think she had no idea 347 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: how big Shelby's following actually is. No because she definitely 348 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: thought that Shelby was doing it to get some sort 349 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: of relevance, because she said, I'm so sick of people 350 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: dropping my name. Because she did put out a response 351 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: video saying that she was so confused by Shelby's video, 352 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: And in the video, she said that she swears in 353 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: her mum's life that she did not touch any of 354 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the items and she's not even convinced that she was 355 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: served by Shelby. She said that she remembers being served 356 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: by a girl with long, dark hair. Let's throw to 357 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: a snippet of what she said. 358 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: And I remember seeing the mug and thinking it was 359 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 4: really cute. When I looked at the mug, I couldn't 360 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 4: see that had two handles. I wouldn't have bought it, 361 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 4: but I thought I had one handle. If like she's 362 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 4: claiming in the video, which I don't even know if 363 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 4: it's if it is if it even is her business 364 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 4: in the video, because I don't remember her looking like that. 365 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 4: She is now making this video saying that I was 366 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 4: picking it up. I looked at the price from the bottom. 367 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 4: I looked at the price of a few things. She's 368 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 4: telling me that she talks me through the price and 369 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 4: that she talks me through the whole strawberry collection. This 370 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 4: did not happen. I don't know why people feel like 371 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 4: they can make videos saying my name and just throwing 372 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: absolute lies in there to get views. Because the video 373 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 4: has so many views. Of video has so many likes, 374 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 4: the video has so many comments slamming me. Of course, 375 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 4: all my hater is gonna run at that and just 376 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 4: take that like people just take things, like take things 377 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 4: with a grain of salt. This did not happen. Even 378 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 4: if it did in the video, I didn't even say 379 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: anything bad. All I said was that I did not 380 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 4: have two handles, and I was shocked because I didn't 381 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 4: expected to be that expensive. 382 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: It is funny when you hear each of these TikTokers 383 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: recount their version of events because they are so different. 384 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: The thing is Shelby was talking about what a big 385 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 1: event it was to have Sofi dofa there, and then 386 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: she was excited. She obviously knew who she was, So 387 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: I am leaning more towards maybe believing her side of events, 388 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: because you would think that that would stick more clearly 389 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: in your mind, whereas with Sophia, she was just at 390 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: a random market. Does she really remember everything that happens? Well, 391 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: people have even taken it a step further and they've 392 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: gone back to look through event photos and someone has 393 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: found a photo of the stall to try and point out, 394 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: so they're like, oh, well, there's all of these strawberry 395 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: collection that are behind the workers, so maybe she couldn't 396 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: have touched them. And I did actually notice that one 397 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: of the stall owners did have dark hair, but that's 398 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: not to say that she didn't speak to both of them. 399 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: This was like months ago. I mean, surely each of 400 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: them doesn't exactly remember the specifics of everything that went down. 401 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: All I see now online, though, is strawberry related stuff. 402 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: Like even Sophia a Beg brought out strawberry pajamas. Well, 403 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: I did put that out because I thought that was 404 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: part of her Valentine's Day drop but she did let 405 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: us know that that was part of her drop from 406 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: a few months ago, so to lead to no confusion 407 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: that was from a few months before. I don't like 408 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: how people have been asked to take sides in this 409 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: because there are so many video circulating saying are you 410 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: team Sofa or Team Shelby. One video that did crack 411 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: me up is someone wrote the way I have just 412 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: woken up, watched fifty videos made about this mug mystery. 413 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: Watch both Sofa and Shelby's responses. I've never been so 414 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: invested in the Ceramic Cup world, and I fear I 415 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: never will again. Are we team Sofa or Shelby? I've 416 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: got to know. I just think it shows how bored 417 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: everyone is and how thirsty we are for drama. Because 418 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think Shelby probably 419 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: looks back on this with some gratch. He probably thinks hmm. 420 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: Probably wasn't the best thing for me to post about. 421 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: Probably copped a lot of abusive messages from Sofa DOPHA 422 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: fans did call out a twenty year old girl, and 423 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: even though I think that she kind of was within 424 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: her rights too, because when a big influencer like Sofa 425 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: Dofer speaks poorly about your products. I would be the 426 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: first one jumping on TikTok with a clapback. I think 427 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: that if she had thought more rationally rather than emotionally, 428 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: we would have had a completely different scenario. I don't 429 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: think we would have heard about this at all. The 430 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: videos would have been creeped. So we think that this 431 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: could have just been resolved with a DM because personally, 432 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: I think that that would have been the bettert strategic 433 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: move because if anything, Shelby's clapback it doesn't really suit 434 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: her brand because her brand is about positivity and inclusivity, 435 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: and she slammed this twenty year old girl who really 436 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: didn't say that much about the mug, and doing so, 437 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: she's now ostracized herself from Sophia's large audience. At the 438 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: end of the day, though, I do want one of 439 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: those mugs, so maybe it has worked on some level. 440 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The best thing that Shelby could have done 441 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: is exactly what she did. Well, why does she delete 442 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: the video then, because she's probably copying so much. Well, 443 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: she's copy hate for a but everyone knows about her mugs. 444 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: And even though Sofa Dofa has a large following, a 445 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: lot of people who follow her might not necessarily be 446 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: die hard fans. A lot of conversation I've seen online 447 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: is about people saying I want one of those mugs, yeah, 448 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: but also a lot of people saying one hundred and 449 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars for remark they were never going to 450 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: buy the mug regardless, as we predicted several weeks back, 451 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro and Vera Wang are working together. So despite 452 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: Tammy revealing on her fiance Matt Sukowski's podcast that she's 453 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: already chosen her wedding dress, the finness influencer filmed her 454 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: experience at Vera Wang over the weekend. Now Tammy shared 455 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: a come try on Wedding Dresses with Me at Vera 456 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: Wang video to her Instagram feed, and at the time 457 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: of the recording, the video has over two million views. 458 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: She captioned the video felt like a real princess. Thank 459 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: you Vera Wang. I noticed that all her sisters were 460 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: wearing black outfits in the reel, so I wonder if 461 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: this is a bit of insight into what's to come 462 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: for the bridesmaid's dresses. Can you imagine when we were 463 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 1: looking for my bridal gown or yours if you were like, 464 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: you must wear the color of the bride dress, Like 465 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: it's so funny, but I definitely think it is a 466 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: clue that the bridesmaid dresses will be black. Yeah, but 467 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: this is their whole life, like content making is their career, 468 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: so exactly. Well, Tammy was also wearing a black robe 469 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: as she tried the gowns on, so there definitely is 470 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: a theme there. Now. She did change the content up 471 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: for TikTok. She filmed a video where she showed off 472 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: the wedding dresses her mum and sisters chose her to 473 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: try on. And I thought this was a really clever 474 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: move because it would be really hard to showcase the 475 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: gowns without showing the one that you've picked, and obviously 476 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: Tammy would want to keep that a secret, And I 477 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: thought it was really a clever way to drive engagement 478 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: because then people are commenting on which one they like 479 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: the most, what's kind of dresses? Like, what was her style? 480 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: They were very puffy and very princessy, which surprised me. 481 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: But I wonder if this is a ploy to get 482 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: us off the scent of what her dress actually looks like. 483 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: Because I would assume her style would be more of 484 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: a sleek, slim, fitter dress to show off her body. 485 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: I reckon she'll be one of the brides that wear 486 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: their hair up often. That's what you find with these 487 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: really sort of stunning influences, is they'll kind of pair 488 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: it back a bit with the hair and makeup. They'll 489 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: go super sleep See. I don't think so, because her 490 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: hair is quite short at the moment, so I think 491 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: that she could wear it down. But I suppose we'll 492 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: have to wait and see. I wasn't surprised to see 493 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: that this series of videos copped a lot of negative commentary, 494 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: and I do feel for Tammy and Matt in this 495 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: scenario because every time she shares something exciting or knew 496 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: about her relationship, the comments are just so mean. Yeah, 497 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: it is sad to see, but I think it's part 498 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: and parcel of being a big influencer these days, especially 499 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: on TikTok, because in order for a video to go viral, 500 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: you do kind of have to have those hate comments 501 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: as well. See the commentary was meaner actually on Instagram, 502 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: so someone wrote, why does it feel like so much 503 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: of this relationship is for the Graham another person said, 504 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: isn't it a bit weird that you've picked out wedding 505 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: dresses when you and your fier they haven't even lived 506 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: in the same city together yet. Like, as much as 507 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: I do think it is valid commentary, sometimes I think 508 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: if there's nothing nice to say, don't say it. Well, 509 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: Vera Wang seems to be killing it in the influencer 510 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: market because a few weeks ago we spoke about how 511 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: m Davies was also invited by the brand to try 512 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: on dresses, and on Sunday, Em revealed that she and 513 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: Lily Brown are about to finally say yes to her 514 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: reception dress. I love that it's yes to the reception dress. 515 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: It's like, of course I'm having more than one dress. 516 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: So they've both booked flights to Melbourne so Em can 517 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: try on the dress. She wrote, I haven't been able 518 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: to stop thinking about it since I saw it post 519 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: New York bride or Week in October, and that's a 520 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: huge sign for me, just a little bit of a 521 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: flex from the New York bride a week. She also 522 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: revealed that she is yet to even try on the 523 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: dress because it hasn't been released yet and it's not 524 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: going to be released for a while, so she said 525 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: she'll be trying on a sample. I'm very intrigued as 526 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: to what brand this is, because I don't think it's 527 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: Vera Wang. There's been a nough day in the Andre 528 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: Rebello murder trial. The former boyfriend and baby daddy of 529 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: Perth influencer Grace Episcopo is currently awaiting trial accused of 530 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: murdering his mother, Colleen Rebello. What's really interesting is we 531 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: got an insight into how the trial is going to 532 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: play out in October. So prosecutors have revealed that finances 533 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: will play a key part in evidence against Rebello. So 534 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: in court on Thursday, prosecutors claimed Rebello was very poor 535 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: at the time of the alleged murder, and they also 536 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: alleged his motive for killing his mum was to gain 537 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: access to her life insurance. I think what's most interesting 538 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: about this is it's clear that they can't rely on 539 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: forensic evidence because at the time of Colleen's death in 540 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: May twenty twenty, it was not actually treated as suspicious 541 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: and it was only two years later that homicide detectors 542 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: actually reopened this case and began investigating off the back 543 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: of fraud claims and allegations that Colleen's body was cremated 544 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: against her wishes. Well, prosecutors also revealed that they are 545 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: in the process of gathering evidence about Rebello's financial situation 546 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: for the October trial. They said they're compiling iPhone records, 547 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: mobile phone data, and they also have a financial analyst 548 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: preparing a report for the trial. So it sounds like 549 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot coming out in October. 550 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: It just surprises me how long this whole process has 551 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: taken because he was arrested back in twenty twenty two, 552 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: and it is interesting to see how the reporting has 553 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: changed in regards to Graciepiscopo, so she was at the 554 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: center of a lot of the news articles. However, I 555 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: did find it interesting because the ABC were the only 556 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: publication to blur her face in a recent photo. I 557 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: wonder how she feels about being front and center, particularly 558 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: now that she's moved on with a new relationship. Well, unfortunately, 559 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: she's going to continue to be attached to Andre Rebello 560 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: because of the fact they share a sun Now. It 561 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: is important noting that Andre Rebello has continued to deny 562 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: he had anything to do with his mother's death and 563 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: falsifying documents. Interestingly, he appeared in court via a video 564 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: link from prison. It'll be interesting to see if he 565 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: actually faces questioning during this trial. I feel like you 566 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: have to surely, I think what everyone is wondering, if 567 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: Gracie Piscopo is going to show up. I'm guessing not 568 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: now that she has a new partner and has been 569 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: public with him. Well, I think that's all we've got 570 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: time for today. Thank you for listening to another episode 571 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: of Outspoken. If you did enjoy the show, please leave 572 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: us a five star review. 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