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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio is the opposition leader

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Speaker 1: Leah Fanochi Aro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Kadi and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, this situation in Alice Springs, it's one which

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Speaker 1: you and I have spoken about before. The Government has

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Speaker 1: outlined some of the measures that they're taking to sort

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Speaker 1: this issue out, but for many there seems to be

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Speaker 1: no improvement. What do you think could be happening in

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Speaker 1: Ala Springs right now to quell these concerns.

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Speaker 4: I think it requires the legislative change. The government's certainly

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Speaker 4: taking an approach of bringing people together to try and

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Speaker 4: have this holistic sort of approach, and that's one thing,

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Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, you have a

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Speaker 4: revolving door of bail happening and that.

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Speaker 3: Needs to be addressed.

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Speaker 4: There needs to be a legisative change like what we propose,

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Speaker 4: which would then see repeat offenders not being able to

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Speaker 4: get bail. We need to immediately ensure we've got immediate

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Speaker 4: consequences for offending, which you know government promise they'd be

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Speaker 4: doing mandatory community service. That's a policy of ours that

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Speaker 4: needs to happen. And we also think something like our

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Speaker 4: sentence to a skill training facility needs to be brought

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Speaker 4: in a meetiate that's essentially a detention facility for fourteen fifteen,

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Speaker 4: sixteen year old youths who have got serious levels of offending,

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Speaker 4: who need to be sentenced to learning a skill and

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Speaker 4: getting a job essentially.

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Speaker 1: I reckon that you could get any of that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing up and running though immediately. I mean legislative change,

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Speaker 1: for example, is something that will take some time and consultation.

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Speaker 4: I would think, no, we could do it really quickly.

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Speaker 4: I mean our legislation is already drafted, ready to go.

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Speaker 4: The government could just literally reverse some of the garbage

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Speaker 4: it's brought in over the last two years which has

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Speaker 4: watered down consequences for youth offenders. We sit in Parliament

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Speaker 4: in two weeks, Katie, in two weeks, the government could

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Speaker 4: bring in legislation, move it on urgency. We would support

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Speaker 4: urgency and it would be done.

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Speaker 2: What exactly would this legislation be.

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Speaker 4: We think it needs to target repeat offenders, so if

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Speaker 4: you have got multiple offenses, you don't get bailed. Because

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Speaker 4: what we know is that kids are being caught, they're

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Speaker 4: being released, they're going and committing more crimes. The police

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Speaker 4: are catching them again, they're being released on BAI. We

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Speaker 4: need to stop that. Side, will stop that continual victimization

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Speaker 4: of the community and make sure that people who are

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Speaker 4: living their life doing the right thing feel safe.

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Speaker 1: Leah. Then on the other hand, we've obviously got a

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Speaker 1: situation though. I mean last week on this show we

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Speaker 1: caught up with John Lawrence sc who had said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have got too many kids in don Dale.

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Speaker 1: It's not fit for purpose. We should be shutting it

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Speaker 1: down immediately, and that we should not have children going

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Speaker 1: into a facility like that. I mean, where do we

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Speaker 1: sort of find the ground where we're going to have

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Speaker 1: young people stop offending but you know, treated in a

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Speaker 1: way that everybody thinks it's humane. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and look, in a perfect world, no child will

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Speaker 4: go to jail. But what we have here is severe,

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Speaker 4: violent repeat offenders who are continuing to perpetrate crimes on everyday,

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Speaker 4: destroying their homes, forcing people to leave, attacking tourists. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is not okay. And yes, the government should have

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Speaker 4: built the new detention facility for youth years and years

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Speaker 4: and years ago. I mean that was an election commitment,

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Speaker 4: you know, when they were in opposition, Katie.

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Speaker 3: So it's a long time coming.

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Speaker 4: But ultimately, we have to put the rights of everyday

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Speaker 4: people above the rights of criminals. That's something we've been

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Speaker 4: abundantly clear about. And instead this government keys putting the

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Speaker 3: And this is where all of the problems are starting.

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Speaker 1: What about raising the age of criminal responsibility, because this

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Speaker 1: is something that was the recommendation of the Royal Commission.

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Speaker 1: It's something that does continuously get raised and it does

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Speaker 1: seem to be something that the government's committed to, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know that the public agrees.

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Speaker 3: Well they shouldn't agree. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

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Speaker 4: We vehemently oppose raising the age of criminal responsibility. But

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Speaker 4: right now, the current law is that if you're between

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Speaker 3: And as it is, we're seeing plenty of kids being turned.

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Speaker 4: Around while it's in straight back out that courtroom door,

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Speaker 4: you know, without any repercussions for their criminal activity. Now,

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Speaker 4: if we were to have raise the age of criminal responsibility,

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Speaker 4: it literally means we're further tying up the hands of

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden have twelve year olds absolved of

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Speaker 4: we should have less twelve year olds in prison. Well,

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Speaker 4: like I said, no one wants to see a twelve

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Speaker 4: they're continuing to ram raid steel cars, break into shops,

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Speaker 4: you know there needs to be a way to ensure

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Speaker 4: that that person is no longer a threat to the community.

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Speaker 2: Leah, let's not you know, let's not beat around the

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Speaker 2: bullsh here.

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Speaker 1: It's a massive call for a tourism body to come

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Speaker 1: out and say that things have reached crisis levels. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the very body which is trying to

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this is going to hinder tourism?

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Speaker 4: It absolutely does. We already know it does. I was

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Speaker 4: I meet with Tourism Central Australia, it's the number one

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Speaker 4: doors and boarded up windows. It's impacting people's ability to

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Speaker 4: nomads saying, oh, don't stop in Tenant Creek, don't stop

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Speaker 4: in Alice Springs Park here. Even when I was in

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Speaker 4: to me that a lot of people who are on

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Speaker 4: because they're too scared to stay there overnight. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is debilitating for this town.

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Speaker 2: It is shocking.

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Speaker 1: And you know, look, I think that people have probably

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Speaker 1: reached the point as well. I mean they're probably listening

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Speaker 1: in Alice this morning and right around the territory and thinking,

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Speaker 1: we don't actually care what the government does, We don't

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Speaker 1: really care what the opposition sees.

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Speaker 2: We just want to see some change, Just do something.

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Speaker 1: Should we just drop the party lines here and both

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Speaker 3: We would be so happy to Katie.

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Speaker 4: We've brought several pieces of legislation into the Parliament to

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Speaker 4: try and address these crime issues which are just through

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Speaker 4: the roof. We've tried to create committees. We will participate

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Speaker 4: participate in. From our position. There's only seven, Katie, I've

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Speaker 4: got seven out of twenty five. There is an absolute

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Speaker 4: limit to what I can do. I need government to say, hey, Leah,

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Speaker 4: can you and your team put their heads together with

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Speaker 4: my team and come up with something.

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Speaker 1: You'd be prepared to see even like go back to

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Speaker 1: the drawing board when it comes to the legislation. You're

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Speaker 1: prepared to sit down with the government and try your

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and this is a thing.

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Speaker 4: Even with the legislation we've brought previously, Government have just

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Speaker 4: voted that down. Now they don't have to do that.

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Speaker 4: They could amend it, they could change it however they like.

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Speaker 4: Instead they just gun us down and replace our action

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Speaker 4: see change. I've got two members of parliament in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 4: one in ten in Kreeg. They are on the frontline

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Speaker 4: in those communities and it's not okay. You know, Catherine

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Speaker 4: Alice Springs to say enough is enough. And I genuinely

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Speaker 4: don't know what is going to be enough for this

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Speaker 4: government to take action, but we will keep fighting.

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Speaker 3: We will keep raising the concerns of the community.

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Speaker 4: We will always put the right of territories to be

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Speaker 4: safe above the right of the criminal.

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Speaker 1: All right, I do want to move along and talk

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Speaker 1: about this wage freeze. We know that teachers have overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: have to realistically offer a pay increase. How do you

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Speaker 1: think that this additional cost should be mitigated?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think we've got to stop the waste for

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Speaker 4: spending and the pet projects ultimately, but.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of after the fact. How do you think

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Speaker 1: that we go to com mitigate it. It but then

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Speaker 1: we are going to need substantial change to the budget,

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Speaker 2: So how would you mitigate it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I would be in this situation in the

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Speaker 4: spending could take place. You've also got to grow the economy.

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Speaker 4: We don't think now is a time for austerity. We've

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Speaker 4: got eleven percent inflation, fuel is through the roof. Things

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Speaker 4: now they're wondering, oh, geez, we don't have any money

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Speaker 4: to pay the public service. Well, you've had six years

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Speaker 4: to bugger everything up and now look where we're sitting.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, you've got to turn this ship around.

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Speaker 1: I think though, that there needs to be a review

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Speaker 4: Look, I know consultants is certainly something people talk to

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Speaker 4: outside and of course they're all things that you've got

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Speaker 4: being at the table for real way is growth. You know,

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Speaker 4: public servants are humans too, and they can sometimes be

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Speaker 1: This is the fact, though, that the public service continues

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Speaker 1: to grow despite the fact that the populations not sure.

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Speaker 4: And that's a separate issue. You know, should the public

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Speaker 4: that's not okay either. But punishing the people who go

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Speaker 4: government's own fiscal and economic mismanagement is not okay.

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Speaker 1: We don't I'm getting to though, is you know, and

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Speaker 1: this is some of the feedback that we get on

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Speaker 1: the tech line and also through callers, is that you know,

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Speaker 1: they understand what you're saying, that you can't waste money

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Speaker 1: and on things like grandstands and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: But we're in the situation.

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Speaker 1: That we're in now, and it's all well and good

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Speaker 2: You deal with that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got a ton of policies to immediately lift

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Speaker 4: So what are the levers government can pull? You know,

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Speaker 4: we've got an approvals fast tracked system which would see

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Speaker 4: That's going to allow private sector investment to flow in

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Speaker 4: ways in which we'd run the major project system. Of course,

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Speaker 1: You think that a decision like the one around Santos

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Speaker 1: like that then impacts the Northern Territory's ability to grow

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: There'll be a lot of the bigger players looking at that,

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Speaker 3: What might not have gone wrong.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously Santos they're appealing that decision, so who

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Speaker 3: We have a wealth of.

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Speaker 4: You know, COMSEC we've had fifteen consecutive quarters of being

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Speaker 4: I mean they're asleep at the wheel. They've got no

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's a really tough one.

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Speaker 1: Now it's going to be with this public service wage

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Speaker 2: It's an ongoing expense.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is, and we heard the unions basically

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Speaker 4: We're in term we're about to hit term four. People

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Speaker 3: I'm leaving.

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Speaker 4: I'm sick of crime, I'm sick of the cost of living,

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you. We know that petrol prices. Well,

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Speaker 1: that fuel excise is set to end tomorrow. Do you

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Speaker 4: And the reality is most territories never saw any drop

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was a ridiculous situation for us.

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Speaker 4: We're seeing these huge blowout in prices between the terminal

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Speaker 4: table right now, Katie, which is very exciting. Where putting

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Speaker 4: Triple C back in twenty seventeen and we're really hopeful

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Speaker 4: government support it, improve it, do something to send these

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Speaker 4: the Bowser.

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Speaker 2: All right, just finally a bit of good news.

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Speaker 1: We know that this Saturday there's got to be actually

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Speaker 1: a fantastic fundraiser.

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Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit more about us.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So eight trielve regiment out at Robertson Barracks. They're

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Speaker 4: going to run a pt session for a gold coin donation.

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Speaker 4: Then we're going to have upwards of one hundred military

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Speaker 3: To the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Always a sight to behold.

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Speaker 1: It is wonderful when it happens, and a big congratulations

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Speaker 1: and well done to them. Twenty eight thousand dollars already,

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Speaker 1: see if we can get somebody on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Lea Finocchiaro, the opposition leader, good to speak with you

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Take care,