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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are.

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Speaker 2: Amy Kate and Sophie Torba.

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Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions,

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Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things

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Speaker 1: reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is

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Speaker 1: so fetch Thank you, welcome back to Outspoken. Now, Kay,

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling you're a week in to having

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Speaker 1: your puppy Sonny. I feel like you're doing a bit

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Speaker 1: better than me. I couldn't even talk after a week

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Speaker 1: in having Arch. I was so tired.

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Speaker 2: Well, everyone warns you that it's going to be so hard,

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Speaker 2: so I was trying to prepare myself, but I was

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Speaker 2: just so excited to finally get her and give her

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Speaker 2: a cuddle that I hadn't really thought about all the

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Speaker 2: early mornings that were about to follow. And for anyone

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Speaker 2: that knows me, I hate getting up early, and this

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Speaker 2: week I've gotten up and stayed up. Well, I've had

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a nap since six am, and

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Speaker 2: that's a big achievement for me.

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Speaker 1: So I felt like there's a lot of people her like, oh,

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Speaker 1: shut up. I always get up at six am anyway. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's because you have had broken sleep though, so she's

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Speaker 1: been getting up every couple of hours. You have been

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Speaker 1: in a little bit of a grumpy mood this week,

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Speaker 1: I have to say, but look, I think I've been

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Speaker 1: dealing with it pretty well. And I'm so excited because

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Speaker 1: it seems like she's pretty much toilet trained. She is

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Speaker 1: super intelligent. She will cry and tell me that she

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Speaker 1: I feel like a very proud mum at the moment. Now.

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Speaker 1: It was all happening at the Turner's household on Sunday

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Speaker 1: night when you had Sonny, because it wasn't just her

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Speaker 1: arrival that you guys were celebrating, so it was literally crazy.

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Speaker 1: So Reese's brother Ryan, it was his birthday on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: so we had a birthday dinner for him. We also

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Speaker 1: that he had proposed with long term girlfriend Pip, and

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Speaker 1: we were just so ecstatic. It was pretty funny though,

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Speaker 1: because they revealed that they were actually listening to our

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Speaker 1: like we were kind of part of the proposal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan's like, do you think we can turn the

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited because even though it's your sister

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Speaker 1: another sister as well. I absolutely love Pip. Sending big

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Speaker 1: congratulations to Pip and Ryan such exciting news.

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Speaker 2: I know she's the absolute best, and you know she's

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Speaker 1: You can't rotin top two days in a row, and

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Speaker 1: you can only wear your hair in a ponytail once

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Speaker 2: And we only reachings are track pants on Fridays.

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Speaker 1: If you break any of these rules, you can't sit

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Speaker 1: with us so much. Nick and Rosalie Russian recently celebrated

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Speaker 1: the opening of their trendy new venue called bar Bambi

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Speaker 1: with a star started lineup of guests. However, the opening

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Speaker 1: the event and potentially spreading it to his famous friends Now,

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Speaker 1: off with who Nick Russian is?

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Speaker 2: So? Nick Russian is Melbourne's most prolific nightclub owner and entrepreneur.

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Speaker 2: So Nick ran popular nightclub Eve Bar, where he rubbed

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Speaker 2: before selling the venue in twenty fifteen. So Nick also

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Speaker 2: And in twenty twenty people might remember that he ran

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Speaker 2: because Nick rose to fame on reality TV show Temptation

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Speaker 2: four couples were dropped on a Fijian island and were

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Speaker 2: can you tell us more about Nick Russian's wife, Rosalie?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Nick is married to Rosalie Russian, who used

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Speaker 1: he proposed on the Amafi Coast, and they now have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that they're still together and going strong. Now,

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago. So Nick and Rosalie celebrated the opening

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Speaker 1: Nick wore a black Gucci suit, which retails for over

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Speaker 1: So this is probably not the best pr for them

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Speaker 1: very glitzy event. So this all came about because Luke

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Speaker 1: And beck Lomes is another influencer who has got COVID

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Speaker 1: It's really great news because Beck is actually COVID free now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I could love Laura anymore. This is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: The extravagant proposal included a yacht, roses and help from

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Speaker 2: a lot of conversations around people feeling sorry for them

434
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 2: because their dad, Rhys Hawkins, has gone off to the

435
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: US with his new wife London and their son. But

436
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: it makes me so happy to see that they have

437
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: got this father figure in Matt Paul, and I feel

438
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: like there's been a lot of times where Tammy has

439
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: praised Matt for taking on her kids as his own,

440
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: and you can really see this with the proposal. What

441
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 2: did you think about them recording the proposal because at

442
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: first I was like, oh, because I thought maybe it

443
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: wasn't such a big surprise for Tammy, particularly if there's

444
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: like a professional camera crew around you. But then again,

445
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: Instagram is her profession, and there are so many ways

446
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 2: that he could have tricked her. Why cameras were there?

447
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't have an issue with it at all,

448
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: even as an everyday person. Personally, I would really like

449
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 1: to have my future proposal filmed or some photographer there

450
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 1: to take photos because it's such a special moment. And

451
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, because it is a surprise generally most women,

452
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, and because it is generally a surprise for

453
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: most people when they are getting proposed to, you kind

454
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: of you probably completely black out and forget what's going

455
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: on and you don't remember what was said. So to

456
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: be able to watch it back and show your family

457
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: that special moment, I think it's fantastic. I don't think

458
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Speaker 1: it ruined the surprise at all. As you say, Kate,

459
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: they're a pretty extra family. They've got a camera crew

460
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: who's been following them around for the hanging with the

461
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: Hembro show. Maybe she just thought they were filming for that.

462
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Speaker 2: That's actually a good point. I feel like filming may

463
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 2: have already wrapped on that, but wouldn't it be great

464
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: if we do get more of an insight into what happened.

465
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Speaker 2: I do agree with you, though. I'm really glad that

466
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: Amy Porter camera out at my housewarming to capture when

467
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: Ree's proposed, because you are really in your head in

468
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 2: that moment, and it's so nice to go and watch

469
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 2: it back.

470
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Speaker 1: I also think that men should be taking some notes

471
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: at this proposal, because I think he did so well.

472
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: There are actually businesses. Did you know this, Kate? There

473
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: are a business says who planned proposals for men. I

474
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: wonder if he got a little bit of help, or

475
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: the fact that Temp Tammy has so many sisters. I

476
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: wonder if they weighed in on helping select the ring

477
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: or the location.

478
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well perhaps because Tammy's family were waiting on the

479
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 2: dock to celebrate with the couple, so the yacht made

480
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: a little detour and picked up the sisters. And I

481
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 2: think that was a really nice touch because I've spoken

482
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: to a lot of people recently about proposals after getting

483
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: engaged myself, and a lot of people say, after the moment,

484
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: you kind of don't know what to do, and it's

485
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: really nice to celebrate with a whole bunch of people.

486
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: And they certainly did celebrate. There was lots of bottles

487
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: of Muwei and also a big grazing platter.

488
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: I feel like we've were to talk about the engagement ring.

489
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: It's all women are talking about at the moment. He

490
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: did such a good job with it. Oh, it's stunning.

491
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: I really love it. So for those who haven't seen it,

492
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: it's an oval cut diamond which is surrounded by a

493
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: band of round and oval cut diamonds and it is

494
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: actually called the head oval heels engage a ring, which

495
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: I felt was a pretty good pun. So Matt had

496
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: the ring does by Almands, which seems to be a

497
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: bit of a jeweler to the influencers. I've noticed that

498
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: Shane Grimman is often promoting them, and they seem to

499
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: be popular with the Hembro family. So Amy Henbro had

500
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: her engagement ring designed by the jeweler, and Emily also

501
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: has a few pieces from there. Tammy also has.

502
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: A diamond necklace from Almonds, which makes me think did

503
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: Tammy push him in the right direction or did Matt

504
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: think of this himself.

505
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Speaker 1: I think it's more of a case that Matt has

506
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: gone to her sisters and said, hey, what sort of

507
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: jury does she like? My other theory is that is

508
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: there some sort of potential sponsorship opportunity here was some

509
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: of the ring gifted so she would post about it

510
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: on her stories.

511
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: Well it's interesting you say that because the jeweler did

512
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: an interview with the Daily Mail, which seems a bit strange,

513
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: and he claims that they were having over one hundred

514
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: customers call them every day inquiring about the ring. I

515
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: found this point kind of interesting because I would assume

516
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: males and normally the people that ring up jewelers to

517
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: inquire a engagement rings. Do you think people actually are

518
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: wanting to buy the ring? Or there are some nosy

519
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: people that are trying to work out how much it costs.

520
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I kind of have to disagree, okay,

521
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: because I feel like women will tell men what they want.

522
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: You know, there were so many probably women sitting on

523
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: the weekend saying, oh, look look at their ring. I

524
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: really like this, and then the men are probably thinking, fuck,

525
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to find out where to get

526
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: this ring from. So I think it is a case

527
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: of women pushing men in the right direction. I mean,

528
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: my boyfriend has been known to troll through my Instagram

529
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: and see the people that I'm following and whose style

530
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: I like, and pick presents out for me in that way.

531
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: So there are some men who are well trained like that.

532
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: So are you going to go like a picture of

533
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro's engagement ring to drop a hint? Oh? I mean,

534
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: I do love the ring, but I think that i'd

535
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: want my own ring. I wouldn't want to do like

536
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: a pure copy of someone's ring, because I mean, it

537
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: is very signature Tammy Hembro. I also don't know if

538
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: Brandon could necessarily afford that ring. Yeah, we're talking about

539
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: the price.

540
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: While the jeweler didn't disclose the actual cost of the

541
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: ring when you have a little sneaky look. On the

542
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: Aarman's website, there is a ring that is very similar

543
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: that is priced at thirty thousand, seven hundred dollars and

544
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: that is based on the center diamond being two carrots. Now,

545
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about diamonds, but I would say

546
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: that Tammy's ring was at least two carrots well.

547
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: Also, the jewels around it in the band were quite

548
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: large as well, so I would I think it would

549
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: be a lot more than that thirty thousand dollar mark.

550
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: So in terms of Matt meeting with the jeweler and

551
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: putting in a bit of a request, apparently the jeweler

552
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: said that he asked for something that would suit and

553
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: compliment Tammy's finger. Now I would find it hard to

554
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: believe that that's actually what Matt said. It seems like

555
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 2: a bit of spin there. But apparently they decided to

556
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 2: go with a quirkier design that would be more unique

557
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: with the hope that Tammy would fall in love with it,

558
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: and it seems like she really has because she has

559
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: been posting a lot of pictures on Instagram saying she

560
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: can't stop staring at it, and I really don't blame her. Now,

561
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: the jeweler said that Matt chose the design because you

562
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: wanted something nice and big that catches people's attention. It

563
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: certainly has done that. Do you think that Matt would

564
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: be feeling a lot of pressure to pick the perfect

565
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: ring for Instagram?

566
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: One hundred percent? Look at her career. The whole proposal

567
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: was very Instagram based, very esthetic. Then again, I feel

568
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: like there is pressure on all boyfriends at the moment

569
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: to get a grand proposal. I mean, you know, everyday

570
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: people feel like they've got to keep up with the

571
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: Joneses as well, and especially when you are seeing content

572
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: like Tammy Hembro's proposal and Instagram feeds, there is pressure

573
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: on everyone, not just boyfriends of Instagram. I think, oh,

574
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: you're exactly right.

575
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: It's also the same with weddings, like everyone sees Instagram

576
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: weddings and think, oh, well, I have to do the same,

577
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: And there's massive price tags attached to those sorts of

578
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: things that you know, normal people can't actually afford, whereas

579
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: a lot of influencers would be gifted a lot of

580
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: these things. I'm not saying Matt was gifted the ring,

581
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: but you just don't know what deals are going on

582
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: behind closed doors.

583
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: I found it pretty risky because Matt couldn't actually visit

584
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: Almonds in Sydney because that's where they're based, so he

585
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: had to do all of the consultations over the phone,

586
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: so he didn't see the ring before it was shipped

587
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: to Queensland due to all the border restrictions. Can you

588
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: imagine that nerve wracking moment when you open the ring?

589
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: Imagine if you hated it, Yeah, you'd be a little

590
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: bit too far gone. Also, I'm assuming that the jeweler

591
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: had Tammy's finger size.

592
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what you call it on file, because

593
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: imagine if you got that wrong. Because a lot of times,

594
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: I mean, my engagement ring had to be resized and

595
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: obviously that was a long process, but if you had

596
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: diamonds all along the band, I feel like that would

597
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: be a very costly.

598
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Exercise to get it resized. Now there are some rumors

599
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: flying around with people speculating that maybe baby number three

600
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: for Tammy is on the way, because she recently discussed

601
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: how she really wants more children in her life. And

602
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, as much as I think that that would

603
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: be obviously foundastic news I do hate the fact that

604
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: people always speculate, oh, why has this proposal taken place? Like,

605
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: let's just let them be happy.

606
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the same thing. I think it's a

607
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: little bit off when people were like, oh, hang on,

608
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: why has this happened? I mean, I suppose in the

609
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: scheme of things, Tammy and Matt only went public with

610
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: their relationship in September twenty twenty, so it seems like

611
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: it has come about really quickly. But I feel like

612
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: when you get to a certain age, she becomes clear

613
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: who you really want to be with. I mean, Tammy's

614
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: been engaged before, to RaSE Hawkins, and it seems like

615
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: Matt has just swept her off her feet. And I think,

616
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: good on them. Let's just congratulate them and see what happens.

617
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: And God, you're here.

618
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: Where have you been, bitch? Where have your bloody been?

619
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: Entrepreneur and former Mummy blogger Sophie Kasha has taken aim

620
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: at a long term customer for supposedly talking badly about

621
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 2: her and what she calls toxic Facebook groups.

622
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: So what happened, that's right? So what actually happened was

623
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: so one of Sophie's customers is in our group and

624
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: she made a post in our Facebook community saying that

625
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: she had always been a fan of Sophie, but after

626
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: the recent Insta story she had shared, it had really

627
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: put her off Sophie. So this customer then proceeded to

628
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: share a screenshot of Sophie's Instagram story, where she shared

629
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: a selfie of herself smirking and wrote, when my team

630
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: informed me that a girl who openly bags me constantly

631
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: in those toxic Facebook groups is also one of our

632
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: main customers wearing and tagging our pajamas on her Instagram

633
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: thank you for shopping with Kasha. Have a lovely day.

634
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: Do better, girlfriend, Do better Now. It appears that Sophie

635
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: was in fact talking about this customer in our Facebook community,

636
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: because the customer then shared a screenshot showing that Sophie

637
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: had trawled back through a year's worth of her photos

638
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: to like every single photo where she was wearing Kysha pajamas.

639
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: She then wrote a comment under one of the photos

640
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: and wrote, nice pjs, love Gosh.

641
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: To me, that seems incredibly passive aggressive.

642
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of sending a message that I'm aware

643
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: of you. I'm keeping up to date with what you're

644
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: doing and It's also a little bit threatening in a

645
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: way because I feel like so many influencers these days

646
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: are so quick to screenshot names of people that disagree

647
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: with them and then publicly shame them on their big platforms.

648
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: I do feel like sophi'schosen her words pretty carefully, though,

649
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: because if you saw that comment, you probably would have

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Speaker 1: thought she was being genuine if you didn't know the backstory.

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Speaker 1: And just to put it into context, the customer who

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Speaker 1: posted in our Facebook community, she says that she only

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Speaker 1: made one offhand comment about Sophie and it was in

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Speaker 1: relation to the sponsorship she was doing with mea Plusi's

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Speaker 1: brand slick Stick. So she said that it seemed to

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Speaker 1: contradict Sophie's messaging because Sophie owns a hairdressing salon called Boder.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was like a completely valid point to

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Speaker 1: be making. That just blows my mind because that comment

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Speaker 1: isn't bulling, it's not nasty. It's literally just discussing a

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Speaker 1: business strategy of Sophie's, which is something that our podcast

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Speaker 1: group does a lot. We love to talk about influencer culture,

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Speaker 1: and it is really interesting when someone who owns a

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Speaker 1: hairdressing salon then spooks a cheap hair product from Coals.

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Speaker 1: That's right, okay, because this customer didn't personally attack Sophie

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Speaker 1: or abuse her in any way. She simply didn't agree

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Speaker 1: with the sponsorship that she was doing. And I think

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Speaker 1: that people are allowed to critique something that you're doing

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Speaker 1: or discuss something that you're doing without hating you. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just think it's so ridiculous. But also, is this

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Speaker 1: not biting the hand that feeds you. I mean, Sophie

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Speaker 1: might think, oh, this is just one customer, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't set a very good image for Sophie that

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Speaker 1: she's willing to personally call out someone else that has

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Speaker 1: actually bought product from her, that person is helping pay

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Speaker 1: your bills. And then in turn, this customer's come out

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Speaker 1: and said, oh wow, I really liked you, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to buy your products anymore, and that starts

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Speaker 1: a ripple effect. And to be honest, it doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like Sophie Kesha has the best reputation at the moment.

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Speaker 1: And I can understand why if she's going out of

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Speaker 1: her way to call her fans out in such a

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Speaker 1: public way, it.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't make me want to buy her pajamas.

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Speaker 1: No, and that's a thing. You can still like something

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Speaker 1: like a product like pajamas and not necessarily agree with

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Speaker 1: the choices that the owner makes down the track about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know that I've brought influencers brands in

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Speaker 1: the past and now I didn't particularly agree or align

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Speaker 1: myself with their values. And whilst I still may occasionally

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Speaker 1: wear their clothes around the house, there is this essence of, well,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to throw something out. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty bad for the environment. If we just start disposing

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Speaker 1: of all of the influencer products, we've probably got no purchased.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, I've actually heard really good things

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Speaker 1: online about Sophie Keisha's pajamas. So as you said, you

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Speaker 1: can like the product but not particularly be a fan

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Speaker 1: of the person. I mean, I'm having that experience at

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Speaker 1: the moment because I've used Sarah's Day's deoda for two

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Speaker 1: years now and obviously more recently. I don't agree with

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Speaker 1: a lot of the things she puts out on her platform,

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Speaker 1: so her stance on certain things, but I still use

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Speaker 1: her deodorant. Well, I think that's all we have time for.

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