WEBVTT - Would You Ever Waffle Stomp In The Shower? 💩

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<v Speaker 1>The Flex and Rooms Daily Podcast, brought to you by China.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>My very much wish is that if you're listening to this,

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<v Speaker 3>it's because somebody who has a crush on you sent

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<v Speaker 3>it to you. They got the link from whatever streaming

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<v Speaker 3>service they're on, did a little copy and paste and

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<v Speaker 3>put in your Instagram DM signing the chain man. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to show you these really two these

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<v Speaker 3>two really cool girls. I think they talk about really

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<v Speaker 3>interesting stuff that you'd like. They talk about pop culture, news, love, relationships, gossip,

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<v Speaker 3>and a little bit of poo chat. Depending on who

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<v Speaker 3>you are, you'll like that. I'll love it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think you should listen to them because what we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be talking about today is DMS DM slide etiquette,

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<v Speaker 3>and especially what DM slide etiquette looks like when you

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<v Speaker 3>own your late twenties, which is what we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We like to be allegedly, Yeah, agly twenty four. Realistically

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would. I could give twenty three all

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<v Speaker 1>in favors, say I why damn? Yeah? You just okay?

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<v Speaker 1>What about twenty five?

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<v Speaker 3>No, you're hard thirty in my eyes, no way, twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm social. You're giving twenty four in real

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<v Speaker 1>life anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>She will's laughing. Will She's just laughing like it's true. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm usual.

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<v Speaker 3>I said this before, but people on the internet that

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<v Speaker 3>don't know me, like on YouTube, will go, why does

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<v Speaker 3>this chick look twenty and sixty at the same time?

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<v Speaker 1>It's only because you're a white babe?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it because no one else gets my treatment? What

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<v Speaker 3>is it about my face?

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<v Speaker 1>Not in this hair?

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, it's the short hair. It's a Karen esque

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<v Speaker 3>Karen adjacent hairstyle.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sorry they said that to you, babe.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fine. Let's get to it. Flex and frooms. So

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<v Speaker 3>I have a message from somebody. It is about their fiance.

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<v Speaker 3>Their fiance does something that they're not very pleased with,

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<v Speaker 3>and I want to know if you think what they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing is wrong. Okay, my fiance poops in the shower

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<v Speaker 3>and stumps it down the drain. Not a joke. She

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<v Speaker 3>recently told me this, and I've been living with it

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<v Speaker 3>for a few weeks now. Oh, she even broke the

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<v Speaker 3>news to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait wait wait wait no, no, no, So this

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<v Speaker 1>is the man fiance is saying his woman fiance is

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<v Speaker 1>the pooh stumper.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why is that worse. I think that's sexist.

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<v Speaker 1>It is okay for good reason.

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<v Speaker 3>She even broke the news to me while laughing about it.

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<v Speaker 3>She goes, you know what a waffle stump is? She

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<v Speaker 3>asked me, as she laughed and laughed. She laughed so

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<v Speaker 3>hard she started crying rumies. I felt disgusted and betrayed.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even look at her over breakfast anymore before

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<v Speaker 3>I head to work, And while at work, all I

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<v Speaker 3>can do is man as to myself. Is she doing

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<v Speaker 3>it right now? Apparently this has been going on for years,

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<v Speaker 3>she said. She uses all the scented candles she obsessively

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<v Speaker 3>buys online to mask the smell. I worked twelve to

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen hour days, so plenty of time for her to

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<v Speaker 3>cover her pooh stink. A few times we've had to

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<v Speaker 3>snake the drain due to a clog. Now I know

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<v Speaker 3>why I'm not try I can live this life anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, I understand. I don't know why this isn't so

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<v Speaker 1>scary to you like I as I ate, I'm finding

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<v Speaker 1>out too much stuff about the world, and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make it makes me fearful what fle stompers could be

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<v Speaker 1>in and amongst us, everyone the way you're laughing. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not foreign to you. The fact that you can

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<v Speaker 1>even conceptualize what that looks like. I have to try.

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<v Speaker 1>You'm just gonna have that sensation anyway. I just think

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<v Speaker 1>this is the most terrifying thing I've ever heard of,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've read some real cooked stuff in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that gets me is, like, let's say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>happens once or twice, you couldn't help yourself. I understand, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a hand up from Ruby. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>that was I can confirm it, so I understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>But now it's something that she does regularly, so much

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<v Speaker 1>so that she has a whole system in place, like

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<v Speaker 1>she's bought She's got now a candle addiction to compensate

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<v Speaker 1>for the wasting smell of pushing feces down the drain,

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<v Speaker 1>like and I can imagine there must be so much

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<v Speaker 1>excess poop attached to the sides of the drain because

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<v Speaker 1>the flow from the shower is trickling.

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<v Speaker 3>It's trickling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the powerful flush of a toilet, so it's lingering.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not happy about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my defense for her, coming straight from through me

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<v Speaker 3>sycrepiance is like the shower. You then put sense down

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<v Speaker 3>the shower like you're doing your shampoo. You're doing a conditioner,

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<v Speaker 3>you're a shaving lotion.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not debto, it's not antibacterial.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I have done this before, not out of desire

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<v Speaker 3>to want to do it, but from sickness. I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>the shower, I'm vomiting. The pooh comes it started, I

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<v Speaker 3>have to push it down. There's no way, how like,

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<v Speaker 3>what am I supposed to do? Get out of the shower.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm dripping wet, it's coming. Sit on the toilet, dripping wet.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Nah, you're in the shower, not in my recent house,

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<v Speaker 3>the one before.

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair, it's like, remember when you were tell

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<v Speaker 1>me you vomited cocktail Frank quotes into the sink, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, but why, because now you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>press them down to the drain. Was I not a

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<v Speaker 1>toilet for you?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't do that toilets freak me out, is all

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say. I don't like the idea that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing it where other people have done it, so

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<v Speaker 3>therefore I do it elsewhere. Okay, I will no longer

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<v Speaker 3>incriminate myself because I have a history, a storied history

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<v Speaker 3>of doing things outside of bathrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just I cannot. I really feel for him,

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<v Speaker 1>because as for me, I would I would really struggle

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Like I'm even stuttering.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just gross.

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<v Speaker 1>And I again again, I empathize with people who've been

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<v Speaker 1>in situations where it's necessary, and I think if I

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<v Speaker 1>had to justify it, because you know, a great debate

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<v Speaker 1>considers both angles, I guess showering straight after is very

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<v Speaker 1>is a good thing for me. I don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that when you like, toilet paper should be moist

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<v Speaker 1>so it can really get into the crevices. Why are

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<v Speaker 1>we trying to clean with just some dry like imagine

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<v Speaker 1>if you spilt something on your countertop and just wiped

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<v Speaker 1>it up and then left the rend like. It just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make me sense. However, I don't like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember never flush wet wipes down the drain.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't flush webs weteps. What I do, let

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<v Speaker 1>me know.

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<v Speaker 3>This is flex and frooms.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not often that I come with a dilemma,

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<v Speaker 1>not one that's rooted in reality. Anyway, I like to

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<v Speaker 1>think about abstract concepts. I don't like to think about

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<v Speaker 1>like real life from that way, and if I do,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a quick thought and an action, so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to think about it again. Okay, but recently I

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<v Speaker 1>found myself in a little bit of a pickle. So

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened was I had found myself in and

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<v Speaker 1>around an attractive guy, one that interested me so much

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I have to do something about this. After

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<v Speaker 1>slide through anyway, So the initial meeting casual, casual humor

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<v Speaker 1>no at a place that cannot be named to not

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<v Speaker 1>identify a restaurant babes. Yeah, enough that this person is

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<v Speaker 1>like visually interested me enough that I'm like, I like

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<v Speaker 1>the outfit, I like the vibe. I want to do

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<v Speaker 1>something with this, but I don't know what right, So

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<v Speaker 1>I decided I'm going to do a DM slide. And

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<v Speaker 1>we have spoken about before that, like five years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>The DM slide tactic was sending a flower emoji. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>why because it's it's neutral, good, it's positive and friendly,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it sparks the conversation for someone who's mutually interested,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they're not, they'll be polite, or they'll ignore you,

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<v Speaker 1>or they're like, what are you talking about? You know what?

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<v Speaker 1>People who get it get it right, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>She's old.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm older. She's a lady. To be right, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>allocate so much time for the like the banter and

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<v Speaker 1>the directionless conversation. I just need to know that's my

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<v Speaker 1>cron troll ISS's coming through. I'm like, is it a vibe?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it not a vibe? You know whatever? But then

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait a second, I'm having a secondary issue.

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<v Speaker 1>My secondary issue is that I no longer want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a what do you call them? An aggressor. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be the person who's like I am,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pursuing someone. I picked them, I chose them. I've

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<v Speaker 1>done that. That's like we did that. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a damsel, yes, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I want to just like kind of like loosely set

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<v Speaker 1>things up and be like you know, just like heart

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<v Speaker 1>and cute and like at the helm of somebody else's

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<v Speaker 1>effort and also somebody else's steaks, Like the steaks need

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<v Speaker 1>to be higher for them than me. Too many things

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<v Speaker 1>to consider. So I did a round table at a

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant that I was at, not with strangers, basically half

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<v Speaker 1>a strangers, but from me and I were at this

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<v Speaker 1>like dinner but through mere the left, so you'd a

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<v Speaker 1>round tablested what would you all do? And the advice

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<v Speaker 1>ranged from oh, just like reply to an Instagram story,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just like what if they don't post Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>stories that often, you know what I mean? Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>taking too much time, And then somebody else was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>just ask them out, Like Nope, we're in the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>era for that, babe, We're in the wrong era. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to set something up, you know, set something up.

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<v Speaker 1>So after about an hour of consultation, we didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>get anywhere. So I'm bringing this to you for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what you think adult women date

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<v Speaker 1>men I e. Mixed Flexiana should and would do because

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<v Speaker 1>I already did it, but I want I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you think I should have approached it.

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<v Speaker 3>Has it worked?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? Well, well wait a second, let me give a

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<v Speaker 1>plot twist. I got bored and I saw too much

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<v Speaker 1>not too much, I think, how do I explain it?

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<v Speaker 1>I got distracted a splendor. I was like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not what I want. Then I just got like it

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<v Speaker 1>was just no longer fun anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, just give me the context, like you follow

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<v Speaker 3>each other.

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<v Speaker 1>We were strangers. I just assessed him in a room

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<v Speaker 1>and said I liked that one. Okay, can I just

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<v Speaker 1>was it like a cafe. I will tell you the

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<v Speaker 1>full story afterwards. You don't, you do not need that.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter. You know, you're just forgotten anyway. So

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<v Speaker 1>I had assessed this person in a room.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to know. It's not like a work

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<v Speaker 3>setting or something inappropriate babes.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I sussed. I said I want that one please,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I realized, like, we're just not in environment,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can just have that one, like you need

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<v Speaker 1>to like graft? Yes, yeah, I was like, okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>how do I graft if my only access to this

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<v Speaker 1>person is now their Instagram? Like, we don't for what

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<v Speaker 1>I know, running the same secle. I'n't have seen you before.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not just gonna run into you. We don't have

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<v Speaker 1>mutual friends. I just need to lock it in ands up.

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<v Speaker 1>So all I had to me was a DM slide

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<v Speaker 1>after a follow, naturally.

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<v Speaker 3>A mutual follow, mutual follow, mutual follow, Okay, as soon

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<v Speaker 3>as the mutual follow occurs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, one might say that, but here's what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>The mutual follow is like a stalemate. Yeah, because one

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<v Speaker 1>person follows, you take the risk. Everyone just has to

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<v Speaker 1>follow back, just respond to the initial risk taken. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing much there to stalemate. Then one person can do them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the three liking the three photos. It's so boring. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go straight to the DM. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go in. But my issue is because I'm doing damnsel.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be the aggressor. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you out. Maybe it's not twenty eighteen I

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<v Speaker 1>did that. I want to do some fresh see.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you've gotten yourself into a trap because

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<v Speaker 3>exactly people expect you to do that exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So then as I was thinking about what I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>then I was like, doesn't matter, I'm over it. But

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<v Speaker 1>then they posted a story. I said, this is perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>this is exactly what I need. Look through the story

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, okay, get what's happening here. You are

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<v Speaker 1>like a capital C creative archetype, Like you are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to post a picture of yourself ever, It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be like creative inspiration. So I'm like, there's not

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<v Speaker 1>much to say here, Like you've posted a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>a gradient background a spoon, like like the sky with

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<v Speaker 1>a branch. I can't work with.

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<v Speaker 3>This lines like buildings with lots of.

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<v Speaker 1>Lines really like Jesus helped me anyway. So then they

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<v Speaker 1>end up posting like this cute illustration of like cats

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<v Speaker 1>or something like finally we can do something with this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said something like, oh my god, that's so cute,

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<v Speaker 1>like adorable. I'm obsessed. Yeah, I can do that anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Benny starts talking about screen printing and he's like and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, he wants your advice, but no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was like creative validation almost. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh you really think so, Like I took a photo

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<v Speaker 1>of it because like I've got inspiration for this and

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<v Speaker 1>like something something like it'd be great screen printed. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, this is so like it had already

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<v Speaker 1>gone down a really specific path. And I'm just like

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<v Speaker 1>not that I don't care, but you're a capital C creative.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like a lowercase C creative. Whatever conversation we have

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna escalate, and I just don't care that much. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we were having this like back and forth, small

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<v Speaker 1>top conversation, and then I went to splendor with no reception.

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<v Speaker 1>I came back and then I looked at this story

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<v Speaker 1>again and I'm like, it's just it's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>You've cooled off. It's a cooling because.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked the in person vibe when I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>any context, and that's not real, like when I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to project onto them, like what the vibe was.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I have the vibe. Don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>People take, but my point remains.

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<v Speaker 1>When I'd asked other people around, like none of them

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<v Speaker 1>had a good approach to the DM slide, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be living in an ever increasingly virtual society

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<v Speaker 1>where we should have these tactics on lock.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Instagram did a lot when it brought in

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<v Speaker 3>the reacts that are beyond the fire react yes or

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<v Speaker 3>beyond just the like yes, i think you've got to

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<v Speaker 3>be shameless.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like I'm so bored of that.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the things like, so you need to get

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<v Speaker 3>over any ego that you might have, be shameless in

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning, and then hoodwink and make them do the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of the work you have to because you have

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<v Speaker 3>the bold I don't have to have to, like in

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<v Speaker 3>order for things to change.

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<v Speaker 1>One must do things differently.

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<v Speaker 3>But then what if no one comes, then so be it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's quite a nice attitude.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, because here's my thing when like the archetype

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<v Speaker 1>of who I date, right if I'm like, we all

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<v Speaker 1>know me, we all know the characteristics. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I date people who are used to like going with

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<v Speaker 1>the flow and like being agreeable and you know, being

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<v Speaker 1>almost like being a support role to the main event. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, that's not a partnership, that's a we're

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<v Speaker 1>on the flex train. I'm like, I'm trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>a team thing, trying to be a duo.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want a boy boss?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want a boy boss. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm going in this direction. You're like, okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna switch around my plans to do what you And I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what do you do? What are your goals? What

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<v Speaker 3>are your interests?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, let's do what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're gonna find your people.

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<v Speaker 1>It starts from like the very beginning, Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>in those early stages you build habits that turn out

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<v Speaker 1>to be foundations of your dynamic. So if in the

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<v Speaker 1>initial stages, then like what are you doing where are

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<v Speaker 1>we going. I'm gonna then like we're building patterns and traditions. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll find a middle ground somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited for this journey. I feel like you're really

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<v Speaker 3>putting yourself out there.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, like I've not been putting myself out there, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I get like we have conversations, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is coming up more in conversation. So I'm excited for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You're inspiring me. You inspired me to get a dating

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<v Speaker 3>app again, which will go through one day. It expires

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<v Speaker 3>in probably two days, and then I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>get it again. Pay But I put myself out there

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I look.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I'm sure there's like a whole subgroup of like

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<v Speaker 1>assertive girl bosses who like babes. I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>a dumbda and I want to I want the option.

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't I have options? Please?

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to flex and Frooms on Kta FLEXI again.

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<v Speaker 3>I was on TikTok. That's going to be the story

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<v Speaker 3>of my life there.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to kick back every time we say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Why Because I feel like I do so much TikTok converting.

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<v Speaker 1>Like on Instagram as well. I'm constantly spooking TikTok people like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I down wanted it because of you,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's nice to hear that I have natural influence.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm also like mmm.

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<v Speaker 3>Mmmm, I think they're going to come back at you

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<v Speaker 3>when they find out that all their data has been

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<v Speaker 3>mined allegedly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oo.

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<v Speaker 3>I came across you at TikTok and I thought it

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<v Speaker 3>would interest you. I'm gonna open it for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Why have I never seen an AI.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a man, It's a voice activated digital assistant. These

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<v Speaker 2>are crazy times for AI Personal assistance Siri, Krotana, Alexa V.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any reason you guys give them all female names, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised there isn't one just called mommy, Mommy, where's

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<v Speaker 2>the closest latte facts?

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<v Speaker 3>And he hadn't thought of that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I guess because I know AI can be gendered.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I'm speaking about AI, I'm speaking about like

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<v Speaker 1>the concept, not like Siri. But now I think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>this person is right like when you have a because

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<v Speaker 1>people say the floor with AIS that it's built by people,

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<v Speaker 1>namely men, and so all the biases that men have

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<v Speaker 1>in society or people, whatever will be transferred onto whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they build, because how can you separate yourself from who

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<v Speaker 1>you are and what you believe and that will naturally

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<v Speaker 1>go into what you create right with not anything, So

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<v Speaker 1>in this instance it's like wha yeah, hold on a second.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not surprised though.

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<v Speaker 1>Ex.

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<v Speaker 3>Machina someone it's called Mackina, but Makina she was a chick. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she was a chick. I think it makes sense because

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know, no, you know what. This really really

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<v Speaker 3>interests me because the other day I saw you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Jane from Glee, the really like the mean trainer woman

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<v Speaker 3>with the she as a person on her on her

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<v Speaker 3>Twitter wrote, can like female podcasters like lower their tone

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<v Speaker 3>because listening to high voices is really annoying. But then

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<v Speaker 3>on the other hand, all of the assistants are women,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm like there is some sort of divide. People

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<v Speaker 3>often say.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about this. Jane thinks the more

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<v Speaker 1>that you put that down, please, can women lower their tones?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we should put down.

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<v Speaker 3>On the one hand, women's voices are considered annoying, and

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<v Speaker 3>I remember growing up, Dad used to always say that

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<v Speaker 3>men say it women say it, I find as well.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, women are just more annoying to listen to.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember I told you about that women who got surgery

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<v Speaker 1>to deepen her voice because she was like, no one

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<v Speaker 1>takes me seriously?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, When did we start finding them annoying? And then

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<v Speaker 3>on the other hand, why is it that we want

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<v Speaker 3>subservient women? Like why do we want women voices? Traditionally

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<v Speaker 3>women voices as our ai. I believe it's because we

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<v Speaker 3>want to hear women's voices when they suit us, when

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing something for us. But we don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>hear women's voices when they are simply enjoying having enjoyment,

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<v Speaker 3>such as us. So if you're listening to this, eat it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to have someone who's built an ai

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<v Speaker 1>answer that question. Yeah, because part of me thinks it's

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<v Speaker 1>an oversight. You know how people talk about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>often when people talk about the way that men have

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<v Speaker 1>impacted women, it's not that they were intentionally trying to

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<v Speaker 1>create a society that doesn't work in your favor. Just

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<v Speaker 1>don't think about you. Sorry that the handles are too

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<v Speaker 1>high in trains. Didn't think you were that short, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry the kitchen countertops are too high. Didn't realize you

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<v Speaker 1>were little? Yes, things like that where it's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>not there, not considering what this looks like. To have

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<v Speaker 1>all the assistants be women.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally, I think though with that one, you would have

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<v Speaker 3>had to do a lot of research, like, because these

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<v Speaker 3>are products that are marketed, so someone's had to think, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>what does the general consensus want to listen to? Is

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<v Speaker 3>it a woman's voice?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I thought like studies have shown that the neutral

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<v Speaker 1>voice is a man. And when people think about what

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<v Speaker 1>is a voice, generally they think about a man's voice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I wonder if it changes when it's something

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<v Speaker 3>that serves you. Ooh, a genuine think.

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<v Speaker 1>So your as like, sorry, babe, I had a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at what the weather is.

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<v Speaker 3>Flick and firms.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to come bearing bad news. I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>love it, and yet you do, but I do every time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's my duty. Not everything can be positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we need to learn from other's mistakes, and in

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<v Speaker 1>this instance, during lockdown. Sometime I know, depending on what

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<v Speaker 1>country you're in, lockdown's a different point. But somewhere between

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty and twenty twenty two on TikTok in particular

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<v Speaker 1>due to the success of Bridgeton on Netflix. These two

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<v Speaker 1>songwriters and composers on TikTok decided that they thought that

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<v Speaker 1>Bridgetin would be amazing as a musical, Like it just

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<v Speaker 1>lent itself to that kind of you know, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of theater. They're like, Oh, these songs, like these people,

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<v Speaker 1>these themes would be a perfect musical. So these two creators,

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<v Speaker 1>Barlow and Bear, those are their surnames, because like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a professional, did like this twelve part online music. So

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.800
<v Speaker 1>they wrote songs for like all these key themes and

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<v Speaker 1>scenarios in the show, and people really resonated with it

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<v Speaker 1>because at the time, not so I people were have remembered,

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<v Speaker 1>but because of COVID and Lockdown, so many production houses

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<v Speaker 1>weren't actually releasing any new TV because they couldn't do

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<v Speaker 1>their regular release schedules. People can go to the cinemas,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Bridgington was one of the first and only

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<v Speaker 1>things that was released fresh on Netflix during lockdown, So

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people watched it and so by the

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<v Speaker 1>time I got to tick Up, we were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is amazing, we love this, it's so cool. It whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, Bilo and Bear, the

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<v Speaker 1>composers of bridget and the musical on TikTok, won a

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<v Speaker 1>Grammy the Best Musical Album. It skyrocketed them. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so much more than two young women doing some cool

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<v Speaker 1>social media content, and it was regarded as this really

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<v Speaker 1>crucial piece of music. And so very recently Bilo and

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<v Speaker 1>Bear decided that they wanted people to experience Bridgitton the

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<v Speaker 1>musical life because dancers would make you know, would compose

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<v Speaker 1>with like poreograph dance moves and like people were like

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<v Speaker 1>constructing set designs via TikTok, and everybody was feeding into

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative. It wasn't just the songs, it was everything

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<v Speaker 1>that had to do with the musical. So they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's bring this to the stage, Let's bring it to life.

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<v Speaker 1>So they did. They sold tickets and they brought this

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<v Speaker 1>live musical, took everything that happened on TikTok and put

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<v Speaker 1>it in the flesh, and it sold out. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, whoa, this is how creators activate. This is

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<v Speaker 1>how you take this like content that has quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>no value on this children's app and you make it

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<v Speaker 1>like a commercial success. Everybody was cheering, Yes, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a win. Then the creators of Bridgeton the Musical and

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok get sued by Netflix. Sued by Netflix, And you

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<v Speaker 1>might ask, why wait two years into this to sue them? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix argues that when TikTok the Musical was happening on TikTok,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't for commercial gain. They were using the likeness

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<v Speaker 1>and almost creating a parody, you know, in an organic way.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't infringing on copyright or anything. It was fair

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<v Speaker 1>game the moment they started profiting off it. No no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no no. How does it make you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>Bab oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I get it?

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<v Speaker 3>I get it in both ways. That's such a shame.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I think Netflix is kind of taking the

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<v Speaker 3>piss because them doing that on TikTok would have brought

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<v Speaker 3>so much more traffic to Bridgeton I think, like a

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<v Speaker 3>substantial amount.

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<v Speaker 1>So they should just convince you to watch it, though.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't say either, to be honest, I'm in a

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<v Speaker 3>little black hole of like any what I'm watching on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's a pity. I hope that they don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to pay much money to Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>One would say that, but then also they sold merch. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so then it's like damn, like it gets worth tickets merch.

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<v Speaker 1>They recorded the music, it's on streaming websites. And also

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<v Speaker 1>basically they're saying it like the Bridgeton the musical, the

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok Musical reflects all the creative and hard work of

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<v Speaker 1>the Netflix employees who created that show. So like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you made the songs, but there's no song without the

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<v Speaker 1>people who did it before you. So where is their cut?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is their profit? And also Netflix does own the

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive right to exploit Bridgeton in any ways. If they

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<v Speaker 1>want to make a song or a movie, they can.

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<v Speaker 1>They have the right and the soul right to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it feels like this is like way worse than

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<v Speaker 1>you could ever imagine, Like, oh, it's not good. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not good breath, it's not looking good. Pie. It's a pie,

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