Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influenza and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up. On today's show, Lucy Jackson
Speaker 1: and Nicki Wescott revealed what really happened when they reunited
Speaker 1: with Lilly Brown. Kate Cassidy gives first interview since boyfriend
Speaker 1: Liam Payne's death, and why Georgie Stephenson's dream house is
Speaker 1: on the market, but first. Mikayla Tester has revealed she's
Speaker 1: set to share the full story behind her experience with
Speaker 1: the Paul family on her new podcast, Kate, Can You
Speaker 1: tell Us More? Well? The news really contradicted her most
Speaker 1: recent statement that she would be moving forward legally, so
Speaker 1: last Wednesday, she wrote, Hi, guys, I did promise receipts.
Speaker 1: While going through and actually collecting them and reviewing them,
Speaker 1: I realized something very, very sinister was happening to me
Speaker 1: for many years. This is something the police should be seeing,
Speaker 1: not the Internet. Although at some stage I will be
Speaker 1: able to share my story in full, as I have
Speaker 1: shared every piece of my life with you all so far,
Speaker 1: I will have to delay. For now. I will be
Speaker 1: moving forward legally. The way it should be now. There
Speaker 1: was a bit of a backflip by Michayla on Friday,
Speaker 1: because she then shared a photo of a couch and
Speaker 1: a microphone and wrote, where I'm about to sit for
Speaker 1: the next two days, telling you all absolutely everything I've
Speaker 1: wanted to say that couldn't coming next week. She went
Speaker 1: on to say, not a single stone will be left unturned.
Speaker 1: This is my story, my experience, and my choice to
Speaker 1: share now. The podcast is called The Unsaid Podcast and
Speaker 1: at the time of recording, has one hundred and eight
Speaker 1: thousand followers. I'm sure the Paul family are looking on
Speaker 1: very nervously at this. I actually gasped when I saw
Speaker 1: Michayla's post. This was so unexpected, and when I clicked
Speaker 1: on her Instagram, it originally said that the podcast was
Speaker 1: going to be hosted by Michayla and Alisha Mackenzie. So
Speaker 1: Alisha is Michayla's friend and manager. Now it just says
Speaker 1: it's going to be hosted by Mikayla. I wonder if
Speaker 1: this is a legal decision, because if this does go
Speaker 1: to court for defamation, Mikayla will want to protect herself, obviously,
Speaker 1: but she might not want to fit the bill for
Speaker 1: a friend. I was really disappointed when I saw Mikayla's
Speaker 1: announcement pop up, because I thought it was really mature
Speaker 1: and a good move that she was going to take
Speaker 1: things offline. Well, a lot of people are now saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: did Mikayla originally call Anna pull out just to get
Speaker 1: attention for her new podcast. I don't actually think that
Speaker 1: that's the case, but it is an interesting move to
Speaker 1: bring the podcast out so soon after. I think the
Speaker 1: podcast is just sort of a one and done thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to continue to release episodes.
Speaker 1: I think she's just chosen this as a format to
Speaker 1: share her story. Really, I potentially think that this podcast
Speaker 1: had been in the works for quite some time because
Speaker 1: the photo was taken in a professional studio. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: Instagram had been set up, and Michayla's manager was going
Speaker 1: to co host with her. I think maybe she looked
Speaker 1: at the attention she was receiving and thought, well, now
Speaker 1: it's probably a good time to announce that I'm doing
Speaker 1: this podcast because I'm going to get mass exposure from views. Well,
Speaker 1: from a PR perspective, it is a pretty clever time
Speaker 1: when everyone is looking at your page. But that theory
Speaker 1: doesn't really make sense to me, because two days earlier
Speaker 1: she said that she was going to stop speaking about
Speaker 1: it because she was following it up legally. I think
Speaker 1: someone's just come to her and said you should do
Speaker 1: a podcast, and it's happened all pretty meganically. She also
Speaker 1: might have received legal advice that maybe the evidence she
Speaker 1: found wasn't enough for a potential prosecution. She's clearly lawyered up,
Speaker 1: and after the response Anna received from her video, I
Speaker 1: think that she's probably feeling very confident to keep talking.
Speaker 1: I hope that the podcast is focused more so on
Speaker 1: Atis than Anna. But a concept I talk about in
Speaker 1: the work that I teach is quantum leaping, So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a bit of a buzzword to in TikTok.
Speaker 1: It's like how to manifest and quantum leep. Influencer turned
Speaker 1: entrepreneur Georgie Stevenson has revealed her dream home is on
Speaker 1: the market in an unusual move. The multi level Hilltop
Speaker 1: mansion is listed for both sale and rent. Before we
Speaker 1: get into it amy, For those who are not familiar
Speaker 1: with Georgie, who is she?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Georgie is a successful entrepreneur who started out as a
Speaker 1: lawyer and influencer. She is close to four hundred thousand
Speaker 1: followers on Instagram and she co owns supplement brand Naked Harvest,
Speaker 1: as well as owning a mindset and manifestation course Meditation
Speaker 1: of Mindset, app, skincare brand and podcast, and at just
Speaker 1: thirty years of age, Georgie is a self proclaimed multi
Speaker 1: millionaire and is married to her long term partner Tim
Speaker 1: and together they have a three year old called Ivy. Now,
Speaker 1: this home that Georgie lives in is probably one of
Speaker 1: the most insane influencer houses I've ever seen. I'm curious,
Speaker 1: why is she moving out of it? Well, the crux
Speaker 1: of it is that the home isn't family friendly. So
Speaker 1: in a Q and A on an Instagram story, she
Speaker 1: revealed the exciting news that she is trying to have
Speaker 1: a second baby this year, and in making those plans,
Speaker 1: she's realized that a house isn't as child friendly as
Speaker 1: they would like for a newborn. So she wrote, it's
Speaker 1: the most incredible house, like it's my dream house, but
Speaker 1: also we realize maybe not the best in our current chapter.
Speaker 1: In an ideal world, we keep it rented out and
Speaker 1: move back in when the kid's older, But I don't know.
Speaker 1: See now, I had a squizz at this house on
Speaker 1: real estate dot Com. It is absolutely insane, but it's
Speaker 1: probably the least kid friendly house I've ever seen. So
Speaker 1: the main issue with the house is that it has
Speaker 1: six different levels. It does have an elevator though, which
Speaker 1: Georgie said is helpful.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: The house itself takes up four levels. Then there is
Speaker 1: a separate level for a self contained studio, and at
Speaker 1: the bottom is a backyard. And Georgie and Tim's bedroom
Speaker 1: is on the top level, while their daughter, Ivy's bedroom
Speaker 1: and the other bedrooms are on the third level. That
Speaker 1: must be real pain having to go down in the lift.
Speaker 1: That sounds like I'm taking the pits, But it would
Speaker 1: be a real issue having to go down a level
Speaker 1: to get to your daughter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, will.
Speaker 1: Georgie explained that she didn't like the thought of having
Speaker 1: to go down the stairs with a newborn, and they
Speaker 1: actually bought the house when Ivy started sleeping through the
Speaker 1: night and walking. However, she did say that if they
Speaker 1: want to go take her down to the backyard, it's
Speaker 1: down eighty steps, so she actually can't play unsupervised I
Speaker 1: want to know if they have someone working in the lift,
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day when it comes to be.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying this house is so op And
Speaker 1: on the second level we're going to Ivy's Plea, there's
Speaker 1: a six level house. I mean, it seems like they
Speaker 1: use it quite a bit. Well, I actually want to
Speaker 1: start manifesting after looking into some of these features of
Speaker 1: Georgie's house because she's onto something which I think it's
Speaker 1: the best influencer house I've seen. Step First Smith's family
Speaker 1: property is a close second, but this one takes the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this property is built on a hilltop next to
Speaker 1: a conservation reserve. It has the most incredible views of
Speaker 1: the Gold Coast skyline as well as the beach. And
Speaker 1: it's not a small property. It stretches over one thy
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty eight square meters. There are five bedrooms,
Speaker 1: five bathrooms, and infinity pool, spa gym, outdoor kitchen, as
Speaker 1: well as you mentioned Kate the self contained studio. Where
Speaker 1: do we sign up to Georgie Stevenson's manifestation course. The
Speaker 1: one feature that I couldn't get over was there is
Speaker 1: this really strange toilet in the middle of the living room,
Speaker 1: so it isn't it is encased in this stone cylinder,
Speaker 1: but it's just sort of randomly in the middle. And
Speaker 1: touring a mini house tour Georgie recorded back when they
Speaker 1: first moved in, she said, it's a little round toilet
Speaker 1: in the middle of the room, so random. We love that.
Speaker 1: That's probably the most kid friendly thing there, just having
Speaker 1: a toilet that's so close to the living room. Maybe
Speaker 1: not the stone. I might have mentioned this on the
Speaker 1: podcast before, but some friends of ours they moved into
Speaker 1: a house that had two toilets in one bathroom, so
Speaker 1: you could sit across from your partner basically and go
Speaker 1: to the toilet at the same time. That'd be convenient
Speaker 1: when we shared a house, because we don't mind going
Speaker 1: to the toilet in front of each other, but I
Speaker 1: don't go in front of my partner. Who Maybe it's
Speaker 1: when you have kids, like it might be easier if
Speaker 1: they need to go at the same time. Maybe it
Speaker 1: appears that Georgie is having a bit of trouble finding
Speaker 1: a buyer because the house was passed in an auction
Speaker 1: back in November, and since then she's got a new
Speaker 1: agent and they've now listed the asking price, which offers
Speaker 1: over nine point nine million. This is the sort of
Speaker 1: house that you would see on Luck's listings. What I
Speaker 1: couldn't wrap my head around is that the property is
Speaker 1: also available for rent, so it seems like it's Georgie's
Speaker 1: preference just to rent it out. If you want to
Speaker 1: rent this place out, it's going to cost you five
Speaker 1: and a half thousand per week. It's pretty crazy to
Speaker 1: think that that's even an option for the couple, considering
Speaker 1: it's such an expensive and it shows you how incredibly
Speaker 1: successful Georgie Stephenson is. Even if you compare her to
Speaker 1: other influences, her business Naked Halves is obviously doing extremely
Speaker 1: well well. The couple originally purchased the property in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two for seven point five million dollars, so they
Speaker 1: have made quite a bit off it if they do
Speaker 1: sell it over the nine point nine million range. Their
Speaker 1: property manager Ed Cherry said that they've actually been offered
Speaker 1: over nine point nine million dollars quite a few times
Speaker 1: before when it wasn't on the market.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: In terms of what they've done to the house, Georgie
Speaker 1: shared that they were slowly renovating the property in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. So all they appear to have done is
Speaker 1: changed the color palette to a whitewashed color. I think
Speaker 1: it just shows how strong the property market is. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: That's offered enough, just in normal house sales to bump
Speaker 1: up the price. I've noticed that every property, if you
Speaker 1: just paint the walls white, it goes through about one
Speaker 1: hundred k more. I'm just so intrigued to see what
Speaker 1: her next dream house will look like. I think a
Speaker 1: lot more child friendly, maybe one level.
Speaker 2: The amount of questions that came off the back of
Speaker 2: that asking us about if we saw Lily, if we
Speaker 2: saw Lily Brown.
Speaker 1: Lucy Jackson and Niki Wescott have addressed their much publicized
Speaker 1: feud with OG influencer Lily Brown the Happy Hour podcast hosted.
Speaker 1: Ever since the trio reunited at m Davies Hens, they've
Speaker 1: been inundated with questions about what really went down. Now, Sophie,
Speaker 1: our podcasts even got to mention, yeah, I was so
Speaker 1: excited when a listener sent this through. Unfortunately our podcast
Speaker 1: wasn't mentioned by name, though, but the host did talk
Speaker 1: about our segment. So a couple of weeks ago, we
Speaker 1: did a segment about all of the awful media scrutiny
Speaker 1: around M Davies's Hens party outfit, and also touched on
Speaker 1: the intense interest around M's guest list. Now followers were
Speaker 1: very intrigued to see if there would be any fallout
Speaker 1: between Lucy, Nicky and Lily because they were going to
Speaker 1: be spending a boozy weekend together in Bali. The trio
Speaker 1: fell out around five years ago, allegedly over Lily's boyfriend
Speaker 1: at the time, Jerome. Now in the segment, we said
Speaker 1: that we would love to have seen what really went
Speaker 1: down at this event, and Lucy and Niki were kind
Speaker 1: enough to drop us a couple of crumbs. Here's what
Speaker 1: they said.
Speaker 4: I heard on a podcast I got sent to me,
Speaker 4: and they were like, you know, I would have loved
Speaker 4: to have been a fly on the wall to see
Speaker 4: all the drama that happened, and blah blah blah. You
Speaker 4: guys will be actually like thrilled to know, or maybe not,
Speaker 4: maybe you want the tea, but like genuinely and this
Speaker 4: has always been the case since we had our falling
Speaker 4: out with Lil back in Fucking Timbuck two years ago,
Speaker 4: since we've seen her at things for years now, there's
Speaker 4: never been any face to face drama no ever.
Speaker 3: Nah.
Speaker 2: I think we just sort of have always just kind
Speaker 2: of tried to move forward and grow and not whole grudges.
Speaker 1: Lucy went on to say that she's always been very
Speaker 1: mindful that they're a lot older than Lily and when
Speaker 1: they enter a social situation, they never wanted to come
Speaker 1: across as two versus one, and she added she never
Speaker 1: wants to make Lily feel nervous alone or scared. Well,
Speaker 1: that is very mature of them, and Lucy and Nicky
Speaker 1: seemed quite surprised that people were actually still interested in
Speaker 1: this friendship fallout. They said to them, it feels like
Speaker 1: such a long time ago, and that they've had fifteen
Speaker 1: different lives since. Do you think they're trying to save
Speaker 1: face there? Because whenever I've had a friendship fall out
Speaker 1: and you haven't seen the person for a long time,
Speaker 1: then when you see them, you're taking back to that moment.
Speaker 1: I would have thought if it wasn't such a big deal,
Speaker 1: then they would have made up by now, considering they've
Speaker 1: got the mutual friend of m Davis. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It was very clear in this podcast that even though
Speaker 1: they were trying to have water down this reunion and
Speaker 1: say it seemed much more dramatic online. It's clear that
Speaker 1: they haven't rekindled their friendship with her, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that they've seen her at numerous sociates. But it can
Speaker 1: be over a disagreement that you had years ago and
Speaker 1: still not want to be friends with someone. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because if I was over it, then wouldn't you just
Speaker 1: all be friends? I mean, it seems like the situation.
Speaker 1: It seems like what they were trying to say is, look,
Speaker 1: no one had an argument, but I get the vibe
Speaker 1: that they probably just ignored each other. It sounds like
Speaker 1: that because Lucy made a point of saying that she
Speaker 1: spent most of the Hen's weekend on the dance floor
Speaker 1: not speaking to anyone. Like It's not like they said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we caught up and had a great time. Isn't it
Speaker 1: the most awkward thing ever when you are at an
Speaker 1: event with someone that you have had a falling out
Speaker 1: with and you want to be staring and like looking
Speaker 1: at what they're doing, and you can almost feel their
Speaker 1: eyes burning a hole in the back of your head. Well,
Speaker 1: I actually feel more sorry for em because I've been
Speaker 1: in the situation where I've had two people at an
Speaker 1: event who were exes and I've been having to try
Speaker 1: and make things not awkward for them, and oh, it
Speaker 1: was still awkward for everybody. And I really appreciated the
Speaker 1: fact that they both came and are both lovely about it,
Speaker 1: but it's really awkward logistically, even when you know you've
Speaker 1: got your big tape, we'll set up you're gonna have
Speaker 1: him on opposite side entertaining for the friends. Yeah, that's right. Well,
Speaker 1: Lucy and Nikki also put to bedroomors about m Davies'
Speaker 1: engagement party, so at the time there was a lot
Speaker 1: of chatter about why they weren't in attendance, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought maybe it was because Lily had
Speaker 1: recently been named as EM's bridesmaid and it might have
Speaker 1: been awkward for all of them to be together at
Speaker 1: a relatively intimate event. Here's what Lucy said about it.
Speaker 4: There's so much over speculation. We couldn't go because we
Speaker 4: were on that Great Line tour.
Speaker 3: We're contracted to.
Speaker 2: It to ur we would never never make change her dates.
Speaker 4: And you've also got to remember guys Emlys in Perth
Speaker 4: like it is so expensive, Like, we don't just zip
Speaker 4: around that.
Speaker 2: Quickly to Perth.
Speaker 4: So even if we were free, like I'm sure we
Speaker 4: would have made it work, but like, even if we
Speaker 4: were free, it's a huge investment to fly to Perth.
Speaker 2: Like I just thought we would have one hundred percent
Speaker 2: gone if we're free. So we Yeah, we literally were
Speaker 2: contracted to the Grapevine too, and it just didn't line up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she was cool with it.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: That will be at the wedding, went to the Hens
Speaker 1: like Happy Days. I really love that they actually addressed
Speaker 1: the rumors and go there with their listeners. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's probably what sets them apart from a lot of influencers,
Speaker 1: because there are so many influencers that will put up
Speaker 1: a Q and a box and then they'll get you know,
Speaker 1: all of the questions will be, you know, what happened
Speaker 1: with you in this person, and they're like, I'm not
Speaker 1: going into it, so why do you put the Q
Speaker 1: and a box in hers? Exactly?
Speaker 3: My life has changed so much and I think about
Speaker 3: Liam every second of every day. It still doesn't feel
Speaker 3: fully real for me that he's not here. Sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: I'll week up and it's a reality I have to feace.
Speaker 1: Us influenzer. Kay Cassidy has broken her silence giving her
Speaker 1: first interview since her boyfriend Liam Payne's death. In what
Speaker 1: appeared to be a paid interview with UK tabloid The Sun,
Speaker 1: Kay opened up about the one direction singer's frame of
Speaker 1: mind during their final days together and how she found
Speaker 1: out about his death. So Kate's decision to give an
Speaker 1: exclusive interview to the Son of all publications has raised eyebrows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has really surprised the public. I mean I was
Speaker 1: anticipating seeing her maybe on a platform like Call Her Daddy,
Speaker 1: which would appeal to a younger demographic and also be
Speaker 1: more of a cultural moment for her. I never thought
Speaker 1: she would give an exclusive to one of the UK's
Speaker 1: biggest tabloids, particularly one that has such a terrible reputation
Speaker 1: for its treatment of young styles. Well, the journalist Clemmie
Speaker 1: Moody was interviewed on one of the morning shows in
Speaker 1: the UK and she specifically pointed out that it was
Speaker 1: Kate's management team who had reached out to the Sun
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago about doing an interview, but
Speaker 1: they put it on pause. I wonder if they were
Speaker 1: hedging their bets. I don't think The Sun would have
Speaker 1: been their first choice, particularly because they have faced allegations
Speaker 1: over phone tapping and really intrusive practices. I don't think
Speaker 1: it made her look good by giving exclusive interview to them.
Speaker 1: If anything, I would have thought that Klemy would have
Speaker 1: fought really hard to win Kate over, because in the
Speaker 1: interview she made a point of saying that she knew
Speaker 1: Lee when he was on The X Factor and made
Speaker 1: out like they had some sort of friendship there. So
Speaker 1: I thought, well, maybe Kate's agreed to do this interview
Speaker 1: because she thinks that Clemmy's going to go easy on
Speaker 1: her and be quite sensitive. Well, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of speculation that this was a paid interview. There has
Speaker 1: been no confirmation of this. I would assume it was.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent think she was paid for this interview.
Speaker 1: If her management team a shopping around the story, they're
Speaker 1: clearly looking for a particular price tag. But do we
Speaker 1: blame her. She's lost her partner, and yes he was
Speaker 1: worth a lot of money, but that money is going
Speaker 1: towards his eight year old son. So presumably she would
Speaker 1: be in financial trouble because she was renting a mansion
Speaker 1: with him. I am assumed she's moved out. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he was paying for a lot of the bills.
Speaker 1: I can completely understand why she'd want to be paid
Speaker 1: for the interview because she's opening up about such a
Speaker 1: personal and emotional time. And also she would want to
Speaker 1: clear her name because for some reason, she has become
Speaker 1: a villain in this whole story when she is the
Speaker 1: innocent partner here. I would have thought she might have
Speaker 1: saved her story for a book. I'm sure there's a
Speaker 1: lot of publishers that would be paying her a lot
Speaker 1: of money to tell her side of things. There is
Speaker 1: still room for her to do a book deal. Because
Speaker 1: the interview was very surface level, she had strict rules
Speaker 1: in place as to what she would and wouldn't answer,
Speaker 1: and the interviewer later came out and said that she
Speaker 1: was barred from asking Kate about the will in particular.
Speaker 1: I was also waiting to hear her ask questions about
Speaker 1: the sex workers that Liam was seen with in the
Speaker 1: days leading up to his death. That wasn't touched on
Speaker 1: at all either. I think that gives more of an
Speaker 1: indication as to how The Sun actually got this exclusive
Speaker 1: interview because they might have been the only media organization
Speaker 1: to agree not to specifically ask those questions, because if
Speaker 1: she went to a more respected media publication like the BBC,
Speaker 1: they would have said, no, if we're doing the interview,
Speaker 1: we need to ask you all of these questions to
Speaker 1: be balanced and fair. Yeah. Well, this interview was filmed
Speaker 1: and then broken into two parts which were featured on
Speaker 1: their website, and it was also cut up into a
Speaker 1: ton of TikTok videos. Now, it was quite interesting because
Speaker 1: Kate wore very minimal makeup and she was dressed down
Speaker 1: in jeans and a green knit T shirt. And this
Speaker 1: seemed to be a strategic decision because she was absolutely
Speaker 1: torn to shreds after Liam's funeral because she was accused
Speaker 1: of wearing too much makeup and supposedly caring too much
Speaker 1: about how she looked. I actually didn't recognize her. I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of her tiktoks, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh God, she looks completely different. I think that must
Speaker 1: have been because she was so paired back. Well, she
Speaker 1: looked very grief stricken, she looked very upset. Well, in
Speaker 1: this morning show interview, the journalist actually said that she
Speaker 1: could tell that Kate had been really mindful about what
Speaker 1: she wore, her makeup, her whole image, and she said
Speaker 1: it wasn't a vanity thing. It was more so because
Speaker 1: she had been so torn apart online. You could tell
Speaker 1: that she was second guessing everything, and she felt really
Speaker 1: sorry for her. She's also got a team around her,
Speaker 1: a management team who have analyzed the feedback that she's
Speaker 1: been getting, because an interview like this is also a
Speaker 1: career making moment for her and she really needed to
Speaker 1: present herself in the best way forward. Now I want
Speaker 1: to jump into the most interesting parts of this inn.
Speaker 1: There has been so much speculation surrounding the final days
Speaker 1: that Kate spent with Liam in Argentina and why she
Speaker 1: left the trip early so she flew home four days
Speaker 1: before Liam ultimately fell from his hotel balcony, and following
Speaker 1: Liam's death, there were rumors and a lot of reports
Speaker 1: that the couple were fighting whilst they were in South America,
Speaker 1: and that Kate issued Lim with an ultimatum saying that
Speaker 1: he must choose between her and drugs. Rumors of a
Speaker 1: rift between the couple were fueled further when it was
Speaker 1: reported that Lim met with two sex workers on the
Speaker 1: day of his death. Now, the interview went easy on
Speaker 1: Kate because instead of asking about any of these things,
Speaker 1: she simply said, did you have fond memories of your
Speaker 1: last day together? And I thought that was a very
Speaker 1: interesting way to phrase that question. I think that's a
Speaker 1: great way to phrase it because it's a very loaded
Speaker 1: question because if she says, well, no, I didn't, then
Speaker 1: it's like, well why well. The journalist points out in
Speaker 1: this interview with The Morning Show that a lot of
Speaker 1: what Kate said came across as really rehearsed, and she
Speaker 1: also would be yeah, and she said she can understood
Speaker 1: why she did that, But the best parts of this
Speaker 1: interview was when she was actually off the cuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: In answer to this question, Kate said that they had
Speaker 1: an idyllic last day together. They woke up to a
Speaker 1: beautiful breakfast and went horseback riding. We saw all of
Speaker 1: that on snapchat. And when asked about the state of
Speaker 1: mind Liam was in when she left, she said he
Speaker 1: was very positive and so happy. Here's why she said
Speaker 1: she left Argentina.
Speaker 3: Originally we thought we were only going to be in
Speaker 3: Argentina for about a week. Give her teake a little
Speaker 3: less a little more and after two weeks, I had
Speaker 3: a responsibility. We had a responsibility, we had our dog,
Speaker 3: And obviously I never would have thought this event would
Speaker 3: have occurred. I never would have thought that this would
Speaker 3: have happened.
Speaker 1: So Kate is referring to the couple's rescue dog, Nalo,
Speaker 1: which they adopted shortly before the trip and the grab
Speaker 1: we just played. If Kate has been going viral with
Speaker 1: someone direction, Fance not happy with Kate referring to Liam's
Speaker 1: death as an event. I mean, they wouldn't've been happy
Speaker 1: if she referred to it as his death either. This
Speaker 1: is a twenty five year old girl who's literally grieving
Speaker 1: the death of her boyfriend. I mean, I get that one.
Speaker 1: D fans are upset, but we need to remember she
Speaker 1: actually had a relationship with Liam. She didn't just know
Speaker 1: him through his music or what we saw on TikTok.
Speaker 1: This was a real relationship. And I also think because
Speaker 1: Liam's death is still being investigated, she's mindful not to
Speaker 1: refer to this as an accident or a crime. I
Speaker 1: think that's why she said this was an event. Well,
Speaker 1: you can see why she was probably rehearsing some of
Speaker 1: these answers as well as if anyone would be if
Speaker 1: they've got some sort of media team now. The interviewer
Speaker 1: also asked about Liam's mental health and drug addiction. Somewhat clunkily,
Speaker 1: I have to say, she asked Kate whether it came
Speaker 1: out at the blue or what seemed to trigger him
Speaker 1: that day. Here's what Kate said.
Speaker 3: With addiction, you know, you just you never know when
Speaker 3: it's gonna come out. It's a really serious issue that
Speaker 3: I think is like under valued and underspoken about.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: When I, like I said earlier, when I left Argentina,
Speaker 3: we had such a great day and he was in
Speaker 3: such a good headspace and we were in such you know,
Speaker 3: great you know, we're just full of love and I
Speaker 3: never would have expected any of that to occur.
Speaker 1: In a subsequent interview with the Sun, which was not filmed,
Speaker 1: Kate said Liam's relapse came hard and fast, and as
Speaker 1: far as she was concerned, it came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: When she was asked what caused the relap, she said,
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to answer that because I
Speaker 1: literally wouldn't even know. It's interesting that she gave these
Speaker 1: grabs when she wasn't being filmed it seems to me
Speaker 1: that they filmed the initial interview and then were like,
Speaker 1: we need a little bit more information, and potentially her
Speaker 1: PR manager wrote those graps. Yeah, you could really tell
Speaker 1: as well that it was important for Kate to reiterate
Speaker 1: that on her end, there were no red flags before
Speaker 1: she left and that Liam was in a good head
Speaker 1: because she has been blamed people are saying, why would
Speaker 1: you leave your partner when he's in such a bad
Speaker 1: place mentally, Also to deflect from rumors that there was
Speaker 1: potentially some sort of fight that triggered this whole event.
Speaker 1: I mean, again, it's not fair to blame her on
Speaker 1: what has taken place, but I can see why she
Speaker 1: would want to avoid anyone thinking that that actually had occurred. Well,
Speaker 1: this whole idea of her abandoning him is what has
Speaker 1: led to her receiving a lot of death threat and
Speaker 1: what she described as the most unthinkable messages in her DMS.
Speaker 1: It actually caused her to take a break offline for
Speaker 1: some time, and she said, whilst it's hard, she will
Speaker 1: never let anyone tell her how her relationship was with
Speaker 1: Liam because they are the only two people who truly know.
Speaker 1: She also wanted to describe their relationship as authentic, real,
Speaker 1: and something you'd see out of a movie. I was
Speaker 1: really relieved to hear that Kate didn't find out about
Speaker 1: Liam's death online or through the media, because it seems
Speaker 1: like a lot of his family members did find out
Speaker 1: that way. One of Liam's friends actually broke the news
Speaker 1: to her, and she said she'd been scrolled on TikTok
Speaker 1: and was home alone with their dog when she got
Speaker 1: the phone call. So she said that she blacked out
Speaker 1: during the phone call and tried to convince herself that
Speaker 1: it was just a rumor, that perhaps someone made it
Speaker 1: up just to get views online. However, when it became
Speaker 1: apparent that the news was in fact true, she said
Speaker 1: that she still found it so difficult to believe. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that was a feeling a lot of us
Speaker 1: were grappling with who didn't even know him, and especially
Speaker 1: when she was so far away, like if you're in
Speaker 1: a different country, I mean, imagine she probably would have
Speaker 1: tried to call him a million times. She she said
Speaker 1: she tried to call his phone, she was pacing around
Speaker 1: the house. She couldn't sleep for the first night. She
Speaker 1: said she felt numb and as though she had no
Speaker 1: emotions as well, and she seemed to be in this
Speaker 1: huge case of denial over the whole thing. She said
Speaker 1: that it was also her first time experiencing grief of
Speaker 1: this nature and that it has very much been coming
Speaker 1: in waves now. The reality really sunk in for Kate
Speaker 1: when she was sitting in the couple's new house with
Speaker 1: her mum and she realized that she would never see
Speaker 1: Liam again, and that they were never going to be
Speaker 1: home to get and he wouldn't see the Halloween decorations
Speaker 1: that she'd been setting up those few days that she'd
Speaker 1: been home without him. Kate also revealed the last text
Speaker 1: message that she sent to Liam when he was alive.
Speaker 1: It read, I can't wait for you to come home
Speaker 1: and for me, you and now to be a family
Speaker 1: again together. I can't wait for you to see the
Speaker 1: house that is just so sad now. The most uncomfortable
Speaker 1: question for me came when their journalist asked Kate if
Speaker 1: she foresaw Liam dying young, and she backed it up
Speaker 1: by saying that she believed Liam had previously spoken about
Speaker 1: that being a possibility. Here's what Kate had to say.
Speaker 3: You know, you never think that the worst possible thing
Speaker 3: can happen to you know, no matter what it is,
Speaker 3: whether it's some a family member getting sick or just
Speaker 3: a cur like, it doesn't matter. You never ever think
Speaker 3: that's going to happen. And it's just I never would
Speaker 3: have thought that it would ever, you know, have turned
Speaker 3: out the way it did. And I'm still just you know,
Speaker 3: wrapping my head around it.
Speaker 1: Kate then said if she could see into the future,
Speaker 1: she would have never left Argentina, but unfortunately they had
Speaker 1: their own separate lives and this wasn't the first time
Speaker 1: they traveled separately. I think the journalist was desperately trying
Speaker 1: to get Kate to make some sort of comment about
Speaker 1: her being concerned about his drug addiction. In part of
Speaker 1: the interview, Kate admitted that she was a one D
Speaker 1: fan growing up, and she actually had one direction on
Speaker 1: her balls as a teenager. Well, I remember she had
Speaker 1: a TikTok with Liam in it, and she had this
Speaker 1: character of Liam on a popsticle stick, and she said
Speaker 1: that this was a sign of manifestation because she had
Speaker 1: created this as a child and look curious sitting on
Speaker 1: her bed, and she said that she had a crush
Speaker 1: on him ever since she was ten years old, which
Speaker 1: I thought was really sweet, and she touched on Liam's
Speaker 1: hopes for a One D reunion, saying this.
Speaker 3: I think everybody had hopes for One Direction to do
Speaker 3: a reunion at some point, So, you know, Liam, One
Speaker 3: Direction was such a huge part in his life and
Speaker 3: he would have been more than happy in the future
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 1: I feel like Kate's comment is going to fuel further
Speaker 1: speculation that One Direction will reunite for a special tribute
Speaker 1: to Liam at this year's Brutal Awards. I'm already seeing
Speaker 1: this all over my TikTok. The saddest thing is it
Speaker 1: always appeared that it was Liam and not the other
Speaker 1: guys that was pushing for this reunion. He really was
Speaker 1: the heart of the band of the day. Well, I
Speaker 1: saw that Louis was spotted at Zane's concert, so they
Speaker 1: think that he's trying to mend things. I personally think
Speaker 1: it won't happen, because, as you said, Amy, it seemed
Speaker 1: like Liam was the one really trying to make it happen,
Speaker 1: and it just wouldn't feel right if he wasn't there. Well,
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think it could happen. I have told
Speaker 1: you guys that ever since Limb passed away. My TikTok
Speaker 1: feed has been full constantly for months now of One Direction,
Speaker 1: and I've got to stop sending to me And after
Speaker 1: piecing it all together, I really think that this could
Speaker 1: be a fantastic tribute because he was so keen to
Speaker 1: get everyone back together. I think that that's why they
Speaker 1: might do it just for that night. They're not going
Speaker 1: to get back together as a band, but I think
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful tribute to Liam. I agree with you,
Speaker 1: Sophie because a lot of the guys have been doing
Speaker 1: their own solo tours, so while it would be a
Speaker 1: nice tribute for Liam, it's also good promotion for themselves.
Speaker 1: It was really sad because Kate mentioned that when Liam
Speaker 1: passed away, the only way she could fall asleep was
Speaker 1: by listening to his music, but then during the daytime
Speaker 1: she felt like it wasn't helping her move on. She
Speaker 1: was getting too emotional. So now whenever she hears One Direction,
Speaker 1: she has to turn it down. Well, as expected, there
Speaker 1: was a mixed reaction to Kate's interview, and her name
Speaker 1: was trending on x. The backlash was fierced with many
Speaker 1: One Direction fans slamming her decision to sell her story
Speaker 1: to the Sun. One ex user wrote, someone who truly
Speaker 1: loved or respected Liam wouldn't sell their story to a
Speaker 1: sensationalized tabloid. This is neither bravery nor sincerity. It's pure
Speaker 1: financial interest. Kate shows once again that for her money
Speaker 1: outweighs respect for Liam's memory and those who still warn him.
Speaker 1: Another ex user wrote, have a little attention, you're starving. God.
Speaker 1: People are just awful. She's talking about her own experience
Speaker 1: following his death, not really anything too personal to do
Speaker 1: with Liam. Yet all these one direction fans can jump
Speaker 1: online and say how heartbroken and upset they are by
Speaker 1: someone that they've never met and have never had a relationship.
Speaker 1: So there's been no confirmation that she was paid, and
Speaker 1: we have no idea even if she was child I
Speaker 1: think she would have been paid. But then again, why
Speaker 1: can't she be paid for opening up and giving these
Speaker 1: detail The thing is, she's not a rich celebrity. She
Speaker 1: did date a rich celebrity and was living the high
Speaker 1: life for some time, but we don't know what her
Speaker 1: financial situation looks like now. Unfortunately, anything she did would
Speaker 1: have been wrong to some of the fans. It was
Speaker 1: awful because people were also accusing her of having crocodile tears,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't actually believe it because one of the
Speaker 1: moments when Kate broke down was when she was talking
Speaker 1: about a trip she did recently with Liam to the
Speaker 1: Northern Lights, and I felt myself getting emotional because she
Speaker 1: spoke about how it was the most beautiful trip they'd
Speaker 1: ever been on together, but what broke her heart was
Speaker 1: the fact that they actually didn't get to see the
Speaker 1: Northern Lights and that she and Liam will never be
Speaker 1: able to see them together again. And they had all
Speaker 1: these cute photos of their trip, and I thought, how
Speaker 1: can you question someone's emotions in that moment, not like
Speaker 1: kid's married at for site where people get accused of
Speaker 1: crocodile tears for attention, like this is actually someone who's
Speaker 1: lost the love of their life. There was also a
Speaker 1: lot of debate around whether she had botox in her forehead,
Speaker 1: and people were saying, oh, well, maybe that's why she
Speaker 1: can't cry properly, and that's why it's not believable. I
Speaker 1: think this is the issue with TikTok and how news
Speaker 1: is shared on that platform, because obviously the Sun is
Speaker 1: going to cut that content up into bite sized pieces,
Speaker 1: and you're not going to see the whole context of
Speaker 1: the interview. So a bit of the intervieview might pop
Speaker 1: up on your feed and she might look really happy
Speaker 1: in it, so you might think, oh, well, she's moved
Speaker 1: on pretty quickly. She's doing well for us. So I
Speaker 1: just don't understand, though, how weird as a society can
Speaker 1: be so vile and just go online and say, oh,
Speaker 1: this person who's just lost her boyfriend, it must be
Speaker 1: crocodile tears. How insane is that? But all of that
Speaker 1: awful commentary did cause a wave of supporters to come
Speaker 1: out in her defense. They called themselves the Cake Cassidy
Speaker 1: Defense League, and they went into bat for her on
Speaker 1: x SO. One said, man, this is so sad. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine losing my boyfriend in such a terrible and
Speaker 1: public way where deranged, parasocial fans keep blaming me for
Speaker 1: his death. Ca Cassidy is so strong, whilst another said, wild,
Speaker 1: how people villainize Ca Cassidy. Meanwhile, when Liam died, people
Speaker 1: were demanding for her to speak. Damned if she does,
Speaker 1: Damned if she doesn't. Life in a nutshell well, I
Speaker 1: think that's a good place to leave it, because I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree anymore with that sentiment. This podcast was recorded
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