1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: hottest influenza and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up. On today's show, Lucy Jackson 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: and Nicki Wescott revealed what really happened when they reunited 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: with Lilly Brown. Kate Cassidy gives first interview since boyfriend 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Liam Payne's death, and why Georgie Stephenson's dream house is 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: on the market, but first. Mikayla Tester has revealed she's 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: set to share the full story behind her experience with 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: the Paul family on her new podcast, Kate, Can You 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: tell Us More? Well? The news really contradicted her most 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: recent statement that she would be moving forward legally, so 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: last Wednesday, she wrote, Hi, guys, I did promise receipts. 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: While going through and actually collecting them and reviewing them, 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: I realized something very, very sinister was happening to me 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: for many years. This is something the police should be seeing, 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: not the Internet. Although at some stage I will be 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: able to share my story in full, as I have 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: shared every piece of my life with you all so far, 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: I will have to delay. For now. I will be 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: moving forward legally. The way it should be now. There 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: was a bit of a backflip by Michayla on Friday, 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: because she then shared a photo of a couch and 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: a microphone and wrote, where I'm about to sit for 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: the next two days, telling you all absolutely everything I've 25 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: wanted to say that couldn't coming next week. She went 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: on to say, not a single stone will be left unturned. 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: This is my story, my experience, and my choice to 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: share now. The podcast is called The Unsaid Podcast and 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: at the time of recording, has one hundred and eight 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: thousand followers. I'm sure the Paul family are looking on 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: very nervously at this. I actually gasped when I saw 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: Michayla's post. This was so unexpected, and when I clicked 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: on her Instagram, it originally said that the podcast was 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: going to be hosted by Michayla and Alisha Mackenzie. So 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: Alisha is Michayla's friend and manager. Now it just says 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be hosted by Mikayla. I wonder if 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: this is a legal decision, because if this does go 38 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: to court for defamation, Mikayla will want to protect herself, obviously, 39 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: but she might not want to fit the bill for 40 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: a friend. I was really disappointed when I saw Mikayla's 41 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: announcement pop up, because I thought it was really mature 42 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: and a good move that she was going to take 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: things offline. Well, a lot of people are now saying, oh, well, 44 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: did Mikayla originally call Anna pull out just to get 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: attention for her new podcast. I don't actually think that 46 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: that's the case, but it is an interesting move to 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: bring the podcast out so soon after. I think the 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: podcast is just sort of a one and done thing. 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't think she's going to continue to release episodes. 50 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: I think she's just chosen this as a format to 51 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: share her story. Really, I potentially think that this podcast 52 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: had been in the works for quite some time because 53 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: the photo was taken in a professional studio. Obviously, the 54 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: Instagram had been set up, and Michayla's manager was going 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: to co host with her. I think maybe she looked 56 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: at the attention she was receiving and thought, well, now 57 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: it's probably a good time to announce that I'm doing 58 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: this podcast because I'm going to get mass exposure from views. Well, 59 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: from a PR perspective, it is a pretty clever time 60 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: when everyone is looking at your page. But that theory 61 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: doesn't really make sense to me, because two days earlier 62 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: she said that she was going to stop speaking about 63 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: it because she was following it up legally. I think 64 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: someone's just come to her and said you should do 65 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: a podcast, and it's happened all pretty meganically. She also 66 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: might have received legal advice that maybe the evidence she 67 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: found wasn't enough for a potential prosecution. She's clearly lawyered up, 68 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: and after the response Anna received from her video, I 69 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: think that she's probably feeling very confident to keep talking. 70 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: I hope that the podcast is focused more so on 71 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: Atis than Anna. But a concept I talk about in 72 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: the work that I teach is quantum leaping, So it's like, 73 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's a bit of a buzzword to in TikTok. 74 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: It's like how to manifest and quantum leep. Influencer turned 75 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: entrepreneur Georgie Stevenson has revealed her dream home is on 76 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: the market in an unusual move. The multi level Hilltop 77 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: mansion is listed for both sale and rent. Before we 78 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: get into it amy, For those who are not familiar 79 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: with Georgie, who is she? 80 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Well? 81 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: Georgie is a successful entrepreneur who started out as a 82 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: lawyer and influencer. She is close to four hundred thousand 83 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: followers on Instagram and she co owns supplement brand Naked Harvest, 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: as well as owning a mindset and manifestation course Meditation 85 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: of Mindset, app, skincare brand and podcast, and at just 86 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: thirty years of age, Georgie is a self proclaimed multi 87 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: millionaire and is married to her long term partner Tim 88 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: and together they have a three year old called Ivy. Now, 89 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: this home that Georgie lives in is probably one of 90 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: the most insane influencer houses I've ever seen. I'm curious, 91 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: why is she moving out of it? Well, the crux 92 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: of it is that the home isn't family friendly. So 93 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: in a Q and A on an Instagram story, she 94 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: revealed the exciting news that she is trying to have 95 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: a second baby this year, and in making those plans, 96 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: she's realized that a house isn't as child friendly as 97 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: they would like for a newborn. So she wrote, it's 98 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: the most incredible house, like it's my dream house, but 99 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: also we realize maybe not the best in our current chapter. 100 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: In an ideal world, we keep it rented out and 101 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: move back in when the kid's older, But I don't know. 102 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: See now, I had a squizz at this house on 103 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: real estate dot Com. It is absolutely insane, but it's 104 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: probably the least kid friendly house I've ever seen. So 105 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: the main issue with the house is that it has 106 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: six different levels. It does have an elevator though, which 107 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: Georgie said is helpful. 108 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: Now. 109 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: The house itself takes up four levels. Then there is 110 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: a separate level for a self contained studio, and at 111 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: the bottom is a backyard. And Georgie and Tim's bedroom 112 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 1: is on the top level, while their daughter, Ivy's bedroom 113 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: and the other bedrooms are on the third level. That 114 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: must be real pain having to go down in the lift. 115 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: That sounds like I'm taking the pits, But it would 116 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: be a real issue having to go down a level 117 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: to get to your daughter. 118 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, will. 119 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: Georgie explained that she didn't like the thought of having 120 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: to go down the stairs with a newborn, and they 121 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: actually bought the house when Ivy started sleeping through the 122 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: night and walking. However, she did say that if they 123 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: want to go take her down to the backyard, it's 124 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: down eighty steps, so she actually can't play unsupervised I 125 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: want to know if they have someone working in the lift, 126 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, back in the day when it comes to be. 127 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying this house is so op And 128 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: on the second level we're going to Ivy's Plea, there's 129 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: a six level house. I mean, it seems like they 130 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: use it quite a bit. Well, I actually want to 131 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: start manifesting after looking into some of these features of 132 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: Georgie's house because she's onto something which I think it's 133 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: the best influencer house I've seen. Step First Smith's family 134 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: property is a close second, but this one takes the case. 135 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 136 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: And this property is built on a hilltop next to 137 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: a conservation reserve. It has the most incredible views of 138 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: the Gold Coast skyline as well as the beach. And 139 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: it's not a small property. It stretches over one thy 140 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty eight square meters. There are five bedrooms, 141 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: five bathrooms, and infinity pool, spa gym, outdoor kitchen, as 142 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: well as you mentioned Kate the self contained studio. Where 143 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: do we sign up to Georgie Stevenson's manifestation course. The 144 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: one feature that I couldn't get over was there is 145 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: this really strange toilet in the middle of the living room, 146 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: so it isn't it is encased in this stone cylinder, 147 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: but it's just sort of randomly in the middle. And 148 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: touring a mini house tour Georgie recorded back when they 149 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: first moved in, she said, it's a little round toilet 150 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: in the middle of the room, so random. We love that. 151 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: That's probably the most kid friendly thing there, just having 152 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: a toilet that's so close to the living room. Maybe 153 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: not the stone. I might have mentioned this on the 154 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: podcast before, but some friends of ours they moved into 155 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: a house that had two toilets in one bathroom, so 156 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: you could sit across from your partner basically and go 157 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: to the toilet at the same time. That'd be convenient 158 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: when we shared a house, because we don't mind going 159 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: to the toilet in front of each other, but I 160 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: don't go in front of my partner. Who Maybe it's 161 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: when you have kids, like it might be easier if 162 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: they need to go at the same time. Maybe it 163 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: appears that Georgie is having a bit of trouble finding 164 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: a buyer because the house was passed in an auction 165 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: back in November, and since then she's got a new 166 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: agent and they've now listed the asking price, which offers 167 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: over nine point nine million. This is the sort of 168 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: house that you would see on Luck's listings. What I 169 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: couldn't wrap my head around is that the property is 170 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: also available for rent, so it seems like it's Georgie's 171 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: preference just to rent it out. If you want to 172 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: rent this place out, it's going to cost you five 173 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: and a half thousand per week. It's pretty crazy to 174 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: think that that's even an option for the couple, considering 175 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: it's such an expensive and it shows you how incredibly 176 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: successful Georgie Stephenson is. Even if you compare her to 177 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: other influences, her business Naked Halves is obviously doing extremely 178 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: well well. The couple originally purchased the property in twenty 179 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: twenty two for seven point five million dollars, so they 180 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: have made quite a bit off it if they do 181 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: sell it over the nine point nine million range. Their 182 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: property manager Ed Cherry said that they've actually been offered 183 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: over nine point nine million dollars quite a few times 184 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: before when it wasn't on the market. 185 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 3: Now. 186 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: In terms of what they've done to the house, Georgie 187 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: shared that they were slowly renovating the property in twenty 188 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: twenty three. So all they appear to have done is 189 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: changed the color palette to a whitewashed color. I think 190 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: it just shows how strong the property market is. Yeah, exactly. 191 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: That's offered enough, just in normal house sales to bump 192 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: up the price. I've noticed that every property, if you 193 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: just paint the walls white, it goes through about one 194 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: hundred k more. I'm just so intrigued to see what 195 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: her next dream house will look like. I think a 196 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: lot more child friendly, maybe one level. 197 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: The amount of questions that came off the back of 198 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: that asking us about if we saw Lily, if we 199 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: saw Lily Brown. 200 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: Lucy Jackson and Niki Wescott have addressed their much publicized 201 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: feud with OG influencer Lily Brown the Happy Hour podcast hosted. 202 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: Ever since the trio reunited at m Davies Hens, they've 203 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: been inundated with questions about what really went down. Now, Sophie, 204 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: our podcasts even got to mention, yeah, I was so 205 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: excited when a listener sent this through. Unfortunately our podcast 206 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: wasn't mentioned by name, though, but the host did talk 207 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: about our segment. So a couple of weeks ago, we 208 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: did a segment about all of the awful media scrutiny 209 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: around M Davies's Hens party outfit, and also touched on 210 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: the intense interest around M's guest list. Now followers were 211 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: very intrigued to see if there would be any fallout 212 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: between Lucy, Nicky and Lily because they were going to 213 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: be spending a boozy weekend together in Bali. The trio 214 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: fell out around five years ago, allegedly over Lily's boyfriend 215 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: at the time, Jerome. Now in the segment, we said 216 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: that we would love to have seen what really went 217 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: down at this event, and Lucy and Niki were kind 218 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: enough to drop us a couple of crumbs. Here's what 219 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: they said. 220 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 4: I heard on a podcast I got sent to me, 221 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 4: and they were like, you know, I would have loved 222 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: to have been a fly on the wall to see 223 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: all the drama that happened, and blah blah blah. You 224 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 4: guys will be actually like thrilled to know, or maybe not, 225 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: maybe you want the tea, but like genuinely and this 226 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: has always been the case since we had our falling 227 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: out with Lil back in Fucking Timbuck two years ago, 228 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 4: since we've seen her at things for years now, there's 229 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 4: never been any face to face drama no ever. 230 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: Nah. 231 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: I think we just sort of have always just kind 232 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: of tried to move forward and grow and not whole grudges. 233 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: Lucy went on to say that she's always been very 234 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: mindful that they're a lot older than Lily and when 235 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: they enter a social situation, they never wanted to come 236 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: across as two versus one, and she added she never 237 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: wants to make Lily feel nervous alone or scared. Well, 238 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: that is very mature of them, and Lucy and Nicky 239 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: seemed quite surprised that people were actually still interested in 240 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: this friendship fallout. They said to them, it feels like 241 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: such a long time ago, and that they've had fifteen 242 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: different lives since. Do you think they're trying to save 243 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: face there? Because whenever I've had a friendship fall out 244 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: and you haven't seen the person for a long time, 245 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: then when you see them, you're taking back to that moment. 246 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: I would have thought if it wasn't such a big deal, 247 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: then they would have made up by now, considering they've 248 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: got the mutual friend of m Davis. Well, that's the thing. 249 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: It was very clear in this podcast that even though 250 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: they were trying to have water down this reunion and 251 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: say it seemed much more dramatic online. It's clear that 252 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: they haven't rekindled their friendship with her, despite the fact 253 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: that they've seen her at numerous sociates. But it can 254 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: be over a disagreement that you had years ago and 255 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: still not want to be friends with someone. I don't know, 256 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: because if I was over it, then wouldn't you just 257 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: all be friends? I mean, it seems like the situation. 258 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: It seems like what they were trying to say is, look, 259 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: no one had an argument, but I get the vibe 260 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: that they probably just ignored each other. It sounds like 261 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: that because Lucy made a point of saying that she 262 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: spent most of the Hen's weekend on the dance floor 263 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: not speaking to anyone. Like It's not like they said, oh, yeah, 264 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: we caught up and had a great time. Isn't it 265 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: the most awkward thing ever when you are at an 266 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: event with someone that you have had a falling out 267 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: with and you want to be staring and like looking 268 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: at what they're doing, and you can almost feel their 269 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: eyes burning a hole in the back of your head. Well, 270 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: I actually feel more sorry for em because I've been 271 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: in the situation where I've had two people at an 272 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: event who were exes and I've been having to try 273 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: and make things not awkward for them, and oh, it 274 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: was still awkward for everybody. And I really appreciated the 275 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: fact that they both came and are both lovely about it, 276 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: but it's really awkward logistically, even when you know you've 277 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: got your big tape, we'll set up you're gonna have 278 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: him on opposite side entertaining for the friends. Yeah, that's right. Well, 279 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: Lucy and Nikki also put to bedroomors about m Davies' 280 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: engagement party, so at the time there was a lot 281 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: of chatter about why they weren't in attendance, and a 282 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: lot of people thought maybe it was because Lily had 283 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: recently been named as EM's bridesmaid and it might have 284 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: been awkward for all of them to be together at 285 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: a relatively intimate event. Here's what Lucy said about it. 286 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: There's so much over speculation. We couldn't go because we 287 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 4: were on that Great Line tour. 288 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: We're contracted to. 289 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: It to ur we would never never make change her dates. 290 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 4: And you've also got to remember guys Emlys in Perth 291 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 4: like it is so expensive, Like, we don't just zip 292 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 4: around that. 293 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: Quickly to Perth. 294 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: So even if we were free, like I'm sure we 295 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 4: would have made it work, but like, even if we 296 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: were free, it's a huge investment to fly to Perth. 297 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: Like I just thought we would have one hundred percent 298 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: gone if we're free. So we Yeah, we literally were 299 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: contracted to the Grapevine too, and it just didn't line up. Yeah, 300 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: and she was cool with it. 301 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: Of course. 302 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: That will be at the wedding, went to the Hens 303 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: like Happy Days. I really love that they actually addressed 304 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: the rumors and go there with their listeners. I mean, 305 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: that's probably what sets them apart from a lot of influencers, 306 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: because there are so many influencers that will put up 307 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: a Q and a box and then they'll get you know, 308 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: all of the questions will be, you know, what happened 309 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: with you in this person, and they're like, I'm not 310 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: going into it, so why do you put the Q 311 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: and a box in hers? Exactly? 312 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: My life has changed so much and I think about 313 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: Liam every second of every day. It still doesn't feel 314 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: fully real for me that he's not here. Sometimes you know, 315 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: I'll week up and it's a reality I have to feace. 316 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: Us influenzer. Kay Cassidy has broken her silence giving her 317 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: first interview since her boyfriend Liam Payne's death. In what 318 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: appeared to be a paid interview with UK tabloid The Sun, 319 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: Kay opened up about the one direction singer's frame of 320 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: mind during their final days together and how she found 321 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: out about his death. So Kate's decision to give an 322 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: exclusive interview to the Son of all publications has raised eyebrows. Yeah, 323 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: it has really surprised the public. I mean I was 324 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: anticipating seeing her maybe on a platform like Call Her Daddy, 325 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: which would appeal to a younger demographic and also be 326 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: more of a cultural moment for her. I never thought 327 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: she would give an exclusive to one of the UK's 328 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: biggest tabloids, particularly one that has such a terrible reputation 329 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: for its treatment of young styles. Well, the journalist Clemmie 330 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: Moody was interviewed on one of the morning shows in 331 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: the UK and she specifically pointed out that it was 332 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: Kate's management team who had reached out to the Sun 333 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago about doing an interview, but 334 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: they put it on pause. I wonder if they were 335 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: hedging their bets. I don't think The Sun would have 336 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,359 Speaker 1: been their first choice, particularly because they have faced allegations 337 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: over phone tapping and really intrusive practices. I don't think 338 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: it made her look good by giving exclusive interview to them. 339 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: If anything, I would have thought that Klemy would have 340 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: fought really hard to win Kate over, because in the 341 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: interview she made a point of saying that she knew 342 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Lee when he was on The X Factor and made 343 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: out like they had some sort of friendship there. So 344 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: I thought, well, maybe Kate's agreed to do this interview 345 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: because she thinks that Clemmy's going to go easy on 346 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: her and be quite sensitive. Well, there's been a lot 347 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: of speculation that this was a paid interview. There has 348 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: been no confirmation of this. I would assume it was. 349 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: I one hundred percent think she was paid for this interview. 350 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: If her management team a shopping around the story, they're 351 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: clearly looking for a particular price tag. But do we 352 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: blame her. She's lost her partner, and yes he was 353 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: worth a lot of money, but that money is going 354 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: towards his eight year old son. So presumably she would 355 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: be in financial trouble because she was renting a mansion 356 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: with him. I am assumed she's moved out. Yeah, well, 357 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm assuming he was paying for a lot of the bills. 358 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: I can completely understand why she'd want to be paid 359 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: for the interview because she's opening up about such a 360 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: personal and emotional time. And also she would want to 361 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: clear her name because for some reason, she has become 362 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: a villain in this whole story when she is the 363 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: innocent partner here. I would have thought she might have 364 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: saved her story for a book. I'm sure there's a 365 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of publishers that would be paying her a lot 366 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: of money to tell her side of things. There is 367 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: still room for her to do a book deal. Because 368 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: the interview was very surface level, she had strict rules 369 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: in place as to what she would and wouldn't answer, 370 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: and the interviewer later came out and said that she 371 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: was barred from asking Kate about the will in particular. 372 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: I was also waiting to hear her ask questions about 373 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: the sex workers that Liam was seen with in the 374 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: days leading up to his death. That wasn't touched on 375 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: at all either. I think that gives more of an 376 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: indication as to how The Sun actually got this exclusive 377 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: interview because they might have been the only media organization 378 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: to agree not to specifically ask those questions, because if 379 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: she went to a more respected media publication like the BBC, 380 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: they would have said, no, if we're doing the interview, 381 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: we need to ask you all of these questions to 382 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: be balanced and fair. Yeah. Well, this interview was filmed 383 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: and then broken into two parts which were featured on 384 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: their website, and it was also cut up into a 385 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: ton of TikTok videos. Now, it was quite interesting because 386 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: Kate wore very minimal makeup and she was dressed down 387 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: in jeans and a green knit T shirt. And this 388 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: seemed to be a strategic decision because she was absolutely 389 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: torn to shreds after Liam's funeral because she was accused 390 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: of wearing too much makeup and supposedly caring too much 391 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: about how she looked. I actually didn't recognize her. I've 392 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: seen a lot of her tiktoks, and I was like, 393 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: oh God, she looks completely different. I think that must 394 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: have been because she was so paired back. Well, she 395 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: looked very grief stricken, she looked very upset. Well, in 396 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: this morning show interview, the journalist actually said that she 397 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: could tell that Kate had been really mindful about what 398 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: she wore, her makeup, her whole image, and she said 399 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't a vanity thing. It was more so because 400 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: she had been so torn apart online. You could tell 401 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: that she was second guessing everything, and she felt really 402 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: sorry for her. She's also got a team around her, 403 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: a management team who have analyzed the feedback that she's 404 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: been getting, because an interview like this is also a 405 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: career making moment for her and she really needed to 406 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: present herself in the best way forward. Now I want 407 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: to jump into the most interesting parts of this inn. 408 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: There has been so much speculation surrounding the final days 409 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: that Kate spent with Liam in Argentina and why she 410 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: left the trip early so she flew home four days 411 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: before Liam ultimately fell from his hotel balcony, and following 412 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: Liam's death, there were rumors and a lot of reports 413 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: that the couple were fighting whilst they were in South America, 414 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: and that Kate issued Lim with an ultimatum saying that 415 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: he must choose between her and drugs. Rumors of a 416 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: rift between the couple were fueled further when it was 417 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: reported that Lim met with two sex workers on the 418 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: day of his death. Now, the interview went easy on 419 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: Kate because instead of asking about any of these things, 420 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: she simply said, did you have fond memories of your 421 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: last day together? And I thought that was a very 422 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: interesting way to phrase that question. I think that's a 423 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: great way to phrase it because it's a very loaded 424 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: question because if she says, well, no, I didn't, then 425 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: it's like, well why well. The journalist points out in 426 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: this interview with The Morning Show that a lot of 427 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: what Kate said came across as really rehearsed, and she 428 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: also would be yeah, and she said she can understood 429 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: why she did that, But the best parts of this 430 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: interview was when she was actually off the cuff. Yeah. 431 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 3: Well. 432 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: In answer to this question, Kate said that they had 433 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: an idyllic last day together. They woke up to a 434 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: beautiful breakfast and went horseback riding. We saw all of 435 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: that on snapchat. And when asked about the state of 436 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: mind Liam was in when she left, she said he 437 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: was very positive and so happy. Here's why she said 438 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: she left Argentina. 439 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: Originally we thought we were only going to be in 440 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 3: Argentina for about a week. Give her teake a little 441 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: less a little more and after two weeks, I had 442 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: a responsibility. We had a responsibility, we had our dog, 443 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: And obviously I never would have thought this event would 444 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: have occurred. I never would have thought that this would 445 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: have happened. 446 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: So Kate is referring to the couple's rescue dog, Nalo, 447 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: which they adopted shortly before the trip and the grab 448 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: we just played. If Kate has been going viral with 449 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: someone direction, Fance not happy with Kate referring to Liam's 450 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: death as an event. I mean, they wouldn't've been happy 451 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: if she referred to it as his death either. This 452 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: is a twenty five year old girl who's literally grieving 453 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: the death of her boyfriend. I mean, I get that one. 454 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: D fans are upset, but we need to remember she 455 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: actually had a relationship with Liam. She didn't just know 456 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: him through his music or what we saw on TikTok. 457 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: This was a real relationship. And I also think because 458 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: Liam's death is still being investigated, she's mindful not to 459 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: refer to this as an accident or a crime. I 460 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: think that's why she said this was an event. Well, 461 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: you can see why she was probably rehearsing some of 462 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: these answers as well as if anyone would be if 463 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: they've got some sort of media team now. The interviewer 464 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: also asked about Liam's mental health and drug addiction. Somewhat clunkily, 465 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: I have to say, she asked Kate whether it came 466 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: out at the blue or what seemed to trigger him 467 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: that day. Here's what Kate said. 468 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: With addiction, you know, you just you never know when 469 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: it's gonna come out. It's a really serious issue that 470 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 3: I think is like under valued and underspoken about. 471 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: You know. 472 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: When I, like I said earlier, when I left Argentina, 473 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 3: we had such a great day and he was in 474 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: such a good headspace and we were in such you know, 475 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: great you know, we're just full of love and I 476 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 3: never would have expected any of that to occur. 477 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: In a subsequent interview with the Sun, which was not filmed, 478 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: Kate said Liam's relapse came hard and fast, and as 479 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: far as she was concerned, it came out of nowhere. 480 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: When she was asked what caused the relap, she said, 481 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: I don't think I want to answer that because I 482 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: literally wouldn't even know. It's interesting that she gave these 483 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: grabs when she wasn't being filmed it seems to me 484 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: that they filmed the initial interview and then were like, 485 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: we need a little bit more information, and potentially her 486 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: PR manager wrote those graps. Yeah, you could really tell 487 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: as well that it was important for Kate to reiterate 488 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: that on her end, there were no red flags before 489 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: she left and that Liam was in a good head 490 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: because she has been blamed people are saying, why would 491 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: you leave your partner when he's in such a bad 492 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: place mentally, Also to deflect from rumors that there was 493 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: potentially some sort of fight that triggered this whole event. 494 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean, again, it's not fair to blame her on 495 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: what has taken place, but I can see why she 496 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: would want to avoid anyone thinking that that actually had occurred. Well, 497 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: this whole idea of her abandoning him is what has 498 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: led to her receiving a lot of death threat and 499 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: what she described as the most unthinkable messages in her DMS. 500 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: It actually caused her to take a break offline for 501 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: some time, and she said, whilst it's hard, she will 502 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: never let anyone tell her how her relationship was with 503 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: Liam because they are the only two people who truly know. 504 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: She also wanted to describe their relationship as authentic, real, 505 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: and something you'd see out of a movie. I was 506 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: really relieved to hear that Kate didn't find out about 507 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: Liam's death online or through the media, because it seems 508 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: like a lot of his family members did find out 509 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: that way. One of Liam's friends actually broke the news 510 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: to her, and she said she'd been scrolled on TikTok 511 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: and was home alone with their dog when she got 512 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: the phone call. So she said that she blacked out 513 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: during the phone call and tried to convince herself that 514 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: it was just a rumor, that perhaps someone made it 515 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: up just to get views online. However, when it became 516 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: apparent that the news was in fact true, she said 517 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 1: that she still found it so difficult to believe. I mean, 518 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: I think that was a feeling a lot of us 519 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: were grappling with who didn't even know him, and especially 520 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: when she was so far away, like if you're in 521 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: a different country, I mean, imagine she probably would have 522 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: tried to call him a million times. She she said 523 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: she tried to call his phone, she was pacing around 524 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: the house. She couldn't sleep for the first night. She 525 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: said she felt numb and as though she had no 526 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: emotions as well, and she seemed to be in this 527 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: huge case of denial over the whole thing. She said 528 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: that it was also her first time experiencing grief of 529 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: this nature and that it has very much been coming 530 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: in waves now. The reality really sunk in for Kate 531 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: when she was sitting in the couple's new house with 532 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: her mum and she realized that she would never see 533 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: Liam again, and that they were never going to be 534 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: home to get and he wouldn't see the Halloween decorations 535 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: that she'd been setting up those few days that she'd 536 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: been home without him. Kate also revealed the last text 537 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: message that she sent to Liam when he was alive. 538 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: It read, I can't wait for you to come home 539 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: and for me, you and now to be a family 540 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: again together. I can't wait for you to see the 541 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: house that is just so sad now. The most uncomfortable 542 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: question for me came when their journalist asked Kate if 543 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 1: she foresaw Liam dying young, and she backed it up 544 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: by saying that she believed Liam had previously spoken about 545 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: that being a possibility. Here's what Kate had to say. 546 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: You know, you never think that the worst possible thing 547 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 3: can happen to you know, no matter what it is, 548 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: whether it's some a family member getting sick or just 549 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: a cur like, it doesn't matter. You never ever think 550 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: that's going to happen. And it's just I never would 551 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: have thought that it would ever, you know, have turned 552 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: out the way it did. And I'm still just you know, 553 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 3: wrapping my head around it. 554 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: Kate then said if she could see into the future, 555 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: she would have never left Argentina, but unfortunately they had 556 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: their own separate lives and this wasn't the first time 557 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: they traveled separately. I think the journalist was desperately trying 558 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: to get Kate to make some sort of comment about 559 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: her being concerned about his drug addiction. In part of 560 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: the interview, Kate admitted that she was a one D 561 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: fan growing up, and she actually had one direction on 562 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 1: her balls as a teenager. Well, I remember she had 563 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: a TikTok with Liam in it, and she had this 564 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: character of Liam on a popsticle stick, and she said 565 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: that this was a sign of manifestation because she had 566 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: created this as a child and look curious sitting on 567 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: her bed, and she said that she had a crush 568 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: on him ever since she was ten years old, which 569 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: I thought was really sweet, and she touched on Liam's 570 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: hopes for a One D reunion, saying this. 571 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: I think everybody had hopes for One Direction to do 572 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: a reunion at some point, So, you know, Liam, One 573 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: Direction was such a huge part in his life and 574 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: he would have been more than happy in the future 575 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: to do that. 576 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: I feel like Kate's comment is going to fuel further 577 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: speculation that One Direction will reunite for a special tribute 578 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: to Liam at this year's Brutal Awards. I'm already seeing 579 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: this all over my TikTok. The saddest thing is it 580 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: always appeared that it was Liam and not the other 581 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: guys that was pushing for this reunion. He really was 582 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: the heart of the band of the day. Well, I 583 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: saw that Louis was spotted at Zane's concert, so they 584 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: think that he's trying to mend things. I personally think 585 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: it won't happen, because, as you said, Amy, it seemed 586 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: like Liam was the one really trying to make it happen, 587 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: and it just wouldn't feel right if he wasn't there. Well, 588 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: I disagree. I think it could happen. I have told 589 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: you guys that ever since Limb passed away. My TikTok 590 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: feed has been full constantly for months now of One Direction, 591 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: and I've got to stop sending to me And after 592 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: piecing it all together, I really think that this could 593 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: be a fantastic tribute because he was so keen to 594 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: get everyone back together. I think that that's why they 595 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: might do it just for that night. They're not going 596 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: to get back together as a band, but I think 597 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: it's a beautiful tribute to Liam. I agree with you, 598 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: Sophie because a lot of the guys have been doing 599 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: their own solo tours, so while it would be a 600 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: nice tribute for Liam, it's also good promotion for themselves. 601 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: It was really sad because Kate mentioned that when Liam 602 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: passed away, the only way she could fall asleep was 603 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: by listening to his music, but then during the daytime 604 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: she felt like it wasn't helping her move on. She 605 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: was getting too emotional. So now whenever she hears One Direction, 606 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: she has to turn it down. Well, as expected, there 607 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: was a mixed reaction to Kate's interview, and her name 608 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: was trending on x. The backlash was fierced with many 609 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: One Direction fans slamming her decision to sell her story 610 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: to the Sun. One ex user wrote, someone who truly 611 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: loved or respected Liam wouldn't sell their story to a 612 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: sensationalized tabloid. This is neither bravery nor sincerity. It's pure 613 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: financial interest. Kate shows once again that for her money 614 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: outweighs respect for Liam's memory and those who still warn him. 615 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: Another ex user wrote, have a little attention, you're starving. God. 616 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: People are just awful. She's talking about her own experience 617 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: following his death, not really anything too personal to do 618 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: with Liam. Yet all these one direction fans can jump 619 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: online and say how heartbroken and upset they are by 620 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: someone that they've never met and have never had a relationship. 621 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: So there's been no confirmation that she was paid, and 622 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: we have no idea even if she was child I 623 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: think she would have been paid. But then again, why 624 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: can't she be paid for opening up and giving these 625 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: detail The thing is, she's not a rich celebrity. She 626 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: did date a rich celebrity and was living the high 627 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: life for some time, but we don't know what her 628 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: financial situation looks like now. Unfortunately, anything she did would 629 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: have been wrong to some of the fans. It was 630 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 1: awful because people were also accusing her of having crocodile tears, 631 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: and I couldn't actually believe it because one of the 632 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: moments when Kate broke down was when she was talking 633 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: about a trip she did recently with Liam to the 634 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: Northern Lights, and I felt myself getting emotional because she 635 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: spoke about how it was the most beautiful trip they'd 636 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: ever been on together, but what broke her heart was 637 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: the fact that they actually didn't get to see the 638 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Northern Lights and that she and Liam will never be 639 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: able to see them together again. And they had all 640 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: these cute photos of their trip, and I thought, how 641 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: can you question someone's emotions in that moment, not like 642 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: kid's married at for site where people get accused of 643 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: crocodile tears for attention, like this is actually someone who's 644 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: lost the love of their life. There was also a 645 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: lot of debate around whether she had botox in her forehead, 646 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: and people were saying, oh, well, maybe that's why she 647 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: can't cry properly, and that's why it's not believable. I 648 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: think this is the issue with TikTok and how news 649 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: is shared on that platform, because obviously the Sun is 650 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: going to cut that content up into bite sized pieces, 651 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: and you're not going to see the whole context of 652 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: the interview. So a bit of the intervieview might pop 653 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: up on your feed and she might look really happy 654 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: in it, so you might think, oh, well, she's moved 655 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: on pretty quickly. She's doing well for us. So I 656 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: just don't understand, though, how weird as a society can 657 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: be so vile and just go online and say, oh, 658 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: this person who's just lost her boyfriend, it must be 659 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: crocodile tears. How insane is that? But all of that 660 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: awful commentary did cause a wave of supporters to come 661 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: out in her defense. They called themselves the Cake Cassidy 662 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: Defense League, and they went into bat for her on 663 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: x SO. One said, man, this is so sad. I 664 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: can't imagine losing my boyfriend in such a terrible and 665 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: public way where deranged, parasocial fans keep blaming me for 666 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: his death. Ca Cassidy is so strong, whilst another said, wild, 667 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: how people villainize Ca Cassidy. Meanwhile, when Liam died, people 668 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: were demanding for her to speak. Damned if she does, 669 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: Damned if she doesn't. Life in a nutshell well, I 670 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: think that's a good place to leave it, because I 671 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: couldn't agree anymore with that sentiment. This podcast was recorded 672 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the 673 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: Adelaide Planes. 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