WEBVTT - 🎙️🏈 Dylan Buckley 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.280 Welcome to the Mason Cox Show. It's so good to 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:09.840 have you on as a listener. We're so excited for 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:11.560 you to be part of the community. And as with 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.400 any new community, we're looking to grow this thing, so like, share, comment, 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.680 all the good stuff. And we've got an amazing person 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.160 on for our first episode, Dylan Buckley. He has the 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.200 Dylan Friends podcast, he's got producing his own agency that 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:23.640 he's made out of this thing. He's done some pretty 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.680 amazing things in life, so we talk about his stuff 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.880 from football, mental health advocacy, talking about. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:29.080 His whole thing. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.920 Are you trained for a marathon in eight weeks? Insane? 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:33.239 And much much more so. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:33.680 Listen in. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.760 It's gonna be a great show and we're so excited 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:41.720 to have you as a listener. All right, everyone, welcome 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.159 to the Mason Cox Show. Now this is the first episode. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.280 Pretty stoked about this and we've got the og of 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.800 podcasting mister Dylan Buckley. You've got an amazing career in AFL. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.160 You've got forty one games to your name, eight seasons 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.320 between GWS and Carlton. But more importantly you've got the 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.920 number one sports podcast on Spot of Fire in Australia 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.120 with over one hundred and twenty episodes, four and a 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.200 half million downloads, one hundred thousand plus followers on Instagram, 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.160 and you've absolutely killed it. Man, you're the og, like 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.160 I said, of podcasting, and I'm so so impressed by 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.160 what you've been able to do transitioning out of football 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.160 and welcome, Welcome to the Amazing Cock Show. 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.440 Honestly, welcome, thank you. It's it's incredible to be your 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.759 first episode means a lot. I'm going to fact check 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.960 you on the food things you said. Firstly, you said 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.199 amazing career and you said forty one games, amazing career. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.160 Now I don't know if I don't know you're humor 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.880 that well yet, but I'm assuming you're taking the piece. Secondly, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.800 said four and a half million. That was maybe about 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:40.639 six months ago or popping up million now, nose stats 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:40.960 are there. 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:42.800 Well, I did a bit of research on you, and 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:44.479 I'm gonna I'm gonna start this off because I actually 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.240 went on Wikipedia, as you do for the first time 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.680 a Wikipedia. Yes, everything is one hundred cent tru Wikipedia. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.800 So I'm going to quote a few things from you. 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.520 You've apparently your height is one hundred and twenty centimeters 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.560 just three foot eleven inches. Your right is two kilos 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.520 and four pounds. For those Americans out there, your position 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:02.880 is emergency or doggie. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.600 It says, yeah, doggie, that's essentially it. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.600 And you've played nine hundred and sorry, you've kicked nine 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.440 hundred and ninety nine goals within your career. And one 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.240 of the best quotes I thought was he was described 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.560 by Carlton recruiting manager Wayne Hughes as a quick midfielder 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:25.200 with excellent disposal skills, which that was later was proven wrong. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:31.720 It's literally is a quote Wikipedia about you, so it is. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:33.880 It is quite an amazing I think to have you 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.760 on him, and I'm so excited to actually interview you. 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.000 It's you've got one of the most unique stories. I 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.359 feel like you've You've had an interesting career in IFL 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:46.200 and you've been able to, I guess, transition from AFL 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.800 into a career of podcasting, which is something I think 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.120 everyone admires you for and it's it's something you should 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.480 be very proud of, I think, and it's something that 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.040 no one else has done. I think you've transitioned from 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.720 football into the media industry quite quite just better than 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:01.880 anyone one else. That I really know, and you're doing 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.040 things with the AFL. Now you're doing your own podcast. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.519 You've got three or four different shows on there, and 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.880 you're starting your own producing production company and feel free 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:08.280 to shut. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:09.720 Them out producy producing. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.760 Yeah, and it's pretty amazing what you're doing with doing friends, mate, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.639 and it's a credit to you. But I kind of 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.040 want to get to know you a bit better. I know, 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.120 obviously you're behind the mic, probably interviewing other people and 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.400 telling their stories, but I want to get to know 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.120 more about what your story is personally. And it might 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.840 feel a bit weird because you usually probably want to 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.919 ask you questions, but I'm going to reverse this. I'm 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:29.520 gonna be one asking questions, You're gonna be the one 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.800 answering them. So we'll start off a bit of how 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.640 the podcast started. I know we can talk about AFL 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.200 and things along that, and I'll probably get into it, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.960 but I want to know, I guess how the podcast 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.920 started started. I know obviously you had Josh from Geobias 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.400 Stays as your first episode, which I listened to, which 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.440 was kind of crazy. How far you've been able to 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.160 come and how many episodes you've kind of been able 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.080 to branch off and do since then. But what was 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.960 the main reason you started podcasting? It was before really 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.320 podcasting was a big deal, I guess. 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.280 Yeah, so yeah, I suppose the stories are pretty intertwined 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.640 with the career as well. But firstly, thank you for 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.040 those very kind words. Very nice of you to hear 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.440 and love hearing that. No, so I started the podcast. Okay, 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.080 so I'd have to go back probably yeah, five six 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:13.400 years ago, I was playing with Carlton Footy Club and yeah, like, 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.280 my career was awesome. I absolutely loved my time in footy, 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.600 but it was a really stressful time for me or 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.679 something where like I loved playing footy, like I really 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.920 really loved it, but I struggled with like the identity 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:25.840 of being known as a footballer, and that was something 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.160 that I just didn't love because you know, if I 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:29.840 played a good game, I was a good person. If 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.719 I played a bad game as a bad person, and 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.279 I hated that and I was like, well, fuck, I 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.520 just wish that I could be sort of known maybe 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.560 more as just like deal On Buckley the person versus 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.599 deal In Buckley the football. This is a long winded an, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.600 so I'm sorry, but I'll keep going. So I was 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.080 at Carlton. I did you know, two one year deals 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.359 at Carlton, and it came to the end of that 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.120 going like you probably weren't going to get another deal. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.200 But through that whole time, I'd always had a really 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:52.920 keen eye on what was next and trying to find 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.479 something that I really enjoyed, because a really big fear 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.160 for me was going, look, I love playing footy. I 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.080 don't want to be a find as it, but also 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.599 I don't really have any passion outside of footy, and 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.960 I hope that one day when I leave, I'm not 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:05.440 that guy that sits in the pub and says, oh 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.760 I should have could have would have done this. So 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.240 through that, you know, I've got a big, big shout 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:11.960 out to Carlton media team. Theres a guy named Luca 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.280 Ganano there who's who's an og in just digital meter 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.360 in general, and he wanted me to start the show 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.560 called Discussions with Dylan, where I'd sit down with teammates 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.239 and and sort of interview players and end up getting 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:24.920 to listed from Carlton a couple of years later. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.680 I loved doing that and that was a really scary time. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.320 I know, you know, you had to chat with me 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.640 on your podcast about when maybe career is nearly two 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.440 and fro come to when you don't know what's next, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.640 and that scared the absolute suite out of me. Like 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.960 I was remember being at home and I remember like 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.720 having a mortgage, you know, my my my now wife 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.480 and my mum were actually with me at the time, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.840 and I was, you know, having to pay a mortgage 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.840 and just had had no idea when the next paycheck 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.720 was going to come. And I remember thinking, you know, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.880 if I get another chance to play footy, I'm never 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:56.640 going to waste that opportunity again. And I want to 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.000 sort out more my off field rather than than on field. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.200 So for me, you know, fortunately it was lucky enough 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.360 to get picked up by the Giants, and lucky for 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.479 me that was great. Unluckily for them, you could say 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.160 it didn't probably pan out the best that should on field, but. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:12.920 Two games, two goals for the games, two. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:16.200 Goals, two emissions, but un two of the best years 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.080 of my life, two years where I really really found myself. 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.640 I know that sounds a bit cringy, but you know, 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.839 similar to nowhere near as bigger movers as your story. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.200 But you know, I was a Muma's boy, had grown 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.280 up in the same area my whole life, lived at home, 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:30.839 went to school ten minutes down the road, played at 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.680 a club when my father went you know, played for 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.480 So I was in this inchula bubble without even knowing it, 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.839 you know, and had like really good friends. And when 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:39.480 I left to go to Sydney, it was the biggest 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.440 thing that ever happened, because I'd never ever thought I 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.520 would live away from Melbourne and I was there and 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.599 it just was a point for me and I realized, like, 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.719 if I need to do something with my life, like, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.440 I have to do it myself and no one else 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:52.080 can do it for me. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:53.440 Not trying to. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.560 Dramatize the story at all, but there was points where 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:56.839 I was like, fucking know what am I going to do? 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.080 So I ended up trying to get into radio, went 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.640 to a couple of radio So since in Sydney one radio. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.280 Station I'll never forget as the works experience I've ever 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:04.919 been to my life. I've actually sat there. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.760 I went there at like breakfast radio, sat there at 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.440 you know, four am till seven am, and just did 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.320 not say one word, like but they didn't even speak 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:12.520 to me. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.240 So I was like, you know what stuff this. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.280 I've been listening to crime podcasts and I was listening 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:21.840 to this podcast called Cereal, actually US podcast called Cereal, 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:27.960 which is a murder podcast Adnanzayid. It was the first 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.560 serial podcast and this was really new into podcasting, Like 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.800 I'm talking maybe twenty seventeen, when like people had the 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.120 app on their phone, but no one ever knew what 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:40.120 it did. Like everyone just like moved. You couldn't delete it. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.480 Everyone just kept like moving it like offscreen. And yeah, 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.320 I used to listen to that podcast, Heaps and a 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.120 lot of other crime podcasts. I was like, fuck, you know, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:52.160 maybe what I should do instead of you know, not 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.000 knowing what to do post footy, I'll sit down, I'll 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.040 do a podcast. I'll do like eight episodes interviewing my teammates. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:58.640 So then if I finish footy at the end of 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.760 the year, I'll be able to go to a radio 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.600 station and say like I've done something and like, you know, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.600 can you employ me? Like I will come work for 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.320 you at least I've done something. And I was like 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.880 the last time I was asking for jobs and like, well, 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.520 where's your experience? Yeah, like a resume, build exactly that, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.080 and yeah, that's how it all started. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:16.200 It's crazy, man. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.000 It's kind of interesting because I guess nowadays, like it's 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.040 kind of weird to think, but almost every team has 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.640 a podcast. It's essentially what you were the original of 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.000 doing and podcasting and interviewing everyone else. I know, Adel 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.760 always got one of starting this one myself, and I'm 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.640 not necessarily doing teammates. But it's just so kind of 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.199 crazy how you probably didn't realize how big this was 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.040 going to become. Did you ever kind of have the 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:39.679 idea when to be first started? Was it just kind 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.600 of like I need to put some effort and time 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.160 away from foot you just to clear my mind, have 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.520 a different passion to go to and then things like 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.400 what were the kind of I guess breakthrough moments. We're like, okay, 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.800 this is actually like getting a lot more traction than 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.360 I thought, and this might actually turn into a full 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:52.880 time gig. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:53.280 Yeah. 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.240 Well, I've always had a lot of respect for players 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.439 like yourself and even like Adam Tallah and Josh Dunkley 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.760 and Mitch Robinson and guys that are on AFL list 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.040 that are you know, you've been You've got good contracts 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:05.760 and you've been on AFL list and they still put 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.640 in this work. Because for me, the biggest factor was 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.040 like I knew that my time in foota was like 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.800 was imminently closing, and it was more I'd love to 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.960 say that I had this entrepreneurial growth that I was keen. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.079 To explore outside of footy, but the cold. 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.560 Art facts was if I didn't work something out, I 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.320 was gonna have no job. And that's like nearly the 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.120 podcast came out of fear, and it came out of 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.080 like going, you need to get your life together really, 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:33.280 like you need to work out what you want to 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.560 do and work it out. So it wasn't It wasn't 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.200 like I had this passion, which you know that came 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.360 later when I started doing it, but it was more 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.839 out of like a fear of you know, you're not. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:43.560 Going to have anything else. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.280 Yeah, the unknown. I was like, fuck, I need to 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:45.800 do something. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.040 But it's funny because when I was younger and you 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.320 talk about being one of the first to do this 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:52.959 stuff like I couldn't get a job on radio. I 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:54.800 couldn't get a job with you know, Channel seven or anything. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.600 I played forty one games like who the fuck who? 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.720 Wants to hear a forty one gamers opinion on like, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.720 you know, things when there's Brown Medalist giving giving stuff. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.760 So I think my biggest thing for that was like 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.480 I wanted to be a voice for you know, probably 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.240 the eighty percent of players that don't get to do 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.280 those things and don't get to experience the highs of footy, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.160 but they actually experienced the highs and the lows. And 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.760 that was a really big thing. And for me as well, 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:19.800 being a young guy, I really used to care a 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.760 lot about what people thought of me. Like I was 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:27.240 really maybe not self conscious, but you know if people 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.880 were like, oh that's that's you know, stupid, I was like, oh, yeah, okay, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:31.880 I won't do it. But as soon as I got 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.160 to the Giants and you speak about culture and people 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.280 I'd never met, and this isn't like having a gold 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:39.920 Carton or anything, but it's probably just the time we're 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.120 at where if you did something, you were shut down 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.640 and you were yeah, I was school footy mentality. And 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.480 then when I got to the Giants, I didn't even 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.280 know these guys and I was like, oh, I'm going 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.960 to start a podcast and they were like that's awesome. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.520 That's the best idea, Like, what do you want us 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.679 to do? We'll support you, will do this. So it's 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.360 like as soon as I got out of Melbourne, got 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.840 away from my support networks and put myself under that 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.200 pressure and surrounded myself with incredible people, Like my life 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.040 started to change, which is really really special. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.240 It's it's pretty amazing and like the early days. I 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.319 remember I actually watched a video if you bit of 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.320 research on your del and I watched a video and 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.600 I couldn't help but laugh whenever it told me that 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.480 you like, at the end of your career, right, the 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.559 AFLPA has this kind of like I guess gathering of 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.480 all the players they are retiring, yeah, and like it's 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.199 like what's the next you know kind of thing? And 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.079 you took a survey and what came out other survey? 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.680 When was you're most suited to become a blacksmith or 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:35.320 a florist. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.040 I know, to. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.160 Think where you're at now is like absolutely I remember 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.120 seeing that being like, can you imagine yourself as a blacksmith? 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:43.640 I don't even know if they still exist, to be honest, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:44.720 I don't know if they do either. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.000 I remember those camps though, but that that shows, you know, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.720 and it's even really cool to have a chat today 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.840 because I don't really reflect a lot on things. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.160 But there was a really big time there where I 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:55.680 just had. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:56.880 No fucking idea what I was going to do with 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.160 my life, like and it it's easy to look back 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:00.800 now and go, oh, that was an easy thing because 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.720 you sort of you forget about all those parts. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.200 But I remember those camps. I remember those transition camps. 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.079 Went to two of them, two delisting camps, and I 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.800 remember sitting there and your ego is something. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:11.480 It's a hard one. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.800 Like your ego I found it is a really good 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.559 thing sometimes because it makes you know what you deserve 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.080 and you know that entitlement. I think Chris Judd said 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:21.720 this on one of my shows once. He said, entitlement 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:26.480 gets a really bad connotation with life, and people say, oh, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.160 if you're entitled, you know you shouldn't do this. But 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.960 if you're entitled, sorry, if you've done the work, you 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.240 should be entitled because you you've done that, you put 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.880 the time and work in. Entitlement's only bad if you 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.360 haven't done the work. And when he said that to me, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.600 that's when sort of things started changing around that period 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.719 being like like this, like I am you know, I 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.360 should be entitled. Now I need to make I need 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.240 to change my mindset to be more like if I 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:50.920 can deserve this, you need to start going out and 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.440 getting things, because I think for you know, the Australian 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.600 culture sometimes is like you can't say anything until you've 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:57.840 done it, and I was like, well, I have done it, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:58.680 so I can do it. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.439 I think it's over the Australian culture. It's like top 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.040 poppy syndrome, slash fitting this box kind of thing, and 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.760 it's kind of cool whenever you actually have this experience 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:08.920 where you're doing something that's totally outside the box and 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.400 I would have done this before, so you kind of 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.760 have full control and creativity over it. I mean you 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.000 would have been sitting there saying like, oh, well, who 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.280 can I look at has a podcast? That's the explorer. 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.280 Who's going into the media, that's an explorer, And like 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.520 most people are going into media from the a f L. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.080 We're all doing statistical analysis and saying like this team 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.360 plays this way, and I'm gonna do this and that 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.320 where you're going that I was going to meet people 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.439 like we're the name of the show Dylan friends. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.560 I didn't sort of take too long to come up with. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:41.880 It was a pretty pretty soon amazing I think the 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.520 quicker the better when it comes to names. But now 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.480 you're right, I think going back to that part before 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:50.200 I said about with footballers and athletes and just people 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.559 in general have maybe that I look to be put 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.080 on not a pedestal, but people think, oh, that's that's 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:56.880 a cool thing. 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:58.360 We're all human. 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.160 And my biggest part was what I hated when I 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.600 played footy was players people my mates would be like, oh, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.079 what's Mason Cox like? And I've got mate, he's the 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.560 best bloker, but no, I don't like him. And I'm like, well, 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.320 you don't know him. And then they go, oh, what's 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.840 Dylan Buckley like? And they and they go he looks 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.680 like a legend. I go, nah, he's actually the worst 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:20.440 bloke on the list. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:20.680 Like. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.880 So for me, the show was all about going like, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.200 let's get these guys that I love and that I 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.000 really respect and show I don't just like them for 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.360 what they do, but like them for who they are. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.880 And that was another part that was really strong, and 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:35.600 that's the concept really the whole show, and that's why 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:36.760 I enjoy doing it. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.080 That's the bitty other I think is you're humanizing these 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.560 people and people put on a pedestal, and it's kind 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.720 of weird because in Australia, no one's I guess, like 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.320 on an international level, there's very minimal people on an 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.280 international level, there are known and like we sometimes put 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:53.880 these Australian athletes on this pedestal whenever, like they go 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:55.720 down the street and go have dinner and just as 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.520 there are anyone else would, or go to the shops 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.520 and get you know, their groceries, just as anyone else would. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.880 And it's kind of weird to think that people like 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.920 necessarily idolize them. But just because they have this platform, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.640 it's as though you know, it's someone you can't like 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.120 kind of find a middle ground and share experiences with. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.760 But one thing I think I've noticed in meeting people 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.800 I guess that are higher up in society, whoever it 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.680 may be, you're kind of people with status or you know, 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.040 have done some amazing. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.920 Things in life, is you're just human. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.160 I can talk about meeting Joe Biden, who's the President 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:24.720 of the United States, or Tiger Woods, and it's like 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.720 we talked about the same thing that I would talk 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.960 about with any Joe block off like the street, just 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.000 because that's I don't know, You're all human at the 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.320 end of the day, and it's kind of cool. 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:32.840 It's a cool thing. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.800 I'm sure you would have experienced, I guess with being 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.600 able to interview people. But I'm also interested in kind 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.640 of psychology around interviewing people. Right, So you're very kind 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.360 of humble, very kind of necessarily quiet, but you will 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.920 be like an extroverted person, I would say, in a 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.000 sense of some people out there in the media, and 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.120 you're kind of just quiet and calm nature about things. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.600 I think helps people open up quite a bit. Has 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.800 that always been something you've had or is it something 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.920 you've had to work on as far as being able 0:15:59.920 --> 0:16:01.080 to so, I guess be on the other side of 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.200 the mic interviewing people and trying to bring out I guess, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.840 personal stories from people and be able to, you know, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.560 be able to find a middle ground that you can 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.320 connect with them on whenever you're podcasting. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.280 Yeah. Well, I think the funny thing about that is, like, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.280 I never study journalism. I'm not a I don't see 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.240 myself as a journalist or anything like that. You know, 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.920 that's something that people study at and for me, I 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.760 don't even think that I interview people. I think that 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.240