Speaker 1: Welcome to the Mason Cox Show. It's so good to
Speaker 1: have you on as a listener. We're so excited for
Speaker 1: you to be part of the community. And as with
Speaker 1: any new community, we're looking to grow this thing, so like, share, comment,
Speaker 1: all the good stuff. And we've got an amazing person
Speaker 1: on for our first episode, Dylan Buckley. He has the
Speaker 1: Dylan Friends podcast, he's got producing his own agency that
Speaker 1: he's made out of this thing. He's done some pretty
Speaker 1: amazing things in life, so we talk about his stuff
Speaker 1: from football, mental health advocacy, talking about.
Speaker 2: His whole thing.
Speaker 1: Are you trained for a marathon in eight weeks? Insane?
Speaker 1: And much much more so.
Speaker 2: Listen in.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great show and we're so excited
Speaker 1: to have you as a listener. All right, everyone, welcome
Speaker 1: to the Mason Cox Show. Now this is the first episode.
Speaker 1: Pretty stoked about this and we've got the og of
Speaker 1: podcasting mister Dylan Buckley. You've got an amazing career in AFL.
Speaker 1: You've got forty one games to your name, eight seasons
Speaker 1: between GWS and Carlton. But more importantly you've got the
Speaker 1: number one sports podcast on Spot of Fire in Australia
Speaker 1: with over one hundred and twenty episodes, four and a
Speaker 1: half million downloads, one hundred thousand plus followers on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and you've absolutely killed it. Man, you're the og, like
Speaker 1: I said, of podcasting, and I'm so so impressed by
Speaker 1: what you've been able to do transitioning out of football
Speaker 1: and welcome, Welcome to the Amazing Cock Show.
Speaker 3: Honestly, welcome, thank you. It's it's incredible to be your
Speaker 3: first episode means a lot. I'm going to fact check
Speaker 3: you on the food things you said. Firstly, you said
Speaker 3: amazing career and you said forty one games, amazing career.
Speaker 3: Now I don't know if I don't know you're humor
Speaker 3: that well yet, but I'm assuming you're taking the piece. Secondly,
Speaker 3: said four and a half million. That was maybe about
Speaker 3: six months ago or popping up million now, nose stats
Speaker 3: are there.
Speaker 1: Well, I did a bit of research on you, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna start this off because I actually
Speaker 1: went on Wikipedia, as you do for the first time
Speaker 1: a Wikipedia. Yes, everything is one hundred cent tru Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to quote a few things from you.
Speaker 1: You've apparently your height is one hundred and twenty centimeters
Speaker 1: just three foot eleven inches. Your right is two kilos
Speaker 1: and four pounds. For those Americans out there, your position
Speaker 1: is emergency or doggie.
Speaker 2: It says, yeah, doggie, that's essentially it.
Speaker 1: And you've played nine hundred and sorry, you've kicked nine
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety nine goals within your career. And one
Speaker 1: of the best quotes I thought was he was described
Speaker 1: by Carlton recruiting manager Wayne Hughes as a quick midfielder
Speaker 1: with excellent disposal skills, which that was later was proven wrong.
Speaker 1: It's literally is a quote Wikipedia about you, so it is.
Speaker 1: It is quite an amazing I think to have you
Speaker 1: on him, and I'm so excited to actually interview you.
Speaker 1: It's you've got one of the most unique stories. I
Speaker 1: feel like you've You've had an interesting career in IFL
Speaker 1: and you've been able to, I guess, transition from AFL
Speaker 1: into a career of podcasting, which is something I think
Speaker 1: everyone admires you for and it's it's something you should
Speaker 1: be very proud of, I think, and it's something that
Speaker 1: no one else has done. I think you've transitioned from
Speaker 1: football into the media industry quite quite just better than
Speaker 1: anyone one else. That I really know, and you're doing
Speaker 1: things with the AFL. Now you're doing your own podcast.
Speaker 1: You've got three or four different shows on there, and
Speaker 1: you're starting your own producing production company and feel free
Speaker 1: to shut.
Speaker 2: Them out producy producing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's pretty amazing what you're doing with doing friends, mate,
Speaker 1: and it's a credit to you. But I kind of
Speaker 1: want to get to know you a bit better. I know,
Speaker 1: obviously you're behind the mic, probably interviewing other people and
Speaker 1: telling their stories, but I want to get to know
Speaker 1: more about what your story is personally. And it might
Speaker 1: feel a bit weird because you usually probably want to
Speaker 1: ask you questions, but I'm going to reverse this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be one asking questions, You're gonna be the one
Speaker 1: answering them. So we'll start off a bit of how
Speaker 1: the podcast started. I know we can talk about AFL
Speaker 1: and things along that, and I'll probably get into it,
Speaker 1: but I want to know, I guess how the podcast
Speaker 1: started started. I know obviously you had Josh from Geobias
Speaker 1: Stays as your first episode, which I listened to, which
Speaker 1: was kind of crazy. How far you've been able to
Speaker 1: come and how many episodes you've kind of been able
Speaker 1: to branch off and do since then. But what was
Speaker 1: the main reason you started podcasting? It was before really
Speaker 1: podcasting was a big deal, I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I suppose the stories are pretty intertwined
Speaker 3: with the career as well. But firstly, thank you for
Speaker 3: those very kind words. Very nice of you to hear
Speaker 3: and love hearing that. No, so I started the podcast. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I'd have to go back probably yeah, five six
Speaker 3: years ago, I was playing with Carlton Footy Club and yeah, like,
Speaker 3: my career was awesome. I absolutely loved my time in footy,
Speaker 3: but it was a really stressful time for me or
Speaker 3: something where like I loved playing footy, like I really
Speaker 3: really loved it, but I struggled with like the identity
Speaker 3: of being known as a footballer, and that was something
Speaker 3: that I just didn't love because you know, if I
Speaker 3: played a good game, I was a good person. If
Speaker 3: I played a bad game as a bad person, and
Speaker 3: I hated that and I was like, well, fuck, I
Speaker 3: just wish that I could be sort of known maybe
Speaker 3: more as just like deal On Buckley the person versus
Speaker 3: deal In Buckley the football. This is a long winded an,
Speaker 3: so I'm sorry, but I'll keep going. So I was
Speaker 3: at Carlton. I did you know, two one year deals
Speaker 3: at Carlton, and it came to the end of that
Speaker 3: going like you probably weren't going to get another deal.
Speaker 3: But through that whole time, I'd always had a really
Speaker 3: keen eye on what was next and trying to find
Speaker 3: something that I really enjoyed, because a really big fear
Speaker 3: for me was going, look, I love playing footy. I
Speaker 3: don't want to be a find as it, but also
Speaker 3: I don't really have any passion outside of footy, and
Speaker 3: I hope that one day when I leave, I'm not
Speaker 3: that guy that sits in the pub and says, oh
Speaker 3: I should have could have would have done this. So
Speaker 3: through that, you know, I've got a big, big shout
Speaker 3: out to Carlton media team. Theres a guy named Luca
Speaker 3: Ganano there who's who's an og in just digital meter
Speaker 3: in general, and he wanted me to start the show
Speaker 3: called Discussions with Dylan, where I'd sit down with teammates
Speaker 3: and and sort of interview players and end up getting
Speaker 3: to listed from Carlton a couple of years later.
Speaker 4: I loved doing that and that was a really scary time.
Speaker 3: I know, you know, you had to chat with me
Speaker 3: on your podcast about when maybe career is nearly two
Speaker 3: and fro come to when you don't know what's next,
Speaker 3: and that scared the absolute suite out of me. Like
Speaker 3: I was remember being at home and I remember like
Speaker 3: having a mortgage, you know, my my my now wife
Speaker 3: and my mum were actually with me at the time,
Speaker 3: and I was, you know, having to pay a mortgage
Speaker 3: and just had had no idea when the next paycheck
Speaker 3: was going to come. And I remember thinking, you know,
Speaker 3: if I get another chance to play footy, I'm never
Speaker 3: going to waste that opportunity again. And I want to
Speaker 3: sort out more my off field rather than than on field.
Speaker 3: So for me, you know, fortunately it was lucky enough
Speaker 3: to get picked up by the Giants, and lucky for
Speaker 3: me that was great. Unluckily for them, you could say
Speaker 3: it didn't probably pan out the best that should on field, but.
Speaker 2: Two games, two goals for the games, two.
Speaker 3: Goals, two emissions, but un two of the best years
Speaker 3: of my life, two years where I really really found myself.
Speaker 3: I know that sounds a bit cringy, but you know,
Speaker 3: similar to nowhere near as bigger movers as your story.
Speaker 3: But you know, I was a Muma's boy, had grown
Speaker 3: up in the same area my whole life, lived at home,
Speaker 3: went to school ten minutes down the road, played at
Speaker 3: a club when my father went you know, played for
Speaker 3: So I was in this inchula bubble without even knowing it,
Speaker 3: you know, and had like really good friends. And when
Speaker 3: I left to go to Sydney, it was the biggest
Speaker 3: thing that ever happened, because I'd never ever thought I
Speaker 3: would live away from Melbourne and I was there and
Speaker 3: it just was a point for me and I realized, like,
Speaker 3: if I need to do something with my life, like,
Speaker 3: I have to do it myself and no one else
Speaker 3: can do it for me.
Speaker 4: Not trying to.
Speaker 3: Dramatize the story at all, but there was points where
Speaker 3: I was like, fucking know what am I going to do?
Speaker 3: So I ended up trying to get into radio, went
Speaker 3: to a couple of radio So since in Sydney one radio.
Speaker 4: Station I'll never forget as the works experience I've ever
Speaker 4: been to my life. I've actually sat there.
Speaker 3: I went there at like breakfast radio, sat there at
Speaker 3: you know, four am till seven am, and just did
Speaker 3: not say one word, like but they didn't even speak
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 4: So I was like, you know what stuff this.
Speaker 3: I've been listening to crime podcasts and I was listening
Speaker 3: to this podcast called Cereal, actually US podcast called Cereal,
Speaker 3: which is a murder podcast Adnanzayid. It was the first
Speaker 3: serial podcast and this was really new into podcasting, Like
Speaker 3: I'm talking maybe twenty seventeen, when like people had the
Speaker 3: app on their phone, but no one ever knew what
Speaker 3: it did. Like everyone just like moved. You couldn't delete it.
Speaker 3: Everyone just kept like moving it like offscreen. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I used to listen to that podcast, Heaps and a
Speaker 3: lot of other crime podcasts. I was like, fuck, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe what I should do instead of you know, not
Speaker 3: knowing what to do post footy, I'll sit down, I'll
Speaker 3: do a podcast. I'll do like eight episodes interviewing my teammates.
Speaker 3: So then if I finish footy at the end of
Speaker 3: the year, I'll be able to go to a radio
Speaker 3: station and say like I've done something and like, you know,
Speaker 3: can you employ me? Like I will come work for
Speaker 3: you at least I've done something. And I was like
Speaker 3: the last time I was asking for jobs and like, well,
Speaker 3: where's your experience? Yeah, like a resume, build exactly that,
Speaker 3: and yeah, that's how it all started.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, man.
Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting because I guess nowadays, like it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird to think, but almost every team has
Speaker 1: a podcast. It's essentially what you were the original of
Speaker 1: doing and podcasting and interviewing everyone else. I know, Adel
Speaker 1: always got one of starting this one myself, and I'm
Speaker 1: not necessarily doing teammates. But it's just so kind of
Speaker 1: crazy how you probably didn't realize how big this was
Speaker 1: going to become. Did you ever kind of have the
Speaker 1: idea when to be first started? Was it just kind
Speaker 1: of like I need to put some effort and time
Speaker 1: away from foot you just to clear my mind, have
Speaker 1: a different passion to go to and then things like
Speaker 1: what were the kind of I guess breakthrough moments. We're like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is actually like getting a lot more traction than
Speaker 1: I thought, and this might actually turn into a full
Speaker 1: time gig.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I've always had a lot of respect for players
Speaker 3: like yourself and even like Adam Tallah and Josh Dunkley
Speaker 3: and Mitch Robinson and guys that are on AFL list
Speaker 3: that are you know, you've been You've got good contracts
Speaker 3: and you've been on AFL list and they still put
Speaker 3: in this work. Because for me, the biggest factor was
Speaker 3: like I knew that my time in foota was like
Speaker 3: was imminently closing, and it was more I'd love to
Speaker 3: say that I had this entrepreneurial growth that I was keen.
Speaker 4: To explore outside of footy, but the cold.
Speaker 3: Art facts was if I didn't work something out, I
Speaker 3: was gonna have no job. And that's like nearly the
Speaker 3: podcast came out of fear, and it came out of
Speaker 3: like going, you need to get your life together really,
Speaker 3: like you need to work out what you want to
Speaker 3: do and work it out. So it wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 3: like I had this passion, which you know that came
Speaker 3: later when I started doing it, but it was more
Speaker 3: out of like a fear of you know, you're not.
Speaker 2: Going to have anything else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the unknown. I was like, fuck, I need to
Speaker 4: do something.
Speaker 3: But it's funny because when I was younger and you
Speaker 3: talk about being one of the first to do this
Speaker 3: stuff like I couldn't get a job on radio. I
Speaker 3: couldn't get a job with you know, Channel seven or anything.
Speaker 3: I played forty one games like who the fuck who?
Speaker 3: Wants to hear a forty one gamers opinion on like,
Speaker 3: you know, things when there's Brown Medalist giving giving stuff.
Speaker 3: So I think my biggest thing for that was like
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a voice for you know, probably
Speaker 3: the eighty percent of players that don't get to do
Speaker 3: those things and don't get to experience the highs of footy,
Speaker 3: but they actually experienced the highs and the lows. And
Speaker 3: that was a really big thing. And for me as well,
Speaker 3: being a young guy, I really used to care a
Speaker 3: lot about what people thought of me. Like I was
Speaker 3: really maybe not self conscious, but you know if people
Speaker 3: were like, oh that's that's you know, stupid, I was like, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: I won't do it. But as soon as I got
Speaker 3: to the Giants and you speak about culture and people
Speaker 3: I'd never met, and this isn't like having a gold
Speaker 3: Carton or anything, but it's probably just the time we're
Speaker 3: at where if you did something, you were shut down
Speaker 3: and you were yeah, I was school footy mentality. And
Speaker 3: then when I got to the Giants, I didn't even
Speaker 3: know these guys and I was like, oh, I'm going
Speaker 3: to start a podcast and they were like that's awesome.
Speaker 3: That's the best idea, Like, what do you want us
Speaker 3: to do? We'll support you, will do this. So it's
Speaker 3: like as soon as I got out of Melbourne, got
Speaker 3: away from my support networks and put myself under that
Speaker 3: pressure and surrounded myself with incredible people, Like my life
Speaker 3: started to change, which is really really special.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty amazing and like the early days. I
Speaker 1: remember I actually watched a video if you bit of
Speaker 1: research on your del and I watched a video and
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but laugh whenever it told me that
Speaker 1: you like, at the end of your career, right, the
Speaker 1: AFLPA has this kind of like I guess gathering of
Speaker 1: all the players they are retiring, yeah, and like it's
Speaker 1: like what's the next you know kind of thing? And
Speaker 1: you took a survey and what came out other survey?
Speaker 1: When was you're most suited to become a blacksmith or
Speaker 1: a florist.
Speaker 4: I know, to.
Speaker 1: Think where you're at now is like absolutely I remember
Speaker 1: seeing that being like, can you imagine yourself as a blacksmith?
Speaker 2: I don't even know if they still exist, to be honest,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they do either.
Speaker 3: I remember those camps though, but that that shows, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's even really cool to have a chat today
Speaker 3: because I don't really reflect a lot on things.
Speaker 4: But there was a really big time there where I
Speaker 4: just had.
Speaker 3: No fucking idea what I was going to do with
Speaker 3: my life, like and it it's easy to look back
Speaker 3: now and go, oh, that was an easy thing because
Speaker 3: you sort of you forget about all those parts.
Speaker 4: But I remember those camps. I remember those transition camps.
Speaker 3: Went to two of them, two delisting camps, and I
Speaker 3: remember sitting there and your ego is something.
Speaker 4: It's a hard one.
Speaker 3: Like your ego I found it is a really good
Speaker 3: thing sometimes because it makes you know what you deserve
Speaker 3: and you know that entitlement. I think Chris Judd said
Speaker 3: this on one of my shows once. He said, entitlement
Speaker 3: gets a really bad connotation with life, and people say, oh,
Speaker 3: if you're entitled, you know you shouldn't do this. But
Speaker 3: if you're entitled, sorry, if you've done the work, you
Speaker 3: should be entitled because you you've done that, you put
Speaker 3: the time and work in. Entitlement's only bad if you
Speaker 3: haven't done the work. And when he said that to me,
Speaker 3: that's when sort of things started changing around that period
Speaker 3: being like like this, like I am you know, I
Speaker 3: should be entitled. Now I need to make I need
Speaker 3: to change my mindset to be more like if I
Speaker 3: can deserve this, you need to start going out and
Speaker 3: getting things, because I think for you know, the Australian
Speaker 3: culture sometimes is like you can't say anything until you've
Speaker 3: done it, and I was like, well, I have done it,
Speaker 3: so I can do it.
Speaker 1: I think it's over the Australian culture. It's like top
Speaker 1: poppy syndrome, slash fitting this box kind of thing, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool whenever you actually have this experience
Speaker 1: where you're doing something that's totally outside the box and
Speaker 1: I would have done this before, so you kind of
Speaker 1: have full control and creativity over it. I mean you
Speaker 1: would have been sitting there saying like, oh, well, who
Speaker 1: can I look at has a podcast? That's the explorer.
Speaker 1: Who's going into the media, that's an explorer, And like
Speaker 1: most people are going into media from the a f L.
Speaker 1: We're all doing statistical analysis and saying like this team
Speaker 1: plays this way, and I'm gonna do this and that
Speaker 1: where you're going that I was going to meet people
Speaker 1: like we're the name of the show Dylan friends.
Speaker 3: I didn't sort of take too long to come up with.
Speaker 3: It was a pretty pretty soon amazing I think the
Speaker 3: quicker the better when it comes to names. But now
Speaker 3: you're right, I think going back to that part before
Speaker 3: I said about with footballers and athletes and just people
Speaker 3: in general have maybe that I look to be put
Speaker 3: on not a pedestal, but people think, oh, that's that's
Speaker 3: a cool thing.
Speaker 4: We're all human.
Speaker 3: And my biggest part was what I hated when I
Speaker 3: played footy was players people my mates would be like, oh,
Speaker 3: what's Mason Cox like? And I've got mate, he's the
Speaker 3: best bloker, but no, I don't like him. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: you don't know him. And then they go, oh, what's
Speaker 3: Dylan Buckley like? And they and they go he looks
Speaker 3: like a legend. I go, nah, he's actually the worst
Speaker 3: bloke on the list.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 3: So for me, the show was all about going like,
Speaker 3: let's get these guys that I love and that I
Speaker 3: really respect and show I don't just like them for
Speaker 3: what they do, but like them for who they are.
Speaker 3: And that was another part that was really strong, and
Speaker 3: that's the concept really the whole show, and that's why
Speaker 3: I enjoy doing it.
Speaker 1: That's the bitty other I think is you're humanizing these
Speaker 1: people and people put on a pedestal, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird because in Australia, no one's I guess, like
Speaker 1: on an international level, there's very minimal people on an
Speaker 1: international level, there are known and like we sometimes put
Speaker 1: these Australian athletes on this pedestal whenever, like they go
Speaker 1: down the street and go have dinner and just as
Speaker 1: there are anyone else would, or go to the shops
Speaker 1: and get you know, their groceries, just as anyone else would.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of weird to think that people like
Speaker 1: necessarily idolize them. But just because they have this platform,
Speaker 1: it's as though you know, it's someone you can't like
Speaker 1: kind of find a middle ground and share experiences with.
Speaker 1: But one thing I think I've noticed in meeting people
Speaker 1: I guess that are higher up in society, whoever it
Speaker 1: may be, you're kind of people with status or you know,
Speaker 1: have done some amazing.
Speaker 2: Things in life, is you're just human.
Speaker 1: I can talk about meeting Joe Biden, who's the President
Speaker 1: of the United States, or Tiger Woods, and it's like
Speaker 1: we talked about the same thing that I would talk
Speaker 1: about with any Joe block off like the street, just
Speaker 1: because that's I don't know, You're all human at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, and it's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: It's a cool thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would have experienced, I guess with being
Speaker 1: able to interview people. But I'm also interested in kind
Speaker 1: of psychology around interviewing people. Right, So you're very kind
Speaker 1: of humble, very kind of necessarily quiet, but you will
Speaker 1: be like an extroverted person, I would say, in a
Speaker 1: sense of some people out there in the media, and
Speaker 1: you're kind of just quiet and calm nature about things.
Speaker 1: I think helps people open up quite a bit. Has
Speaker 1: that always been something you've had or is it something
Speaker 1: you've had to work on as far as being able
Speaker 1: to so, I guess be on the other side of
Speaker 1: the mic interviewing people and trying to bring out I guess,
Speaker 1: personal stories from people and be able to, you know,
Speaker 1: be able to find a middle ground that you can
Speaker 1: connect with them on whenever you're podcasting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think the funny thing about that is, like,
Speaker 3: I never study journalism. I'm not a I don't see
Speaker 3: myself as a journalist or anything like that. You know,
Speaker 3: that's something that people study at and for me, I
Speaker 3: don't even think that I interview people. I think that
Speaker 3: I just genuinely have a conversation and that's what I
Speaker 3: love doing. Like I'm here not here saying that there
Speaker 3: are a lot of work goes into things, because, to
Speaker 3: be honest, sometimes I think the more I put into
Speaker 3: a show, the less results I get because I try
Speaker 3: and push on certain things. But for me, honestly, I
Speaker 3: just try and have a chat with people. I have
Speaker 3: like three or four points that I'd love to touch on,
Speaker 3: and I'm always just so grateful for people for coming
Speaker 3: on and just interested. I think, like if anyone wants
Speaker 3: to start a podcast, you know, someone told me this once.
Speaker 3: It's like, don't be interesting, be interested, or maybe the
Speaker 3: other way around, or is yeah, don't be in, just
Speaker 3: be interested, be interested in other people, and I am.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: Like even when I was at Carlton, I used to
Speaker 3: have this really weird thing. I used to love going
Speaker 3: of those corporate days and talking to like the successful
Speaker 3: people and they're like, oh I do this, and I'm
Speaker 3: like but how like how does that work? Because I
Speaker 3: just don't get it. I didn't get it in my head.
Speaker 3: I was just like, I don't get how you because
Speaker 3: you leave school, then what happens? Because I left school
Speaker 3: and I went straight to footage, So I'm like, what
Speaker 3: happened for you? You go to you need to do this,
Speaker 3: and they go I did this and I got this break,
Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, then what happened? And then
Speaker 3: I'm like, then what happened? Like then, because I just
Speaker 3: wanted I wanted to understand how it works. And even
Speaker 3: with you, I'm in the normal in the real world
Speaker 3: now and even when I was there, I still go
Speaker 3: to people.
Speaker 4: But what do you do? Like when people are at jobs,
Speaker 4: Like who tells you.
Speaker 2: What to do?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? I don't know how that works,
Speaker 4: you know, because I've always sort of worked.
Speaker 2: Ninetist, how does that work?
Speaker 4: Like, I'm just interested in bus essentially straight out of
Speaker 4: the AFL.
Speaker 3: More so just I'm interested in how people live their lives,
Speaker 3: especially because what's interesting to me might not be interesting
Speaker 3: to you, but things to you might have insued me.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I love chatting with people, love just breaking
Speaker 3: things down, and I think for me, something that I've
Speaker 3: found was really hard about the.
Speaker 4: Whole, like chatting with people think.
Speaker 3: The only thing that I've probably worked on a bit,
Speaker 3: which you know, I hope people understand that when I
Speaker 3: talk to people and bring my own myself into the story.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I do that just to like let the guests
Speaker 3: know that they can tell a story about themselves. So
Speaker 3: if they're not opening up and they're not, they're not
Speaker 3: they feel they don't want to talk too much about
Speaker 3: themselves because it's really hard to tell your own story.
Speaker 3: You feel like I'm a bit of a floggy, like,
Speaker 3: you know, telling my story. But if you, you know,
Speaker 3: tell a little story first, then they go, oh, I can,
Speaker 3: I can tell stories.
Speaker 4: I'll tell a story.
Speaker 3: So that's just one thing that I've picked up which
Speaker 3: has been been really successful in the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm reading a book at the moment, Cold
Speaker 1: how to Make How to Win friends and Influence people
Speaker 1: my del Cinne. If I've heard of it, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely get onto if you haven't, and it talks about
Speaker 1: how to be interesting about people is to ask them questions.
Speaker 1: It's not to tell tell people things. Is actually ask
Speaker 1: people questions, so I'll try to get more out of them.
Speaker 1: Is there any books or anything that you've done research wise.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I think of this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Right, So, COVID for two years, we as a society
Speaker 1: of Australia have had zero interactions with people, right, so
Speaker 1: we've kind of taken a step back, I guess and
Speaker 1: being able to grow as humans as far as that.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people, including myself, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if you've felt the same, have struggled at
Speaker 1: times to whenever it first came out to have conversations
Speaker 1: with people. She's a bit rusty in this. I can't
Speaker 1: really know what to say, what to talk about, like
Speaker 1: what's going on? I don't want to talk about COVID,
Speaker 1: but like somehow it comes up in every conversation type deal,
Speaker 1: like is that something so that you experienced wine? And
Speaker 1: then two, do you have any advice for someone who
Speaker 1: maybe is not the great a great conversationalist, but wants
Speaker 1: to be better in that and improve that aspect of life.
Speaker 4: Definitely? I think the biggest thing we've already touched on
Speaker 4: is just ask questions.
Speaker 3: You do not have to talk like people love without
Speaker 3: knowing people love talking about themselves, like not necessarily just
Speaker 3: on a podcast, but if someone comes up and they're
Speaker 3: really interest what you have to say.
Speaker 4: You love giving that information.
Speaker 3: So I think people that might be struggling or aren't
Speaker 3: as confident in public situations just ask questions and just
Speaker 3: listen to what people are saying. There's always a question
Speaker 3: to follow up with. You know, I did this, how'd
Speaker 3: you do that? Why did you do that?
Speaker 4: You know, like who what? When we're well, they're like
Speaker 4: we learned that in primary school.
Speaker 3: It's so sort of in our brains, but we sort
Speaker 3: of forget it when we're in that pressure. So I
Speaker 3: think those is a really big way to do so
Speaker 3: for me, Like during COVID.
Speaker 4: I was still that honestly kept me saying.
Speaker 3: I think to this day one of the biggest blessings
Speaker 3: for me and I only realized this six months ago,
Speaker 3: was that for me, like I loved, you know, trying
Speaker 3: to be mindfulness and I love, you know, trying to
Speaker 3: be the best version of myself I can be. And
Speaker 3: someone said to me the other day, They're like, oh,
Speaker 3: what do you do to do that? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: fucking I've tried so many things. I've tried breath work,
Speaker 3: I've tried this stuff. And don't get me wrong, I
Speaker 3: love that stuff, but I've struggled to be consistent with it.
Speaker 3: And then I thought, the only thing that I've been
Speaker 3: consistent with for three years is an no hour of
Speaker 3: a week, I turn my phone off, I sit down
Speaker 3: with a guest and I talk to them, and I'm
Speaker 3: so entrenched in the conversation and I learned from them,
Speaker 3: and when I'm in that conversation, I'm not thinking about
Speaker 3: anything else.
Speaker 4: So I was like, I've been doing mine for it.
Speaker 4: I've been doing you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: That is like it's literally just having conversations with people
Speaker 3: without any distraction. Like it's nearly the best gift I
Speaker 3: can ever have to myself that without even knowing, you know,
Speaker 3: that's a job. But like I see it back and
Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck, I can't believe I'm actually lucky enough
Speaker 3: to do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Man's it's great to hear and if someone finds their
Speaker 1: passion and then makes it a career and knows that
Speaker 1: that's something I've been able to very quickly get off
Speaker 1: of you is the fact that you do love your job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would even call it.
Speaker 1: Like it's more of your I guess industry that you're
Speaker 1: working in you just love and you absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: You've got your different podcasts and you shut.
Speaker 3: Up doing friends list cloggers. We started a couple other ones,
Speaker 3: ones called two hundred plus. You've got to get on
Speaker 3: that one. Three Boys of the Competition, Bromlely Lynch and
Speaker 3: not a couple of twins from Ballorada Sada Show with
Speaker 3: Give One with Spotify, Cade McDonald.
Speaker 4: God, I can't forget any busy. I hope I haven't
Speaker 4: got any Who's your favorite?
Speaker 2: This is tough to go. Who's your favorite guest you've
Speaker 2: ever had on THEE?
Speaker 4: I'd have to say one, A couple of guests. Two
Speaker 4: really stick it.
Speaker 2: It's so hard.
Speaker 4: I'm going to say three. Three guests.
Speaker 3: One because it changed the game for me and it
Speaker 3: changed what in what sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah, one was Zack Dawson.
Speaker 3: So it changed the game because he came on and
Speaker 3: we had this most It was the first time where
Speaker 3: we had this like the most raw and authentic conversation
Speaker 3: and he opened up about his story in like a
Speaker 3: f l and you know how he was I'm not
Speaker 3: sure if you're familiar with his story, but you know
Speaker 3: he'd been to Hawthorne and.
Speaker 4: You know, had like eight goals.
Speaker 3: Kicked on him in his first game, so he sort
Speaker 3: of had this reputation already. Then went to Saint Kilda
Speaker 3: and had a couple of things happened there, and then
Speaker 3: he went to Freeman and just got always trolled online.
Speaker 4: But was the most beautiful person in the world.
Speaker 3: And when I was talking before about that anecdote of like,
Speaker 3: people go, what's he like he is a flog but
Speaker 3: really he is the best bloke in the world, and like,
Speaker 3: I just think that whole chat just I've never had
Speaker 3: so many messages being like I am the biggest fuck
Speaker 3: we'd ever like, I, yeah, change my opinion on this person.
Speaker 4: And that's when I was like, yes, like that's awesome.
Speaker 2: That's the point of this, that's the point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a point. Emma Murray was another one
Speaker 3: who I just love chatting with her. She's just an
Speaker 3: incredible person. She's so authentic, she's so real and selfishly, like,
Speaker 3: even if the mic wasn't on, you know, it's just
Speaker 3: like my favorite time to have a chat with her.
Speaker 4: It's just really really awesome.
Speaker 3: And then it was a bit of a background to
Speaker 3: give a background, Well, yeah, she's a hyperformance mindfulness, so
Speaker 3: she basically is yeah, like meditation, mindfulness, visualization, she even
Speaker 3: does some like hypnotherapy, all these sorts of things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she worked with Collingwood, Yeah a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, Yeah, she worked with Collingwood and then someone,
Speaker 3: I think someone got rid of her, and then she
Speaker 3: went to Richmond and then blew up.
Speaker 4: So I think Collingwood missed out of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one.
Speaker 4: And then another one that I really love this.
Speaker 3: This guy's story was a guy named Nick Stone who
Speaker 3: is actually in the US in your territory. He was
Speaker 3: playing for Hawthorne and you know, his career didn't really
Speaker 3: work out what he wanted to, but then he went
Speaker 3: straight into that investment banking, moved over to the US
Speaker 3: and now as a fander of Bluestone Lane and is
Speaker 3: one of the biggest you know they're rivaling wanting to
Speaker 3: rival Starbucks in the US, And just loved his story,
Speaker 3: loved his outlook on things, and it made me really
Speaker 3: question I think like when people when you go you know,
Speaker 3: I heard the this thing that he said and then
Speaker 3: I've heard it since and it was like when you say,
Speaker 3: like what's your goals and you say, think big, Okay,
Speaker 3: so think about that Now when I say to you,
Speaker 3: what's your goals? Think big so you've got something in
Speaker 3: your mind. Yeah, okay, Then I go think bigger.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: Soon I go think bigger again and you go okay.
Speaker 3: So like it just made me go, oh my god,
Speaker 3: Like I'm capping myself so much here, I'm thinking, I
Speaker 3: have a cool podcast.
Speaker 4: Why not the best podcasts in the world, you know.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like in the world.
Speaker 3: That's that's the one that's thinking about other things in
Speaker 3: my life as well. It's not just like like that,
Speaker 3: you can really I think we can really cap ourselves.
Speaker 3: And until we see other people do shit, we don't
Speaker 3: know what's real and we know what he's done has
Speaker 3: been like fucking hell, why can't I do this?
Speaker 4: So love that his.
Speaker 1: Whole families like that. Actually did some New York City
Speaker 1: marathon training with his brother. Oh wow, Andrew last off season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was well ahead of me, I'll say that, but
Speaker 1: he's good. The whole family's pretty amazing. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: so cool to see an Australian company expand like that
Speaker 1: in the US. Like every Australian brands want to break
Speaker 1: it in America, you know, because there's so much more
Speaker 1: I guess media attention there and so much more population
Speaker 1: everything else. It's always a you know, a goal to
Speaker 1: be able to make it in America, and he's smashing it,
Speaker 1: absolutely smashing it. It's cool to in Australia do well.
Speaker 2: Really it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you chat with him and I know
Speaker 3: you've you've crossed bathsman as well, but just the most
Speaker 3: humble guy. Like even after it, like he's so busy,
Speaker 3: so busy, and he's like hung around for like an
Speaker 3: hour just chatting, and I was just like, you can go, man.
Speaker 2: I felt bad.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm like, man.
Speaker 3: I want to keep you here, but like I know
Speaker 3: you've got places to be, like you can It's all good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a good got so much time for him,
Speaker 3: and I really want to get over to the States
Speaker 3: soon and do some cool things over there as well.
Speaker 1: So are you contact I'll be there in septainer October.
Speaker 1: Maybe do the podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're taken the role on van Yeah, must be
Speaker 3: the floating van I reckon by then?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was a bad gay? How is
Speaker 2: shit that sucks? Well?
Speaker 1: I ask another question on the podcast. I want to
Speaker 1: know this is a This is a bit I guess controversial.
Speaker 1: Maybe is like, what's the conversation you had to cut
Speaker 1: out of a podcast that was hilarious?
Speaker 2: Questionable?
Speaker 1: Maybe you just TMI with a guest, so you just go,
Speaker 1: this is maybe too juicy, This is maybe too juicy
Speaker 1: for the public.
Speaker 2: I don't know about this.
Speaker 1: There's so many, man, because I feel like in a podcast,
Speaker 1: we don't realize you have maybe like an hour hour
Speaker 1: and a half chat, right, and then you realize the
Speaker 1: podcast might be cut down forty five minutes or thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: It may be, and there's so much you cut out,
Speaker 1: and it's it's one of those things I think like
Speaker 1: I've done podcasts and I've sitt there and gone and
Speaker 1: done an interview with someone, right, and then after you
Speaker 1: go oof, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then I hate to be the guy because I know
Speaker 1: this might be your kind of headline. Yeah, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: going to have to take that out And he's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: you're serious.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you're gonna have to r that's fine.
Speaker 3: Like that that does happen a bit, But to be honest,
Speaker 3: I think for me and this is something where I
Speaker 3: pride myself on is at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: like I don't don't underestimate, you know, the role I
Speaker 3: have and the trust that people have in me to have,
Speaker 3: you know, to share their story in. It's something that
Speaker 3: like I'm so grateful for that I'd never want to jeopardize.
Speaker 3: And there's been times where like even I've taken stuff
Speaker 3: out when they haven't even asked me to because.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to. I'm not I don't
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 3: Grab news stories and I'm like, that could come back,
Speaker 3: you know, if you said that, that can come back
Speaker 3: and someone might interpret that the wrong way, and then
Speaker 3: it blows up. This was on dealing friends and I'm
Speaker 3: not here. I don't want to do that. I don't
Speaker 3: want to break stories. And then it's like, well, if
Speaker 3: I ever fucked over one player or one person, no
Speaker 3: one will ever come on anyone. So yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: there to to do that stuff. Like nothing really springs
Speaker 3: to mind because we do leave a lot of it in,
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, there's been a few things whereas some
Speaker 3: players we've said stuff and nothing like bad, but just
Speaker 3: more like I just don't think I don't just doesn't
Speaker 3: make you look the way you want. It came off
Speaker 3: like they're all good intentions, but sometimes if you don't
Speaker 3: tell the story around the situation that well, it just
Speaker 3: doesn't look that good. So yeah, I've definitely taken a
Speaker 3: few things out for players benefits.
Speaker 2: We'll see how much of the podcast to do with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like an hour hour and a half chats.
Speaker 1: Well, another thing I want to talk to you about
Speaker 1: is you're a big advocate for mental health, tackling feelings.
Speaker 1: You've done stuff with November, You've been involved with something exactly.
Speaker 1: I guess your experience with it, if you feel comfortable enough,
Speaker 1: it's talking about that and then kind of how you've
Speaker 1: got involved with these different charities and you know where
Speaker 1: you see it kind of going in the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure, So I think I've always been really really into
Speaker 3: this space, and I never knew why until probably recently,
Speaker 3: But yeah, doing work with like tack your feelings and
Speaker 3: November always tuted to raise money, and I think subconsciously
Speaker 3: I knew but never wanted to.
Speaker 4: I wanted to admit it.
Speaker 3: But my old man sort of stuff, he's had some
Speaker 3: suffering with mental health and alcohol addiction, and I've sort
Speaker 3: of grown up with that with him like that, I
Speaker 3: love him, you know, love him to death, but I
Speaker 3: just knew there was something not right and it probably
Speaker 3: took me, you know a long time to work that
Speaker 3: out and have those conversations and get on the front
Speaker 3: foot with him about that, which has been incredible.
Speaker 4: You know, he's in love. He's never been bad.
Speaker 3: I he's never been happier, he's never been he's been
Speaker 3: off alcohol for over twelve months, you know, over twelve
Speaker 3: months now.
Speaker 4: It's just been huge.
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, now, reflecting on that, I
Speaker 3: look back and I go, fuck, everything I was doing
Speaker 3: was like in subconsciously being like, looked at I'm doing this,
Speaker 3: I'm you can always come talk to me, sort of thing.
Speaker 3: So that was that was like funny to realize because
Speaker 3: I think that I was like, what, you know why
Speaker 3: I wasn't interested in this, But I think it was
Speaker 3: more just to show that, like to my friends and family,
Speaker 3: family and friends. So it was like if anyone's ever struggling,
Speaker 3: they could come talk to me, because they go, oh,
Speaker 3: deal does stuff with me and me he does stuff
Speaker 3: with tucky feelings.
Speaker 4: I could go talk to him. Whereas realistically it's probably
Speaker 4: the other way.
Speaker 3: I should have just gone up to them first and
Speaker 3: been like, what's going on, I can help you. But
Speaker 3: I was probably trying to take a bit of a
Speaker 3: different way and like do all the work and if
Speaker 3: someone wanted.
Speaker 4: To approach me, they could.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing with you know, mental health and
Speaker 3: these conversations is they're not comfortable chats. You know, even now,
Speaker 3: I speak about this shit all the time and you
Speaker 3: still get tould, you still got that little frog in
Speaker 3: your throat when you.
Speaker 4: Bring it up.
Speaker 3: But that's why it's it is so important to chat about.
Speaker 3: I think it's really to think that, you know, we
Speaker 3: don't all experience it on some level, you know, with
Speaker 3: especially with tucky feelings. We talk about and that's a
Speaker 3: business I do a lot of work with. We go
Speaker 3: out to local community clubs and talk about mental health
Speaker 3: and how to deal with it. And we talk about
Speaker 3: a continuum and there's three levels, you know, there's thriving, coping,
Speaker 3: and struggling, and it's like you're on that continuum all
Speaker 3: the time. And just because you're struggling at the moment
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you can't be thriving as well. Like you
Speaker 3: move up and down and just because you're thriving, it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that one day you might be struggling. Like
Speaker 3: you've got to be able to to bounce back and forward.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think just like that education piece around it,
Speaker 3: you know, upskilling myself on it, like I love you
Speaker 3: know this man, We're all not immune, like like I
Speaker 3: have bad days. Everyone has bad days. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it's just such an important piece. And I just
Speaker 3: always wanted to know that if someone was struggling, I'd
Speaker 3: be there for them to reach out to, which you know,
Speaker 3: I can still get better at, but I'm doing my best.
Speaker 1: It's a constant, I think thing for all of us
Speaker 1: to put time and effort into it. And I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing in this country. One thing I've learned
Speaker 1: is we're very I guess like open about it comparatively
Speaker 1: to other countries. I know about New ass Like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the conversations I would have in Australia. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of media and attention that goes
Speaker 1: into mental health here and doing me wrong. There's always
Speaker 1: been for improvement, but I think it's pretty amazing in
Speaker 1: Australia that there's this initiatives that kind of happen, whether
Speaker 1: it be ore You're OK day and things like that,
Speaker 1: where it's very much in front of you of saying
Speaker 1: no check in on your mates, like and there's been
Speaker 1: people that have unfortunately passed away in the media and
Speaker 1: things along that those lines where like Triple M and
Speaker 1: radio does a minute of silence and you know for
Speaker 1: certain days and things like that where you wouldn't really
Speaker 1: get that anywhere else. I feel like, and there's an
Speaker 1: amazing part of this Australian culture. I think that really
Speaker 1: is look after your mates. And yeah, there is a
Speaker 1: bit that's like, you know's all have a laugh and
Speaker 1: you know, it's Australian ways to take the piss out
Speaker 1: of each other, I guess per se. But there's also
Speaker 1: this really genuine and humanizing like section of Australian culture
Speaker 1: that's becoming bigger and bigger and bigger that really does
Speaker 1: look after each other. And it's I mean, even look
Speaker 1: at your podcast mate, Like just having those stories of
Speaker 1: people opening up and telling their experiences might you know,
Speaker 1: be tough for them, but that also might open up
Speaker 1: an opportunity for someone else say, look, you know Zach's
Speaker 1: gone on his podcast and told it like, why can't
Speaker 1: I tell my closest friend this experience I might have had.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're the best, you know, and I'm sure you'll
Speaker 3: experience that soon when you when you get humming with
Speaker 3: the show. But like, I think anything not even they
Speaker 3: don't have to be like the darkest times, even the
Speaker 3: happy you know, like being able to give people just
Speaker 3: like laughter and content and and relatability. I suppose it's
Speaker 3: like something that I'd never take for granted, and it's
Speaker 3: something that you know, when you get a message and
Speaker 3: someone says like that made my day.
Speaker 4: You're just like how, you know, like how how? And
Speaker 4: those Yeah, it is. It is really special. It is really.
Speaker 4: I'm a very emotional person.
Speaker 3: But there's a hard times at the end of the
Speaker 3: year when we do like this the bn F and
Speaker 3: we do like the best and farest of the year,
Speaker 3: and people sort of ride in their feedback.
Speaker 2: And like, what's one of the best messages.
Speaker 4: I don't even say it.
Speaker 3: I can't even say it, like more just I could
Speaker 3: say it, but I would just like.
Speaker 2: Just break down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah it is. There's some things you've covered
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Man, You've really shone a light on
Speaker 1: the ability to open up to other people.
Speaker 3: But it's you know what it's actually, it's just it's
Speaker 3: a it's a skill, as in, like it's not something
Speaker 3: that you're good at.
Speaker 4: Like I was terrible at this. I was so bad,
Speaker 4: and to be honest, I'm still not very good at it.
Speaker 4: But like you practice it, it's a it's you.
Speaker 3: The more you are you ask your mates how you're going,
Speaker 3: the more you are vulnerable, vulnerable, the more you do
Speaker 3: open up and talk about hard things, the more you
Speaker 3: hit that conversation on the head instead of ignoring it
Speaker 3: or that is all skills.
Speaker 4: But the more you do that, the easier it gets.
Speaker 3: So like I remember in my podcast one the first
Speaker 3: one I ever did, I had this psychologist on it,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my god, everyone of the
Speaker 3: Biggest Loser ever really, like I couldn't even say mental health.
Speaker 3: It was the first time anyone at it Like this
Speaker 3: was very early on, okay, and then you know, two
Speaker 3: years like I'm talking about my own struggles, my dad's sing,
Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck, it's a skill. You know, you get
Speaker 3: better at it, Like you're not gonna the first time
Speaker 3: you maybe do something you're not gonna go straight into
Speaker 3: the deep end.
Speaker 4: You just you can work.
Speaker 3: You can you can work into things, and that I
Speaker 3: think that's what people a really good message And something
Speaker 3: that I've learned maybe is that that you can work
Speaker 3: at this stuff just because you might not think you're
Speaker 3: good at vulnerability at the moment, like you can.
Speaker 4: You can do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's it's.
Speaker 1: A bit of advice for people out there that maybe
Speaker 1: I guess feel uncomfortable and having that initial conversation with
Speaker 1: others and it's so much opening up it can be
Speaker 1: and it's it is like everyone, but you come to
Speaker 1: realize that everyone has their like it's not you're not alone.
Speaker 3: No, you know how good you feel and you would
Speaker 3: know this, but like I always related to this. For example,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you had a lot of better relationship with
Speaker 3: the coaches than me.
Speaker 4: But you know when you're like at the club and
Speaker 4: you're like, oh.
Speaker 3: Fuck, I need to go chack to the coach today,
Speaker 3: Like fucking hell, this is gonna be an absolute nightmare,
Speaker 3: and you put it off, and you put off, and
Speaker 3: then you go, I'll do it tomorrow, and then you
Speaker 3: put off and you sleep on it, and then you
Speaker 3: go in the next day and finally the coach, Hey,
Speaker 3: come have a chat, and then you have the chat
Speaker 3: and you're.
Speaker 4: Like, that was awesome outside, that was really good. I
Speaker 4: should have done that earlier.
Speaker 3: And it's like that's the same with any conversation, Like
Speaker 3: it's so much easier than you actually think it's going
Speaker 3: to be, but it's still not comfortable, but you're so
Speaker 3: much happier that.
Speaker 4: You had it, and you never regret having the conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, clearse your mind.
Speaker 1: I think it's sometimes it's it's a stressing you. You
Speaker 1: overplay it in your head of like oh, maybe that
Speaker 1: he's going to say this or someone's going to say this,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how I can reacts. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do, and it's then you kind of
Speaker 1: have the conversation go, oh, that's how he feels, that's
Speaker 1: how I feel. This is the direction we're going in,
Speaker 1: like so much clearer, like why did.
Speaker 3: We do this?
Speaker 2: Like that once ago?
Speaker 4: I love torturing myself with different outcomes.
Speaker 1: But I think it is putting yourself in maybe an
Speaker 1: arching scenario to to give you more clarity or even
Speaker 1: you know, you never know what a conversation will do.
Speaker 2: For someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had people I know, just having a conversation
Speaker 1: with them as I have a footy field about just
Speaker 1: life and they're like, man like made my life, like
Speaker 1: my week, made my mind, and I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just a broke athlete.
Speaker 1: It's just like here, you know, having a great time
Speaker 1: and like it's it's amazing. I guess what little things
Speaker 1: you can do that will make someone's day and make
Speaker 1: someone's like a week or whatever it may be that
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we take it for granted. I guess,
Speaker 1: I just I guess how how influential we can actually
Speaker 1: be in a positive light.
Speaker 3: It's it's something that I definitely definitely don't take for granted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Well, I want to get a move
Speaker 1: a bit of a track. Your hobbies love a bit
Speaker 1: of golf, man, you loved bit of golf. Now I've
Speaker 1: had a few questions come out about you, and I
Speaker 1: want to know a few things. One what is your handicap?
Speaker 1: I had to learn what that says. I'm getting into golf.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting into golf recently. Now, did you know
Speaker 1: what it is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's like how many strokes over parre? You sently,
Speaker 2: I'll explain.
Speaker 3: It, because it's taken me aged to even work this
Speaker 3: out myself, So I hope this makes sense, but say
Speaker 3: I do, I explain it? Okay, every hole you score, right,
Speaker 3: if you hit a par, you get two points for
Speaker 3: every hole. So have you hit four shots is in Stableford?
Speaker 3: Okay Stleford, you hit two points. Have you hit four
Speaker 3: point four shots, you hit two points. If you hit
Speaker 3: three shots you have two points. So someone off scratch,
Speaker 3: they're off zero, they have to go around and hit
Speaker 3: pars the whole way around the course, eighteen holes two
Speaker 3: points on each. Then they get they hit thirty six
Speaker 3: thirty six points, and that's hitting to your handicap. So
Speaker 3: someone off nineteen, off a handicap, they get one extra
Speaker 3: stroke on every hole.
Speaker 4: So's every hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you boge every hole, you'd get two points,
Speaker 3: but if you par it you get three because you're
Speaker 3: hitting one under your handicap.
Speaker 4: So if you're thirty six, you get two shots every hole.
Speaker 3: So I'm off twenty one at the moment basically, so
Speaker 3: I get one shot a hole on everything except sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm off twenty, so two other other ones I get
Speaker 3: two points.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've just confused you even more
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying you average almost a bogie plus a little.
Speaker 4: Bit here pretty much pretty much makes sense.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not that good. It's not that good.
Speaker 2: Because I've actually went golfing recently. I've had the story
Speaker 2: told to me.
Speaker 1: I was with my golf partner was there, you know,
Speaker 1: and he was telling the story about he actually ran
Speaker 1: into you. And he said, yeah, you were golfing with
Speaker 1: Tom Mitchell, Okay, just telling the story and I'm terrible
Speaker 1: golf and I almost hit someone in the face and
Speaker 1: they head you know, you yell at for and it
Speaker 1: was a part three.
Speaker 4: That's well, that's what you normally do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned that very quickly. I've been here before.
Speaker 2: But have you been yet.
Speaker 4: You're at.
Speaker 2: The shoulder, shoulder and the del to it didn't see
Speaker 2: it coming.
Speaker 4: Nothing was said, No, it was a people behind us.
Speaker 4: I was like, surely they just didn't hit I turned around.
Speaker 3: I was just bang straight in the shoulder or picked
Speaker 3: up their ball and just piffed it into the trees.
Speaker 2: I would just sat there and yeah, just come and
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: I was so angry the story his fathers and walked off, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would be the guy you're gonna have to face
Speaker 2: me on.
Speaker 4: It might have been there might have been some other
Speaker 4: things said.
Speaker 1: But anyway I was on this story is I was
Speaker 1: on a player with this guy and you were apparently
Speaker 1: playing with Tom Mitchell and my partner is the guy
Speaker 1: I was playing with. He was playing with his partner
Speaker 1: at the time, and apparently he he whiffed one and
Speaker 1: hit Tom Mitchell on the foot and he knew.
Speaker 2: Who you were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, told me, oh, he's gone ship, I've got to
Speaker 1: go get my ball. I've got to go pick this
Speaker 1: steg up. What what actually was said if you get
Speaker 1: hit by a ball Tom Mitchell the five mid season
Speaker 1: where he's still going to have to play? What was
Speaker 1: actually over the words towards the words he decided to
Speaker 1: give to this spot.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I actually I actually don't know,
Speaker 2: so I want to hear it.
Speaker 3: But I know one thing. If you're playing at Burnley
Speaker 3: Golf Course in Richmond, you're pretty much silly to think
Speaker 3: in knocking to cople golf porn the head. It's pretty
Speaker 3: much like the like mecha of amateur golfers, So like,
Speaker 3: go there at your own risk. Like and that's probably
Speaker 3: what we you know, it was our own fault really
Speaker 3: at the end of the day that he that he
Speaker 3: got hit there. But yeah, I just remember we're walking
Speaker 3: on this one hole and the funny thing was about
Speaker 3: your mate, Like we were probably fought, I don't want
Speaker 3: to say, forty five meters away from.
Speaker 4: The where the green.
Speaker 3: Was, so I don't know what sort of golf for
Speaker 3: this bloke is, but it was so far away from
Speaker 3: any other green, like there's other parts on a golf
Speaker 3: course where you're like, this could be a risky spot.
Speaker 3: We're genuinely on another fairway, so probably like fifty meters
Speaker 3: lateral and then like another fifty meters in front of
Speaker 3: his so like he's pretty much in it fifty minutes
Speaker 3: wide and fifty minutes too long over like another fairway
Speaker 3: and just smashed Tom in the back of.
Speaker 4: The calf and I remember just going, oh my god,
Speaker 4: like what the fuck has happened?
Speaker 3: Like I have no idea he's in pin obviously hurts,
Speaker 3: and the guy just came up and and said sorry,
Speaker 3: and I was just like I was just amazed. I
Speaker 3: was like I was like, maybe this yell four next time. Man,
Speaker 3: It's pretty pretty dangerous, But yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously you're never aiming for someone, and I
Speaker 3: don't you know, no offense to that blow. But I
Speaker 3: don't think he could hit anyone even if he was
Speaker 3: aiming for it, let alone the.
Speaker 4: Middle of his club. So it happens to the best
Speaker 4: of us. Happened. I've nearly hit people.
Speaker 3: Have you actually ever heard I've never hit anyone, but
Speaker 3: I've nearly hit people. You never hit people, but you
Speaker 3: just got to. You've got to give a good four. Yeah,
Speaker 3: give him the best chance to get out of the way.
Speaker 4: I don't think there was one yelled that day. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's funny.
Speaker 1: I was golf with my for aend the other day
Speaker 1: and he said something that stuck with me. He said,
Speaker 1: golf is a game that's created because men feel awkward
Speaker 1: asking themselves asking others to go for a walk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what to do.
Speaker 2: We have to have an activity that we're doing.
Speaker 1: But like really it's just us catching up, like having
Speaker 1: a little chat and like being in nature and going
Speaker 1: for a walk, and then we hit a few golf
Speaker 1: offs here and there.
Speaker 2: Whatever. Yeah, but it's more of just like I will.
Speaker 3: Say though, when you know you like my personality is
Speaker 3: how do I say?
Speaker 4: This very addictive personality.
Speaker 3: So like we came in here today roll in Studios,
Speaker 3: there's these boom arms, like I can guarantee as soon
Speaker 3: as I leave, I'm going to buy four of these
Speaker 3: because I've just just inspired like I need them, like
Speaker 3: as soon as like I can't stop thinking about it,
Speaker 3: like I'm not even I'm still thinking about it now.
Speaker 4: Like these cameras.
Speaker 3: I had to go buy a few cameras of those
Speaker 3: cameras because it's just like as soon as I see it,
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I need to do that.
Speaker 4: With golf, it's probably the worst it's ever been.
Speaker 2: Like clubs, like top of the line clubs.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I've got a great partnership with Calloway.
Speaker 3: Actually shout, they're listening so beautiful clubs there, Michael Gorn
Speaker 3: and the team down there, tall Away nice and got
Speaker 3: nice and fitted. But you know, like my bag, I
Speaker 3: love like the pins, I love having nice teas, I
Speaker 3: love having good ballmarkers. I love having you know, a
Speaker 3: nice golf kid as well. And yeah, it's just weird.
Speaker 4: I just love the whole vibe of it. Like I'm
Speaker 4: a member of this club.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I love being a part of a club. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: fair to say I'm I'm very materialistic, but in a
Speaker 3: good way, if that makes sense, Like it makes me happy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I worried about that break out of the car.
Speaker 1: He's got all the gear and everything else. It's gonna
Speaker 1: absolutely murder around chasing shots.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I make up.
Speaker 3: Well, my old man, you fade me if you don't
Speaker 3: look like if you if you can't play like a football,
Speaker 3: at least look like one. So it's a bit with
Speaker 3: the golf as well. So if you don't, if you
Speaker 3: can't hit the golf all that, at least look good
Speaker 3: while you're doing it. So I like to think that,
Speaker 3: you know, I've got some cool kids to wear out there.
Speaker 2: That's so good.
Speaker 1: You've also ran the Melbourne Marathon. I did recently congratulates that. Actually,
Speaker 1: so impressive that one run a marathon, Like I just
Speaker 1: I have so much respect for anyone like and like
Speaker 1: stick to that can't training and run it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the experience?
Speaker 1: Like, man, like, did you did you get to a
Speaker 1: certain point you hit a wall? Like I had a
Speaker 1: friend that ran in the New York City Marathon, Like
Speaker 1: I was saying, and he I've got him probably at
Speaker 1: thirty eight forty k Mike, and he looked like death.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like looked like proper.
Speaker 1: Death in the hole, really struggle on every step, And
Speaker 1: it was hilarious for me as just someone who usually
Speaker 1: works out for a living to get to see someone
Speaker 1: else go through the whole for Mons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh it sucked. I'll be honest, Like it was
Speaker 4: a really hard, really really hard. It's probably the hardest
Speaker 4: thing I've ever done.
Speaker 3: But really funnily when we talk about before about the
Speaker 3: cameras and the goal, like running was another one of
Speaker 3: those things like I had to get the run as
Speaker 3: the socks that all those things, and like that was
Speaker 3: a part of the fun for me to have those
Speaker 3: those types of things. But yeah, basically it started as
Speaker 3: a little competition. We're doing it with this Cloggers producer
Speaker 3: Sam and Dan Garrange were like, I listen to the
Speaker 3: marathon and I was like, okay, cool, And as soon
Speaker 3: as it's you know, it turns into a competition and
Speaker 3: you're competing with each.
Speaker 4: Other and it was really fun.
Speaker 3: But it got for me just one of those things
Speaker 3: that I really really got into and it was whenever
Speaker 3: it was closed in lockdown. So you know, I was
Speaker 3: just running and I don't know about you, but before playing,
Speaker 3: you know, finishing footy, I had not even been for
Speaker 3: a run since right and even before that, the longest
Speaker 3: I'd ever ran, I honestly think was probably three k's,
Speaker 3: as in like three k time trial. And then once
Speaker 3: when I was in Berlin, I did a six k
Speaker 3: run and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have the best year ever. Like I just I remember
Speaker 3: just doing a six k run. I was like, funk,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be the fittest light bloke in the world.
Speaker 3: Like next time scaley year I go. Anyway, So when
Speaker 3: I finished and the challenge, like I think the beauty
Speaker 3: of running is which I really need to get back into.
Speaker 3: Was you have that thing where you go, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do five k's today and then next time you go
Speaker 3: six k's and you're like, all right, I'm going to
Speaker 3: do ten. Then you do ten, You're like, oh that
Speaker 3: was cool. I'm going to do fifteen, and then you
Speaker 3: do fifteen, then you do twenty, and then you go,
Speaker 3: this is cool. I can do this.
Speaker 4: But a scary story.
Speaker 3: When you're talking about the hitting the wall, I was
Speaker 3: actually running around here. So I did the Capital City
Speaker 3: Trail and this was like two weeks before we finished,
Speaker 3: and you have to tick off all these milestone so
Speaker 3: I did like, shouldn't have done this, but we did
Speaker 3: it in eight weeks training eight eight weeks training block,
Speaker 3: and I was like, to be.
Speaker 4: Honest, I don't ran since because my body's just so
Speaker 4: still dead.
Speaker 3: But we did this Capital City Trail one day and
Speaker 3: I remember my mate was doing a half marathon, so
Speaker 3: he did like twenty with me, and then he stopped
Speaker 3: and got the bike, but then he couldn't find me.
Speaker 3: Long story short, when you get to I think it's
Speaker 3: like the longest i'd ran up to there was like
Speaker 3: twenty two or something like that. And then after that,
Speaker 3: once you get to twenty six ks, you really need
Speaker 3: to get your fuel in and you need to start
Speaker 3: taking jails because your body really starts to shut down.
Speaker 3: And I had no idea. I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: never been there, never been to that stage. And I
Speaker 3: remember running around this trail and I remember like really
Speaker 3: starting to and I'm not a big eater, but I
Speaker 3: remember running and I'm actually vegetarian as well, and I
Speaker 3: remember running and going like, holy fuck it. If there
Speaker 3: was a burger in front of me right now, like
Speaker 3: a beef burger, I would literally demolish it like that.
Speaker 3: As I was running, I was that hungry, and my
Speaker 3: mom was starting the platry and I said that that
Speaker 3: was weird. Anyway, kept running. Then I started getting like
Speaker 3: really bad like pains, not pains, but like really that
Speaker 3: empty feeling, you know, you're just running on empty. And
Speaker 3: then I started getting bit dizzy and like I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is weird. I'm like, oh, it's not long to go,
Speaker 3: not long to go. Anyway, I was like, fuck, I'm
Speaker 3: just going to get to thirty.
Speaker 4: I'll get to thirty. And I stop because I was
Speaker 4: going to try and do like thirty five. I didn't stop.
Speaker 3: I had no fuel, no music bars like anything. I
Speaker 3: don't think i'd had a banana for breakfast, so it
Speaker 3: was just ridiculous. Anyway, I stopped and got the thirty
Speaker 3: k's and literally just like collapsed and I was like
Speaker 3: on the ground by myself, like as in collapse, like
Speaker 3: just down, Like I wasn't out or.
Speaker 4: Anything, but I remember just getting it. I could hardly
Speaker 4: get up.
Speaker 3: I couldn't even get my shoes off, and I thought
Speaker 3: I was so disorientated where I was. I thought I
Speaker 3: was close back to my car, but I ended up
Speaker 3: being like another three k's away, so I literally just
Speaker 3: had to walk, and I was like just so drained,
Speaker 3: no phone on me or anything because I wasn't running.
Speaker 4: I thought I was where I was.
Speaker 3: I was trying to get a car to pick me
Speaker 3: up and take me back, but I didn't even know I
Speaker 3: could even speak, I didn't know who I was, So
Speaker 3: long story short, finally got back to the studio where
Speaker 3: I work and went downstairs ordered some breakfast out of smoothie.
Speaker 4: But it probably took me in nearly three or four
Speaker 4: hours to like feel good again.
Speaker 3: So that was nearly the best thing that happened because
Speaker 3: I did that and then went into the race two
Speaker 3: weeks later, really shooting myself but also going like all right,
Speaker 3: you've got a fuel. So like from there, I started
Speaker 3: like taking all the jails, and I literally ate so
Speaker 3: much during the marathon that I like put on weight
Speaker 3: and drank. Yeah, it was weird, like I'd put on
Speaker 3: so much like snakes lollies, these carb jails I was.
Speaker 2: Drinking like fanny pack it tights.
Speaker 4: And I had just all these pockets.
Speaker 3: And then one of the coolest things about the marathon,
Speaker 3: and not to talk about this from now, but is
Speaker 3: the fact that like it's one of those things as
Speaker 3: well as saying it was an emotional person. But you're
Speaker 3: sort of there and you're so tired running and there's
Speaker 3: so many people and they're handing out like lollies and
Speaker 3: gatorades and you're just like thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just like thank you you so like you.
Speaker 3: Know, when you're like tired, then like you're like like
Speaker 3: you're like you're like you're like, I'm just so tired,
Speaker 3: and I remember running just being like oh, like crying
Speaker 3: running sort of thing.
Speaker 4: And then people are.
Speaker 3: Like nice and you're just like, oh, this is the best. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a really good, good experience. Look, i'd recommend
Speaker 3: it to it. I probably want to be doing another
Speaker 3: one for a while, but I would say go for it.
Speaker 1: I recommend you do the New York City Marathon scoop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd get up for that one because it is cool.
Speaker 1: I went there last year and like you said, like
Speaker 1: whenever you get to the end, there's bands playing the
Speaker 1: whole way man, Like it's a whole ordeal. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's cool to see like so many people you have
Speaker 1: no idea who they are, just supporting random people running
Speaker 1: down the road. There are just an absolute shambles trying
Speaker 1: to get across this line.
Speaker 4: I must say that people went to like an alf
Speaker 4: for party.
Speaker 3: I went for one beer and literally had to get
Speaker 3: picked up because I was in so much the legs
Speaker 3: and knees and back.
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't have.
Speaker 3: A conversation with you right now, it's in so much pain.
Speaker 3: I didn't even get to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Really, you got to everythot you've gone for a yeah,
Speaker 1: eight weeks. I actually baffled that you've done this in
Speaker 1: eight week eight weeks. Other boys fair.
Speaker 3: God's got it done, which was even a bigger surprise
Speaker 3: because he did not do half the training that I
Speaker 3: did and sam our producer.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately he didn't hurt himself halfway through.
Speaker 3: He still finished, but he walked, so I don't know
Speaker 3: did he finish.
Speaker 2: He got the metal of it hanging on the mantle.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure. I'll leave that for him to side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful man. Well, it's been so good getting to
Speaker 2: know you.
Speaker 1: Man. I really appreciate you coming on the show. It's
Speaker 1: it's been awesome, the first podcast in the books man,
Speaker 1: And it's a credit to you. If you've been able
Speaker 1: to just be able to manipulate a career in the
Speaker 1: a f L. To to be the media personality you
Speaker 1: are now and to have your own producing production company
Speaker 1: and everything else is it's a credit to you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Should be extremely proud of your absolutely honored to have
Speaker 1: you on and have you the first guest on the podcast.
Speaker 4: An honor first guest. I can't believe it. You're gonna
Speaker 4: do good things.
Speaker 3: As I said today, we were lucky enough to record
Speaker 3: another pard and you got just an incredible story and
Speaker 3: one of my favorites. So blessed to know you're blessed
Speaker 3: to be on the podcast and can't wait to see
Speaker 3: what's next for both of us.
Speaker 2: You're the favorite podcast I've had so far. Yeah, very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that all about. What a great chat
Speaker 1: with Don Buckley. An amazing human and so privileged for
Speaker 1: him to jump on and open himself up like you did.
Speaker 1: He's an amazing person. That's done some amazing things in
Speaker 1: life and so very fortunate to have him as the
Speaker 1: first episode of The Amazing Cockshow. And we're so grateful
Speaker 1: to have you as a listener. So as mentioned before, like, share, comment,
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