1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Mermaid Hair. This 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say exactly 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kay and Sophie Torber. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: so fetch Thank you, Hey, everyone, welcome back to Outspoken. Now. 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're going to be speaking about all 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: things career and how you get your big break in 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: the industry. Now, for a bit of background for new listeners. 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: We are all journalists. We've been working in the industry 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: now for about ten years in a range of different roles, 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: and we've had a few people right in asking us 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: to speak about how you get your foot in the 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: door and how you get noticed. And it's not just 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: all about journalism. I suppose these tips that we're about 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: to give you sort of a relate to all fields. 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: And we wanted to start by talking about how important 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: it is to just basically get a first time job. Yeah, 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: we were talking about it a little bit earlier and 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: we were referring to it as your shit kicker job. Yeah, 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: so starting out, obviously not everyone's going to have experience, 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: so you're going to have to go and work in 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: hospitality or at the movies or at the supermarket. And 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: those jobs are actually so much fun. Yeah, it's amazing 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: because it's so funny. When we were studying journalism, we 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: had our little shit kicker jobs and we actually all 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,279 Speaker 1: worked at the same place. So we had hospitality jobs. 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: And you think that these jobs are going to be 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: really easy compared to sort of the complex things that 31 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: you're studying, and they actually turn out to be quite difficult. 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: I feel like we're saying shitkicker jobs, but I feel 33 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: like these jobs are really imperative to building up those 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: skills that you're then going to use in your career. 35 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: So we started off a bakery and it really taught 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: you that there's a lot of dickheads in the world 37 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of power hungry people, because it isn't 38 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: some of these businesses where egos are at play from 39 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: an early age. Do you know what it also teaches 40 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: you from a perspective of Sophie and I know now 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: working in pr it sort of teaches you how to 42 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: talk to people because you're the face of that business 43 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: when you're selling those products, and you've got to be 44 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: so nice. Like did anyone used to sorry, did anyone 45 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: else used to have a work voice? Yeah? And I 46 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: definitely did, And I could feel myself being so nice. 47 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: It was actually quite exhausting. And I remember back in 48 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: the day when you used to get your mum to 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: do everything so you wouldn't want to make a phone call. 50 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: Like I remember between the three of us fighting about 51 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: not wanting to make a phone call. And I feel 52 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: like those sorts of jobs, as you said, make you 53 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: interact with more people and also make you have to 54 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: actually do things that you don't want to do, so 55 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: making phone calls, which sounds so trivial now, but there's 56 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: lots of adults that don't actually like talking on the 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: phone either, And also putting up with rude people is 58 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: another one. Not only customers, but I feel like in 59 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: these hospitality jobs there are a lot of there's a 60 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: lot of struggles to be the top dog in those jobs. 61 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: And I know we used to all work at a 62 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: cafe and we to work with this guy who was 63 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: so scary who used to make the coffees He was 64 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: kind of compared to the Soup Nazi and Seinfeld, so 65 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people called him the coffee Nazi. He 66 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: actually is so lovely. We caught up with him after 67 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: the working there, but he was just so scary at 68 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: the time. Being a twenty one year old. I remember 69 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: having to go to the bathroom and cry because I 70 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: think I got an order wrong or something. And that 71 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: is so crucial though, those moments where that job isn't 72 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: that important to you and you have to try and 73 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: hold back those tears, they really set you in good 74 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: stead for you know, times when we're in the newsroom 75 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: and I felt like crying. I just got a flashback 76 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: to when I forgot to put someone's order in and 77 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: just the horrifying feeling and thinking, okay, I can't do 78 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: that again. I can't forget. I just have to do 79 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: it straight away. It didn't help that the people's order 80 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: that you forgot to put through with some huge, high 81 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: flying ice cream business these of it. That didn't help. 82 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: But what annoyed me was, and I don't know why 83 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: cafe owners do this, they make you take the order 84 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: like but remember it. They don't let you write it down. 85 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: I never understood that. Do you know what? Another lesson 86 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: is that you should always not do something that you 87 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable about. And that reminds me. So when I 88 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: was at this cafe, they used to make some of 89 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: the staff get a sieve, and basically what happened was 90 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: ants got into their alcohol and they didn't want to 91 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: throw out the alcohol, so they got the staff to 92 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: sift out the ants. There was also another incident they 93 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: should have said no, Well how can you though, when you're, 94 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, just at the bottom of the chain, that 95 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: would be really hard to say no. Well, there was 96 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: also another incident where one of the waitresses who was 97 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: our colleagues, spat in a customer's wine, So that was 98 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: also a bit alarming. Well what about I stood up 99 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: serving it to somebody because I thought she was joking. 100 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: So I'm an accessory to that crime, do you know what? 101 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: I didn't even think we might be touching on this. 102 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: But reflecting back, there was a guy there who everyone 103 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: nicknamed Happy Hands, and he was an older gentleman that 104 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: there used to be an ongoing joke that he would 105 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: touch girls when they served him, so he would be everyone. 106 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: Everyone had to wear an apron so he would try 107 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: and tucket chocolate into your pocket of your apern and 108 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: now reflecting on that ten plus years on, the bloody 109 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: owner of the place should have done something about that, 110 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: because every girl felt really uncomfortable. But it was just 111 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: this ongoing joke that you could just be sexually harassed 112 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: by this guy and it was a part of your duty. 113 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: What a good introduction to the working world. Here's an 114 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: old man that's going to sexually harass you, so that 115 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: that's probably quite relevant to most workplaces. Well, moving on 116 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: to maybe some of the more positive things. I think 117 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: that having a job at a young age like that 118 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: really teaches you a sense of responsibility as well, because 119 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: you know you've got it, you've got your roster, you've 120 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: got to be there on time, you've got to have 121 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: your uniform organized, and those are all the fundamental things 122 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: you need for your career going forward. The funniest thing 123 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: was we all used to work in a pub together 124 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: and they had a system to sign in where you 125 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: had to put your fingerprint, so if you were like 126 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: one minute late, which we run late to everything, unfortunately, 127 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: making me sound like a dick, I'm like, Oh, it's 128 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: so important to be honest, but this was really good 129 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: because you had to be on time otherwise your pay 130 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: was dopped. And a lot of people thought that we 131 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: have the same fingerprint because we are triplets, and nobody 132 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: do not because we couldn't sign in, So sometimes one 133 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: person would be driving and the other person would run 134 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: out and then get more money for their shift if 135 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: the other person was late. Well, the other point I 136 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: thought was important to segue into is doing internships when 137 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: you're at university, because while it's important to have a 138 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: part time job to earn extra money and get that responsibility, 139 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: it is so important while you're at UNI to actually 140 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: have experience and contacts in the field that you want 141 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: to work in. And I feel like you've got to 142 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: start early because as soon as you leave UNI, a 143 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that you have insurance when 144 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: you're at UNI, so that insurance covers you to work 145 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: at these different places, so once you leave, you're no 146 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: longer covered and people won't take you on board. Also, 147 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I know the journalism industry is 148 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: extremely competitive, and I assume that other industries would also 149 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: be like that, and I just don't get people that 150 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: don't do internships during UNI, because that's when you build 151 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: up contacts because so many jobs have come up where 152 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: people are like, I mean, working formally at the thirty sixes. 153 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: It used to be like, oh, we've got this job, 154 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: but you know, we don't really want to spend money 155 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: hiring for it. And then you'd be like, oh, well, 156 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: I know this intern that came in, let's get them 157 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: a job. But even on another level, I mean, I've 158 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: had people send in applications to Amy and I to 159 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: for work experience or for a job and you look 160 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: at their resume and they've literally got nothing on there, 161 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: and it's a little bit disheartening because it does make 162 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: you think, oh, what is their work ethic? Like, are 163 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: they just cruising through UNI with no care? Well that's 164 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: a funny thing because I think when you're at UNI, 165 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: you're in such a bubble where you think, Okay, so 166 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: my whole aim is to get this degree, and once 167 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: I get it, that means I'm gonna then get out 168 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: into the real world and get my dream job. But 169 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that really happens, especially if you have no 170 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: contacts or no experience backing you up, because that's literally 171 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: just a prerequisite they just tick yep degree and that's 172 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: when and the second you leave UNI, that is when 173 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: the real work starts, because you have got to make 174 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: yourself appealing. Yeah, well, let's go into the reality of 175 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: actually getting that big break and getting your first job 176 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: that you've got qualifications for. So with us, trying to 177 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: get a job in the journalism world is so difficult. Yeah. Well, 178 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: we were lucky enough because Sophie actually won the newsnight 179 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: at UNI. So there was a night where all the 180 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 1: journalism students that do broadcast journalism create their own news 181 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: package and Sophie likes to remind us that she won 182 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: our group one, though I did win, thank you for 183 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: the five hundred dollars from Channel seven back in the day. 184 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: Well anyway, so Sophie won and she got in touch 185 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: with Grant Heading, who was the news director at Channel 186 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: ten and kindly, and I think on Mum's advice, she 187 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: let she also put in a good word for Amy 188 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: and I and that was a bit of a mistake 189 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: on my behalf. That's something I've learned from that you 190 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: should never ever offer your opportunity up to other people. 191 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: Let's be fair. We just no, just to back what 192 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: we were saying though we all had done work experience 193 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: at ten and I think they were pretty interested in 194 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: the idea of having triplets in the newsroom. So we 195 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: started off writing the weather. Now, I don't want to 196 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: spoil the illusion that the weather presenter doesn't write their 197 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: own stuff, but at this particular network, they didn't write 198 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: their updates. Another one of our jobs was to listen 199 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: to the scanners. Now all media stations have a scanner 200 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: which listens into well, it used to be up You 201 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: used to be able to listen to police, but now 202 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: it's just ambulance and that's where you pick up a 203 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: lot of your stories from seeing what's happening there. And 204 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: I had to get up every Saturday and Sunday morning 205 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: be there by seven o'clock. And that really did teach 206 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: me a level of responsibility and sacrifice because you couldn't 207 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: go out on the weekends and do anything. Gosh, that 208 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: was so stressful listening to the scanners because you would 209 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: then something would come through, but a lot of the 210 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: time the police would like to hide what it is, 211 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: so sometimes there would be a specific code that maybe 212 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: is like a car crash and a fatality, but then 213 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: you have to bring up police media and be like, 214 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: uh like try and get it out of them what's 215 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: actually happening. And it's so stressful because you're then sending 216 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: crews out to that scene. But if you don't and 217 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: you think, oh no, it's nothing, and everyone else gets it, 218 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: then you're in big trouble. What a huge responsibility though, 219 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: to give people that are on working we'll not work 220 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: experience yer people the shit kick is there. Well. The 221 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: funniest thing was though, some of the chief of staffs 222 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: would come in on the weekend and they were usually 223 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: some of the younger reporters and they would be so 224 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: hung over it. They'd be just lying on the floor 225 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: and they'd just be like, you were right up there 226 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: doing it. You'd be like, yep. One of the other 227 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: jobs that we all used to do at Channel ten, 228 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: and then also I used to do it at Channel seven, 229 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: and so did Sophie was doing the autoqu God I 230 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: was an autoque operator for many years. Now. That is 231 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: a stressful job because God, so the news, as many 232 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: people would know, is life. So at Channel ten, because 233 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: it's an hour bulletin, the people would be getting their 234 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: scripts in late so the journalists would be finalizing their 235 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: stories whilst the bulletin's running, so you're having to print 236 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: the updated scripts because if the auto Q system fails, 237 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: then the presenters have their script there. But you also 238 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: then if it fails, have to flick on the backup 239 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: auto Q. Yeah, and it's like and it was, Yeah, 240 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: I actually kind of enjoyed it. I feel like I 241 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: was a bit of a pro the auto well, I 242 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: have to say I was the ultimate pro because at 243 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: Channel ten as well, you had to have full stops 244 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: at the start of every intro otherwise it would not 245 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: show up. So you had to be so meticulous with everything. 246 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, as shit as that job was, 247 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: it did teach you a lot about even you had 248 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: to watch the news every night and just seeing the 249 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: formulation of the bulletin what stories came first the lvos. 250 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: So I feel like every job really does teach you something. 251 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: You should never feel like you're above doing anything. Oh definitely. 252 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: And then moving into I suppose getting the big break. 253 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: What we're saying is we worked at these networks in 254 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: these roles that I suppose were very undesirable at the time, 255 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: But what that gives you is the ability to make 256 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: friends with the other reporters there, so contact making is 257 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: so important. So what got me my big break at 258 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: seven working at Today Tonight was the fact that I 259 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: knew one of the ex reporters who used to be 260 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: at Today Tonight. He'd move to ten and he told 261 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: me that there was a job going as a researcher. 262 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: So it really is true. It's all about who you know. 263 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: It's not what you'd do, but it honestly is. So 264 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: that's really good for people because just remember you should 265 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: be nice to everybody, because even in the journalism world, 266 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: there were so many times where, you know, when I 267 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: was working as a reporter, interns would come in and 268 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: some reporters wouldn't give them the time of day because 269 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: I think they were scared that they were going to 270 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: take their jobs. But I made an effort just to 271 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: be nice to everybody, and a lot of those interns 272 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: that came in are now working at different networks into 273 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: State and they're fantastic contacts. But even away from that, 274 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: like the people like the security guards that you deal with, 275 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: all the cleaners or people with different jobs too, it's 276 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: important to treat everyone with the same level of respect 277 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: because those people, particularly the security guards, they're the ones 278 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: who hear everything. So I remember they would always let 279 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: me know if they were looking for someone new or 280 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: if there was any gossip that you know, would be hilarious. 281 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: It's funny now in my mind, looking back at nearly 282 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: all of the jobs I've had, it has been through 283 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: knowing people and forming those relationships. I mean, even yesterday, 284 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: I got a call from a reporter that I worked 285 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: with in my former job saying, Hey, if there's any 286 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: thing happening, I'll let you know. Like, it's really great 287 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: having those connections with people. And yeah, as you said, 288 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: so important to treat everyone equally because there are those 289 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: times when you're going to be above someone, but that 290 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you actually are above them and can't 291 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: speak to them and be nice to them. And that's 292 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: where I really do go back to the point of 293 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: work experience during UNI and why it is so essential 294 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: to build up those contacts and connections while you can. 295 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: The other important thing is to make yourself irreplaceable at work. 296 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: So you want to learn how to do everything. So 297 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: when I was at today tonight, I knew how to 298 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: do all the social media stuff. I knew how to 299 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: shot list, I purposely learned how to do all the 300 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: technical things because I was working with some people that 301 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: were older than me, so I was for some reason, 302 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: I was the computer whiz in the office and people 303 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: would come to me and ask me questions. So I 304 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: think that really is an important skill. Something I've picked 305 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: up along the way is that it's always older men 306 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: that assume young girls know how to use the printery. 307 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: I always used to have to print stuff for the journalists. Yeah, 308 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: and also that you know that you should get them 309 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: cups of coffee, Like I know we're saying that you 310 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: should do that. No job should be too little for 311 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: you to do. But you've also got to know your 312 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: limits as well. I remember going to women in Media 313 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: event and Sandra Sully was there and she gave this 314 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: amazing speech, and I remember she said when she was 315 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: working in production, somebody asked her to get them a 316 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: coffee and she said no. She said it was the 317 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: best thing she did because it set the scene because 318 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: that wasn't actually in her job description. So I think 319 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: that's really great advice because if someone's trying to I 320 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: suppose to mean your job in that way, and I 321 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: feel like they asked her because she was a woman 322 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: as well. If you say yes, they're going to make 323 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: you do it all the time, but people do respect 324 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: if you do say no. Well, I used to find 325 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: that because when I was starting out at ten, every 326 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: Friday we'd have Friday night drinks and nibbles and stuff, 327 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: and it was my job to go and collect them, 328 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: then to wheeld this big ice bucket over and put 329 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: everyone's alcohol in it. And I found that it kind 330 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: of did put me at it beneath everyone somewhat, and 331 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: that people just expected that you then weren't going to 332 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: go on and be a journalist. That was your role. 333 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: So you have got a time how long you want 334 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: to be in those roles for, because personally, I feel 335 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: like I stayed in those lower positions for longer than 336 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: I should have. Yeah. Yeah, And I think that's also 337 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: a good point because Amy, when you were talking about 338 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: how you have to make yourself irreplaceable and you know, 339 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: take on all these different things, sometimes it can actually 340 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: be to your detriment as well, because I remember in 341 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: my job at the Thunderbirds and I took on the 342 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: role as a communication manager. But because a lot of 343 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: the sporting clubs have very small budgets. They don't have 344 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: a videographer and a marketing manager and a social media 345 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: person and a media person. It's all into one job. 346 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: So you end up making yourself so irreplaceable that when 347 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: a promotion comes around, they actually are too scared to 348 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: promote you because they know that you can do everything. 349 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: So it's a really good it's a really hard balancing 350 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: act because then you end up having to then move 351 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: into another job that's more of a promotion, and then 352 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: they end up losing all those skills. That is such 353 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: a good point, and I think that's the next tip 354 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: is you should know when to leave a job because 355 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: if you're not being taken seriously, and you know that 356 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: there's no way they're going to promote you because they're 357 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: comfortable having you do all that, all the other tasks 358 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: that you do, you need to go, Okay, well where 359 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: am I going to get that promotion. That's exactly what 360 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: I did, So I moved on from the Thunderbirds and 361 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: got a job at the thirty six's doing media because 362 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. So that was like 363 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: one of my tiny small roles beforehand, but that's what 364 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to focus on. But it's a really good 365 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: point you bring up, because there are a lot of 366 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: people that are so loyal at their job, and of 367 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: course that is a great thing, but there's a point 368 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: when you've got to realize that often that loyalty is 369 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: not given back to you. And we have all experienced 370 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: that firsthand, that you in a lot of places are 371 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: just a number replaceables, and as soon as something happens 372 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: and you know something, they're just going to get rid 373 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: of you, no matter how much extra work you've put in. Yeah, 374 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: we're just going off the back of your story about 375 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: moving from the Thunderbirds to the thirty six is I 376 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: did the same thing at seven, So I knew that 377 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: there were no further job opportunities at Today Tonight that 378 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: had basically been spelled out for me, that there was 379 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: no way I was going to get promoted from my 380 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: job as a researcher producer, and that I needed to 381 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: look into news. So that's why I made the move 382 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: into the newsroom, and I was lucky enough to get 383 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: the cadet ship there even though I was too experienced 384 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: to do it. I've been working in Today to Night 385 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: for three years, but I knew that's where the career 386 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: progression was, so I made that move. The same thing 387 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: happened to me because I was doing freelance reporting at ten, 388 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: but my main role had turned into doing auto Q 389 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: and writing weather, and I was so frustrated because I'd 390 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: been at ten for about five years and it came 391 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: to the stage where I had to make the difficult 392 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: decision to just get rid of that job and try 393 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: and work my way into Channel seven, where I was 394 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: also doing some work at the time, And it was 395 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: the best thing I ever did, because just moving away 396 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: from that role that i'd outgrown it put a different 397 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: light on me and our news director at seven he 398 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: was really happy because he didn't want me working at 399 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: both stations anyway, so then he saw me as a 400 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: journalist as opposed to to someone doing AUTOQ. Now, talking 401 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: about moving around at different networks or different organizations, one 402 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: thing that I think is so important for young people 403 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: to look into is their employment contract. Now. You really 404 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: need to either have a lawyer look over or even 405 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: a parent that knows what they're talking about, because you're 406 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: normally so excited when you get this contract and you're 407 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: just so happy to get the job, and you don't 408 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: think people are going to screw you over. So you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 409 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: that's all fine. But there are so many loopholes that 410 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: employers use so and you don't even think of them 411 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: at the time. So, for example, one thing is to 412 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: make sure that in your contract you know what award 413 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: you are under. You know if you're entitled to toil, 414 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: which is time off in lou or overtime. Also, is 415 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: there space for you to get a pay rise, because 416 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: some companies go, oh, yeah, yeah, we'll do a pay review, 417 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: but they don't actually think about inflation or all these 418 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: or how long you've been there. And a lot of 419 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: time you get in there and you've been there for 420 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: like two years and you ask pay rise and they 421 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: say no. These are smaller organizations because I know a 422 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: lot of government and other industries I know have really 423 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: set things. But this is something that I've experienced in 424 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: my career that's been really annoying. Yeah. Well, and going 425 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: into jobs, for example, jobs in journalism, everyone is just 426 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: so pleased to get a contract that they would just 427 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: sign whatever because it is such a competitive industry. But 428 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: your contract does come to buy you in the ass sometimes, 429 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: and that's the interesting thing. There have been so many 430 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: job losses in the journalism industry and communications, and it's 431 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: getting to a point where it seems like employers would 432 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: prefer to hire people on a contract, so like as 433 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: a contractor, say, because they don't have to pay out 434 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: and you'll leave or long service leave or sickly or 435 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: anything like that, and literally they can get rid of 436 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: you whenever they want. So that's very convenient at the moment, 437 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: and I can see it moving more in that direction. 438 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: So for those people that may be getting into contract work, 439 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: I think it's so important to have that contract set 440 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: in place and know what it means as well. Yeah, 441 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: and you should also your worth because especially if people 442 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: are listening who are doing journalism degrees, I just want 443 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: to let you know there is not a heap of 444 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: money in journalism. There's heaps of money in other comms area. 445 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: It's not that I've ever been employed in one of 446 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: those areas, but the government government roles some of the pays. 447 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: And I know that sounds terrible because I went into 448 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: journalism wanting to tell people's stories and because you know, 449 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I thought it would be a really fun job and 450 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: all of that kind of thing. I never really went 451 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: into it saying, oh, I want to earn heaps of money, 452 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you do have 453 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: to take into account when you're doing an incredibly difficult, 454 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: stressful job, you do want to be compensated for your time. 455 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: So people are going into journalism got to think, well, 456 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: do I really like the writing side? Like, would I 457 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: enjoy writing media releases for the government? Well, if you 458 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: do good news for you because you get paid a 459 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: lot to do that, would I enjoy earning one hundred 460 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars as opposed to forty thousand dollars. Yeah, 461 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: so that's a reality. Some reporters at some of the 462 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: stations are earning about forty five thousand if you're at 463 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: a station that doesn't rate as well as other stations. 464 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: This is not to put anyone off, because it is 465 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: a I think the journalism degree is a great degree 466 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: to have, especially well, I suppose there's now a lot 467 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: of social media degrees happening too. But I think a 468 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: lot of people think if you do media or marketing, 469 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: you can do so many things, like there are so 470 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: many different core opportunities that you can get involved in. 471 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: Before we move too far along, can we talk about 472 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: some of the things that people do wrong and that 473 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: we've seen people do wrong, or that we've done wrong ourselves. Yeah. Now, 474 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: one that springs to mind is people being a little 475 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: bit too eager. Now, Oh my gosh, I had an 476 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: intern like this. Well, when Amy and ire at seven, 477 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: there was an intern who ended up getting banned from 478 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: interning at any other work at any other news station 479 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: because he was he almost turned into a bit of 480 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: a stalker, didn't the Amy? Oh it was he was 481 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: actually such he was really nice. Kind of took him 482 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: under my wing, as I said, I really like to 483 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: be nice to the work experience people. And it was 484 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: so funny because he went out on a story with 485 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: me and then when we got back to this station, 486 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: he said to me, oh, do you reckon I could 487 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: get a photo at the news desk. And I was like, well, yeah, 488 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: why not? So I took all these photos at the 489 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: news desks. I would just be something that one of 490 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: us would get stuck doing. Yeah, I just imagine it. 491 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, then the next day he put them all 492 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: on his Facebook profile and he said he worked at 493 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: seven oh no, And then everyone was like, oh the 494 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: hell did he get in there and all those photos 495 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: take it, wouldn't they have vision, Like there's always security, 496 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have gone back to look. It wasn't that 497 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: big of a deal. But I was like, oh, but 498 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: didn't he Also there was a weather lady there and 499 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: he literally knew like everything about her, like every detail. Well, 500 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: he went out and bought an autocue machine for himself. 501 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: He used to run his own news service, which, do 502 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: you know what props to him? He is actually working 503 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: as a journalist now and he's doing really well. Yeah. Well, 504 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: talking about interns, maybe don't hire one that's potentially going 505 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: to date your sister. Now, I'm just joking. My one 506 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: of my interns at the Thunderbirds ended up dating Sophie 507 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: and is now her boyfriend. I think, isn't that a 508 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: good thing? Then? Yeah, exactly, I was just joking. It's 509 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: so funny though, that's been well documented. Yeah, that's well documents. Sorry, 510 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: that's old news, do you know what you know? You're 511 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: talking about mistakes that people do and people being too eager. 512 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: It's funny because when we were at UNI, we always 513 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: used to have guests come in and you know, reporters 514 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: or producers or news directors, and they used to talk 515 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: about what they liked to see from people wanting a 516 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: job in the journalism industry. And they always claim that 517 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: they love being bugged because it shows assistance and all 518 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: of that kind of thing. But it's funny because I 519 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: remember someone saying that they loved getting a job application 520 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: that had a tea bag stuck to it, and it said, 521 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: now wait they like this, yeah, yeah, yeah, they love this. 522 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was so creative that someone said, now 523 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: have a cup of tea while you learn, Well, I 524 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: should get this job, And I thought, how late? Do 525 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: you know what the funny thing is, whenever we got 526 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: people applying for internships or jobs, we always talk them 527 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: on Facebook, and I think, make sure what your Facebook 528 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: is looking good, and the things that you want private 529 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: are private. Because some girl that wanted an internship, she 530 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: had all this crude things on her profile and her 531 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: giving the finger, and I'm like, why the hell would 532 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: we give you an internship. But it's so funny though, 533 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: but sometimes people look really normal when they come in 534 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: and they're just so not right for the job. I 535 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: think the other basic is just to not have your 536 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: resume roodled with errors and to get the people's names right. 537 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing worse than addressing something to the 538 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: wrong name. I think if you don't have much to 539 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: mention on your resume, you should just keep it brief 540 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: and sharp and snappy, because it's better to mention less 541 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: than mention all these random things that have nothing to 542 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: do with the role. I still remember when I was 543 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: at the Thunderbirds. I got an intern and she applied 544 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: and put a photo of herself on the resume, and 545 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: she also put down that she worked at some sort 546 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: of promo modeling place. And I'm not trying to be rude, 547 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: but when she rocked up, she looked completely different and 548 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: she could not have given less of a shit about 549 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: the job. It was literally just to tick off at 550 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: UNI that she had done in internship. That's just to 551 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: get all the CD men wanting her to come in, 552 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: isn't it what? No, this was at the Thunderbirds. Do 553 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: you know what's funny talking about people put their photos 554 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: on job applications. I do remember at that cafe that 555 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: we used to work at, this lady put her photo 556 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: on the job application and they're like, well, she looks 557 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, we'll put her in. So it depends 558 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: what job you're going. Actually, I remember working at the 559 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: bar we used to work, and I think someone applied 560 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: with their photo and immediately it was torn up because 561 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: everyone thought it was so up themselves and they didn't 562 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: want to work with someone like that. But they were 563 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: they were they quite good looking. Or I actually didn't 564 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: see the photo, so I can't comment. It's definitely a 565 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: bold move putting a photo on because at the end 566 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: of the day, we're in a social media era. People 567 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: are just going to look you up anyway. And can 568 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: I make an obvious comment? And I'm just going to 569 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: make it because I helped out someone with a resume 570 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: and they were applying and they got the job. Well, yeah, 571 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: they got the job, but basically they were applying for 572 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: a job at a sporting club and it wasn't me, 573 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: this is not Kate, and they actually played this particular 574 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: sport where they went for the job. Let's just say 575 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: for the podcast it was a baseball club. They played 576 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: baseball for fifteen years. They did not mention in their 577 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: have a letter or on their resume that they had 578 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: played baseball, and I said, hey, have you thought about 579 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: saying that you play baseball? They got the job. Well, 580 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: that's the thing I think people want to know. Organizations 581 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: want to know that you are actually passionate about what 582 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: they do or know what they do. So I heard 583 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: some great advice on a podcast where it says, in 584 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: your cover letter, actually say start off by saying, oh, 585 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: I'm really impressed by this project that you worked on, 586 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: or this that you do, or this about yourself, and 587 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: it makes you actually look like you want the job. 588 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: They're not. This is your one hundredth cover letter and 589 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: you're just over it, which is often what you feel 590 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: like when you're applying for jobs. Now, that leads to 591 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: another thing that I wanted to bring up was the 592 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: fact that you should I mean, this might sound obvious 593 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: that some people do it. You should never come into 594 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: an internship or a job and criticize your boss or 595 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: what they've done. And for instance, there was a girl 596 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: we used to go to UNI with and at the 597 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: said job she went for, she completely I could do 598 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: this better. This is no good. I think people don't 599 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: want you to come in there and pretend like you 600 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: know everything be impressed by that. I've heard that that's 601 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: actually I've heard people saying that as a tip would 602 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: they impress you. If someone message us and said that 603 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: would just use the heads up, no this isn't good, 604 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: it would not impress me at all. And the other 605 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: thing as well is that what I found working at 606 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: seven and different newsrooms is that a lot of interns 607 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: would come in and they would act to the camera guys. 608 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,239 Speaker 1: One is if the camera people were beneath them, and 609 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: two that they knew everything and they didn't need any help. 610 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: At any age, whatever age you are, you always can 611 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: learn new things, so you never should pretend that you 612 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: know it all, and you should always ask questions along 613 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: the way, try and find common interests with everybody that 614 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: works there. I mean, the cameramen are your best friends 615 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: working there. That's who you're going to travel around with 616 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: every day, and they're the ones that put the journals 617 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: forward for jobs. Any journalism students that listening, be nice 618 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: to your cameramen because they're going to make you look 619 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: good on camera, and they're also going to gossip about 620 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: you behind you back and tell the news director if 621 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: you're any good. Well, just in general, for any intern, 622 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: even if it's not in the media industry, just don't 623 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: be awkward, because I mean I was that awkward person 624 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: that was so shy they didn't know what to say 625 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: or do. And literally, when I was I think it 626 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: was in Channel ten newsroom, sat in the corner and 627 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: waited for them to take me out, and some days 628 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: I didn't get taken out anywhere, and I had to 629 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: pretend to read the newspaper for eight hours. I should 630 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: have shown initiative and gotten up and said, hey, can 631 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: I please go out? Or hey can I see what 632 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: you're doing? So I know it's hard because I've been 633 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: there before, so learn from me, but have some initiative. 634 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: Be confident when you're there. That's so true about initiative. 635 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: And I know this is very specific to news, but 636 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: if you can come up with a story idea, make 637 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: sure it's a good one, but come up with one 638 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: and tell the chief of staff. Now, we also said 639 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: we were going to talk about what happens when you 640 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: get your big break but then things change, And as 641 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: we touched on, we've all had that moment where we've 642 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: been in our dream job and then it's all changed 643 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 1: for various reasons. That's rights all tend to shit, And 644 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: so we're going to give you the first hand tips 645 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: because we all now work for ourselves, and I must 646 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: say it's the best job I've ever had. I'm the 647 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: best boss I've ever That's the thing though. Sometimes you 648 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: can think it's the worst thing that's ever happened to you, 649 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: but it can turn into the best thing that's ever 650 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: happened to you. Yeah, you can definitely get stuck in 651 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: a job. So for me, I felt very trapped in 652 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: a job that I was in, and unfortunately the decision 653 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: was made to make me redundant. We won't go into that, 654 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: but it is a bit of a wake up call 655 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: because you can be so loyal to a place, as 656 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: I was saying before, and then you're just cast aside 657 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: like you're nothing. Okay, And I've told you that in 658 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: the past, haven't I that you should not be loyal. 659 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: And do you know what irritates me is when you 660 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: see people who are working in specific jobs and I 661 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: won't go into specifics, but when they are so loyal 662 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: to that person that they will turn on another person 663 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: as well. Oh, don't even get me started. And you're like, 664 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: they're going to throw you under the bus next, Yeah, exactly. 665 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: If they're willing to do it to one employee, they're 666 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: going to do it to every employee. But do you 667 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: know what the great thing to come out of negative 668 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 1: experiences like that that we've all been through is you 669 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: are your performance. So if you are good at your job, 670 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: you are going to have impressed people along the way. 671 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: It might not be the employer that's kicked you to 672 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: the curb, but someone else will reach out to you 673 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: and give you a lifeline, which is what we have 674 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: all experienced in our now self employed careers. And at 675 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: the end of the day, you don't want to work 676 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: for someone who doesn't appreciate your skills. You're always going 677 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: to find something new or some new place that is 678 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: going to respect and appreciate you for what you do. Yeah, 679 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: So I think the most positive thing about having your 680 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: big break, and then I suppose losing that big break 681 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: is it makes you reassess what your goals are, what 682 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: you actually want to do, who you want to work for, 683 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: And I think that's the best thing ever. And the 684 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: funny thing is we're all going to experience job changes 685 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: throughout our life. I think the stats are that you've 686 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: meant to have eight different jobs over your lifetime. So 687 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: I think the best thing is to be able to pivot. Yeah, 688 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: as ross pivot. Get it. That is so true because yeah, 689 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: I think you just get stuck in something and it 690 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: becomes easy and you know what to do when you 691 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: get a little bit bored. But being bored is the 692 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: worst feeling. And it is good to be forced sometimes 693 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: to reassess because that's when good things happened. It is 694 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: so true though, even for instance with Kate, you know, 695 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: you moved on from the Thunderbirds to the thirty six 696 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: is and if you hadn't, you wouldn't have met your 697 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: new boyfriend. Like you never know, even on a personal level, 698 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: the new people that you let into your lives because 699 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: of these circumstances. And one final fun tip to end 700 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 1: on is always find yourself a work husband or wife. 701 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: They make work so much better. Oh my gosh, so 702 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: my work husband when I was at radio. His name 703 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: is Dom and he I don't want to age him, 704 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: but I think he was in his fifties when I 705 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: was there, and oh my goodness, he made work so bearable. 706 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: We used to go on Wednesday lunch dates. It's funny 707 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: I used to do. We still do now, No, we 708 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: still do. He's a lifelong friend. He is he's a 709 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: life long friend. I used to joke that people would 710 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: think he and I were having an affair because we 711 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: used to go on such long lunch breaks that we'd 712 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: have to walk in different entrances because we didn't want 713 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: to let people know that we were having lunch because 714 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: we felt bad if we were leaving out others. I'm disappointed. 715 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: I thought that I was your work wife. Well I 716 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: suppose you are now, Yeah, you can have multiple ones. Well, 717 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: the awkward thing for me is my work husband was 718 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Adam and he is the best guy, one of my 719 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: best friends, and he was so funny. And when I 720 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: left the Thunderbirds, that was the hardest thing because we 721 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: were just inseparable. And then he also got a job 722 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: at Titanium Security Arena, which was where the thirty Sixers 723 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: play from, so we were like friends again at work, 724 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: which was great. And then I also had Sophie's boyfriend 725 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: kind of as my work husband when I went to 726 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: the thirty Sixers because we were always hanging out, which 727 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: everyone thought was really funny. And then I might my 728 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: boyfriend at work. So I've had so many You've had 729 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: boyfriends work, I don't think I've had a work husband. 730 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: Left out they're the best. Yeah, they are. Well. Thank 731 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: you so much for listening and we hope we did 732 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: give some valuable and if there is anything else you 733 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: want to know, feel free to dm us at Outspoken 734 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: Underscore the Underscore Podcast. Also, we'd love if you could 735 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: join our Facebook community which is Outspoken Podcast Community. 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