Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frimes.
Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 3: Flex and Frooms on Catera. Recently out of conversation I
Speaker 3: wasn't expecting to have in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's because I've curated my life so specifically that I
Speaker 3: don't have to engage in things that I don't relate
Speaker 3: to in the slidest but I was interacting with an acquaintance.
Speaker 3: I would say, who said to me or who remarked
Speaker 3: that they were surprised I had a whole mouthful of
Speaker 3: tooth gems. I haven't diden my teeth recently, I would say,
Speaker 3: the front like all of them, All of my front
Speaker 3: teeth have specklings of tooth gems. There's maybe fifty in
Speaker 3: my mouth as we speak. And this person said, do
Speaker 3: I find trouble with work like? Is that a consideration?
Speaker 3: To which I said, in so many words, no, it's
Speaker 3: not an issue. And they remark that they were going
Speaker 3: for a job in a creative field and had recently
Speaker 3: got their single tooth gem removed, cut their blonde balliaged
Speaker 3: hair to a short brown bob, and gotten a new outfit.
Speaker 3: To be quote unquote taken seriously. I don't want to
Speaker 3: be that person who acts like their naive about the
Speaker 3: way the world works. But I was like, really, was
Speaker 3: that all necessary for a creative job? Are we doing that?
Speaker 1: Still?
Speaker 3: I'm not I stopt being professional. At least in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: I will say that's a privilege that we have because
Speaker 2: and I earned it.
Speaker 1: Thank you exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like, how I'm really goofy over email? Yeah that
Speaker 2: came after seven years of best.
Speaker 3: Yeah kind of yeah, yeah, dear, do you want too
Speaker 3: many deers?
Speaker 2: When I finished school and I was trying to get
Speaker 2: into UNI, you had to do this interview to get
Speaker 2: into the course that I wanted to do, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I really really want this.
Speaker 2: And so I went out and bought like a pussy
Speaker 2: bow blouse and a little skirt with tights and boots
Speaker 2: and yeah, like the thing had a pussy bowl on it, right,
Speaker 2: So it's like giving nine in fifties the way you keep.
Speaker 1: Saying it again, and and I know, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So it came up with pussy bow blouse. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: rock into iron my tea in my pussy bow blouse
Speaker 2: and I walk in. The guy said, why are you
Speaker 2: dressed like that? The lecturer, he says, why are you
Speaker 2: dressed like that? I'm taking it back. I thought, are
Speaker 2: you even allowed to say that? Like I'm thinking, am
Speaker 2: I gonna be able to get you dismissed? This is
Speaker 2: my Precaren era. Okay, it was bubblon Karen Oris in
Speaker 2: the story. And you know, so that that was an example.
Speaker 2: It's like that was a very creative course. But I
Speaker 2: took it really seriously and I really wanted something. I
Speaker 2: think desperation does funny things to people.
Speaker 3: Desperation is a theme that keeps coming up for us,
Speaker 3: and it's a new one. Not that we are but
Speaker 3: we're seeing it in the world, and you know, the
Speaker 3: world is you reflected back?
Speaker 1: Can I get it?
Speaker 4: Who rah?
Speaker 1: Who Rah?
Speaker 2: I get who Rah.
Speaker 3: It's a tricky one because, like I said, when I
Speaker 3: looked at this person, and I'm just gonna say what,
Speaker 3: it was plain Caucasian woman, like the most quote unquote
Speaker 3: inoffensive type of woman in Australia for Australian standards. We
Speaker 3: don't need to go too deeply into it. And so
Speaker 3: when I thought, when I looked at her, I was like, damn, like,
Speaker 3: you got a generic name, you know.
Speaker 2: Holly, it's not I don't want to. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Is that generic? I said, you got a generic name.
Speaker 3: You know, you're seen as neutral, you are conventionally attractive,
Speaker 3: and it's so interesting that you've taken these additional steps
Speaker 3: to be considered as someone who is worthy of taking
Speaker 3: up this space. I remember she was also mentioning that,
Speaker 3: like she knows someone who's offering, sorry, who's asking for
Speaker 3: double what she's asking for. And I'm thinking, damn, Like
Speaker 3: I remember when I used to work in more traditionally
Speaker 3: corporate spaces and at every interview they'd be like, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Thought you were German.
Speaker 3: Oh I was on the phone with you and I
Speaker 3: saw your name and I heard your voice and I
Speaker 3: thought you were German. It's like, oh are you? And
Speaker 3: it kept coming up and I'm like, oh, it wasn't
Speaker 3: giving African on paper on the phone, and you got
Speaker 3: confus use.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, like I really just sweped in.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know there was privilege in having a
Speaker 3: name like Lilian, Lilian a Hanken, because like a Hanken,
Speaker 3: I guess, isn't screaming African.
Speaker 1: They're kind of like, oh, there's a k in there.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a European ish And so I was like, whoa.
Speaker 3: That was like a little silent privilege I was getting.
Speaker 3: I didn't even clock it. But then, as you know,
Speaker 3: like even if we talk about this creative industry that
Speaker 3: we're in, it's like, if I was going to be
Speaker 3: ostracized from the job, it's not the things that I
Speaker 3: can put on and take off, do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, It's.
Speaker 1: Like the permanent things that we can't change.
Speaker 3: So I'm like tooth Gym's gotta stay on, you know,
Speaker 3: being outlandish. It's like we're just adding to it becauseish,
Speaker 3: if I wasn't gonna be here, it's for other reasons.
Speaker 3: But you said something really apt at our Specsaveror's live
Speaker 3: show about how like, are we perpetuating beauty standards by
Speaker 3: acknowledging that there are beauty standards? And similarly, are we
Speaker 3: perpetuating professionalism by you know, getting that cool job and
Speaker 3: recognizing that we've got to change ourselves to get said job,
Speaker 3: or like I'm going to hide my tattoos and put
Speaker 3: them back on. And it's obviously two prongs like one,
Speaker 3: don't be a dummy, like if you know what's required
Speaker 3: to get the job, and you can like Vanessa system
Speaker 3: a little bit for system.
Speaker 1: But then also.
Speaker 3: What is best case scenario and do you have the
Speaker 3: bandwidth to work towards that in your own small way.
Speaker 2: So some would say we are game changers, tastemakers.
Speaker 1: I think everyone would say, be crazier. We need to
Speaker 1: be crazy.
Speaker 2: We need to do some crazy things to make the
Speaker 2: average tooths gym wearing. Yeah, women feels safe and secure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to raise the bar and we'll do
Speaker 1: it a half time time again, do it?
Speaker 2: What can I do that's giving something a bit crazier.
Speaker 3: Show your timmy at work like I do. Don't hide
Speaker 3: your belly button and don't put on shoes either.
Speaker 1: He will hate her.
Speaker 2: I was putting my ship, was putting my feet up the.
Speaker 1: Company so far, I was wondering. I was like, and
Speaker 1: that is pushing the.
Speaker 3: Needle forward when it comes to equality and diversity.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Flex and frooms they're the best.
Speaker 3: Last week or the week before, sometime in February, we
Speaker 3: had a live show with Specsavers.
Speaker 1: Shout out.
Speaker 3: I said it before, I said again, thank you for
Speaker 3: spending your marketing budget on us. It's well spent for
Speaker 3: the least, and you will get a return sometime within
Speaker 3: the near future that the stock has gone up. But
Speaker 3: we talked about this idea of wasting our time or
Speaker 3: money on fashion, and then I've been thinking about the
Speaker 3: concept broadly since would I rather waste my time or
Speaker 3: money generally? And I feel like I have I'm really
Speaker 3: good at wasting my money.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: It's one of those things where you know, grow up
Speaker 3: in poverty, single parent, household, mums a clean or whatever.
Speaker 3: Then you got a bit of money and I'm like,
Speaker 3: who cares, I never had it. Let's just spend it.
Speaker 3: Spend it on me, spend it on you, spend it
Speaker 3: on stuff. I don't have value the value of stuff.
Speaker 3: And then I grow up, I start running businesses and
Speaker 3: paying something like okay, there's a value here.
Speaker 1: I understand it.
Speaker 3: Now the dial is shifted and I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 3: need to waste my time some more. I don't think
Speaker 3: I'm really good at wasting my time properly. I used
Speaker 3: to find myself in conversations and being really aware of
Speaker 3: like where else I could be, and like this is
Speaker 3: taking a really long time. What do they want? What
Speaker 3: are we getting to? Which's not a sexy place to be.
Speaker 3: I feel like something about knowing how to waste time well,
Speaker 3: feels like the opposite of desperation. If you're someone who's
Speaker 3: really like I'm wasting him to time?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? There's a desperate energy about that.
Speaker 1: It's like, let it go.
Speaker 3: Where are you trying to go? Why can't it just
Speaker 3: be chill and fine right here?
Speaker 2: Totally chasing the dragon?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just think, but I think this week
Speaker 3: I overcorrected because we're moving out of our commercial office
Speaker 3: space and moving operations to Melbourne. It's phase one of
Speaker 3: my phase three project of trying to move to Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Personally, absolutely absolutely, Oh my god. Just imagine if you're
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, you would bring a certain glamorous esocence that
Speaker 2: the city is desperate for. Okay, yes, no.
Speaker 4: More nonderground grassroots.
Speaker 2: No more Berlin core. Okay, we need some color.
Speaker 1: Bring in some premium corporate.
Speaker 2: It's like brains during Prideways.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to bring to Melbourne a sense of Hm,
Speaker 4: how do you say?
Speaker 1: This was signed off?
Speaker 3: But I was like, Okay, I'm learning how to waste
Speaker 3: less of my money, right, and so we have to
Speaker 3: we painted the office or colorful and we've got to
Speaker 3: paint it back white.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll do it myself. I just
Speaker 1: wondering myself, you know. So tell me why we go
Speaker 1: to Bunnings. I'm spending like five dollars worth of paint
Speaker 1: and paint tools the.
Speaker 3: C I'm spending a full day of work painting an
Speaker 3: office we got we got saliha stuff. Member spending a
Speaker 3: full day painting first to get to the end of
Speaker 3: the day and not be done.
Speaker 1: So what are we doing?
Speaker 3: I can't get it together, So I'm in progress. My
Speaker 3: life is a whip at the moment. What's going on?
Speaker 1: But I'm making changes in some way.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my life is a whip. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a good tattoo.
Speaker 1: It's giving corporate.
Speaker 2: Flex and we hear at the Flex and froom show
Speaker 2: and I will say, we are law abiding citizens. Have
Speaker 2: you ever been arrested?
Speaker 3: Reck?
Speaker 1: Can? I have for sure for sure?
Speaker 2: Never never been strip searched, which, if anything needs to
Speaker 2: be abolished, it's a strip search, thank you. No jokes
Speaker 2: or dramas there never. Oh. I have been pulled over
Speaker 2: once or twice, but that's not the moral of a story.
Speaker 2: I was driving down King Street yesterday, minding my own business,
Speaker 2: going to swap to go pick up some clothes, and
Speaker 2: I noticed it was quite a every police presence on
Speaker 2: this fine day, and I thought I would notice that
Speaker 2: the only time I see police in my neighborhood is
Speaker 2: on a Saturday night. And you know why little exchange
Speaker 2: is happening in cars, right, I see it every Saturday.
Speaker 2: From driving around. You see the cops doing.
Speaker 1: A little busts, the undercover.
Speaker 2: But in terms of like the day to day police
Speaker 2: presence on the roads, I don't really travel on the
Speaker 2: roads where I see them that often. However, doming on
Speaker 2: King Street, I feel a police car next to me.
Speaker 2: It's almost like cosmic. I just knew they were there,
Speaker 2: and I turned and I just thought, I'm going to
Speaker 2: look at them and see if they're looking at me.
Speaker 1: Setting dominant. I get it.
Speaker 2: Literally, this thing that I like to do when I
Speaker 2: see police people. I like to look at them in
Speaker 2: the eye because I know I'm not doing anything wrong,
Speaker 2: but I want to invite I want to invite them
Speaker 2: to like test me. So I look over like this
Speaker 2: and I go.
Speaker 1: You smile at the cars. I smiled at the cop.
Speaker 2: And the guy looks at me like this, not a
Speaker 2: hint of emotion on that man's face.
Speaker 1: That one came out of a lab. That's the robot.
Speaker 2: Sociopaths allowed to be police people.
Speaker 1: How did we get here?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I have an inviting smile. I'm a
Speaker 2: citizen with no of rests under the belt. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: a non threatening energy on my face. I gave him
Speaker 2: the nicest smile and he just looked at me, dead
Speaker 2: dead in the eyes.
Speaker 1: For how long?
Speaker 2: I thought, you're making me want to commit a crime?
Speaker 1: Three to five?
Speaker 2: You know what I did?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know what I did?
Speaker 4: Did you?
Speaker 2: We were side by side of the lights and there
Speaker 2: was a parked car up top, so someone was gonna
Speaker 2: have to merge. No, it's his own mind, you but
Speaker 2: I kept under You would have accelerated and then slowed down,
Speaker 2: sloped down, and then when even Yeah, anyway, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna I don't want to incite the police.
Speaker 1: But he knows to the buses, bloody Oh, he's well aware.
Speaker 2: If you're a policeman, just smile. Okay, let's just bring
Speaker 2: the vibes up the community.
Speaker 3: Yeah, moroun needs to come way up because unfortunately the
Speaker 3: presence of your community is bringing the vibe down and
Speaker 3: it's a big burden to carry on your own. To
Speaker 3: do us a service, do yourself a service, give us
Speaker 3: a smiler.
Speaker 1: M This is.
Speaker 2: Sitting, This is flex and frooms on cater. The Flexing
Speaker 2: Froom show wouldn't be the Flexing Froom Show if we
Speaker 2: didn't bring some of our flavor and essence to the show.
Speaker 1: I was, where is this going?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't know half the time. And that is
Speaker 2: that we love to cross promote. Oh yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: genius marketers. Yeah, I studied advertising. You grew up in
Speaker 2: the club scene.
Speaker 4: Having you attended you did you wear a door out
Speaker 4: to a club? That is?
Speaker 1: That is where we connect on this. You're sick anyway,
Speaker 1: I get it. Tertially educated queen. Let me know what
Speaker 1: else we did?
Speaker 2: So like the three periods, your lips is like you know,
Speaker 2: when something's loading, it's like ding ding ne ding anyway.
Speaker 2: Across marketing, decision would be to tell you about my
Speaker 2: live show Besties with Lewis Hansen. He is a Melbourne comedian,
Speaker 2: content creator, writer, one of our own, one of our
Speaker 2: brethren and we have put a live show together to
Speaker 2: be doing in Melbourne as part of the Melbourne Comedy Festival.
Speaker 2: And I wanted to bring it on the show to say, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: buy tickets too late. Guess what twelve hours that even.
Speaker 3: Yesterday when you're like, oh my god, it's selling, I
Speaker 3: was like, someone out that quickly, twelve hours sold out.
Speaker 1: People can't say that. People can't say that.
Speaker 2: I got my manager on the phone. Should we move
Speaker 2: it over to were gon.
Speaker 1: Need to move it to the stadium? They said, we're
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Let's call me Salva. Let's take No.
Speaker 2: They're like, well do you want to do like the
Speaker 2: Capital Theater And I said, babe, respectfully, I turn it
Speaker 2: down because I thought.
Speaker 1: No, let's take the win that you have the win exactly.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go back to.
Speaker 1: The drawing war. Give that gold for bron yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly, we would know we've got it. Not just kidding,
Speaker 2: just kidding. Podcast award, no, no bronze in front of it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I will say if you bought tickets, I
Speaker 2: was very insistent on sorry that if you were a
Speaker 2: day oner, get the ticket, okay, And I said it
Speaker 2: time and time again. I've got my friends blowing up
Speaker 2: my phone.
Speaker 1: I do not disturb for that one.
Speaker 2: I said, guys, buy the ticket. Okay, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to give you freebies. Some of the people don't realize
Speaker 2: with shows and music shows, and I'm realizing this now
Speaker 2: as a punter. Pay for the ticket.
Speaker 1: It's a bit of fun.
Speaker 2: You're paying your friend. Also, I've got I've got overheads
Speaker 2: to pay for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, overhead, yeah, pay for the ticket.
Speaker 3: But also if you want to do something getting quick,
Speaker 3: there's something I don't know if it's like just the
Speaker 3: just a young person thing or an Australian thing, but
Speaker 3: there's this weird incompatible energy of being excited for something
Speaker 3: and then not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say pull in the trigger. What
Speaker 1: is another term here?
Speaker 2: We can do that. There's no guns in a shay Okay,
Speaker 2: there's no content Australia.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Like everyone's like, oh, I'm so excited. If it said so,
Speaker 3: then why are you on the Instagram story doing Hey?
Speaker 3: Anyone telling you tickets? Were you really excited? Do you
Speaker 3: not have a calendar?
Speaker 2: Hurry up?
Speaker 1: Maybe payday wasn't on that day? I get it.
Speaker 2: I'll do payment plans next time after pay for easy payments. Anyway,
Speaker 2: if you've got tickets and you're listening to the podcast,
Speaker 2: hit me up. I'm going to organize a guest list
Speaker 2: for my favorite club afterwards, so I'll let you know
Speaker 2: the details. Just want to say a big thank you
Speaker 2: supporting me. I got some high school best friends, didn't
Speaker 2: quite get around to it, and now they're in my DMS.
Speaker 2: You know who you are.
Speaker 1: Flex and Firms, Flex.
Speaker 2: And Frames cater never miss a beat, FLEXI. I want
Speaker 2: to talk about money. Seems to be recurring theme on
Speaker 2: the show is a crass they talk about.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're pushing the dial, as we said earlier, pushing the
Speaker 2: dial on a lot of things. Sometimesime we push the dollar.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're going backwards or forwards.
Speaker 3: I don't think it matters. It's all about momentum. Life
Speaker 3: is sicklefl anyway, We're always going backwards and forwards.
Speaker 2: That's true quantum vibes. I was invited to a sit
Speaker 2: down dinner recently for a birthday all paid for. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and I thought, does that mean I have to bring
Speaker 2: a birthday present?
Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
Speaker 2: Well, this is my qualm.
Speaker 1: Has it happened?
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's coming out. It's it's in April, and
Speaker 2: like we've got a lot, a lot of time to pray.
Speaker 2: Like it's going to be a really nice party. And
Speaker 2: the person whose party it is is really rich, Like
Speaker 2: they have a lot of money and they've got amazing tastes,
Speaker 2: like they've got all this, and like I could never
Speaker 2: even think of a gift to get them, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to their party and I'm like, I am in
Speaker 2: gift paralysis. I don't know what to get you that
Speaker 2: you don't already have that is within my means and
Speaker 2: our friendship level.
Speaker 1: You know, I love this so much.
Speaker 2: Like they're not one of my close close friends, but
Speaker 2: I'm I made the carton and I wouldn't say, you know,
Speaker 2: as we know, fougal friends stand up. I think I'm
Speaker 2: quite generous when it comes to my immediate friends, you know,
Speaker 2: three for besties, but yeah, when it comes to bigger
Speaker 2: group presidents and stuff, I find it hard.
Speaker 1: It is quite difficult.
Speaker 3: And we have this conversation a lot because, as we've
Speaker 3: just discussed, I'm very flippant with my money and we
Speaker 3: need to figure that out a little bit. So in
Speaker 3: this instance, if I'm going to like an acquaintance or
Speaker 3: like a party friend's party, I wouldn't come empty handed,
Speaker 3: like I would just like bring a bottle or something
Speaker 3: I don't know, because for the optics it kind of
Speaker 3: looks good. I can imagine in this instance, whenever I've
Speaker 3: paid for my like a full birthday affair with no expectation,
Speaker 3: it's because I didn't want someone else's funds to limit
Speaker 3: my birthday experience. Right I'm hosting the birthday I want
Speaker 3: to host, and I'm in finding people I want to invite.
Speaker 3: It's not a burden for you to show up and
Speaker 3: have to match that. What I will say, though, is
Speaker 3: if you can't match in value, then you you increase
Speaker 3: the sentimentality. You know, you write something, you make something
Speaker 3: like let's say you wrote her really thoughtful letter, or
Speaker 3: you like got her like a cute little I don't know,
Speaker 3: like a knickknack, like you got her like a cute
Speaker 3: little tier cards and like a little Crystal wrote her
Speaker 3: a lot of be like this is so nice. We're
Speaker 3: new friends, but I'm so grateful to be here. You
Speaker 3: wax seal it thoughtful.
Speaker 2: Got to hear your wax seals.
Speaker 3: So fun, right, as opposed to being like, wait, I
Speaker 3: gotta get her the six hundred dollar diptyque candle and go,
Speaker 3: you know, go broke because I've been invited. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think where you can just go with sentimentality because giving
Speaker 3: a good giving a good gift is not a simple task,
Speaker 3: and I don't think it should be undertaken on any
Speaker 3: average day.
Speaker 2: I agree, it's gonna be thought about. Then I thought
Speaker 2: about flowers, but bringing the flowers to the Yeah, leave
Speaker 2: it alone.
Speaker 3: And you don't want to look like you're doing too
Speaker 3: much like you did say you're like kind of a
Speaker 3: periphery friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's just so complicated.
Speaker 1: Keep it subtle and light.
Speaker 3: And I would say, like giving a gift where it
Speaker 3: has like no real discernible value, Like it's like a crystal.
Speaker 3: What is a crystal? Someone who doesn't like crystals, it's
Speaker 3: a crystal to rock, but a crystal keet a little letter,
Speaker 3: here's for me. It's sweet, okay, And it's about the exchange,
Speaker 3: not the quality of the gift.
Speaker 2: So true. All right, we'll keep you posted on what
Speaker 2: I get.
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