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Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello.

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Speaker 1: Today on the pod we have the iconic Kiwi comic

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Speaker 1: Ray O'Leary. He's incredible. He's quite famous for his deadpan delivery.

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Speaker 1: You will have definitely seen him on the tally on

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Speaker 1: have you been paying attention on Taskmaster? And he said

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Speaker 1: yes to jumping on the pod? And can I say,

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Speaker 1: very very humble and so kind. You're gonna learn loads

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Speaker 1: from this, whether you're in to being a stand up

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Speaker 1: comic or not. There is something for everyone in this

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Speaker 1: And because he's just so honest about his experience of life,

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Speaker 1: it's just a really no like fascinating chat. And I

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Speaker 1: walked away so inspired and yeah, very funny, very dry

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Speaker 1: and very sweet and humble. Ray only are we thanks

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Speaker 1: for jumping on the pod.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having Mela.

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Speaker 1: Do you know I always sent a list of people

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Speaker 1: that I could have, and as soon as I saw

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Speaker 1: your name, I was like, right.

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Speaker 2: How short was this list?

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Speaker 1: It was a solid list, my friend. So I feel

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Speaker 1: very lucky that you said yes, jumping on this.

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Speaker 2: But no, thank you so much for having me. I'm

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Speaker 2: exciting to be here. I know a lot about failing,

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Speaker 2: so it's.

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Speaker 1: Great and let's take it away. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: get really nervous when I interview a comedian. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be really honest with you because it's like, oh shit,

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Speaker 1: I might not be funny enough to even hold court,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's kind of scary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get say. Lots of people are like that,

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Speaker 2: and so many people will come up to you and

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Speaker 2: say things like they will start to tell you a

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Speaker 2: story and they'll be like, don't use this on stage. Don't. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's like a constant thing. And people are bad at

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Speaker 2: predicting what things they They think they're telling you an

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Speaker 2: interesting story and they'll be like, don't, don't even talk

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Speaker 2: about this on stage, and they tell you the most

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Speaker 2: boring thing. They never pick up on the things that

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Speaker 2: they think they never realize what they're the weird stuff.

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Speaker 2: They're actually saying, they're like the stuff that's actually interesting

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Speaker 2: I wanted to. I remember my Auntie was like, don't

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Speaker 2: talk about this on stage. And then later on in

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Speaker 2: the conversation we just naturally shifted to something else and

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Speaker 2: she started showing me pictures of a horse giving birth,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, this is what I would talk about,

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Speaker 2: this horse after birth. You're showing the while while we're

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Speaker 2: having Brunch's amazing. I thought I would talk about.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, so good. I've watched a fair bit

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Speaker 1: of your content. Oh my goodness, you've got me. No,

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Speaker 1: you have like literally had me, because I'm a bit

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Speaker 1: of an A type personality when when someone says yes

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Speaker 1: to the pot, I'm like, all right, deep dive time, Like,

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Speaker 1: let's soak up as much. And I'm sitting in my

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Speaker 1: headphones on my boyfriend's asleep in bed in the hotel room,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just like cackling away watching your stand up.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: But is it true that you start you've got a

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Speaker 1: masters in philosophy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. Yes you have done your.

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Speaker 1: Recent But I mean, what an interesting, I mean amazing

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Speaker 1: thing to study? But what made you want to go? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to UNI and study philosophy.

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Speaker 2: It's a good it's a good question. I think it was.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was I think maybe being raised with the

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Speaker 2: belief in God, I think, is what what did it?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: I was raised Catholic, same Roman Catholic. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was given a boot called Sophie's World, which I

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Speaker 2: a book about philosophy. And I think it was maybe

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Speaker 2: that's I think what drove it? But unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately

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Speaker 1: You've got this degree that you're like, how do you

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Speaker 2: I mean your parents, what are you going to do

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Speaker 2: with that? Are you going to give your money? Well?

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Speaker 1: No, didn't you work in public?

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Speaker 2: Oh you have done? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: most interesting civil servant job I had. I was a

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Speaker 2: policy advisor for the Department of Corrections on New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: So does that mean you get to make decisions or not?

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Speaker 2: I was there was someone in the department had a

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Speaker 2: It was if comedy doesn't work out, which I was

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Speaker 1: No, you are, you're well on your way.

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Speaker 2: Well, the civil services, I'm always there, the public service,

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Speaker 1: So I got to ask what made you what made

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Speaker 2: You have to get up at you know, well before nine, you.

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Speaker 2: To be there at nine, you have to stay. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I basically as soon as I got this, like

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Speaker 2: remember thinking, I've got all this money now, but I've

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Speaker 2: And it's I hate having to get up and go

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Speaker 2: lot of people growing up had always told me like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you should do comedy, and like I'd always been tempted

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Speaker 2: I think that's what drew me towards comedy and away

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Speaker 1: Oh mate, well, because you are obviously so the thing

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Speaker 1: that I love about you is like there's this like

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Speaker 2: Picked up on that.

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Speaker 1: But so did it start with like did you start

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I was, I was so obsessed

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Speaker 1: Oh but that's great guys on the price.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. And I listened to enough comedy

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Speaker 2: very bad. But I hate my job and or not,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't the actual job itself, I didn't hate,

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Speaker 2: And I yeah, and I listened to enough podcasts. I

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Speaker 2: So but as so long as I can make about

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Speaker 2: I know it's part of your character, but you should

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Speaker 1: But do you still get nervous when you do stand up?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely every single time? Everything. Yeah, it hasn't gone away,

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Speaker 2: which is a shame. You think you think it go away.

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Speaker 2: It does. I mean it gets better and worse, But

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Speaker 2: I'm still nervous. I still pay pays backstage. I still

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Speaker 2: create a real anxious vibe, real terrible vibe in the

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Speaker 1: No, but people say, isn't isn't public speaking in front

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Speaker 1: of people a fear worse than death, Like for a

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Speaker 2: It is? It is, which makes you Yeah, it makes

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Speaker 2: you think maybe it's a normal reaction to be so

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Speaker 2: afraid on stage, but it definitely makes comedians a bit psychotic,

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Speaker 2: I think, to be constantly exposing themselves, you know, doing

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Speaker 2: the thing that everyone else is.

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Speaker 1: Afraid to do consistently, and then trying to be front. Well,

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Speaker 1: like there's a goal, a harder goal, like public speaking

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Speaker 1: is one thing, but like stand up comedy to me

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Speaker 2: Whole other bit. Yes, absolutely, yes, what have do you know?

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Speaker 2: Mean absolutely, I mean when you say really stuffed up,

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Speaker 1: Has the Melburne Comedy Festival been on this you already?

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Speaker 1: So you're thinking about next year?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, as soon as the festivals were done, I was like, Christ,

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Speaker 1: Because didn't you get non for Best Newcomer or something amazing?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. That's why I brought it up.

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Speaker 1: War so in all truth, So you the Comedy Festival wraps,

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Speaker 2: luckily I had the Sydney Comedy fistal and the New

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Speaker 1: Such a directory like? Because I know for a Keiwi

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Speaker 2: As consistently one I don't know how many years in

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Speaker 1: Just you're terrible. Yeah, and they that's the thing in America.

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

436
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Speaker 2: I'm just still in that you're still rolling around in

437
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Speaker 2: the ash.

438
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 1: Absolutely literally cleaning up puey toilets in a yogurture. Anyway. Literally,

439
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: this guy was coming in for his class and he goes, hey, hey, Laula,

440
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: how are you? And I was like, yeah, oh, I said, hey,

441
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: how are you? Ben, Like you're coming to do class here?

442
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: Tick you off. He's a yoga mat and he's like,

443
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 1: I go how are you? And he's like, fine, how

444
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 1: are you? And he did not expect me to answer obviously,

445
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 1: like and I should not have.

446
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,719
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be talking to them.

447
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 1: Well, I should just been like, great, thanks, enjoying class.

448
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: That's what I was meant to do, he said. I

449
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh, mate, I'm dog sitting these dogs. One

450
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: chat in my shoe overnight, the other one pissed in

451
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: the other shoe. I was like, I don't know why

452
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 1: they're obsessed with my shoes and my prize possession shoe sneakers. Anyway,

453
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: and I just saw his face just like go flat

454
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Speaker 1: like and I was just like and all my boss

455
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: was saying as me, He's like, my boss goes, what

456
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: are you doing? I was like answering the question, mate,

457
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest. And it just did not land

458
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Speaker 1: with an American audience. I don't know what I did,

459
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: but I scared, Like he was just like, who is

460
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: this girl? And it's just such a different like style

461
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: of like communication over there. So I'd love to see

462
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Speaker 1: you to America.

463
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, they'd be like this guy, this guy, the

464
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 2: way he's talking about himself, it makes themself like the worst,

465
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: the worst.

466
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Speaker 1: It's so good. I have to ask you, because I

467
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: have watched you a fair bit on have you been

468
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: paying attention? I'm so funny, can I ask I've never

469
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: asked somebody that's been on the show this question. Have

470
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: you seen any of it? Do you know anything that's coming?

471
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: Like have they sent you a package and being like

472
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: you know we're going to talk about this, this and

473
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Speaker 1: this and this today? No?

474
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: No, but you do you get a since like because

475
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 2: like I've done the New Zealand one a lot more,

476
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 2: which you used to hear it might be coming back, hopefully,

477
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: and you get a sense for what the questions are

478
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: going to be about and things like that by the

479
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 2: like the way the show is structured, Like the first

480
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: few questions are always going to be like big the

481
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Speaker 2: biggest news stories. So you're like what's been in the

482
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Speaker 2: news lately, and it's always going to be something about

483
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Speaker 2: alban and easy. You know, like there's like there's got

484
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: to be things you got you know, pull in hands

485
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: and probably get mentioned and have you like watch especially

486
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Speaker 2: the Australian's got quite a logic to it, especially the

487
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Speaker 2: first segment. Yeah, they always like start with like big

488
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: Australian stories and they shift to like big International year

489
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: and so then there's like there's gonna be something about

490
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: the Royals. There's gonna be something like there's always going

491
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 2: to be there's probably a picture of Kim John looking

492
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: at something coming up. Is like there's like he looks

493
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 2: at a lot of things. Yeah, he's always looking at

494
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: a missile or something.

495
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: It's going to be Harry and me and.

496
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: They'll always been up to something. The Pope's probably done

497
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: something putin he's been a bit quiet lately.

498
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: You can kind of predict it a little bit.

499
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: There's like you get to you know what's going to

500
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: be you know, like if the Matilda's on, You're like, okay,

501
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: well the Matilda's you know, do you have that?

502
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Speaker 1: Does that mean you have a few things up your

503
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Speaker 1: sleeve or are you kind of going in with just

504
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: like let's roll with this.

505
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more like you know what's going to be

506
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: coming up. Okay, Yeah, you have a sense of what's

507
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: going to be spoken about.

508
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Speaker 1: And my question for you is because you seem to

509
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Speaker 1: be pretty fearless with pushing the envelope.

510
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, I do. It's it's I mean, I'll

511
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Speaker 2: literal ask you a question.

512
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: No, my question is literally like I do you feel

513
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Speaker 1: I am terrible asking questions? Aren't I? As a podcast?

514
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: So some very statement? No, not at all, not at all,

515
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: not at all. So yeah, like I was watching a

516
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: highlight package last night of you on have you been

517
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: paying attention? And I think the thing that came up

518
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: was Megan and Harry and and the thing was what

519
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: is Megan?

520
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: What does she just debut?

521
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: Or just yes?

522
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 2: And you said did I say a white baby?

523
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Speaker 1: You did? You did? And you could hear everyone be

524
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: like in the audience, right, So, how do you like,

525
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: what's your barometer of the envelope.

526
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: That's that's a great question, and it was something I

527
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: thought in that instance, I was, I did. I got

528
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: at least one ancry message about that, Yes, ione did.

529
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: I am I. But my feeling about that joke was

530
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: that I was making fun of and referencing what I

531
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: think it was Prince Philip had allegedly said, yeah, like

532
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: Prince that the Royal family was racist. You know, I was.

533
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: It was a reference to that, not me, not me

534
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: endorsing the racism, but me making fun of the Royal

535
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: family for be a racist and so that but that

536
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 2: is something that can it does worry me a lot,

537
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: because I do feel like there's quite a lot of like,

538
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: like I hate comedians who are just iggy for Iggy's sake,

539
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: Like it's very easy to go up on stage and

540
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: say something that's shocking or rude and upset people, but

541
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: the unfortunate. But there's something about being very close to

542
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: the line which is quite funny and so and figuring

543
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: out how to do this high wire balancing act real. Yeah,

544
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 2: Like I don't like I do like being like he's

545
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: pushing the envelope. I suppose maybe you'd call it. But

546
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: I don't like punching down as the as the comedy term,

547
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: you know, I don't. I don't want people. I want

548
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: people to watch it and laugh and not feel upset,

549
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: you know. But but I would like to get to

550
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: I would like to be maybe a risky area, you know,

551
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: because some people, you know, some people were shocked by

552
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: some people love the joke. Yeah, yeah, but that's it

553
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: is something that weighs hugely on my mind. I don't

554
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: want to you know, if I found you know, if

555
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 2: someone messaged me after a show and was like, oh,

556
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: that joke really upset me, I wish you hadn't said that.

557
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: There's something I would weigh heavily on my mind.

558
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you've heard Ricky talks a lot about it,

559
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: doesn't he He talks. Actually saw him at the Hollywood

560
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Speaker 1: Bowl a couple of months ago.

561
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Speaker 2: Really yeah, and do you know he gave he a.

562
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what percentage of the tickets, but he

563
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: gave so many animal rescue, like a huge amount, was.

564
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Speaker 2: Like donated all the Yeah.

565
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Speaker 1: No, what a sweet ones. I guess he's got a

566
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Speaker 1: bit extra, doesn't he?

567
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Speaker 2: Is that a pun on the No, it's not but he.

568
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Speaker 1: He always says, like, I'm not doing it to hurt people,

569
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: but like, if you're offended, that's not my He kind

570
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: of says, it's not my problem if you do get offended.

571
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that his whole stick about it?

572
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: I think that's that is his whole stick, and he's

573
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: he was definitely willing to say things that I would

574
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Speaker 2: never say.

575
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: No. No. He takes it to a whole new, whole

576
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Speaker 1: new level.

577
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: And I don't. I don't think I have quite that

578
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: approach to it. I think there is I think it's

579
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: there's I remember, there's there's a good there are people

580
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 2: have talked about it. I think there's people who think

581
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: comedy can never be offensive and people who think comedy

582
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: can only be offensive are the two worst groups of people.

583
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: I think. I think there's some sort of there's a

584
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: there's a healthy middle ground break somewhere in there. And

585
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: I think it is okay to say sometimes shocking things

586
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: on stage, provided there's a greater comedic point to be made.

587
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: But I also wouldn't want to, Like, I like, there's

588
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: some things that Ricky gas is about, say trans people,

589
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: I would I would never feel comfortable saying. And I

590
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: don't personally endorse myself. No that I hear what you're saying, yes,

591
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: but so I would take some responsibility if some people

592
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: felt upset by certain jokes. On the other hand, I

593
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: also before I go on stage, I do try, you know,

594
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: I like to write what I say down and I write,

595
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: I try write my jokes about word for word, which

596
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: really yeah, which is quite I think, quite different to

597
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: most comedians nowadays. I feel like a lot of people

598
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: I know prefer to vibe it and riff it. But

599
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: I'm very much someone who has to pre plan, like

600
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: yourself with acting. That's what I was about acting. I

601
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: think I feel very similar with my standard. I feel

602
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: like everything needs to be pre written and pre planned

603
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: so that I'm more in control of what's going on

604
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: on stage.

605
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Speaker 1: Can I say, when you did the sunrise moth so

606
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: beautifully done and like then you the physicality that you

607
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: did is around it as well, I was like, oh,

608
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Speaker 1: nailed to and I re what I went back and

609
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: rewatched that I repeated.

610
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Speaker 2: I repeated joker that a few times, joke quite a few.

611
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: But it is so as somebody that is like loves

612
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Speaker 1: the morning sunrise, I was like, oh, this is amazing,

613
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: You're like, I love Yeah. Anyway, for people listening a

614
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: taste of that is, can you just quickly say a

615
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: little bit of it?

616
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: Oh, I could do the bed or maybe you could.

617
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 2: You could have if you wanted to, you could insert

618
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: the joke and feel free to do that.

619
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. But in a NUTSHELLOT is like, why.

620
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 2: That's why I hate watching the sunrise. That's that's why

621
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: I hate watching it, which was inspired from a mix

622
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: of two things, one of looking after my flatmate's dog

623
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: and the dog would wake me up in the morning

624
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: and I have to take it outside and I could

625
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: watch the sun rising and I was furious that I

626
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: was awake, and the other was partially inspired from when

627
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: we went meet some friends went to We went to Cambodia,

628
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: and she really wanted to watch the sun rise over

629
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 2: and called what And I just remember being there being

630
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: like so what. So this is like, you know, like

631
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: it's a it's nice to be here at this historic village,

632
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: but who cares about the sunrise?

633
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm definitely gonna wind set. It's so good. You

634
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: are wonderful.

635
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: My friend asked me if I wanted to wake up

636
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: early and go see the sunrise if that was something

637
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: that would interest me, And I said, that sounds like

638
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: something that would interest a moth because it's just so

639
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: early in the morning. You know, there's a reason that

640
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: the only people awake to see the sunriser Instagram influences

641
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: and meth addicts, and there's no compromising with these people,

642
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: you know, you can't be like, oh, sorry, five ams

643
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: a bit early for me, but maybe you could come

644
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: around at noon and we could steer directly into the

645
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: sun there. Then my friend asked me what I thought

646
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: of the sun rise, and I said, oh, it reminded

647
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: me a lot of yesterday's sunset at six pm that

648
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: we missed, so we could be awake to see the

649
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: sun rise. But it's so unfair, you know, because people

650
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: get mad when comedians repeat the same jokes twice. But

651
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: then these same people will go watch the sun rise,

652
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: which is the same every time, and no one's like, no,

653
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: I've seen this one before.

654
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: Can I ask about I love watching you on Taskmaster

655
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: as well?

656
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: Oh thank you?

657
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: Is that so much fun?

658
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: Yes? It's also it's incredibly stressful because is that because

659
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: the are all watching and they're not allowed to laugh,

660
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: so you're not getting any feedback or you're just like

661
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: so you're just in this free, full panic, and you know,

662
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: you'll constantly just be like, as anything is anything good?

663
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: Is anything? Is this good? Am I doing this right?

664
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: You know? But at the same time, I'm very proud

665
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: of how it turned out. Is the mean of the

666
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: things I've done this year is I think I'm most

667
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: pleased and I'm very grateful I got to be part

668
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: of this massive comedy show that's on in so many

669
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: different countries now, and like and a lot of people

670
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: watch the New Zealand version overseas, you know, get like

671
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: Americans messaging me and things like that.

672
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: I think you'd flying America.

673
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: Thank you. Well, if they give me silly little tasks

674
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: to do.

675
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: What about the prep for that? Like how are you

676
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: walking in?

677
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: Kind of like it's completely blind, completely yeah. And so

678
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: so you open the envelope and you're like, oh shit,

679
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: this is I got to do this.

680
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: Now, and you just say it's like jumping out of

681
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: a plane, just like here we.

682
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: Go, yeah here in the first Yeah, I remember, I

683
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: would start trying to predict what maybe the task would

684
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: say in the hopes that would give me, you know,

685
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: because I like to prep everything and I would never

686
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: once successfully predicted what was it the task? And you

687
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: just open it and you're in this yeah again, this free,

688
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: full panic where you're just like I just and you know,

689
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: you get given thirty minutes, an hour, sometimes fifteen, you know,

690
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: the time's vary, but no matter how much time you get,

691
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: basically you have a minute to brainstorm and then you

692
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, and then you have the rest of the

693
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: time to execute your idea, you know, because you're running

694
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: against the clock every single time. And so you know,

695
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: so like I've got a flamingo umbrella and I have

696
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: to make a horror film. What do I do?

697
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: You know?

698
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: I you know, I got what do I know about

699
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: horror films? And I was like, I'll do this, I'll

700
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: do this. I have a vague idea and okay, let's

701
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: go down to the lake and let's put raw meat

702
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: in the flamingo. And you know it's I one on

703
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: one hand, Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a gross.

704
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: It ended up being spaghetti and baked beans. I think

705
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: we didn't have any raw meat on hand, which is

706
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: good because I'm vegan, so I probably should have been

707
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: asking for raw meat. But Yeah. On one hand, it's

708
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: very stressful because you're like, you know, like, oh my god,

709
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: I have to go do this, you know, right this

710
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: basically right direct and act in a comedy sketch just

711
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: on the fly. But on the other hand, when it's

712
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: well received, which I think so, you know, I think

713
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 2: it's I think it's okay to say that some of

714
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: my tasks people seem to put enjoyed or the other

715
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: that it's incredibly rewarding because it's the show where you

716
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: I feel like you're most authentically yourself.

717
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: Well, you've got zero to lean on, really.

718
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, zero to lean on you have, Yeah, there's nothing else.

719
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: It's just you out there just doing the first thought

720
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: that you had that you thought was funny, and and

721
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: for people to respond so kindly to it, it's been

722
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's so nice that knowing that, like I guess,

723
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: being authentically myself people respond to. So that's that's there.

724
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: That's whereas like when I do stand up, I'm able

725
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 2: to plan and prep and sort of build a wall,

726
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: and you know, there's you know, there's I mean, obviously

727
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm it's still me, but there's because I know what

728
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: I'm about to say, and stuff that feels like a

729
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: little bit more distance and maybe a bit more of

730
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: a character.

731
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it, got it, got it, got it. Do

732
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: you ever open that envelope and go blank?

733
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm trying to think, oh yeah, my least yeah,

734
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: my least favorite task was one we had to I

735
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 2: did on the first day. It was my first big

736
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: creative task, I'd say, and I was get married. And

737
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: I just remember I just panicked the whole time, and

738
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I think I have to make a cake.

739
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: But Helen wanted to take to make a cake, and

740
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: that's I could getting fixated on the cake. And I

741
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: wasn't allowed to marry Paul, who's the Who's our assistant.

742
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: He's the only other human And so then I had

743
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: to like I was like assembling a wife out of

744
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: mannequin bits I found in the shed. And it was

745
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: just I was that one. I felt completely out of

746
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: my depth. You know, It's the first big thing I

747
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: had to do, and I felt I was Yeah, And

748
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: I had this terrible, terrible where she was on a

749
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: wheelchair and I pulled her with a rope and she

750
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: was like bumping into the she was bumping into the

751
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: This was my wife did. She was knocking over all

752
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: the pews in the church, and I remember our taskmaster

753
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: Jeremy said, I don't think we were I'd be shocked

754
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: if we see anything shitter than that, ever, which was

755
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 2: a very funny thing to say. And then I did

756
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: another task, and then my final task of that day,

757
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: I came back out and my wife was there again,

758
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: and I was christ, no, why here? And had we

759
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: had to have a divorce a messy breakup? Yeah? It was,

760
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: and so that was like, oh, as soon as I

761
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: saw her again, I was, oh, no, this is definitely

762
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: going to be in the show.

763
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: Amazing. How good though, How good to be able to

764
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: like feel like you're free falling and essentially feeling like

765
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: you're failing. Whether you are or not, that feeling is

766
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: still there and then still come out the other side

767
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: and have survived it. And then it's this like sense

768
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: of like accomplishment.

769
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: Yes, And the perfect thing about well it's for task

770
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: masters specifically, is that either you do the task well,

771
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: which people enjoy watching, or or you you know, fail

772
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: at it, you fail horribly at it, which people love

773
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: even more. And like there were times where I left

774
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: the room being like there was a disaster. I hope

775
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: they show that. Yeah, yeah, I hope they showed me

776
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: be an absolute tool and absolute idiot because that people

777
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: will really like that. Yeah.

778
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeahs like let people laugh at your experience.

779
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. As a comedian, it's yeah, it's

780
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: it laughs a laugh.

781
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good. So if we were to look in

782
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: a crystal ball, like what would the dream be for

783
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: you five years from now, Like you're already doing so

784
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: freaking amazing.

785
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. That's that's very kind. It's it's hard

786
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: to it's on day to day, it's hard to think

787
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: of yourself that way. But when I do think of

788
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: stuff I've achieved, I am very grateful. I feel like

789
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm very lucky. But in five years, the big thing

790
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: that always comes to mind is something like a Netflix special,

791
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, something like an hour long show. Like after

792
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: doing My My Show in twenty twenty one in particular,

793
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: which I only did in New Zealand, I remember I

794
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: loved I really loved doing that and I would love

795
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: to get better. I think it performing hour long shows

796
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: and being able to do something that I felt was

797
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: worth filming and deserve to be preserved for a very,

798
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 2: very long time, you know, like if I was able

799
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: to think of an hour lot, you know, an hour

800
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: of bits like that Sunrise bit, which I which I

801
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: am very proud of the Sunrise bit of how it.

802
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: Came out, and the other one about your mum's telepathic abilities.

803
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: That's that's an example I think of sort of getting

804
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: maybe not being itgy, but like, you know, it's a

805
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: it's a bleak topic of like about a dog being

806
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: put down, and then you're able but then I was

807
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: able to find, you know, you're able to find an

808
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: area that's close to you know, it's about my mum. Yeah, Scottia,

809
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: you know the dog pit dog Scottie. Yeah, God, he

810
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: has no clue that he's a celebrity. But yeah, about

811
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, my mom, about my mum's sitting me an

812
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: odd message about having to put our dog down. And

813
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: so it's very close to a joke about dogs being

814
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: put down, but it's sort of one step removed, and

815
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: so it's in this nice gray area maybe which I think,

816
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: which I think you can drive a lot of comedy.

817
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: It was so fun, thank you, But yeah, I think

818
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: something like a Netflix special is the big dream. And

819
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: also when I was in UNI, one of my heroes

820
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: I guess was Lemon from thirty Year Rocks. I love

821
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: I've been rewatching it lately. I think it's some of

822
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: the greatest writing. I think Tina fey Ish wrote. She

823
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: wrote it, she wrote it and started it, you know,

824
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: and also did this now and I think she's a

825
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 2: she's such a talented comedic writer.

826
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: Would you ever do SNL if that opportunity?

827
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: Knox? Of course, I mean, I mean I think i'd

828
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: only if I was ever. I think the position I'd

829
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: be asked to do would probably guest hoste. Yes, but

830
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: I'd love to do that. I don't think. I don't

831
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: know how great i'd be an acting in skitches.

832
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: Well, I interviewed one of the writers and now and

833
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: which one? Her name is Sudi Green, of course, and

834
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 1: she and basically it's so interesting because the guest hosts

835
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: bring a lot of their own ideas. Yes, you've got

836
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: a whole team of writers that are like, here's a

837
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: stack of ideas, do you want to do this, this,

838
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: this and this and this and and Also the other

839
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: thing is like the guest hosts will come and be like,

840
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: actually I can do this funny voice. Pedro Pascal famously

841
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: went on and did this fantastic all Californian girl a

842
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: voice like Bally girl voice, and it became this huge,

843
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: humongous internet sensation. And so it's interesting how much the

844
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: guest host actually brings to the table, which is really cool.

845
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: I get to a pretty okay real Leary impression, and

846
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: I wonder.

847
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I feel like that would land, that would land.

848
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: I love, I love.

849
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: I've spoken to a few actors that have auditioned for

850
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: S and L as well. You have to deliver this

851
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: full package, like different bits, different characters.

852
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: Yes, when you audition, it's it's so intense released Like

853
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 2: you can watch clips of Will fearal audition.

854
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I have said that is an amazing video.

855
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: Okay, so, but but something like being a hid writer

856
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: on a sitcom, I think it was.

857
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: Think'd be a fantastic you'd have to be on the

858
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: sitcom too.

859
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: I feel oh thank you. Yes, I think I've always

860
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: I've thought about that. I think if I acting is

861
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: something that often stresses me out.

862
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: Sitcom. I'm trained in sitcom. I've just been trained in

863
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: full blown sitcom training in LA and it is such

864
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: a specific tech. We actually just really learn about comedic

865
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: writing for sitcoms specifically, it's like two point five gags

866
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: per page, rules of three an a thing, gulls. It's

867
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: like monologs are like yeah, yeah, well that's like a

868
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: lot of comedians that are acting comedians go to this

869
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: one person in LA and you learn multiicam sitcom, you

870
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: learn single cam comedy, and it's like it's a formula.

871
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: It's not. It is not like, oh, I think I've

872
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: got funny, but it's like actually honoring the writings.

873
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: There's I mean, there's a way to structure a script.

874
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: You know, this has to happen by the end of

875
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: the first Yes, yes, but it's something i'd I'd love

876
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: to do.

877
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: Oh, I send you all the deeds, my friend. It's

878
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: so it's so fun to it's it is so empowering

879
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: to go, oh this makes this is why like Ross

880
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: got so many laughs on Friends, or like the writing

881
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: is usually like the Matt you would know, oh this

882
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: is the magic. But sitcoms is one of my passions

883
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: to and I'll often when I'm in LA, I'll sit

884
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: in the audience and like, go, sitcom tapings so much

885
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: fun because they've got they just swing around all these

886
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: different sets and it's very quick.

887
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: And how do they do they do? They are they

888
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 2: sits on a big revolving stage and they just spin around.

889
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's evolving stage. But the one that I went to,

890
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: which was on Warner brother so I think it was

891
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: three stages next to each other.

892
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: What was the show?

893
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: It was called Nightcourt, the one that I went.

894
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: There's an episode of thirty about that. Really they do

895
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: a reboot of nightca today.

896
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: How cool? Yeah, And so you get to see basically

897
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: it's it looks like the audience is in the same spot,

898
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: so the audience doesn't move, so you go from one

899
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: of the but the cameras swing loads like they're all

900
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: on massive swing dollies and stuff like that.

901
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: So cool.

902
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could nerd out. Let's right. Honestly, there's

903
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: nothing here in Australia. That's why I went and trained

904
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: over there. There's not much here is a sitcom.

905
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: That's what I've I feel very fortunate to have started

906
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: in New Zealand because I feel like for New Zealand comedians,

907
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: we've been very lucky that the number of TV opportunities

908
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: for us is a lot more proportional to the amount

909
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 2: of or maybe maybe it's over proportional to the amount

910
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: of comedians there are, whereas in an Australia it seems

911
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: like it's a lot harder for comedians to be given

912
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: that break and make it onto TV, and same with actors. Yes, yeah,

913
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: it seems it seems so difficult that I don't know

914
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: what I mean, I don't know what the path is

915
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: factors in New Zealand little in Australia. Get on Home

916
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: and Away or neighbors. Yeah, that's about it, and then

917
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: I hope you stay there for the next twenty years,

918
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: or do.

919
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: A Margo Robbie or Chris Hemming and jump the pond

920
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: with like your home and Away real but you know

921
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: what it is what gets you in the door over there,

922
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Like that's why I'm excited to hear like, yes, a

923
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: Netflix special. Think you should totally write a book to

924
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: Oh thank you, thank you? That on the Manifestation list.

925
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just just looking at the title of yours.

926
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: I just wondering if that's your copy.

927
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: By the way, I'll call one bravely succeeding an arrogant

928
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: counters that I.

929
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: Love it, do it, my friend, So my thank you.

930
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: Some I've loved chatting with you. But my last question is,

931
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: like for people that are listening to this, if someone's

932
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: listening to this and they're like, I'd love to I'd

933
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: love to do it, raising you know what I mean,

934
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: like a young a young give up?

935
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: Don't you dare try copy what I do? There's only

936
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: enough work for me.

937
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: But I mean, is it is it like to go

938
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: to like an open mic and like what would your advice?

939
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: Or is it to like, I think people have dreams

940
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: like this, and like, let's be real, like a lot

941
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: of people don't have the courage to be like like

942
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of like we were saying, like

943
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: there's a lot of failure at the start, and there's

944
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: a lot of rejection, and there's a lot of you know,

945
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: like you you've got an amazing team that you get

946
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: to work with, empic manager and all that kind of thing,

947
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: but it does certainly love you, but it does take

948
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: a while to get to that stage, right. So for

949
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: someone listening that might be green or just starting out, like,

950
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: do you have any pearls of wisdom other than give up?

951
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: I don't give up. It's always an option. It's that

952
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: one of them. I guess the fear never goes away,

953
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: at least not for me. Like you're and the thing is,

954
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: the longer you delay it, you're just you're just robbing

955
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: yourself in the future. Like I was afraid to start

956
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: doing center for so long, and I really wish I

957
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: had started doing it sooner, because I just think it

958
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: can be a lot funnier now and I would have

959
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: achieved more, you know, just all my career goals and

960
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: now just have been hit later, because you know, if

961
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: only I had started sooner. And the other thing about

962
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: like the dream, I'm so envious of people who are

963
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: just starting out at the moment. The idea of being

964
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: able to fail anonymously is so I'm so jealous of

965
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: right now, like we're like I I have a concern

966
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: and maybe this is arrogant or paranoia, but of going

967
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: to an open mic and trying a new joke and

968
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: at bombing and people in the crowd knowing who I

969
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: am and being like, oh, that guy's not very funny.

970
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: We recognize him. And that's that's something that plays on

971
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: my mind. But the thought of being an open mic comedian,

972
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 2: someone who's just starting out the gift of being able

973
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: to fail with no repercussions. You know, you can go

974
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: do an open mic, no one cares who you are.

975
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 2: You can just you know, maybe you'll be good, maybe

976
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: you'll be bad. What a dream.

977
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: You know.

978
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: You get to take all these risks, all these creative risks,

979
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 2: find your voice, and no one's judging you for there

980
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: the steaks aren't there? Yeah, no, And and I mean

981
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's advice, but I just think

982
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: you're in such a lucky position and you should fully

983
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: exploit that. You know, go do as many open mics

984
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 2: as you can. You know the failure will always be there.

985
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: But as soon as you get on stage and start

986
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: talking at Ebbs Away that the adrenaline kicks and you know,

987
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: something overpowers your brain and you're able to do it.

988
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: But the gift of being able to fail anonymously, I

989
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: wish I had that.

990
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: Ah, this is great advice.

991
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: Oh not, thank you, I think it. Yeah, I just

992
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: think they're in such an envious position. I'm trying to

993
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: think of what other advice i'd give. Record all your

994
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: sets and listen back. That's always something.

995
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: Do you watch your stuff back?

996
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: I don't watch it, which is maybe explains any weird

997
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: physical things I do. But I always I record every

998
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: set I've ever done, and so I have recordings from

999
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: nearly every time I've ever been on stage, and when

1000
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: I do new material. Now it's only when I do

1001
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: new material, I'll listen back to it and judge how

1002
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: it went.

1003
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: And because you'll hear with the moments where it lands.

1004
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, And then I think, how do I rewrite

1005
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: that line? Or do I cut that line, or how

1006
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: do I fix you know? And so I try to

1007
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: be as forensic as I can about it. And I

1008
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: would never be able to remember, you know on my own,

1009
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: you know. Help and and also and also I want

1010
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: to know, like how hard did the audience laugh? Maybe

1011
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: the audience did laugh, but they didn't laugh enough, and

1012
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: so I need to cut the line. And anyway, yeah, record.

1013
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: I think recording all your sets and listening back is

1014
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: the only real way to progress. You know, you have

1015
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: to be and you have to be tough on yourself.

1016
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: I think you're a legend.

1017
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's that's that's that's too that's too much.

1018
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: Real sweet soul. And I look forward to one day

1019
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: seeing on Netflix special Let's put it out there now.

1020
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: Thank you very I look forward to reading your book,

1021
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 2: which is available in all good books.

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00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: Oh you're wonderful. Thank you so much. Right, you are

1023
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: a wonderful human being.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me long. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation. Instagram.

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