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Speaker 1: I know some Territorians have been questioning for a little while.

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Speaker 2: Now, do the FEDS need to step.

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Speaker 1: In and help sort the issues that the Northern Territory's

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Mister Dutton says that the Australian Federal Police should be

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Speaker 1: law and order crisis. He held a press conference yesterday

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Speaker 1: with Senator just Enter Price and said that the issues

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs were beyond the capacity of the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory government and required federal resources. Now joining me in

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Speaker 1: the studio is the Northern Territory Opposition leader Lea Fanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Lea.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. In to your listeners, Leah, do the

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Speaker 3: FEDS need to step in?

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 4: I don't want to see the FED stepping in, but

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Speaker 4: they can certainly cough up. We had a Prime minister

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Speaker 4: save face admitted crisis. He promised two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: million dollars to that community and not a single cent

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Speaker 4: Springs for months and months and months, and Federal Labor

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Speaker 4: has done nothing. So we don't want them coming in

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Speaker 1: So you do think that the Federal police need to

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Speaker 1: step in and assist the Northern Territory Police at this point.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: It's something we've been calling for for months now, Katie,

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Speaker 4: amid the fact that the Tasha Philes scrapped stronger futures

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Speaker 4: We recognize our territory police are incredibly under resourced and

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Speaker 4: so we felt it was appropriate then for the Australian

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Speaker 4: backfill for Territory police and ensure that a community like

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Speaker 1: We did it during COVID, right there was a situation

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Speaker 2: So I mean, is that what is needed right now?

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Speaker 1: And do you think that it would diminish in any

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Speaker 3: No way.

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Speaker 4: I think our Territory police are doing the most incredible

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Speaker 4: we know police are in a state of crisis, and

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Speaker 4: certainly the CLP has tried six times in Parliament to

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Speaker 3: I think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: And in a town like Alice Springs, sending an Australian

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Speaker 1: My understanding is that it is actually the Police Commissioner

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Speaker 4: Well, I think Natasha Files as the Chief Minister, needs

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, though some are saying that Peter

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Speaker 4: I think what the Federal Opposition leader is highlighting is

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Speaker 1: Any update from the colp's parliamentary wing at this point

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Speaker 4: Yeah, our position is the same, Katie. We want more

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Speaker 3: What we have been pushing for.

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Speaker 4: We want to see significant consultation into the territory with

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Speaker 4: And we don't feel like it's a role for us

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Speaker 4: We know they'll make up their own mind and we

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, look on the voice.

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Speaker 1: I think that we're going to have so much more

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Speaker 2: The Chief Minister had told us on the show yesterday.

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Speaker 1: That we need needs based funding from the feeds. Do

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Speaker 4: Look, money from the federal government is always great, but

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Speaker 4: we can't sit around and wait for the Abanese government

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Speaker 4: Natasha Files has all of the resources of government, all

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Speaker 4: Just a couple of weeks ago, off the back of course,

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Speaker 4: It absolutely did not go far enough, and even the

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Speaker 2: On that we also saw last night on Channel nine.

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Speaker 2: So you've seen those videos.

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Speaker 4: And I've spoken to a constituent whose vehicle was stolen

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Speaker 4: there was a time when CCTV was so effective everyone

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Speaker 3: Well, now the crims are doing their own.

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Speaker 4: CCTV, broadcasting it live to the universe, and nothing's happening

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Speaker 1: Look, it's hard to argue with you, because you know,

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Speaker 2: Is that the path we should be going.

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Speaker 4: Down, without question, It's something we've certainly talked about as

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Speaker 3: Shows that there is no remorse, shows that there.

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Speaker 4: Is no care for the community safety and it needs

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Speaker 3: And destruction to our community.

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Speaker 2: Leah, all of.

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Speaker 1: These serious issues continued to rage on. There is no

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Speaker 1: got confidence in the Police Commissioner. The Police Commissioner's legal

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Speaker 1: legal representatives of the Commissioner, to be cheered by an

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Speaker 2: It is the.

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Speaker 1: Desire of the Commissioner that this mediation take place as

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Speaker 1: a matter of urgency, Leah, do you think that that

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Speaker 3: This needs to be urgently resolved.

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Speaker 4: This mess Natasha Files has created is causing mass destabilization

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Speaker 4: across our police force. You know, she can't say what

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Speaker 4: fighting every day, but they can't do this alone. They

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Speaker 2: I guess this is where the discussion has now turned to.

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Speaker 1: And obviously Peter Dutton out yesterday saying this, you know

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Speaker 2: Now, I know he's talking.

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Speaker 1: About obviously the federal police, but this is where the

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Speaker 4: And they should, because that is exactly the situation that's happening.

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Speaker 4: We are just completely devoid of leadership at the top,

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Speaker 4: and the government isn't listening. I mean, we had five

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Speaker 4: weeks ago. There's another community crime rally happening this Saturday.

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Speaker 4: I'll be there, Katie, listening to people. Even last night

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Speaker 4: trouble with crime, they said, can you come and speak

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Speaker 4: just hearing the exasperation and heartbreak in their stories and

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Speaker 4: labour need to be out there doing the same thing.

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Speaker 4: They are so removed from the community at the moment.

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Speaker 3: They are just deaf to the people's concerns.

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Speaker 4: They are showing no indications at all that they're actually

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Speaker 1: We'll go to from here because the way that a

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Speaker 2: You know, you're saying all.

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Speaker 1: The right things that people sort of want to hear

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Speaker 1: when it comes to crime, but you're not the leader.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're the opposition leader. The government are obviously floundering,

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Speaker 1: I think, to put it mildly, with how they deal

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Speaker 1: we don't want to hear an opposing voice. We actually

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Speaker 4: Is exasperated as the community, Katie. I mean, we have

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Speaker 4: a wide range of solutions. We even just a couple

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Speaker 4: so many times to work in a bipartisan way. Now,

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Speaker 4: Two years ago we tried to strengthen BOW laws. Natasha

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Speaker 3: They didn't strengthen them enough.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've tried six times to have an inquiry

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Speaker 3: This government does not want to work with ours for the.

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Speaker 4: Betterment of our community or to deal with community safety,

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Speaker 3: We share in that feeling and sentiment with you, Lea.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, we spoke to the Chief

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Speaker 1: asked about whether there has been extensive damage out there.

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Speaker 1: That is absolutely not the case. The damage that is

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Speaker 1: This is something that the opposition has been pushing. Have

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Speaker 4: Look, we haven't, but we are hearing a lot of information.

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Speaker 4: I mean I just literally was grabbing a sandwich at

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Speaker 4: there and describing total destruction of facilities. I think time

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Speaker 4: it's not enough for Natasha Files to say no, no,

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Speaker 4: it's only wear and tear. She's got to put up

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Speaker 4: the evidence that she has because for so many quarters

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Speaker 4: of our community to be talking about the damage in

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Speaker 4: this fire, Katie, and this is a billowing fire of

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Speaker 4: epic proportions. So the government needs to put up and

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Speaker 4: explain how much they're spending on these so called general

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Speaker 4: broken windows, you know, you name it.

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Speaker 1: Look, I've heard the same I've certainly had people message

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Speaker 1: us here at the station and say exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But I guess without any evidence, there'll be some people

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Speaker 2: Leah, you know, are you just sort of sure? Yep?

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Speaker 2: Gossip young grand basically, And that's.

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Speaker 4: Fair, and we wouldn't normally operate on these types of things.

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Speaker 4: But when you hear it several times a day, every

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Speaker 4: I think it just reinforces how scared people are of

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Speaker 4: whatever it might be. They're probably afraid that if they

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Speaker 1: This is not a situation from you and from the

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Speaker 3: I'm not making this up.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, I went to buy a sandwich the

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Speaker 4: we're telling me.

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Speaker 3: All sorts of stories.

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Speaker 4: So you know where hearing it loud and clear from

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Speaker 4: people on the ground. It's just our ability to have

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Speaker 4: and we respect people's fear because this is a very

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Speaker 2: Well look, I said it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: If there is anybody out there that wants to anonymously

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Speaker 1: send us something, I'd be more than happy to have

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Speaker 1: that emailed through three sixty at Mix one O four

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Speaker 1: nine dot com dot au Leafanocchio opposition leader.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful to chat to you all. Take care,