1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: One location that has indeed been grappling with some pretty 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: terrible crime for quite some time is Alice Springs. And 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Alice Springs was again making headlines for the wrong reasons 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: yesterday and today, this time in the Australian newspaper, and 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: the article was headlined tiny menaces, helpless police and no solution, 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: And it started by saying that it's eight pm in 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: Alice Springs and a group of children are about to 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: steal a car and lead police on a dangerous chase. 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: After being caught, they're immediately returned to a responsible adult, 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: only to continue to re offend. The mayor of Alice Springs, 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Matt Patterson, joins me on theline. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: Good morning, Matt, good morning, thanks again for having me. 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: No worries at all, Matt. How are things going in 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Alice Springs at the moment. 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: Well, it's peaks and troughs. We're in a peak again 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: at the moment, which is probably not surprising. Better look, 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: it's obviously the same old things that are happening stolen cars, 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: broken houses, far too often and by far too many people. 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: The Australian has again run a story yesterday outlining some 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: of those issues which continue obviously to Ray John, as 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: you've said, the peaks and troughs today they delve more 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: deeply into the story of one of the young kids involved. 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: Have you read much of that coverage and what do 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: you make of it? 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: I mean, firstly, your heartbreaks, doesn't it, because it's a 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: ten year old child, right, so, still a human being 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: in the middle of our country that's getting sailed by 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: the system. To be quite fraying, the systems failing these kids. 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not a you know, I don't 30 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: believe in locking away nine and ten year olds down 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: the road, but there's got to be something we can 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: do for these kids. It's not a rinse and repeat 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: cycle of picking them up and taking them to this 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: so called responsible adult. Well, where as a responsible adult 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: in the first place, if kids are out on the 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: straight at two o'clock in the morning and. 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: They're the questions that are starting to be asked more 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: often at this point in time. I mean, even with 39 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: the situation that we saw here on Monday night with 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: an eleven year old involved in a person being ambushed 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: after they put a bike in the middle of the 42 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: road to entice him to get out of the car 43 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: and move it then steal his vehicle. I mean they're 44 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: frightening situations that are unfolding. But not only are those 45 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: victims obviously at risk, but the kids themselves are at risk. 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean they're behind the wheel of cars for God's sake. 47 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: Yep, And you know you do, one of that eleven 48 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: year old will have the link attack, so I won't 49 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: be able to be charged and be under the agent 50 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: freminal responsibility if they're not put through the system. It 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: is just we're just recycling the same odd thing every 52 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: other every other day. And you know you're right there 53 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 2: behind the wheel. It's dangerous. They're danger to themselves, to 54 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: the community, to everyone else. It's very scary. And we 55 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: keep saying these things down in our Springs and Darwin's 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: patching up quickly. What is going to have to happen 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: for those drastic changes to take place, because we don't 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: need a car full of kids in a stolen car 59 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: to flip it and kill themselves before we say, well, 60 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: we told you so. We just need the matter addressed. 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: It has been over a year since the Prime Minister 62 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: was in our springs. Two hundred was either two hundred 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: million dollars right, and you and I've spoken about this before, 64 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: but are things any better, Like is any of that 65 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: money sort of flowing in and are those programs underway? 66 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: Are they making any difference? 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: So there's two lots of money. There was the two 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: fifty million, and then there was forty eight pointy eight. 69 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: Now the two fifty lots of people are critical of 70 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: that not being rolled out. I don't have a problem 71 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: with it being consulted on properly so we don't get 72 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: white elephants in remote communities. I'm okay with the back 73 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: end work being done the forty eight point eight million 74 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: that involves extra police, know, the lighting and CCTV which 75 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: is're sitting with council. So those things are underway and 76 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: that was the immediate impact and some extension. 77 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: Of youth services. 78 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: So you know, I'll say again that we need to 79 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: have a look at the youth services as a whole 80 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: and if people getting paid for a service that aren't 81 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 2: getting delivered, well they shouldn't be continually to be funded. 82 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: I mean compared to infrastructure, Okatie. The comparison I give 83 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: is if you're paid to build a full bedroom, two 84 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: bathroom house and you deliver a two bedroom one bathroom house, 85 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: you're not going to get paid. So why if you're 86 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: in a social service, if you're a social service provider, 87 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: you're getting paid to deliver service. If you're delivering a 88 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: half botched job, why are you still collecting the paycheck 89 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: from the government. And it's because it's easy from the 90 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: government to just keep paying and not having to worry 91 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: about it. 92 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: Look, I think it's a very good point that you make, 93 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: and it's one that you've made before. And you know, 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: for some reason, some of these comments, some of these calls, 95 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: these different you know, different things that people like yourself 96 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: are saying, they seem to be falling on deaf ears. 97 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I do want to point out again, 98 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: and I've said it this morning, even in relation to 99 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: the incident that it occurred up here in the top end, 100 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: the police seemed to be going above and beyond right. 101 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: They seem to be absolutely working their butts off to 102 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: try and deal with these different situations. But somewhere we're 103 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: all being let down. 104 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I mean I've said it before and 105 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: I'll say it again. We need a safe place for 106 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: kids to go and that eliminates the path of having 107 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: to look for a responsible adult in the first instance, 108 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: it can keep place placing and that can be you know, 109 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: where territory families can go. And if they can't find 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: a safe place, well then the kids have somewhere safe 111 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: to sleep and they get a warm bed and a meal. 112 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: And I think that that, you know, let's try it. 113 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: It can't be any worse than what's happening right now. 114 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 2: Let's have a go. And then we've got to do 115 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: some some work about getting kids into work in some pathways. 116 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: And I don't think that has to be a long 117 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: generational process either. There's enough jobs in the territory for people, 118 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: and there's certainly enough kids here as well. 119 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: Matt. I'm told this morning that this new justice, new 120 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: youth justice facility. I don't know whether it's actually new, 121 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: whether it's just a refurb of the old one, but 122 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: it's opening in Alice Springs today. What are you hearing. 123 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: I've just got a couple of text messages about it opening. 124 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it's been going on for a very long time. 125 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: So yeah, well it's probably five years too late, but 126 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 2: I don't think I think there's only a couple more bedrooms, 127 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: but yeah, we'll wait and see. I don't know much 128 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 2: much more than a couple of texts I've received. 129 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Hey, the government announced last week, because they did make 130 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: quite a big announcement, or they had certainly said it 131 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: was going to be a big announcement around around youth 132 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: crime and around youth justice. One of the things that 133 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: they announced was that they're going to conduc a youth 134 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: justice review is going to make a difference. From your perspective, it. 135 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: May well do. But again, I don't think people in 136 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: our springs necessarily disagree with the long term, medium term 137 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: plans the government have in place, right, it's just that immediate, 138 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: short term stuff that people are frustrated with, because if 139 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: we don't get that right, then there's no point getting 140 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: the long term stuff right because this place will be 141 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: left behind. So I think the long term stuff is fine, 142 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: and another review will tell us what another review will 143 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: tell us. But where we are at a community, is 144 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: that immediate, immediate and short term sort of scenarios we 145 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: need fixed? 146 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is fair enough. I mean I spoke to 147 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: to Sushira yesterday the Sea of Kosher, and she'd said 148 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: to me that she's got long term friends in Alice 149 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: Springs that you know, are that are going to be 150 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: leaving because they're so fed up and upset with the 151 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, the way that things are happening in termsolve 152 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: that crime and some of the dangerous situations that obviously 153 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: happened there. I mean, is that like, is that something 154 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: that you are concerned is going to happen? 155 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: Well, not going to. 156 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: Happen, It is happening. Yeah, I mean, you've been here before. 157 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: You know the community spirit and community feel that our 158 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: Springs has about it, and I think that's why a 159 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: lot of people love it. They can go somewhere and 160 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: you're going to bump into someone, you know, like it's 161 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: a big country town sort of vibe, and it is 162 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: built on the back of the community spirit. But all 163 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: the long term residents are going and we will lose 164 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: that community feel of what our Springs is and then 165 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: it becomes a fly and fly out sort of harbor. 166 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: And you know, that's all so a worry going forward 167 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: as well. So it's certainly that's already happening, Katie. We 168 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: are saying long term residents leave, and people used to 169 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: come here to work and stay for forty years. You 170 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: hear those stories all the time, whereas now people coming 171 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: for three or four years and leaving in the long 172 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: term residence. 173 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: I just cannot understand why there's not more urgency in 174 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: terms of in terms of really trying to sort things out. 175 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: And I get, you know, I get what the government 176 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: says that there's not sort of an easy approach to 177 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: these issues. But right across the board, you know, Queensland's 178 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: going through what they're calling a youth crime crisis. At 179 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: the moment, people have had a gutful you know, they 180 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: do not want this kind of behavior to continue on 181 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: whether it's judes or adults, and we really have to 182 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: get on top of it. 183 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. 184 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: Because the East Coast and the federal government obviously control 185 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: the dime and they control you know, people with inside 186 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: the territory. But a lot of people are just leading 187 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: to be popular and they're not making any tough decisions 188 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: that actually need to be made. They leading to be popular, 189 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: not leading to be respective. And they're two different things. 190 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: And if you can't make tough decisions, quite frankly, need 191 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: to get out of the way because you're leaving a 192 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: town behind. And so, you know, if you want to 193 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: be a politician on big money in Darwen and Canberra. 194 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 3: That's good. Good on you. 195 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: It's a tough life, but go there for the right 196 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: reasons and be willing to make the tough decisions because 197 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: at the moment there's no tough decisions happening in other springs. 198 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: And this is a scenario that we're. 199 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: Living in, right Matt, is I mean, is the government 200 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: just tinkering around the edges here. 201 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: I think we've had a few reshuffles and I think, 202 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: you know, I think people are willing to have a go, 203 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: but it just doesn't go far enough. It just never 204 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: goes far enough. And you know, the Minister's making changes, 205 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: but I don't know if they're making changes quick enough 206 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: or deep enough to change the problem. 207 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: But I do want to end on, you know, being 208 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: a bit more positive. Anything much else going on in 209 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: Alice at the moment. Have you got a few things 210 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: coming up? 211 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: Yes, But you know the challenge is we want to 212 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: do all these exciting things, and the first thing you 213 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: get when you consult is I'll just fix crime. You know, 214 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: where accounts we can control what we can control. So 215 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: it is it's awfully deflating, but look, we've got twenty 216 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: million dollars coming from the federal government for the CBD regeneration, 217 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: and so that's an exciting project that could change the 218 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: face of our Springs and the Todd Mall. Jump on 219 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: our Facebook page for our town council website and have 220 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: a look at those plans because they're pretty exciting and 221 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 2: we're consulting for a very long time, just over a 222 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: month to make sure that we get it right, because 223 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: they've seen some projects in our Springs rush through consultation 224 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: and they're still not being delivered. 225 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: So that's probably. 226 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: The big ticket item that's pretty exciting for the community 227 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: and business in our Springs at the moment. 228 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: Well, Matt, I always appreciate your time, mate. I know 229 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: like it's been a really tough run for you guys, 230 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: there's no other way to put it. And I don't 231 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: think you know. I know that we certainly grapple with 232 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: our own issues up here in the top end, but gee, 233 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: what you guys have had to deal with it's unbelievable, 234 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: I think, and to a lot of people up here, 235 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: I think that it truly would be unbelievable. Some of 236 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: the scenes that we've seen out of Ella Springs. 237 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely unbelievable and The problem we face is that 238 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: have become so normalized, and so people who live here 239 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: it is normal. And that's the problem. That people are 240 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: raising their kids in what's not normal, and we look 241 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: at it and you go away and you. 242 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: Go God, it's a wake up cool that you don't 243 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: have to raise your kids in their spaces, and it 244 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: becomes a hard place to live sometimes, but you know, 245 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: I hope it changes because it's an amazing place. Yeah, 246 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: and we'll see how we go. 247 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: Matt, thank you so much for having a chat with 248 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: us this morning. We'll talk to you again soon. 249 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: Good Thanks Katie, thank you. 250 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: Thanks Mate.