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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, our children are on to here for such a

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Speaker 2: short time, and I can spend my time collecting rocks,

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Speaker 2: or I can find little flex of time and gold

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Speaker 2: in our relationship.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum

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Speaker 3: Hello, this is doctor Justin Coulson, the founder of Happy

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Speaker 3: Families dot com dot AU.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but I cannot believe.

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Speaker 3: How fast term one is disappearing. We're at the end

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Speaker 3: of another week and we've only got one more week

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Speaker 3: in Queensland at least until school holidays arrive two weeks

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Speaker 3: for a whole lot of other states. The days are

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Speaker 3: flying by. Hopefully you've got some exciting school holiday plans,

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Speaker 3: Kylie and I. Well, we might actually be homelest Kylie.

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Speaker 3: We still haven't found a place to live.

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Speaker 4: It's getting kinde of tense, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a laughing matter, honey.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually I don't know what else to do except laugh.

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Speaker 3: So basically, if you've missed it somehow, because you're securely accommodated,

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Speaker 3: we're selling our house and moving to the coast, rentals

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Speaker 3: are at minus zero point three percent, like you just

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Speaker 3: can't get a rental anywhere, And we've been looking for

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Speaker 3: first day of the school holidays because well, obviously they

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Speaker 3: experiences and finding life increasing in complexity.

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Speaker 4: Did you say adventures? That's exactly right, speaking of adventures.

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Speaker 3: Today, for every Friday podcast episode, we have this conversation

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Speaker 3: called I'll Do Better Tomorrow. It's about re evaluating our parenting,

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Speaker 3: having a look at what we've been doing over the

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Speaker 4: What have we done right, what have we done wrong?

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Speaker 4: How can we do it better?

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Speaker 3: What should we do tomorrow to make our family thrive,

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Speaker 3: flurry and functions. So well, now, Kylie, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: get you to go first because i want to ask

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Speaker 3: you a question and I'm hoping that you can help

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Speaker 3: me out here, as I've observed you over the last

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Speaker 3: week or so, and obviously I'm in a different location

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Speaker 3: to you. I'm still at our house keeping it in

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Speaker 3: order for the open houses and to make sure that

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Speaker 3: the kids. What you've done this week seems different to

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Speaker 3: what you normally do with the kids. I've had more

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Speaker 3: their voices, and when we facetimed, I've seen more smiles

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Speaker 3: on their faces and in their eyes than I've seen

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Speaker 3: for a long time. Even though there's the uncertainty and

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Speaker 3: the lack of closure around what we're doing, our kids

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Speaker 4: And I'm just wondering why that is.

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Speaker 3: And whether that might form a part of your I'd

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Speaker 2: It's funny you should ask, because it was actually your

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Speaker 2: having around our nineteen year old daughter, who is kind

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Speaker 3: I got that from doctor Lisa Demore in her book.

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Speaker 2: You're right, I've felt it. The kids are more settled,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great insight as well to take my

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Speaker 4: They are and what they're about.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you shared that right after break

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Speaker 3: My older better tomorrow a bit of a tough one

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Speaker 3: share with you what's working for me as I try

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Speaker 2: It's the Happy Families Podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 2: poor parent who just wants answers. Now, I'm wondering, justin

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Speaker 4: So I'll do better tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: Is about what we've done right or what we've done

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Speaker 3: I've reflected on how much I miss being with the family,

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Speaker 3: was thinking about that podcast conversation that we've just had,

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Speaker 3: I think it was on Tuesday, about how being a

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Speaker 3: I wrote about in my very first book, What Your

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Speaker 3: Child Needs from You, And I thought, for my I'll

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to read this. See is that Okay?

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Speaker 3: This is one of my favorite stories of all time,

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Speaker 3: and it's about goldflex It says in the mid eighteen

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Speaker 2: But yeah, as you were sharing it this time, just

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Speaker 2: made me realize that our children are only here for

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for saying that. I love the

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Speaker 3: way you said that it's beautiful. I think that family

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Speaker 3: we will find thousands upon thousands of flex of gold

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Speaker 4: So that's my I'll do better tomorrow for today.

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Speaker 2: What's coming up on the podcast next week?

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Speaker 3: Well, next week we're going to talk about what to

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Speaker 2: I'm very interested in this conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll dive into that next week. Thanks so much

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Speaker 3: for joining us this week on the Happy Families Podcast.

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Speaker 3: We hope that it makes your family happier. We appreciate

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