Speaker 1: Cheek a Keyboard is a powerhouse business woman, co founder
Speaker 1: of the Big Group alongside husband Bruce's mother to now
Speaker 1: adult children, author and media personality. But when you sit
Speaker 1: down to chat with Chica, you feel as though you've
Speaker 1: known her for years. She is the real deal, authentic,
Speaker 1: fearless and utterly divine. I didn't want our meeting to end.
Speaker 1: We talk turning fifty, empty, nesting, and the liberation of
Speaker 1: learning to say no, enjoy. Woman's got it all together.
Speaker 2: Menopause, It's coming for you no matter what.
Speaker 1: Let's build a village of support.
Speaker 2: Why is it so damn hot in here?
Speaker 1: Menopause is so hot right now?
Speaker 2: I think I'm only in menopause.
Speaker 1: Women just want to feel hurt rage against the menopause
Speaker 1: as I'm so excited. I have the beautiful cheek at Keyboard.
Speaker 1: Who you might know from. I think you did three
Speaker 1: seasons of Housewife. I did Melbourne. But far more than that,
Speaker 1: you are an entrepreneur. You're described on your website Chica
Speaker 1: dot com, warm, kind, classy. I have been a fan
Speaker 1: of yours for so so long. Our paths crossed at
Speaker 1: lunch last year for Derby Day, and I had seen
Speaker 1: you at a few other events, and I thought, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm actually going to introduce myself this time
Speaker 1: because I think you're so amazing Checker. So I did
Speaker 1: go up to you, and I was so I don't
Speaker 1: know what I was expecting, but I felt like i'd
Speaker 1: known you for ever.
Speaker 3: I love that. That's exactly what I like people to
Speaker 3: feel like. I think that's a nice thing.
Speaker 1: Well you are. You are warm, and you are kind.
Speaker 2: And you are cute.
Speaker 1: Gosh, you're classy. Know you were on Housewives. I thought
Speaker 1: that you just you held yourself so beautifully and elegantly
Speaker 1: and didn't get involved in the nasty. No.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because I just that's who I am.
Speaker 3: I'm not that person to get into drama and to
Speaker 3: cause problems. And I found it really interesting watching that
Speaker 3: show and being a part of that show and seeing
Speaker 3: how they sort of made that all work and happen
Speaker 3: and obviously set off the fireworks, but I was like, Nope,
Speaker 3: that's not who I am. And also too, I had
Speaker 3: a business to protect. I was certainly not going to
Speaker 3: go out looking like I was the gossiping person when
Speaker 3: in fact, really that's not who I am. And I
Speaker 3: wanted to protect and make sure that no one thought
Speaker 3: that that's what I was doing when we're in someone's
Speaker 3: private space.
Speaker 1: So you're a class act. Thank you, of course, you
Speaker 1: and Bruce, the beautiful Bruce, your husband of thirty two.
Speaker 2: Thirty two, been together thirty four.
Speaker 1: Wow, you run the Big Group, which is an international
Speaker 1: hospitality group. Yeah, would that be fair?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's been a journey and it's funny. We both
Speaker 3: started that business to save up some money to go
Speaker 3: backpacking through Europe, and then we sort of picked up
Speaker 3: more and more work and then sort of got more
Speaker 3: and more stuff, and then suddenly it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that trip's not going to happen the way we thought
Speaker 3: it was. We went on a six week trip, but
Speaker 3: we just got so much that we just sort of
Speaker 3: thought we better come back and keep going.
Speaker 1: But you're a great team. Everything you touch terms to gold.
Speaker 1: Everything is beautiful. No no, no, But the way you dressed today,
Speaker 1: you'd never step.
Speaker 2: You're so kind.
Speaker 3: I love things like that though, Like I love fashion,
Speaker 3: I love you know, decorating homes, I love beautiful food,
Speaker 3: Like all those things are very much who I am
Speaker 3: and have been who I've been all my life. Like
Speaker 3: my I had two amazing grandmothers. One was a real
Speaker 3: homemaker and the other one was actually an actress on
Speaker 3: the stage during World War one and two. And I
Speaker 3: feel like I've got both of them sitting on my
Speaker 3: shoulders because I've got a bit of both of them.
Speaker 3: And my mum's mum taught me how to fold cheets,
Speaker 3: how to do flower arrangements, make the perfect roast. All
Speaker 3: those things were absolutely who I am. So it's truly
Speaker 3: in meat, deep and deep.
Speaker 1: I look at your website. Your house is just always
Speaker 1: so it's the house everyone wants. I need you to
Speaker 1: set all this argument. So before Christmas, I found this
Speaker 1: most beautiful door wreath. Yes, but I'm one of the
Speaker 1: people that loves a wreath all year round, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I think it's just that's beautiful, not Christmas themed. I
Speaker 1: just think it's hey, the Newmans live here. We're a
Speaker 1: happy and we're happily and we're come inside and put
Speaker 1: your feet up. Anyway, my husband and daughter don't agree. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I found this beautiful wreath. As I was saying, it's
Speaker 1: almost like a pink heather and very very full, like
Speaker 1: very very full, and you can barely close the door
Speaker 1: for it, like it's just exceptional, and I want to
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find like a pink waterwave, taffeta ribbon
Speaker 1: or velvet ribbon.
Speaker 3: I can tell exactly where to get that because I
Speaker 3: get a lot of my ribbons from a company in America,
Speaker 3: and the Americans have everything, like if you want to pink, they've.
Speaker 2: Got forty pinks. You can choose from any.
Speaker 3: Shade, any thickness, wire, you know, velvet, grow grain, whatever
Speaker 3: you one, I'll give.
Speaker 2: It to you because it's I think a ribbon really
Speaker 2: does make it look free.
Speaker 1: And like I said to Chris, I've got this vision,
Speaker 1: and he said, no, it's got to go down now Christmas.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm going to ask check.
Speaker 2: Or it doesn't sounds like it's very Christmasy. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: think it's a beautiful boat.
Speaker 1: It looks stunny, and we've got this beautiful big burgundy
Speaker 1: timber front door and it just got in the bricks
Speaker 1: kind of burgundy. And after contrast, yeah, and I thought,
Speaker 1: you know what, Chica will set me on the street.
Speaker 3: In America, they always have wreaths on their doors. Lots
Speaker 3: of homes, whether it's auto or it's spring.
Speaker 2: I love it. I think it's keep it. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I'll tell him you said that.
Speaker 2: Do you tell Chris that from me, because.
Speaker 1: You've now you've done one of your rooms up recently,
Speaker 1: all that beautiful bottle green.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So we put a conservatory on our house down on
Speaker 3: the peninsula, and it's funny. It's not the biggest room
Speaker 3: in the world, but it kind of gave us the
Speaker 3: entrance that we never really had, and we were doing
Speaker 3: the garden at the same time.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how I love I am with it.
Speaker 3: Like our whole house is sort of black and beige
Speaker 3: and a bit gray and bruce. And said to me,
Speaker 3: I wasn't allowed to put nicknacks because I do love
Speaker 3: my cutter, and slowly, slowly I have found its. But
Speaker 3: this new green room has got all my beautiful white china,
Speaker 3: and I'll collect you named I've got it.
Speaker 2: Napkins place mats.
Speaker 3: Love showing it off, and I don't mean showing it off,
Speaker 3: I mean like just showing.
Speaker 1: It so you can see you have been enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you can see it away, you use it.
Speaker 3: And I'm all about people using what you've got in
Speaker 3: the cupboards because we all just use the top five
Speaker 3: things and that's it. So this new green room is
Speaker 3: my love and I love it so much and it's
Speaker 3: so pretty and it was fun to decorate for Christmas.
Speaker 1: When I looked at it and I thought, gee, that's nice.
Speaker 3: It is it is like green everywhere, but it's the
Speaker 3: best green. Yeah, and we got those tops that those
Speaker 3: tiles are from Morocco. But because I've done all this
Speaker 3: green outside, it just brings it always that.
Speaker 2: It just feels gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy, like I cannot wait to get in
Speaker 3: the car and drive back down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a happy place. I bet you also have collaborations,
Speaker 1: don't do illusion.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a beautiful shop, which you know what.
Speaker 3: They came to me a couple of years ago and
Speaker 3: the first thing they asked me to do was to
Speaker 3: do a photo shoot in New York with Iris Apsoll,
Speaker 3: who has always been my idol. Yes, and I was like,
Speaker 3: are you serious? And we had the most extraordinary dal
Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. It was truly to meet that extraordinary
Speaker 3: woman and have time with her and just to talk
Speaker 3: to her about style and design was amazing. So yes,
Speaker 3: I'm doing that I've got another really exciting one coming
Speaker 3: out with Mecca, which is really.
Speaker 1: His favorite shop. It's gone from like Smiggle suddenly to
Speaker 1: Mecca and no in between. It's just all of Christmas
Speaker 1: was Mecca vouchers.
Speaker 3: Don't you Just when I see a mechat box under
Speaker 3: the tree, I'm like, oh, please for me. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I've got some really fun things that I've got coming up,
Speaker 3: like some food brands and do you know what? Every
Speaker 3: year starts off not knowing what's going to happen, and
Speaker 3: then you get all these sort of questions asked, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, let's just do it at the age of
Speaker 3: my life now where I'm like, I'm not gonna not
Speaker 3: say yes. I'm going to give it a go, see
Speaker 3: what happens and take it from there.
Speaker 1: Throw it to the wind. Don't you think I've spoken
Speaker 1: the first series? For me? It was once I turned fifty.
Speaker 1: There is a bit of no fucks given, isn't it?
Speaker 1: As you throw caution to the wind anything, Well, what's
Speaker 1: the worst that could happen if I fall flat on
Speaker 1: my face? It leads out I know I've how to go.
Speaker 3: I think we've got more confidence when I turned fifty
Speaker 3: My new word was no, because I felt like I
Speaker 3: said yes to everybody all my life and then suddenly
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want to do that, so no,
Speaker 3: thank you very much. And I felt so liberated when
Speaker 3: there were things happening that I didn't have to go
Speaker 3: to or where I just sort of decided it wasn't
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do because my week was already
Speaker 3: really busy, and I've just been kind to myself and
Speaker 3: it's been incredibly liberaated.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, it is so liberating. I
Speaker 1: think at first you feel like I'm going to miss
Speaker 1: out on something. I'm missing out on opportunities because you're
Speaker 1: always told to go for it. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think too, as a woman, sometimes it is a bit
Speaker 1: fight for the bone, like you really have to be
Speaker 1: out there. But you're right, it's liberating. Once you turn fifty,
Speaker 1: something happens, something washes over you. Yeah, like it's okay.
Speaker 3: I've got this real theory in life too, that these
Speaker 3: sliding into all moments. Whether if you say no to
Speaker 3: something then you can't look back and regret. If you
Speaker 3: say yes to something and it's absolutely the best thing, fantastic,
Speaker 3: and if it doesn't work out, just learn from it,
Speaker 3: and that's okay too, to sit back. And I really
Speaker 3: feel like we need to do this more that we
Speaker 3: sit back and go that didn't work because of but
Speaker 3: that's all right. Or I should have done something differently,
Speaker 3: but that's all right. Like we have to give ourselves
Speaker 3: a little bit of leniency.
Speaker 1: And how hard is it to say no? Because as
Speaker 1: a woman and as a mum, its hard to turn the.
Speaker 2: Which is why it's liberating to be able to say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think, oh, that's all right. No small
Speaker 1: children were harmed in the saying.
Speaker 2: Yes, my no? Is it going to save or change
Speaker 2: the world?
Speaker 1: So where? Tell me? Where are you with your menopause journey?
Speaker 2: Well, it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: I actually don't know because I started at forty nine, yep.
Speaker 3: And I my mum had a really tough time with
Speaker 3: menopause and that was when I first knew what it
Speaker 3: was about. And she was all over the shop and
Speaker 3: I remember she sent me some flowers to say I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: and that's when she went on too HRT. And you
Speaker 3: know how long ago we talking. Mum's eighty two a
Speaker 3: long time ago. Yeah, And there was a whole thing
Speaker 3: about you know, the different risks that HRT had. But
Speaker 3: I always said, if and when that happens to me,
Speaker 3: I will jump on board stra away. So when I
Speaker 3: started feeling a the sweats and you know, feeling the
Speaker 3: anxiety and all the rest of it, beautiful Bruce said
Speaker 3: to me, sweetheart, do you think it's time you went
Speaker 3: to the doctor? And I thought, okay, I'm obviously not
Speaker 3: being gracier so.
Speaker 1: Of being a bit like me do so perhaps.
Speaker 3: So my I love my doctor. She has been with
Speaker 3: me since I got married. Correct, She's been through the
Speaker 3: journey with the kids and all the problems that they've
Speaker 3: all had. And I just sat with her and said,
Speaker 3: tell me what to do, and you know, they're very open.
Speaker 3: Here's some options you choose. And I said, well what
Speaker 3: are you going to do? And she said, oh, no
Speaker 3: one's ever asked me that before. And I said, well,
Speaker 3: what will you do? So she told me and I said, well,
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to do what you're going to do.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And so at forty nine, I did the Marina. I
Speaker 3: started on HRT and it was literally.
Speaker 2: A game changer.
Speaker 3: But now I'm fifty six, and I said to her,
Speaker 3: the other day, when do we stop this?
Speaker 2: You don't have to.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, you can keep going. You can do whatever
Speaker 3: you want. You can you know, obviously I'll take the
Speaker 3: Marina out. But like I sort of this is the
Speaker 3: year I'm going to investigate all of that, sort of
Speaker 3: see where I don't need to keep.
Speaker 1: Doing prioritize yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah a bit. Yeah, because I feel fantastic, Like.
Speaker 1: You look fantastic, glowing. When you came into the studio,
Speaker 1: I thought, my god, this woman's got it all together.
Speaker 2: Just had a nice holiday.
Speaker 1: No, but you do. You look relaxed and refresh can
Speaker 1: On top.
Speaker 2: Of I feel really good. I feel good going into
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: Actually, so I've had a lot of happy times over
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, which I think also makes
Speaker 3: you feel good, feels your cup.
Speaker 2: But the whole HRT thing for me has been the best.
Speaker 3: So I just feel like I'm at my normal keep
Speaker 3: going and doing what I need to do without any
Speaker 3: sort of.
Speaker 1: And you've got like you've got a madic routine. You
Speaker 1: can be flying all around the world. Yeah no, but
Speaker 1: you can yes absolutely different time zones and really your
Speaker 1: life has not.
Speaker 2: Bruce had I had a conversation and said, okay.
Speaker 3: So at fifty five we both talked about what the
Speaker 3: next five years we're going to look like, and then
Speaker 3: we said, we're having this chat again at sixty, so
Speaker 3: we kind of know that the next what's happening in
Speaker 3: the next five years. Both kids live overseas, so it
Speaker 3: is literally just about us, our beautiful otto and that's
Speaker 3: what we're doing.
Speaker 2: And I think it's working really well for us.
Speaker 1: Your daughter is now thirty and your son is twenty eight. Yes,
Speaker 1: and getting married next year, yes, which is so exciting.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that will be the wedding of the century.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, do you know what?
Speaker 3: We have literally done thousands and if not hundreds of
Speaker 3: thousands of weddings, And to have the opportunity to do
Speaker 3: something for your own child and their beautiful partner, it's
Speaker 3: the greatest gift in the world.
Speaker 2: And we Brice and I. You should hear us.
Speaker 3: You're excited, like and they're so cute, the two of them.
Speaker 3: They're like whatever you think.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, of course the experts are in.
Speaker 2: Do give an inch, you'll take a mile. No.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking empty nesting. How did that coincide
Speaker 1: with you going through perimenopause and the kids leaving, because
Speaker 1: it seems like for me, it's a life collision where
Speaker 1: you've got elderly parents whose needs are greater, so you're
Speaker 1: getting stretched in that direction. For me, it's a teenage daughter.
Speaker 1: It's not the restrictions but the demands of breakfast radio.
Speaker 1: And it does feel like this collision course of everything
Speaker 1: at once. And then I'm also grappling with not being
Speaker 1: able to sleep and going through I'm still perimenopause like,
Speaker 1: and then you've got the kid like everything.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 3: It's a lot, and it always happens at the same time. Yes,
Speaker 3: because then my two children left. In fact, Jess's been
Speaker 3: living in America now for ten years. Bj went and
Speaker 3: did college over there, came back, went back again, so
Speaker 3: it's not been five or six so.
Speaker 2: Actually probably they missed the worst of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: It is interesting how it all happens.
Speaker 3: And then suddenly you sit in bed and go, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I don't have to jump out of bed
Speaker 3: and make breakfast for anyone, or worry about dinner tonight
Speaker 3: or who's been picked up dropped off? So yes, it does.
Speaker 3: It changes everything, and I supposed to a degree Bruce
Speaker 3: and I have been quite selfish in the fact that
Speaker 3: it's just about us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again I'm finding that even though fourteen this year,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of finding that reconnect with my husband again
Speaker 1: because she's even more independent, becoming special. So it's like,
Speaker 1: and you know what's really nice. I just thought the
Speaker 1: other day, because you know, when you you feel like
Speaker 1: ships in the night and it is like tag team,
Speaker 1: even though we've only got one child, it's sort of
Speaker 1: like you be here, you be there, I'll do this,
Speaker 1: you do. There's never there's no date nights a lot,
Speaker 1: not enough, No, but it is nice to come back
Speaker 1: to that point and think that connection is still there.
Speaker 1: And it's scary after all those it.
Speaker 3: Is and the number of my friends who have separated
Speaker 3: after their children have left because they're looking at each other.
Speaker 1: Going, who, I don't know you anymore.
Speaker 2: That's why you got to make your date nights.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Bruce and I always had date nights because
Speaker 3: we're obviously working together, living together, children together, and I
Speaker 3: think sometimes to go out for dinner and just talk
Speaker 3: about a couple.
Speaker 2: Nothing like no.
Speaker 1: Work, not business partners. Yeah. God, he's so cute.
Speaker 2: I love him.
Speaker 1: So he looks great.
Speaker 2: I say, do you know what? He is living his
Speaker 2: best life.
Speaker 1: He looks fantastic, happy's shape.
Speaker 2: Do you know what?
Speaker 3: After COVID, which is obviously an incredibly tough times for
Speaker 3: many people, but it was really tough in the hospitality industry,
Speaker 3: he really showed up to a lot of people with
Speaker 3: He did lots of Instagram chats and all the rest
Speaker 3: of it. And I think he's at a really great place,
Speaker 3: a bit like what we're talking about, how we feel
Speaker 3: like at fifty you can say no, Yeah, he's at
Speaker 3: that stage where he knows what he's good at, what
Speaker 3: he's capable of, what he wants to do more of,
Speaker 3: and he's just going for it.
Speaker 1: And I love that about him because his face says it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks he's naughty.
Speaker 1: Well thirty plus years thirty two, that is, that's a great.
Speaker 1: How did you meet?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we met on a plane going up
Speaker 3: to Queensland. We were both working for a caterer called
Speaker 3: Peter Rowlands. Yes, and Bruce used to go up and
Speaker 3: do the Brisbane bed football lunches every second week and
Speaker 3: one day the girl that used to go couldn't, so
Speaker 3: I went and that was.
Speaker 1: Its fuck and the rest is history and.
Speaker 2: The rest is history.
Speaker 3: And then we thought no one knew that we were together.
Speaker 3: And there was a big drum or a big marquet
Speaker 3: had blown down, a big society wedding down in Flinders,
Speaker 3: and we got the phone call from Peter saying, can
Speaker 3: you please go and go fix it? He said, and
Speaker 3: can you make sure Bruce is with you? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: how did he even know we're together?
Speaker 2: So it was just one of those funny things. But
Speaker 2: now as a business own now you know everything that's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but your soul mates teasted me that you.
Speaker 3: And I feel like we've grown up together like we
Speaker 3: were young. We were twenty three when we got married.
Speaker 3: So I really feel like between having the big group,
Speaker 3: which is we always say our first child, and having
Speaker 3: our two children and just everything that's gone on in
Speaker 3: the world of you know, what we've been doing, it's
Speaker 3: been great.
Speaker 2: There have been times where I wanted to, you know, kill.
Speaker 1: Him, Yeah, but that's that's natural.
Speaker 3: But he's not the best and I can't imagine walking
Speaker 3: into the last half of my life without my best
Speaker 3: friend by my side.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Tell me what was his how important was
Speaker 1: his support. You said that he instigated you. Maybe, yes,
Speaker 1: see the GP.
Speaker 2: He was amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's been incredible, Like he's not every day
Speaker 3: how I am, but he absolutely is across it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm tell him things and he's interested.
Speaker 2: He listen. He doesn't brush it away. No, And I
Speaker 2: think that's.
Speaker 3: A thing about menopause and perimenopause. Most guys don't know
Speaker 3: much about it, no, so I think it is important.
Speaker 1: A lot of women don't know about it. I came
Speaker 1: into this and I was so unarmed, cheeker. I thought,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm I'm not a dumb person, but
Speaker 1: why aren't we talking about this? I don't know enough
Speaker 1: about it. No one's talking about it on the podcast.
Speaker 2: I love that you have got it.
Speaker 3: And I was telling quite a few people that I
Speaker 3: was doing this today and so many were like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, that is so good to hear because there
Speaker 3: is not much enough information out there. There's not enough
Speaker 3: understanding that we're all different and we want to do
Speaker 3: it differently. But it's also important to know we can
Speaker 3: feel back to our normal selves.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the thing I remember saying to my GP.
Speaker 1: I said, am I going to feel normal again. Yes, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's such a funny thing, my journey.
Speaker 1: So how's this so coming off the back of Christmas?
Speaker 1: So I think it's when we stop down on survey break,
Speaker 1: we have a We're very very lucky, very fortunate in
Speaker 1: that we have five or six weeks off and that
Speaker 1: is a time for your body to just completely relax.
Speaker 1: So I went, this has happened three years in a row,
Speaker 1: eleven months without a period. So I thought, Wow, this
Speaker 1: is it. I'm finally like high five after a lifetime
Speaker 1: of you know, pcos and endometriosis and all that. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is it. This is the next chapter.
Speaker 1: And then always when I'm off in that survey break,
Speaker 1: I get a period. Yeah, so I go back to
Speaker 1: square one.
Speaker 2: Is it a real period? Though?
Speaker 1: Well, the first one certainly was. It was like the
Speaker 1: gates of hell, Yeah, that's horrible. And then it was
Speaker 1: like a bit of a puff the second. The second
Speaker 1: time it happened. And then so this December, that's just happened.
Speaker 1: I said to my husband, we were about to go
Speaker 1: up to the WIT Sundays for our break, and I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I was really pissed off. I said
Speaker 1: to Chris, can you believe I think I'm going to
Speaker 1: have to go and get some tampons because I am
Speaker 1: pretty sure that my period's coming. He's going no, and
Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm serious. Like even cheek are the
Speaker 1: saw boobs And they got sore each day, and then
Speaker 1: I started to get the cramping, and I thought, you've
Speaker 1: got it like I was.
Speaker 2: So that would make me furious.
Speaker 1: I just stormed into a west Damn these damn tampons.
Speaker 1: And if you enjoyed this episode with Cheeka, download part two.
Speaker 1: If your menopause journey is making you feel disempowered, I
Speaker 1: highly recommend Back in Control, where she talks about how
Speaker 1: she took charge of her journey and inspires other women
Speaker 1: to do the same. I'm Petrina Jones strage against the
Speaker 1: menopause