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Speaker 1: Cheek a Keyboard is a powerhouse business woman, co founder

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Speaker 1: of the Big Group alongside husband Bruce's mother to now

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Speaker 1: adult children, author and media personality. But when you sit

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Speaker 1: down to chat with Chica, you feel as though you've

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Speaker 1: known her for years. She is the real deal, authentic,

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Speaker 1: fearless and utterly divine. I didn't want our meeting to end.

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Speaker 1: We talk turning fifty, empty, nesting, and the liberation of

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Speaker 1: learning to say no, enjoy. Woman's got it all together.

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Speaker 2: Menopause, It's coming for you no matter what.

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Speaker 1: Let's build a village of support.

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Speaker 2: Why is it so damn hot in here?

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Speaker 1: Menopause is so hot right now?

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Speaker 2: I think I'm only in menopause.

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Speaker 1: Women just want to feel hurt rage against the menopause

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Speaker 1: as I'm so excited. I have the beautiful cheek at Keyboard.

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Speaker 1: Who you might know from. I think you did three

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Speaker 1: seasons of Housewife. I did Melbourne. But far more than that,

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Speaker 1: you are an entrepreneur. You're described on your website Chica

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Speaker 1: dot com, warm, kind, classy. I have been a fan

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Speaker 1: of yours for so so long. Our paths crossed at

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Speaker 1: lunch last year for Derby Day, and I had seen

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Speaker 1: you at a few other events, and I thought, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm actually going to introduce myself this time

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Speaker 1: because I think you're so amazing Checker. So I did

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Speaker 1: go up to you, and I was so I don't

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Speaker 1: know what I was expecting, but I felt like i'd

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Speaker 1: known you for ever.

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Speaker 3: I love that. That's exactly what I like people to

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Speaker 3: feel like. I think that's a nice thing.

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Speaker 1: Well you are. You are warm, and you are kind.

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Speaker 2: And you are cute.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, you're classy. Know you were on Housewives. I thought

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Speaker 1: that you just you held yourself so beautifully and elegantly

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Speaker 1: and didn't get involved in the nasty. No.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny because I just that's who I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm not that person to get into drama and to

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Speaker 3: cause problems. And I found it really interesting watching that

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Speaker 3: show and being a part of that show and seeing

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Speaker 3: how they sort of made that all work and happen

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Speaker 3: and obviously set off the fireworks, but I was like, Nope,

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Speaker 3: that's not who I am. And also too, I had

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Speaker 3: a business to protect. I was certainly not going to

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Speaker 3: go out looking like I was the gossiping person when

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Speaker 3: in fact, really that's not who I am. And I

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Speaker 3: wanted to protect and make sure that no one thought

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Speaker 3: that that's what I was doing when we're in someone's

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Speaker 1: So you're a class act. Thank you, of course, you

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Speaker 1: and Bruce, the beautiful Bruce, your husband of thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Thirty two, been together thirty four.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you run the Big Group, which is an international

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Speaker 1: hospitality group. Yeah, would that be fair?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's been a journey and it's funny. We both

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Speaker 3: started that business to save up some money to go

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Speaker 3: more and more work and then sort of got more

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Speaker 3: that trip's not going to happen the way we thought

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Speaker 3: it was. We went on a six week trip, but

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Speaker 3: we just got so much that we just sort of

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Speaker 3: thought we better come back and keep going.

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Speaker 1: But you're a great team. Everything you touch terms to gold.

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Speaker 1: Everything is beautiful. No no, no, But the way you dressed today,

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Speaker 1: you'd never step.

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Speaker 2: You're so kind.

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Speaker 3: I love things like that though, Like I love fashion,

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Speaker 3: I love you know, decorating homes, I love beautiful food,

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Speaker 3: Like all those things are very much who I am

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Speaker 3: and have been who I've been all my life. Like

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Speaker 3: my I had two amazing grandmothers. One was a real

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Speaker 3: homemaker and the other one was actually an actress on

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Speaker 3: the stage during World War one and two. And I

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Speaker 3: feel like I've got both of them sitting on my

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Speaker 3: And my mum's mum taught me how to fold cheets,

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Speaker 3: how to do flower arrangements, make the perfect roast. All

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Speaker 1: I look at your website. Your house is just always

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Speaker 1: so it's the house everyone wants. I need you to

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Speaker 1: set all this argument. So before Christmas, I found this

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Speaker 1: I think it's just that's beautiful, not Christmas themed. I

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Speaker 1: I found this beautiful wreath. As I was saying, it's

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find like a pink waterwave, taffeta ribbon

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Speaker 3: I can tell exactly where to get that because I

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Speaker 3: get a lot of my ribbons from a company in America,

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Speaker 3: and the Americans have everything, like if you want to pink, they've.

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Speaker 2: Got forty pinks. You can choose from any.

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Speaker 3: Shade, any thickness, wire, you know, velvet, grow grain, whatever

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Speaker 2: It to you because it's I think a ribbon really

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Speaker 2: does make it look free.

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Speaker 1: And like I said to Chris, I've got this vision,

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Speaker 1: and he said, no, it's got to go down now Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Or it doesn't sounds like it's very Christmasy. Anyway, I

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Speaker 2: think it's a beautiful boat.

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Speaker 1: It looks stunny, and we've got this beautiful big burgundy

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Speaker 1: kind of burgundy. And after contrast, yeah, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Chica will set me on the street.

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Speaker 3: In America, they always have wreaths on their doors. Lots

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Speaker 2: I love it. I think it's keep it. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell him you said that.

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Speaker 2: Do you tell Chris that from me, because.

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Speaker 1: You've now you've done one of your rooms up recently,

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Speaker 1: all that beautiful bottle green.

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Speaker 3: So we put a conservatory on our house down on

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Speaker 3: the peninsula, and it's funny. It's not the biggest room

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how I love I am with it.

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Speaker 3: Like our whole house is sort of black and beige

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Speaker 3: my cutter, and slowly, slowly I have found its. But

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Speaker 3: this new green room has got all my beautiful white china,

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Speaker 3: and I'll collect you named I've got it.

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Speaker 2: Napkins place mats.

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Speaker 3: Love showing it off, and I don't mean showing it off,

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Speaker 1: It so you can see you have been enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you can see it away, you use it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm all about people using what you've got in

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Speaker 1: When I looked at it and I thought, gee, that's nice.

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Speaker 3: It is it is like green everywhere, but it's the

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Speaker 3: best green. Yeah, and we got those tops that those

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Speaker 3: tiles are from Morocco. But because I've done all this

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Speaker 2: It just feels gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy, like I cannot wait to get in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a happy place. I bet you also have collaborations,

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a beautiful shop, which you know what.

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Speaker 3: They came to me a couple of years ago and

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Speaker 3: the first thing they asked me to do was to

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Speaker 3: do a photo shoot in New York with Iris Apsoll,

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Speaker 3: who has always been my idol. Yes, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. It was truly to meet that extraordinary

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Speaker 3: to her about style and design was amazing. So yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm doing that I've got another really exciting one coming

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Speaker 1: His favorite shop. It's gone from like Smiggle suddenly to

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Speaker 1: Mecca and no in between. It's just all of Christmas

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Speaker 3: Don't you Just when I see a mechat box under

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Speaker 3: the tree, I'm like, oh, please for me. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've got some really fun things that I've got coming up,

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Speaker 3: like some food brands and do you know what? Every

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Speaker 3: then you get all these sort of questions asked, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, let's just do it at the age of

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Speaker 3: my life now where I'm like, I'm not gonna not

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Speaker 3: what happens and take it from there.

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Speaker 1: Throw it to the wind. Don't you think I've spoken

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Speaker 1: the first series? For me? It was once I turned fifty.

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Speaker 1: There is a bit of no fucks given, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: As you throw caution to the wind anything, Well, what's

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Speaker 3: I think we've got more confidence when I turned fifty

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Speaker 3: My new word was no, because I felt like I

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Speaker 3: thank you very much. And I felt so liberated when

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Speaker 3: it's been incredibly liberaated.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, it is so liberating. I

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Speaker 1: think at first you feel like I'm going to miss

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Speaker 1: out on something. I'm missing out on opportunities because you're

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Speaker 1: always told to go for it. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: think too, as a woman, sometimes it is a bit

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Speaker 1: fight for the bone, like you really have to be

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Speaker 1: out there. But you're right, it's liberating. Once you turn fifty,

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Speaker 3: I've got this real theory in life too, that these

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Speaker 3: sliding into all moments. Whether if you say no to

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Speaker 3: say yes to something and it's absolutely the best thing, fantastic,

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Speaker 3: and if it doesn't work out, just learn from it,

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Speaker 3: and that's okay too, to sit back. And I really

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Speaker 3: feel like we need to do this more that we

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Speaker 3: sit back and go that didn't work because of but

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Speaker 3: that's all right. Or I should have done something differently,

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Speaker 3: but that's all right. Like we have to give ourselves

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Speaker 3: a little bit of leniency.

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Speaker 1: And how hard is it to say no? Because as

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Speaker 1: a woman and as a mum, its hard to turn the.

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Speaker 2: Which is why it's liberating to be able to say it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think, oh, that's all right. No small

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Speaker 1: children were harmed in the saying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, my no? Is it going to save or change

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Speaker 2: the world?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the thing I remember saying to my GP.

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Speaker 1: square one.

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Speaker 2: Is it a real period? Though?

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Speaker 1: Well, the first one certainly was. It was like the

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Speaker 1: gates of hell, Yeah, that's horrible. And then it was

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Speaker 1: like a bit of a puff the second. The second

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Speaker 1: time it happened. And then so this December, that's just happened.

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Speaker 1: I said to my husband, we were about to go

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Speaker 1: up to the WIT Sundays for our break, and I said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I was really pissed off. I said

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Speaker 1: to Chris, can you believe I think I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have to go and get some tampons because I am

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Speaker 1: pretty sure that my period's coming. He's going no, and

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Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm serious. Like even cheek are the

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Speaker 1: saw boobs And they got sore each day, and then

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Speaker 1: I started to get the cramping, and I thought, you've

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Speaker 1: got it like I was.

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Speaker 2: So that would make me furious.

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Speaker 1: I just stormed into a west Damn these damn tampons.

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Speaker 1: And if you enjoyed this episode with Cheeka, download part two.

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