1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: But joining me in the studio is from the Northern 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Territory Police Commander Danny Bacon. Good morning to you, morning, Katy, 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time today. Now, first off, 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: we know that there is still a prisoner on the 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: loose as I understand it. Can you give us a 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: bit further detail about the situation as it stands. 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: As it stands, Katy, we're still looking for tween nine 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: year old mile Lazareth barra Bara. He's one of three 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: people that escape from the anti correctional custing facility which 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: is using the Darn Watchhouse in the city. Two of 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: the prisoners were apprehended fairly quickly in the CBD region. 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: Mister barra Bara was last seen late yesterday afternoon in 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: a vehicle believed to be traveling south. So we've got 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: a number of detectives that have been assigned the matter 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: and an active investigation and a way to locate him. 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: So it sounds as though he's gotten away from Darwin 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 1: correct this. 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: Days, but we're not one hundred percent shores. So we'st 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: asking obviously members of the public to be aware that 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: there is an escape prisoner and if they cite him 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: that the police contact police. 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Now is he dangerous. 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: He's in custody for a property offending, so as you 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: can appreciate Codie, if he was in there for a 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: domestic violence or you know, I had a victim type 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: offending who would certainly be in a position to go 27 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: and speak to that victim, put a safety plan in place. 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: He's not individual of that caliber, but certainly he has 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: history for property offending, so we asked member of the 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: public not to approach him, but certainly contact police if 31 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: they see him. 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: Sounds like the eighteen and twenty three year old was 33 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: sort of pretty quick to be captured. What happened with 34 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: this guy? 35 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have that full particulars, but obviously the 36 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: three escape corrections custody fairly quickly, police were notified and 37 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: two were wrapped up fairly quickly. The other gentleman eluded 38 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: us within the CBD region. Yes, he remains outstanding, so. 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: All right, well, hopefully able to catch him pretty quickly 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: and look, if anybody is keen to find out exactly 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: what he looks like, he can jump on the Northern 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: Territory Police Foreign Emergency Services Facebook page for a full description. 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: Get in contact with the police. On one three to 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: one Triple four Now, Commander yesterday, I was contacted by 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: a couple of parents after Year five students attended midday 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: mass at the cathedral in the city. Now. During that time, 47 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: a person of what they have described as an of 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: unsound mind had an episode at the cathedral. He was loud, 49 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: he was swearing, he was acting in a threatening will, 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: apparently making threatening gestures. Really, I think a really scary 51 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: situation for those Year five students. Were the police able 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: to apprehend that personal? Did you end up working out 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: exactly what was going on? 54 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: We did received call regaining the behavior, and so please 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: responded the same time the individual identified. I suppose a 56 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: description that was provided and the behavior observed indicated us 57 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: it was a mental health episode that the individual was suffering. 58 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 2: Some John's were contacted and appropriate help was provided that 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: particular individual. I can only imagine that obviously the events 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: of the time would have been quite distressing percentaly for 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: the students themselves. Mental health is a significant issue within 62 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: our community more generally speaking, not just in the Northern 63 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: Territory but elsewhere. But I think even in particular the 64 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: Northern Territory, I think unfortunately it is one of the 65 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: statistics that we leave the Northern Territory of suicides. I 66 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: think twenty twenty people commit suicide one hundred thousand population, 67 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: and unfortunately we are the leaders of the nation in 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: that sort of statistic, and a lot of suicides is 69 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: mental health related. So yeah, mental health is a significant 70 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: challenge within the community itself. We work closely with the 71 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: mental health payments and John's with a coresponse model down 72 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: so we're hoping that that model can expand more broady 73 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: within our agency, and we're hoping with a review that 74 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: some permanent funding can be attached to that because that's 75 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: funded from within from all three agencies. 76 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and look, it is a concern, it's you know, 77 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: it's a concern for a number of reasons. Obviously a 78 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: real concern for the mental health of that person. But 79 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: then even when we look at what happened in Bondie 80 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: and how dangerous that situation escalated, and how quickly that 81 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: situation escalated, if there is somebody who's got serious mental 82 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: health concerns who's out on the street, and I know 83 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: that it's not the role of the Northern Territory Police 84 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: to be assessing those people, but you know like we've 85 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: got to get better in this space. I don't know 86 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: exactly how we do, but there needs to be some 87 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: further supports because it's not just a matter of making 88 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: sure that that person is safe. It's a matter of 89 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: making sure that in some very rare instances, I know 90 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: that it's rare, but that they're not a danger to 91 00:04:58,800 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: others around them. 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree Cuddy, and we are a key 93 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: stakeholder in that. Obviously Health take the lead with mental 94 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: health itself, but certainly we use an agency. We're aware 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 2: that we play key play in that with the community 96 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: safety and were keen to support Health and other service 97 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: provide us in this space. But it is one of 98 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: those things that people don't talk about generally, like suicides themselves. 99 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: I think we just need to have more discussion in 100 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: our community to. 101 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: Really do it's and over the last few weeks, and 102 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: again I know we can't really go into a huge 103 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: amount of detail even in relation to suicide, but I 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: know that there has been a number of occasions over 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: just the last few weeks where our Northern Territory Police 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: have responded to those situations in our community. It has 107 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: a wide ranging, rippling effect in so many ways, and 108 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: it's track like it is really tragic what's going on. 109 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: It is. 110 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: I provided the statistic earlier we own twenty people per 111 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand. You know, we talk about death in 112 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: our community and the harm in our community. I mean, 113 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: we we're in the middle of no National Road Safety 114 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,559 Speaker 2: Week itself. You know, we've lost twenty lives this year 115 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: already to date this time last year were four and 116 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: total of thirty one last year. So we're actually again 117 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: leading the nation. And that statistic was isn't statistically the nation. 118 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: We're three to four times a national average in our 119 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 2: fatalities and our roads. Family violence, I think the reacing 120 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: you know, coronal matter being held anyone. Women have lost 121 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: their lives since two thousand, you know, with family violence 122 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: bestic violence. Now that's three to four you know women 123 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: a year in domestic violence there and domestic that's the 124 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: obviously the significant end. But as you know tell you before, 125 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: demands for service we're going, domestic viruce is significantly high. 126 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: It really is. I mean even today overnight, you know, 127 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: we had twenty one domestic violence insidence at two property offenses. 128 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: You know, it is our our demand for service and 129 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: where the harm is in our communityon there's a domestic 130 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: violence has a lot of insidious reasons for that, but 131 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: certainly mental health within a relationship is a part of 132 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: part of that as well. Yeah, it really is. 133 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: So I don't know, it feels to me like there 134 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: needs to be some further discussion, not just you know, 135 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: like we know our police numbers need to be bolstered. 136 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: You know, you and I have spoken about that before, 137 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: We speak about it very regularly, but you know, some 138 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: of these different then you know, different areas that the 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: police are dealing with really very often. You guys are 140 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: there at the pointing end, but there needs to be 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: some serious work before then, before it becomes a policing issue. 142 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: Under percent agree. I mean you're looking at investments in education, health, 143 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: child protection, early intervention. That's that's where the value for 144 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: intervention is. It's that early early conversations, early education, preventative health. 145 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: So we are we really are you using the term, 146 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 2: but we are at the bottom end of the cliff 147 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: when when we as an agency involved, which is disappointing 148 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: because you want to be in that early intervention space 149 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: and we try to get there. But resourcing is challenging 150 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: when you are in a demand for service response role. 151 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: So you know, we really are looking to support those 152 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: agencies that take that lead in the space and and yeah, 153 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: will continue to do that. 154 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: I want to ask about the situation out at Daily River. 155 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: We know that there has been calls for an ongoing 156 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: police task force to be stationed in the township. There's 157 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: also been some real praise of the local police officers 158 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: and what they have done over particularly over the last 159 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: few days. How are things going from a policing perspective. 160 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 2: For as you it's not my patch, but certainly i'm 161 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: talking to my colleagues. The community itself is is that 162 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: relatively calm as obviously tensions are still high between our 163 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: individuals and groups. We will continue to work with the 164 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: community and other agencies involved to hopefully to bring some 165 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: form of mediation between individual juels and family groups where 166 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: that is needed to resolve those issues. Will continue to 167 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: assess that on a continual basis. But certainly credit to 168 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: the local offices in the community, but not just the 169 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: officers themselves. There's a range of different service providers and 170 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: community members. You know, we're not talking about whole community, 171 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 2: and I'm very conscious not to blame our whole community. 172 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: It's not you know that some individuals within community. It's 173 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: not just that community. There could be other communities that 174 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: are adjacent to that as well. 175 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: So Commander, I mean, I don't want to name them, 176 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: but is it a situation here where you've got a 177 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: gang you know, named after a band that are literally 178 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: freaking havoc? 179 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: Certain in the group that you're talking about, and yes, 180 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: there's aspects of those individuals, but this is not a 181 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: gang related incident involving that particular group, but it's more 182 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: broadly within that particular region between communities and different family 183 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: members as well. So yes, there are elements of that 184 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: particul get a group that you mentioned, but certain that 185 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 2: is not the basis of that community unrest within there. 186 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: Well, look, Commander Danny Bacon, we will leave it there 187 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: for this morning. Always appreciate your time. I do see 188 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: as well, the Northern Territory Police have just arrested a 189 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: man in relation to drug and alcohol offenses in the 190 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: Daily River region in the community out there, So I 191 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: will read that pressure release out very shortly. But thank 192 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: you as always for your time today. 193 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 2: Thanks very much appreciate it. 194 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: Thank you