1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: It's the twentieth of April. I've got Sam here to 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: take me through the day's news. In today's Deep Dive, 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about the controversial candidates standing in Waringa. She's 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: representing the Liberal Party and there's a fair bit to 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: say about that. 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: We'll leave that to. 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Tom and Sam later in the episode and cover the headlines. First. 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: We're going straight to South Australia for our first story, 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: where David Spears, same name as the ABC commentator but 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: different person, has been elected Liberal leader in the state 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 3: and will lead the opposition. This came after former South 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: Australian Premier Stephen Marshall resigned after losing the election. Spears 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 3: said South Australians can expect a traditional center right approached 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: from his term as leader and will put forward quote 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: the most progressive environmental agenda in this nation. 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski has announced Russia's offensive to seize 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine has begun. Zelenski said 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: a very large part of the entire Russian army is 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: now focused on this offensive, but added the Ukraine's forces 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: will defend the territory quote, no matter how many Russian 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: troops are driven there. 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: We were particularly excited about this story at TDAHQ yesterday. 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: The Australian Electoral Commission has revealed seventeen point two million 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: Australians are now eligible to vote in the upcoming election, 26 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 3: after seven hundred thousand people enrolled in the week since 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: the election was called. On Monday, two hundred and fourteen 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: thousand people alone registered to vote. It was the biggest 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: single day enrollment in Australia's history. 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: It's nice to have two good news stories to wrap 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: up this Wednesday morning bulletin. The German government has officially 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: authorized the raising of the Rainbow flag on government buildings, 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: and the Interior Minister, Nancy Faser said we are a 34 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: modern and diverse country. It's high time that we as 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: state institutions, also show that more clearly. 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: For today's deep Dive, I am joined by Tom Crowley, 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: political journalist from the Daily Os. Tom, I wanted to 38 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 3: talk to you about the Liberal candidate in the seat 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: of Warringa in Sydney's North. Her name is Catherine Deves 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: and she's in the headlines for all the wrong reasons 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: this week give us a general overview of why you 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 3: might read about Catherine Deeves in the news. So, Catherine 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: Deeves SEM is the Liberal Party's candidate, as you mentioned, 44 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: for the seat of Waringa that's in Sydney's kind of 45 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: Northern Beaches north Shore. But it's the seat that was 46 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: held for twenty five years by former Liberal Prime Minister 47 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: Tony Abbott, but at the last election was won by 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: an independent, Zali Steegel, So it's a seat that the 49 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: Liberals would be trying to win back from that independent, 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: Zali Steegel. Catherine Deeves is the candidate they've chosen to 51 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 3: do that, and she's been quite a controversial choice because 52 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 3: of a number of past comments that she's made about 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: the transgender community. So she was sort of described by 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: the Liberal Party as a women's advocate and particularly an 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: advocate for women's sport. That campaign that she's led has 56 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: been specifically about the participation of transgender women and women's sport, 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: which is something that Deeves opposed. So there's that issue, 58 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 3: But then there's also a broad history of kind of 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: tweets in a deleted Twitter account and a number of 60 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 3: comments in sort of various public forums over the last 61 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 3: few years about the transgender community and transgender issues in general, 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: which have made headlines in the last few days and 63 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: led to a bit of an argument, with quite a 64 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: public spat between different members of the Liberal Party, some 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: saying that she should be dumped and others coming to 66 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: her defense. So it's been quite an unedifying, i guess, 67 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: public argument between members of the same party during an 68 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: election campaign. It's still unresolved and it's still going on. 69 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: And so how was she picked if she has these 70 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: quite controversial views, that's a good question. 71 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: So the pre selection process, which is that the process 72 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: that parties use to pick their candidates, it's a bit 73 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: of a murky and changeable thing and there's no kind 74 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: of single process. Usually though both of the major parties 75 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: have some involvement of local members. That wasn't the case 76 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: this time, so the local members of the Liberal Party 77 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: in the areas around Warringa were not involved in the 78 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: selection of Catherine Deeves. This was what was called a 79 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: captain's pick. So there are about nine seats in New 80 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: South Wales where the Federal Liberal Party intervened and a 81 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: panel of three people, including Prime Minister Scott Morrison picked 82 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: the candidates themselves. This was one of those, So this 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: was something that was directly decided, I guess by by 84 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: Scott Morrison and by two others, and so in that 85 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: sense it's been described as a bit of a captain's 86 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: pick by the Prime Minister. 87 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: I'm keen not to give these comments more oxygen than 88 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: they deserve. But if you're going to summarize it thematically, Tom, 89 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: what type of views does Catherine Deves hold. 90 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, as you say, Sam, some of the comments 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: that have been unearthed from Deeves over the last couple 92 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,119 Speaker 2: of years, it's fair to say, you know, really pretty 93 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 2: nasty and I'm sure would be distressing to some readers. 94 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: I don't feel the need to kind of read them 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: out in full, although if you go to our Instagram 96 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: page you can rea story that I wrote on it 97 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: yesterday which includes some of those comments. But in general, 98 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: I guess it's not just restricted to this issue of 99 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: kind of participation in women's sport. There have been a 100 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: lot of comments made linking, for example, the transgender community, 101 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: to sex predators, to taking advantage of children. Links have 102 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: been made to Nazism and to the stolen generations and 103 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: a number of other I suppose what you describe as 104 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: fairly derogatory comments about trans people in general, and also 105 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: I suppose linking to this idea of that the existence 106 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: of trans people poses a threat to women's human rights, 107 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: that they're the nature of a number of the comments. 108 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: As I say, you know, they're quite distressing ones. I 109 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: kind of won't quote them in great detail. Here's just 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: sort of one audio clip that I think we can 111 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: play of some comments that she made about where at 112 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: Purple Day, which for those are not familiar, is a 113 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: day where people are encouraged to wear the color purple 114 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: to talk about stamping out bigotry against LGBTQ community. This 115 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: is just sort of one of the instances of the 116 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: kind of comments that they made. Whilst years seven hundred 117 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: and fifty organizations participated. Would they talk about queering of spaces, 118 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: they target our children? 119 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: And that clip was only from a few months ago 120 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: on Sky News. Now let's turn to the views within 121 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: the Liberal Party as to Catherine Deeves. Why don't we 122 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: start with those who've spoken against her? Who are they 123 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 3: and what have they generally said? 124 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, of course, I mean there's been all sorts 125 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: of criticism of these comments from outside the Liberal Party, 126 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: but it is quite notable that some very prominent politicians 127 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: from the Liberal Party have called for Deeves to be disindorsed, 128 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: in other words, for the Liberal Party to dump her 129 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: as a candidate. The most prominent of those is the 130 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: New South Wales Treasurer Liberal Matt Keane, and I'll play 131 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 2: a little clip of what he said just now. 132 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: All my view is that this person should be disindorsed 133 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 4: because I do not believe she's fit for office. I 134 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 4: do not believe that she is aligned with the values 135 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 4: of the Liberal Party. I mean describing where at Purple Day, 136 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 4: a day that celebrates inclusion and diversity that focuses on 137 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 4: reducing bulling and suicide amongst young gay and lesbian kids, 138 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: she described as a grooming technique. She invoked the Nazis. 139 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: And so as you can hear in that clip sort 140 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: of fairly strong comments, he's called for Deeves to be disendorsed. 141 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: There are a number of other Liberals, including a couple 142 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: of state Liberal MPs, have made similar calls. There are 143 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: also some local Liberal Party members and quite sort of 144 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: senior and prominent members from the area around the Warringa 145 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: seat who've made similar calls. And there are reports that 146 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: a number of more moderate Liberal MPs from the Federal 147 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: Party of express concerns behind closed doors, but we haven't 148 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: heard too much publicly from them. But certainly it's quite 149 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: a fair bit of backlash from members of the same 150 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: party within an election campaign calling for her to be dumped. 151 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: And has there been any reaction from the Prime Minister 152 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: as the captain who made the captain's call. Has he 153 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: responded to the uproar both over the candidate's pick but 154 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: also of the murmurings within his own party? 155 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: He has, and Morrison spoken quite strongly in defensive Deeves 156 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: and given no indication that he's going to join what 157 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: he describes as a pylon. Here's a little clip of 158 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. 159 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 5: That in selecting Catherine, I've selected someone together with the 160 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 5: Premier in New South Wales and Christine mcgiven, who is 161 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 5: a woman raising three girls, who's always stood up for 162 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 5: women and girls in sport and I'm not going to 163 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 5: allow a pylon on her to silence her. And I 164 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 5: think there are many Australians who agree with me about that. 165 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: And Scott Morrison's not alone in that sentiment. A couple 166 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: of Liberal senators, Jane Hume and Claire Chandler, have made 167 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: some public comments of criticizing some of the more inappropriate 168 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 2: language that Deeves has used, which Morrison's done as well, 169 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: but suggesting that they think that her advocacy for women 170 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 2: and women's sport is admirable and I guess defending her 171 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: in that sense. And she's also been defended by two 172 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: former Liberal Prime ministers. Tony Abbott, who of course used 173 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: to hold the seat and John Howard have both come 174 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: to her defense. So it's been quite a disagreement between 175 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: different members of the Liberal Party and public over the 176 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: last few days over what should happen here. 177 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: And tom Can Catherine Deeves be dumped at this late stage, It's. 178 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 2: A tricky question. So in a sense, you know, anyone 179 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 2: can nominate to run for election, and so there's nothing 180 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: to stop her from running as a candidate. What the 181 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: Liberal Party can do is disindorse her nomination and they 182 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: can do this basically at any time between now and 183 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: the election and say although this person was nominated to 184 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: run with the Liberal Party, we no longer endorse them 185 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: and their name appears on the ballot essentially with that 186 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: caveat and disindorsed by the Liberal Party. That's happened before 187 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: quite a bit. But as far as actually replacing her, 188 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: time is of the essence. So the twenty first, which 189 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: is Thursday tomorrow, is the last date for nominations for 190 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: candidates to the election. So essentially, you know, unless the 191 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: government were to do something on this over the course 192 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: of today, which the Prime Minister's given no indication that 193 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: he will, then they won't be able to replace her 194 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: with another Liberal candidate for a Ringer if they wanted 195 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: to do that. 196 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: And I think every time I have you on the 197 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: pod Tom up until the election, I'm always can to 198 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 3: hear your general take on where we are in the 199 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: race and who's leading. I know that's a bit of 200 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: a simplistic way to look at things, but what's your 201 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: take on where we stand now nine days into a campaign? 202 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: Well maybe i'll start Sam with how I think this 203 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: will affect the results. So firstly, there's a seat of 204 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: Warringa itself, and Warringa's one of a number of seats 205 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: in Sydney and there are a few similar ones in 206 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: Melbourne and other cities that are traditionally strong for the 207 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: Liberal Party but tend to have a combination of socially 208 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: progressive views but align with the Liberal Party on economic issues. 209 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: So they're sort of wealthy, affluent suburbs where people tend 210 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: to have socially progressive views. I don't think that these 211 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: views will necessarily go down very well in the seat 212 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: of Warringa. There are a couple of other seats that 213 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: are really in play for the Government to potentially lose 214 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: to sort of high profile independence who are running on 215 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: kind of climate change and other socially progressive issues, particularly 216 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: the seats of Wentworth, North Sydney and mckella, all in 217 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: kind of affluent areas of Sydney. They're all held by 218 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: the Liberal Party and they're all under challenge I think 219 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: there and also potentially in the Melbourne seats of Couyong 220 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: and Goldstein against similar sort of affluent areas of Melbourne, 221 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: these sorts of comments really won't go down very well. 222 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: And you know where there are these kind of independent challenges, 223 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: I think those independent challenges might get a little bit 224 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 2: of a boost from this. As for whether this particular 225 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: issue will matter very much broader than that, I'm less sure, 226 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: and I note that both the Labor Party and Zali 227 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: Stiegel have suggested that, you know, one of the reasons 228 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: Scott Morrison picked this candidate was because there might be 229 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: people in other kind of out of suburban electorates who 230 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: would support her views on the transgender community, and that 231 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: that might be one reason that Morrison wanted this to 232 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: be discussed. Of course, Morrison's not said anything to that effect, 233 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: but you know, I think it's fair to say outside 234 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: some of those electorates it may not necessarily be a 235 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: significant issue. And I think that this is where I'm conscious. 236 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: I've already listed about seven or eight different seats in 237 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: this election. It's a really complicated one and it's really 238 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: hard to kind of go from the big national picture, 239 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: big debates like this one that we're talking about, and 240 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: figure out what's happening on a seat by seat level 241 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: because there are so many different stories across the country. 242 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: I could spend ages talking about this, but you know, 243 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: you go over to Newcastle where people are talking about 244 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: coal jobs, you go over to the north of Queensland 245 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: where they're talking about different issues altogether. There are seats 246 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: in play in Tasmania and in Perth, and you know, 247 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,119 Speaker 2: in kind of the outer suburbs of Melbourne, in country Victoria, 248 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: in the northern rivers where there have been floods. Like 249 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: I'm just rattling off all the different parts of the 250 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: country now, there are so many different kind of localized 251 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 2: issues where the campaign will play out in a very 252 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: different way, and any one of these seats changing hands 253 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: could affect the outcome of the election. So I know, again, 254 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: I think I copped out last week, Sam, and that's 255 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: a bit of a cop out this week, but it 256 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: really is. I guess maybe my message is it's important 257 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: to kind of yes, follow these big national issues in 258 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: the campaign that we'll be talking about, but remember that 259 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: government will be decided in one hundred and fifty one 260 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 2: small contests and they're very varied and very unpredictable. 261 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: Tom Crowley with the Daily Os Expert Analysis still shoying 262 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: away from actually giving us a straight own so like 263 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: a good politician should. But it's a hard question to answer, 264 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 3: and as he highlighted in that last response, it's an 265 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: incredibly complex race ahead of us. To guide you through 266 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: the complexities, we are there for you every step of 267 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: the way. On Instagram at the Daily Oz as well 268 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: as our other podcast, No Silly Questions. There are no 269 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 3: silly questions in response to this upcoming election, and we're 270 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: there to answer all of them. That's all we've got 271 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: time for today, Happy hump Day, and we'll speak to 272 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: you tomorrow