WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - The MOST controversial proposal of all time 	💍

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<v Speaker 1>Life on Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose

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<v Speaker 1>lands were never seated. We pay our respects to their

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<v Speaker 1>elders past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on de rug Wallamuta Land. Hi guys, and welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to another episode of Life on Cut. I'm Laura,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Brittany, and this is ask gun Cart where we

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<v Speaker 2>answer or your deep you're dark and your dirty questions.

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<v Speaker 1>We both this morning have sounded better. We have been

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<v Speaker 1>having like an asthmaic coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>How cute is it that we all have asthma still

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<v Speaker 2>as like full grown adults.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's asthma. I don't think I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>had asthma. But I've had this thing in my throat

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<v Speaker 1>for like ten days and I can't It's seamen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, stuck, stuck for dear life, dripping down still, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what happens. No, that is not what it is. But

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<v Speaker 2>I can't clean. I'm not sorry. No, don't be sorry

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I'm great, airways open. Apologize to do a

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<v Speaker 2>salt water flush. You'll be fine. I've done everything. I've gurgled.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just dreamed like I've better than gargled. I've done

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<v Speaker 1>the salt, I've done the lemon.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it is. It's called being sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if I've been really jet lagged right the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of days. But I think I'm moving past

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<v Speaker 1>jet lag having insomnia like I cannot sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think you've just moved past jet lag and

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<v Speaker 2>you're moved into being old. And that's what happens when

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<v Speaker 2>we get our late thirties. I thought more no, less broken. Sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>not as good, not as thorough.

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<v Speaker 1>Grandparents sleep all the time, like they nap all day,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have to get out like five times a

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<v Speaker 1>night just to pee.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what? Speaking of speaking of sleeping, do

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<v Speaker 2>you know why I am tired all the time? Because

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<v Speaker 2>my three year old Molly gets into bed with us

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<v Speaker 2>every night, right like she still does it. She's been

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<v Speaker 2>doing it since she was like one and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>She'll just climb out of her bed to come, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like maybe two in the morning. She climbs into bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's super daddy orientated, so she always wants to

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<v Speaker 2>cuddle dad and kick me in the tit And that

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<v Speaker 2>happens about right, Yeah, over and over and over. But

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<v Speaker 2>now she started doing this new thing. So not only

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<v Speaker 2>does she want to cuddle down and be like affectionate

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<v Speaker 2>towards him at night time and get like you like

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<v Speaker 2>be right in the spoon with him and kick me

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<v Speaker 2>in the tit, she'll come around to my side of

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<v Speaker 2>the bed and instead of like just climbing in being

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<v Speaker 2>like a normal child, she just stands there like a

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<v Speaker 2>tombstone until I wake up screaming, because like she'll just

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<v Speaker 2>like touch me a little bit or stroke my cheek

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<v Speaker 2>or like play with my hair, and it until caress

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<v Speaker 2>to wake you up. And then there's just this figure

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<v Speaker 2>in the dark standing there ominously over me, staring down

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<v Speaker 2>at me like Chucky the grudge or something I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like other Mumsey, No, she's awake, cause she's fucking petrifying. No,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>She could be asleep because I used to do that

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<v Speaker 1>and I was asleep. That's quite a sleepwalking thing. You

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<v Speaker 1>look awake, you can talk, but you're sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>She's awake and she's standing there with a knife trying

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<v Speaker 2>to terrorize me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not but she could be sleepwalking because I used

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<v Speaker 1>to do that all the time. I caught mom and

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<v Speaker 1>dad having sex on the lounge once when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a child. I don't remember it, but they've told me because.

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<v Speaker 2>I stood there.

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<v Speaker 1>I walked in and stood there looking at them, and

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<v Speaker 1>they just stopped and they were like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been sprung. This is gonna cost us so much

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<v Speaker 1>in therapy for the next twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>And I apparently just toook at my eyes up and staring.

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<v Speaker 1>At them, and then they were like, sweetie, is everything okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I said to them, if Mitch kills me,

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<v Speaker 1>can I kill him back? Mitch is my brother. And

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<v Speaker 1>then they realized that I must have been asleep. They're like,

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<v Speaker 1>why would your brother kill you? And I just said,

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<v Speaker 1>if he kills me, can I kill him back?

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<v Speaker 2>And they were like sure, And I just went back

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<v Speaker 2>to bed. Never remembered it, but I look away. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know what that actually is called? That's a repressed memory.

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<v Speaker 2>That's trauma. If you go and have my brother tried

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<v Speaker 2>to kill me, no, that you watched your parents having

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<v Speaker 2>sex and then your brain was like can't commute. If

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<v Speaker 2>you went and had hypnotherapy, that's the stuff that would

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<v Speaker 2>come out. They would be like, oh, remember that time

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<v Speaker 2>you saw your parents doing dogging on the couch. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what that is. No, I wasn't doggy. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was missionary. No, I think mum was on top dad.

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<v Speaker 2>But that no one needs to know that, right, that's good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the producer Geche doesn't need that. Everyone needs that image.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Could be on my own thinking or not thinking, but

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<v Speaker 1>knowing my parents have sex does not bother me.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, neither.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I know a lot of people are like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, I couldn't think of anything worse. Knowing my

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<v Speaker 1>parents have sex makes me happy because I'm like, great,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been married forty five years.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm stoked they're still happy. You are probably alone with this,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, it does bother me. Walking in on

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<v Speaker 2>my mum in a sixty niner that's what does bother me.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is still sid into my brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Which actually explains a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>He was on top and he was on the bottom. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we know how everything that was us to the doorway.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was about ten, and I still really

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<v Speaker 2>every so often when I'm in the depths of my trauma,

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<v Speaker 2>that image recalls to my brain. I saw her came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Why images don't come to mind, which means I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>post from anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>We do not need to talk about our parents having

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<v Speaker 2>speaks anymore. This is fine, Sorry, mum. She never listens

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<v Speaker 2>to the podcast Haws. She ever listened? No, she doesn't anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I said a few things early on and

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, not for me.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll say hi to Big Tony because my dad listens

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<v Speaker 1>to every episode.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to add, and I hope you're still

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<v Speaker 2>getting written into the sunset there. Don't get it dead,

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<v Speaker 2>get it okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, speaking of love, speaking of being happily married, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to say that most not all, but most women

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<v Speaker 3>at some point, from when they're a young girl to

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<v Speaker 3>a teenager to the early twenties to whenever.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point, I feel like women dream of the

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<v Speaker 1>day they'll get married. They imagine it, the proposal, who

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be, what it's going to look like.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I thought about it probably once, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's been thirty five years, so I've let it go,

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<v Speaker 1>so like not go think about anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it happened, stoked.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's one of those things that I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were the same lord. But everyone thinks about

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<v Speaker 1>their proposal. Everyone thinks about like whether or not you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get married or not. There's been a point

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<v Speaker 1>in your childhood where you've thought about it, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>brought up around this very you know, traditional idea that

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<v Speaker 1>you get a white dress, you get married, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>all lovely and beautiful, and your whole family's there, piket fans, yea,

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<v Speaker 1>four kids, You talk about it, whether here someone I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's different types of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people like really really think about it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>some people like that might happen. Probably never.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh people have I know friends that have whole what

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<v Speaker 1>to call that skin board?

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<v Speaker 2>See, I don't even know that pinboard and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>even engaged yet. I've never had a pinterest.

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<v Speaker 1>People that have pinterests their entire life, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got kids names, they've got their wedding dress and

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<v Speaker 1>their venues, and they haven't even had a boyfriend. Fine,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine. Sure we're not gonna yuck eat someone's crazy young.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good to have goals, yeah, drink, it's good to manifest. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the only time I thought about it was when I

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<v Speaker 1>almost got married to the sociopath because he was marrying

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<v Speaker 1>someone else. I have not thought about it again, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like that just sort of took away the specialness. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're not the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to tell you about this kidnapping. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've heard about it, Laura, but no,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's heard about it. Yeah, everyone who's looked at the

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<v Speaker 2>news the last couple of days. It's ae that haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a man that's gone above and beyond for the

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote ultimate proposal. He's actually a Sydney man. He's Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>Adam ritsk Is. His name. Doesn't surprise me, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>That's from Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's such an Australian man thing to do. He

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<v Speaker 1>went on holiday with his lovely partner to Lebanon. He

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<v Speaker 1>decided to surprise her there with a proposal. But what

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<v Speaker 1>he did, for some unknown reason, he thought it would

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<v Speaker 1>be a good idea to stage a carjacking in Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're in the car and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>the car gets carjacked, she gets taken out, she gets blindfolded,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a knife, there's these men yelling that she's been kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 1>She is petrified. This is all on footage, petrified. They're

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<v Speaker 1>driving for a long time. She doesn't know where they're

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<v Speaker 1>going because she can't see. She can't or she can

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<v Speaker 1>hear his men bumpy dirt road. They finally pull up

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<v Speaker 1>to a destination and it's rocky gravel and they're pushing

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<v Speaker 1>her along the road. She's literally fearing for her life.

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<v Speaker 1>This is I don't know how long this has gone

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<v Speaker 1>on for, but it's it's not quick.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a problem. I think she has been fucking kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman thinks she's about to die, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>blame her. I would feel the same. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>watched the video, I was like, she's gonna die, Like

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<v Speaker 1>this is a proper kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 2>So they walk her down this gravel road.

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<v Speaker 1>When she thinks her life is over, they rip her

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<v Speaker 1>blindfold off, and instead of there being a kidnapper that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be ahead her or something, there is her partner

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<v Speaker 1>on one knee.

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<v Speaker 2>With a proposal.

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<v Speaker 1>He's staged the whole kidnapping and was like, psych, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna die.

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<v Speaker 2>It's me and I want to marry you. I am

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<v Speaker 2>laughing at this. And the reason why I'm laughing at

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<v Speaker 2>this is not because it's funny. It's very serious. It's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely outrageous. I have a lot of feelings about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure I ran in a little bit. The

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I'm laughing is because I knew dating in

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney was fucked. I knew that it was hard to

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<v Speaker 2>find a good man, but I didn't think it was

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<v Speaker 2>this hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what makes it worse? It gets worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely you think, all right, this has got to be

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's in Lebanon. He's had a last minute, spontaneous

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<v Speaker 1>idea like this could be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just quickly organize this in ten minutes. This

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<v Speaker 2>was like you didn't think it through. Like it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things that you you think it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea and you do it on a whim

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're like.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, I youel like I wish I sat on that

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<v Speaker 1>and thought about it. Yeah, three months he planned this.

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<v Speaker 1>He also planned it with his sister. So this has

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<v Speaker 1>gone through multiple people and a large amount of time

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<v Speaker 1>has gone by. There's been a lot of times that

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<v Speaker 1>this could have been shut down, but they thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was a brilliant idea. And you know what, the even

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<v Speaker 1>crazier part is she said yes, Yeah, but to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>yes to the kidnap.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fair, I've been in relationships where I so

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<v Speaker 2>wanted them to propose to me. Is I probably would

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<v Speaker 2>have said yes too in the past. Not anymore. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying, like, deeply flawed.

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<v Speaker 2>So stop doing fucking proposals for Instagram? Oh what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing that for? Like? Are you doing that for

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<v Speaker 2>clicks on TikTok? Are you doing that for people to

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<v Speaker 2>like get a viral download? You haven't thought, hmm, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the way to really mark this engagement? What's the best

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<v Speaker 2>way that's going to be super special that we can

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<v Speaker 2>look back on and used to come, Ah, I will

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<v Speaker 2>kidnap her and make her petrified for her life trauma bond. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't believe it. And I'm all for pranks.

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<v Speaker 1>And he came out and said, you know, we like

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<v Speaker 1>to prank each other. We often prank each other. Hide

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<v Speaker 1>behind the kitchen door and jump out and scan them.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't kidnap them with a knife and three strange men.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe she said yes because she was so relieved that

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<v Speaker 2>it was him at the end, like she genuinely thought

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<v Speaker 2>she was so close to a near death experience that

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<v Speaker 2>the only reasonable thing to come out of her mouth

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, thank god, it's you. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he interpreted that as a ye, yes. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think she was probably like, yes, I'm not being kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like yes, yes, yes, no, okay. But the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's even wilder is that. So since this has happened,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously it's garnered a massive amount of views cross social media,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why everyone's talking about it, which is what

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<v Speaker 2>makes me think that this is the whole reason why

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<v Speaker 2>it was done in the first place. But she's gone

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<v Speaker 2>on to say so her name is Vanessa. She's gone

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<v Speaker 2>on to upload photos from her engagement, and she says

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<v Speaker 2>it was a dream come true. It was a dream

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<v Speaker 2>come true, which also makes me think maybe they're just

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<v Speaker 2>into some fucking weird kinks. Nah, maybe she likes it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe she's really into BDSM like ming Pata took it

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<v Speaker 2>one step further.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think she's convinced herself that it was the

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<v Speaker 1>best day of a line.

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<v Speaker 2>Adam's sister also said Adam always joked that he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to propose to Vanessa in a way to scare her,

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<v Speaker 2>and my family joined in and made it possible when

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<v Speaker 2>she was visiting family in Lebanon. They always play pranks

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<v Speaker 2>on each other, so it's just their relationship. There's a limit.

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<v Speaker 2>There is still a limit.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a line, and you crossed it big time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what would you do? I would say no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say no, and I would It's hard to know

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<v Speaker 1>because you're not in it, but I reckon I would

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<v Speaker 1>break up with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd probably get back together with him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'd be like, if you think this is normal, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think this is how I wanted this to

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<v Speaker 1>go down After ten years, they've been together for ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>and he still thought this was.

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<v Speaker 2>A good idea. I genuinely look back on my past

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<v Speaker 2>relationships and think, there have been times in my life

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<v Speaker 2>where I so desperately wanted to be married. It was terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>bad relationships, trauma, toxic, so you just want I reckon

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<v Speaker 2>that if someone had done it, I would have been like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>at least they proposed, Like, at least I'm now getting married.

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<v Speaker 2>Shows he loves me. It means he actually loves me.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have convinced myself that that was like a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing. I actually feel like I'm the opposite. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was pretty crazy in my twenties. I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ben, if you listening to this, do not take

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<v Speaker 1>me to Levenon, do not kidnap me, and do not

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<v Speaker 1>pretend that my life is over.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he was ever gonna do that. I

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<v Speaker 2>get a really strong feeling that you've made that pretty clear. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>before we get into answering your questions, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>vibe today. I don't know if it's a hot take,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna tell you anyway because I'm fucking loving them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I find it really hard to get bike shorts.

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds dumb, but bear with me. My legs look

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<v Speaker 2>like you know when you buy two sausages and they're

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<v Speaker 2>still connected. That's what bike shorts do to my legs.

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<v Speaker 2>They just cut me in the middle and sucking around

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<v Speaker 2>a ring, and then my legs like billow out below

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of it. That is not accurate. It's because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thin, but I'm not toned. There's no tone to

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<v Speaker 2>these legs. They're just soft, and so bike shorts cut

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<v Speaker 2>in in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>See what you're saying is you found some non sausage

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<v Speaker 1>bike pants.

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<v Speaker 2>You've only seen me in a pair of bike shorts

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't actually wear exercising, like soft bike shorts

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<v Speaker 2>from I actually think i've seen your bike pants once

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<v Speaker 2>in life. You know, you've seen in those cream ones

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<v Speaker 2>that are from Zuloff ribbed ones, which you can't exercise

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<v Speaker 2>in them because your bum falls out the back.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't call them bike pants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're fashion okay, but then yeah, I bought bike

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<v Speaker 2>shorts and they're freaking great. And if you're someone who

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<v Speaker 2>feels like a sausage when you put them on. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean, I don't know between the podcast, don't

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<v Speaker 2>name drop. No, it's country road Country road bike shorts there, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why it's my vibe because I walked in

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<v Speaker 2>there it was unsuspecting I saw them on the shelf.

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<v Speaker 2>It was actually I was at the airport and I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to something where I needed to wear active

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<v Speaker 2>where and I'd forgot to pack it, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>would have been Rockhampton. No, it was something that was

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<v Speaker 2>being shot and I was like, okay, I'll get them,

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<v Speaker 2>it's jeopardy. And then I put them on and they

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<v Speaker 2>were amazing, seamless, straight down the thigh.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they actual exercise bike pants?

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<v Speaker 2>I did the exercise in them, and I think it

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<v Speaker 2>went well. I love that for you. Yeah, so who

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<v Speaker 2>would have thought country road bike shorts for exercise where

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<v Speaker 2>if you are somebody who finds the bike shorts always

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<v Speaker 2>cut you in the middle of the thigh, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>always get a cameltoe. Yeah, No, No, camelto like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a bit reinforced. You need the ones that have

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of not that it's battered in the middle,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just a bit thicker in the middle. For

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who actually has a LaBier.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I also think when we're talking about camelto's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a natural part, there's nothing wrong with it. But

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<v Speaker 1>some people are more prone to them than others.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's literally women with labiers. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the reason I get them is because I

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<v Speaker 1>like high waist and I have quite a long torso,

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<v Speaker 1>so for bike pants to get to my high waist,

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<v Speaker 1>they just jack up a bit, do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's why I just think some of

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<v Speaker 2>us have medium muffs, and it's fine, that's my problem.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, lots of different musks, but mine's definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>We love to call it that someone's gonna get angry.

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<v Speaker 2>So someone's going to write to us right now and

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<v Speaker 2>say it's evolva I have we know.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't said mums since I was about twelve, so okay, fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's not call it that then.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, what's your vibe?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have one, but I have a big unsubscribe.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes she is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is probably the biggest unsubscribed that there is, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can actually do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh instead of recommending something you're angry this week, I

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<v Speaker 2>really want it like.

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<v Speaker 1>An a controversial but I want to unsubscribe from Coachella.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not want to see one more thing of Cochella.

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<v Speaker 1>Not because I'm jealous, not because I have fomo, because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's gotten to the point where it's

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<v Speaker 1>changed and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is so performative.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people coming out, They are all these stories now,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's just clogging my feet and I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to look at anymore. But there are people coming out

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<v Speaker 1>and saying that loads of people fake going to Coachella.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't go, and you can tell when they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the wristbands. They do the whole thing. They get

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<v Speaker 1>dressed up, they pretend they're there, they photoshop them in,

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<v Speaker 1>they do all this stuff and they're not even there.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, are they actually in the country or they're just

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<v Speaker 2>standing in front of a green screen at Crichello I

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<v Speaker 2>think a to be but no.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people go, but they don't go in

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<v Speaker 1>the gates, and other people just take photos dressed up,

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<v Speaker 1>pretending they're somewhere with like a plain background.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the same as fashion week, fashion Week in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>Mercedes Fashion Week, whatever it's called. Now. You go there

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<v Speaker 2>and there's influencers out the front taking photos, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to the shows. They're just standing at carriage works.

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<v Speaker 2>Coachella is a giant carriage works. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I love people having fun fun, But for me, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't sure. It's just my ANSWER's crime this week. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to just like I wish I could type in

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<v Speaker 1>the hashtag Coachella and then mute it for this week.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all. I'm just I feel the grumpy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just probably old and grumpy because I'm not sleeping.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the same when it's Burning Man. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>the same when it's Coachella. I feel the same when

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<v Speaker 2>it's Fashion Week. Anything that kind of like clogs your

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<v Speaker 2>feet and takes it by storm. And I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I get the people go to Burning Man and they

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<v Speaker 2>have life altering experiences because they took mushrooms for a

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<v Speaker 2>week and they feel like they're enlightened and they look amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>These festivals look amazing. They do, they do. But I

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<v Speaker 2>also think a lot of these things now half it's

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<v Speaker 2>for the experience and half of it's for Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, another girl put up I just saw this this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and influencer put up how ludicrously expensive food and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is there? And she put up a photo of what

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<v Speaker 1>she bought a cost her seventy bucks sixty eight dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like scraps. It looks like you picked

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<v Speaker 1>something up off the ground that someone else has eaten.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what, maybe this is me. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is, do you know I? Because if you went

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<v Speaker 2>to Coachella, you'd be posting the shit out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's you.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day I'll tick it off maybe it's not

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<v Speaker 1>even on my bucket list, but maybe I was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to go last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that? And then you would have been

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<v Speaker 2>someone you hate?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember a guy asked me on a date from here

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<v Speaker 1>to Coachella, who's gonna fly me on a prep plane?

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't you go?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, I don't even usually do dinner on a

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<v Speaker 1>first date, so flying to Coachella was pretty big.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get into answering these questions. Question number one, Now, Britain,

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<v Speaker 2>I have different feelings about this. My boyfriend and I

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<v Speaker 2>have been together for three years. Three years. Keep that

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<v Speaker 2>in mind, he's thirty six months. Is it? That was good?

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<v Speaker 2>That was good? Mass real fidding more? Bumpum did not

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<v Speaker 2>do masks or he's got a calculator? Actually, Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to confirm. I stopped maths when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>year ten. I was like, I'm never going to use

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<v Speaker 2>this shit and I never had three years? Is well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have to do you know how I'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>count that up. I'd have to go ten, ten, ten,

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<v Speaker 2>and then six. You wouldn't go. That's how I would

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<v Speaker 2>count it. I wouldn't go twelve, twenty four, thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>no that like my brain's having an aneurysm. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to go. I have to break it down ten ten,

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<v Speaker 2>ten six. I still count sit on my hands. That's

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<v Speaker 2>going to make some people feel better about themselves. Counting

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<v Speaker 2>is not It's not something that I excel at, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with it all right here. It is. My

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend and I have been together for thirty six months.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the best thing that's ever had than to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know one day we will be married. However,

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<v Speaker 2>I often think about the time I slept with his

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<v Speaker 2>younger brother one drunken night dum, only two weeks before

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<v Speaker 2>my boyfriend and I started seeing each other. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if my boyfriend knows that this even happened. I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly haven't told him, and I'm unsure if his younger

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<v Speaker 2>brother has either. It was a one night thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>the brother and I have never spoken about it since.

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<v Speaker 2>We have also remained really great friends, and I now

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<v Speaker 2>feel I am a part of their family. My question

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<v Speaker 2>is do I tell my boyfriend about the one time

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<v Speaker 2>I fucked his brother. I'm not sure how he would

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<v Speaker 2>react if he was to find out later down the track,

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<v Speaker 2>but given he may already know is the fact neither

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<v Speaker 2>of us have ever brought it up. Weird, don't It's

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<v Speaker 2>been three years, it's been thirty six months. Stop stop

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<v Speaker 2>walking you are You are ruminating in your thoughts. Some

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<v Speaker 2>things just need to go to the grave. You left

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<v Speaker 2>it pove loong and he does not need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Disagree, No, disagree in the fact of I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he needs to know now. But what I'm feeling from

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<v Speaker 1>this is you're obviously thinking about this a lot like

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<v Speaker 1>this is on your mind. It's been thirty six months,

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<v Speaker 1>and you are constantly worried about if he knows, which

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<v Speaker 1>is fair. I would think that too every day. If

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<v Speaker 1>I was in your situation, I would be like, is

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<v Speaker 1>today the day? Did he find out yesterday? If you've

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<v Speaker 1>had a fight and he's off you for something you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, you're like, oh my god, as his brother

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<v Speaker 1>said something, has someone else said something, has a third

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<v Speaker 1>party said something. There is a chance that this will

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<v Speaker 1>come out there one hundred percent is a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think if it ever happens, you like play

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth, I don't even know that's that. Don't If

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<v Speaker 2>you plead it, you plead it, or you say you

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<v Speaker 2>have amnesia, you don't remember. Just to a Harrison from APS,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. I must played the fifth Yeah, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember so long ago. Speak about that, or

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<v Speaker 2>if it passes the ten in your mark, you can

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<v Speaker 2>pretend it's like your tax and just say you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>keep the receipts. I don't remember. No, because you can

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<v Speaker 2>go to prison for that. Noe. No, you can't up

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<v Speaker 2>ten years gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be okay, here we go. This is serious, is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>This is her life on the light.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what I would do in this situation the

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<v Speaker 1>sensible thing to do, because I'm gonna say that if

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<v Speaker 1>your partner finds out about it, you've gotta know about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna bring it up like you're gonna have a combo.

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<v Speaker 1>What I would do is probably go and speak to

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<v Speaker 1>the brother. Only if you're that concerned and you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you can't sleep another wink and you have anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>every day, because that's a horrible feeling, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>is today the day something's going to happen. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>horrible feeling. I'd speak to the brother. Not ideal, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would be like, yo, bro in law, do you

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<v Speaker 1>plan on ever talking to your brother about this, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>just say your feelings. I would just say, like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really anxious about it. You didn't do anything wrong, you

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<v Speaker 1>slept with h before you with the brother. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is a level now of you've kept a pretty big

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<v Speaker 1>secret for thirty six months.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was with my partner for.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty six months and he then had said, oh I

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<v Speaker 1>had found out, Like, you know, I've got to clear

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<v Speaker 1>the air. I slept with sheriff and two weeks before

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<v Speaker 1>I was with you, and everyone knew that except me

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<v Speaker 1>for those six months. I don't want to say i'd

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<v Speaker 1>break up because I don't know if that's the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit to lie and betrayal from a your family member

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<v Speaker 1>and be your partner is pretty pretty humongous.

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<v Speaker 2>What if the brother doesn't remember either, Hember? What if

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't remember? What if she then goes, hey, remember

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<v Speaker 2>that time we had sex and he's like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>it was you, And then he tells the brother. What

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<v Speaker 2>if that happens are.

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<v Speaker 1>He remembers, I think if it would have been the

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<v Speaker 1>best sex of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously, my only worry is if nobody's talking about it,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's been three years and you start to bring

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<v Speaker 2>up things from the past and having conversations with the

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<v Speaker 2>brother or whatever, start talking about it. It could bring

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<v Speaker 2>it to the surface, and it could make it front

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<v Speaker 2>of mine, and it could make the brother want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it. Maybe they go out, they have a

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<v Speaker 2>few beers, and then he decides to share that information.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it's very deceptive to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>brother and say, hey, are you going to tell him

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<v Speaker 2>or not get that information and then be like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>our secret to have. I think that's even worse because

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<v Speaker 2>then you're in on a lie. You're in on a

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<v Speaker 2>secret that you have already in on a line but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not been spoken about that you're conspiring with the

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<v Speaker 2>brother to then purposely keep a lie. My thought is,

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<v Speaker 2>if it comes up down the track because the brother

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<v Speaker 2>does decide to talk about it, you can at least

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. You can say I have never ever ever

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<v Speaker 2>spoken to your brother about it since it happened. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry I didn't bring it up. There was never a

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<v Speaker 2>good time to bring up the conversation of I fucked

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<v Speaker 2>your brother before we were together, and once I fell

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<v Speaker 2>in love with you, I was so frightened that you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't want to be with me because of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is worse to go and speak to the brother,

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<v Speaker 2>to conspire on a lie and to then not tell

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<v Speaker 2>your partner than what it is to continue just keeping

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<v Speaker 2>it the way it is currently. That is more deceptive

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<v Speaker 2>and that is eviler. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're missing here is the fact that she's extremely uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>She thinks she needs to get over it or talk

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<v Speaker 1>to if she's got anxiety. Yeah, there you go, there's

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<v Speaker 1>your talks to boyfriend. She's got anxiety and she's worried

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So you can't just live a life like

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<v Speaker 1>that like you. She has to make a decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Go speak to a therapist about it, don't go and

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<v Speaker 2>speak to the brother. This is my honest opinion. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you should speak to your current boyfriend about

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<v Speaker 2>it since you've been together for three years. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to create a lot of problems, which really

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes the past can just be in the past, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if there isn't an overlap. But I just don't think

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to the brother about it is the right thing

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<v Speaker 2>to do to your current partner. So if you have

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety about it, I'll go and book a consultation with

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<v Speaker 2>a therapist to talk through it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not going to help the anxiety because the

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety is her wondering if it's going to come up,

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<v Speaker 1>and if he already knows, that's the question, is it

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<v Speaker 1>going to come up? Because the thing that I think

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<v Speaker 1>about is there is not a guy. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>what anyone says. There is not a guy in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of time that will have sex with someone and

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<v Speaker 1>not tell someone else someone, No one ever. No guy

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<v Speaker 1>takes sex to the grave ever, especially when it's a

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<v Speaker 1>secret as big as your brother's girlfriend. Sorry guys, he's

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<v Speaker 1>told someone someone knows about that, then that's someone that

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<v Speaker 1>knows about it.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't keep that sort of secret. This is big shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So what if one time in the future they have

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation and it slips out. I think that's what

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<v Speaker 1>the anxiety is, and that's where my anxiety would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you should speak to the boyfriend right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's not what I'm saying, But if you

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<v Speaker 1>are that concerned in this situation, there's not really any

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe there's any good answer, Like there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>That is easy for sure, you left it too long.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're thirty, you're ten plus ten perst ten plus six.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't personally like the advice of going and

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to the brother and kind of getting from him

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<v Speaker 2>and sussing that out, because even as you say, Britt,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe someone else knows. Maybe that information is never going

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<v Speaker 2>to come from the brother, Maybe it's going to come

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<v Speaker 2>from the brother's friend. I worry that doing that creates

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<v Speaker 2>even more of a triangulation in the relationship. It creates

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<v Speaker 2>a purposeful secret. It's not just a secret that has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree where you've all ignored the elephant in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>It creates real, purposeful deceit against your current partner, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>What you could do is just played this episode in

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<v Speaker 1>the background and let him hear it, like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>what would you do?

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<v Speaker 2>And then be like, imagine if I had slept with

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<v Speaker 2>your brother, what do you think would be the best outcome?

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<v Speaker 2>What would you do in the situation? And then see

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<v Speaker 2>what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Clear speaking, if this were us and that was Bobby.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really hard. On the look, there isn't a clear

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<v Speaker 2>cut answer, because if we were going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>moral take the moral high ground. The clear cut answer

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<v Speaker 2>would be to sit down have a conversation with your

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<v Speaker 2>boyrid We don't take the high ground, but we're also

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<v Speaker 2>realistic that sometimes there are things that happen in relationships

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>prior to relationships that information. Like if your boyfriend receives

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 2>that information now and he's not being privy to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you decide to make a great, big, grand deal

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<v Speaker 2>about it and sit him down and talk about it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be something that he has to overcome.

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<v Speaker 2>It could fundamentally affect your relationship. Do you want that?

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<v Speaker 1>I do agree though, that if the time comes, for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, whether you decide to speak to your brother,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it comes out at any stage, play fifth.

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Plead, the fifth stop playing, play the fifth plead.

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<v Speaker 1>It do what Laura said, which was just be really

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<v Speaker 1>honest and say like it happened before I met you,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I just felty hard and there was no

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<v Speaker 1>coming back and I didn't want to lose you, and

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<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, thirty six months in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>like just explain it like that and beg.

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<v Speaker 2>It meant nothing. It meant nothing, and you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so hard because sometimes we do things in our

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<v Speaker 2>past that affect what we want in the future without

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 2>doing anything wrong, you know, like without ever stepping a

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<v Speaker 2>foot out of place. You having sex with the brother

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks before is just hugely unfortunate timing and you

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>have done absolutely nothing wrong. So I just don't think

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 2>you need to wear the level of anxiety or where

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<v Speaker 2>the level of stress, or feel as though you're living

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 2>in this huge amount of deceit because you're not. I

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 2>understand he would want to know. I understand like I

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 2>would want to know if Matt had had sex with

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 2>my sister, I'd feel like that was a betrayal. But

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:57.400
<v Speaker 2>the thing is is like the relationship, I don't know. Fuck,

0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>it's so put yourself in that per relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt came out now and said I wouldn't want to

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>know now, but I not want to know. Yeah, okay,

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to know, but someone's told you you know,

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you feel the ultimate betrayal?

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 2>It's such a tricky one. You wouldn't be like youte,

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>guys love that for you. Do you know what? I

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>would not care as much now as what I probably

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>would have in the past, obviously, because I'm married, and

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 2>my relationship feels very secure. But if Matt was to

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 2>turn around and be like, hey, I had sex with

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>a sister X amount of time before we got together,

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't care. I would care. I would care. There

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 2>would be a part of me the cap. I'm not

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 2>going to leave my relationship for it. Well, no, it's not.

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 2>The problem's not the sex. It's not talking about who

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 2>would you be more mad at. Would be more mad

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<v Speaker 2>at your partner or your sister?

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Probably for me, I reckon, I carry yeah sister because

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>they're my best friends.

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I can understand why a partner didn't say

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 2>it in the beginning, because they're trying to impress you.

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>They want to be with you. But I would be

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>confused as to why my best friend didn't say, Hey,

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 2>that guy that you're dating, I also say with him,

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<v Speaker 2>just like the time you started dating someone and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, I also slept with him. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird that the brother was like, yo, bro, I fucked her.

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<v Speaker 2>He probably has forgotten. He probably forgot. Did not forget.

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<v Speaker 2>I've forgotten. Some people have been inside me. They've all

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that is so concerned. Okay. Question number two also

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<v Speaker 2>has two Okay, anyway. Question number two wrong with you too.

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<v Speaker 2>I have never you remember the name of every single

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 2>person you've had sex with. Every single one.

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 1>It was two weeks prior. It's not twelve years you two.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, question number two. I can't deal with

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<v Speaker 1>either of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, question.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been with my partner for six years and we

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<v Speaker 1>have a twelve month old. Today he had a serious

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<v Speaker 1>talk with me about being present and how much I

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<v Speaker 1>use my phone. He works full time and I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>primary caregiver. When he gets home, I get to have

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<v Speaker 1>my break, so I enjoyed my time going on TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>and Instagram and just scrolling.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really feeling the mum guilt? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I being a shit mum? How do I approach

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation? I mean, you're the mum here.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're not being a shit mum. I think like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's unpack this. Are you on your phone all the

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<v Speaker 2>time during the day when you're caring for your child?

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Are you using your phone constantly? Is your child constantly

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>trying to get your attention? Because at every moment when

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.479
<v Speaker 2>you're not interacting one on one with them, you're on

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<v Speaker 2>your phone. If that's the case, then yeah, absolutely you

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 2>need to look at your phone usage. And you know

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>because kids connect with us, and I know, for example

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 2>with Malea Lola, I know when I'm on my like

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>you could be playing, but really you're like half playing

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 2>and you're on your phone. Kids know that you're not

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 2>plugged into them. They know that you're not engaging with them,

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 2>and they act out when you're doing that. When you're

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<v Speaker 2>like half paying them attention but you're obviously more distracted

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and more interested in your phone, they feel a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of rejection. And I have definitely witnessed that in my kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm super conscious about not if I'm giving them

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>my attention, they get all of it. If I'm on

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 2>my phone, my phone gets all of it, and I

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 2>go into another room and I don't try and do

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<v Speaker 2>the two at the same time. If your partner is

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<v Speaker 2>not seeing the mum that you are during the day

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 2>when he's at work, and the only time he's seeing

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<v Speaker 2>it is when he comes home, and then you're opting

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<v Speaker 2>to be on your phone, that doesn't make you bad mum,

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>of course not. It just means that you're wanting some downtime.

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<v Speaker 2>So the solution to this, I think is really simple.

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I think the solution is, hey, honey, when you come

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<v Speaker 2>home from work, can you take the kids for forty

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes. I'm going to go for a walk. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to go for a walk, just leave the house,

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<v Speaker 2>leave the environment, and go and sit in a park

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 2>on your phone for forty five minutes. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>for that is is because as long as you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the house, as long as you're in the same room

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>as your kids, your kids are going to want your attention,

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to see that you're on your phone,

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and your partner's going to see that you're ignoring them

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 2>and you're on your phone. So this issue is being

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.479
<v Speaker 2>created by perception more than what you're actually doing. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think just take your forty five minutes of alone

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<v Speaker 2>time and go and do it outside the house. It

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter what you do, do pilates, watch TikTok for

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 2>forty five minutes. Who fucking cares, But like, really allocate

0:31:57.560 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that time out or do it once kids are in bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, but I don't think you need to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the house if you don't want it. Like, you're allowed

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to go on your phone at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if when I read this again, I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if also your husband might feel like he hasn't seen

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>you all day either, so he's just.

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Gotten home totally and then you're on the phone.

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>So I wonder if he's actually like, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>connect with you as well, like you're not even talking

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to me, you're not listening to me. Whereas because you

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>are the primary caregiver stabbing the dark here, but he

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 1>might not know just how much you're doing all day

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 1>every day with the kids, and he might not know

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<v Speaker 1>quite what that involves on a mote.

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<v Speaker 2>There's absolutely no way that he knows. That's the thing.

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>The person who's at work, So and we say this, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I say this all the time. Whoever goes to work

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 2>and doesn't have the kids has the easier day one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent of the time because being stuck at home

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<v Speaker 2>and I shouldn't say stuck, it's not stuck, but being

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 2>at home with children all day every day is unrelenting

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 2>and it is extremely exhausting work. It's rewarding. We all

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 2>know that, but like we cannot deny that it is

0:32:58.320 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 2>fucking hard to.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why I'm thinking that maybe it's a bit

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>of a b to be so he might not realize

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>how much you just need a break because he might

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>not look at it like you've been at work for

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the last ten hours, So he might be like you've

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>just been at home.

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, and he wants you. He wants to have

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>a conversation with you about your day and his day

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and connect. But that's also why I say, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's really good to have a conversation about carving out

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 2>that forty five minutes or an hour and leaving the house,

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 2>because the thing is is everybody sees screen time as

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<v Speaker 2>a really negative thing. It doesn't always have to be

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>a negative thing. Sometimes it is a great way of

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 2>just completely disassociating from what's going on around you. It's

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 2>a great way to kind of just like, Okay, that's

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>my downtime, that's my mental literally like my numbing mental meantime.

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>And it's okay to have those moments. But if your

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 2>partner is feeling like he comes into the room then

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 2>he asks you a question and you sem me ignore him,

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>or the kids are asking you things because you're doing

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 2>it around them, the easiest way to combat that is

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 2>just to go away for forty five minutes and then

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of have your cup field. But it's when

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:02.959
<v Speaker 2>you take the break and you go, I'm doing ten

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<v Speaker 2>minutes here on my phone, ten minutes here on my phone,

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes here on my phone, that it seems like

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>you're never off your phone. That's the problem. If you

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 2>do it all through the evening with little chunks, it

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 2>gives the perception that all you are is on your phone.

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 2>There's also I mean, we might be.

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<v Speaker 1>Going off piece here, but there's nothing worse than when

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 1>you're talking to someone I'll say a partner now because

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about that, but.

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Even a friend, anyone.

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 1>When you're trying to talk to someone and they're on

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 1>their phone, and if it's something like even if it's mundane,

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a problem, but if it's something quite deep and

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<v Speaker 1>serious and someone's on their phone, it's so offensive because.

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 2>You're like, are you even listening to what I'm saying.

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>So when it's a partner two you haven't seen all

0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>day and someone's trying to talk to you and you're

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>just looking down like mm hmmmmmmmm, like you're going to

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>start an argument at some point.

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing is though, is that you can't

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 2>even get into those deep conversations because when someone's on

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the phone, it's such a ball for communication and contact.

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Matt and I have a system now in our house

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 2>because for me, I work on my phone a lot.

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 2>So I am on my phone so often. Yeah, you

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.359
<v Speaker 2>both do, yeah, And the reason for that is because

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I run my emails, I run Tony May from my phone.

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 2>We do all our podcast organization and whatnot from phones.

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.800
<v Speaker 2>So like, I'm on my phone so much. And definitely

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 2>there has been a time where not so much in

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 2>terms of the kids, but in terms of Matt and

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 2>my relationship. He has felt a sense of rejection because

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 2>I'd be on my phone doing something and he would

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 2>ask me a question and I cannot multitask in that way.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Like if I'm doing something on my phone and someone's

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:30.959
<v Speaker 2>talking at me, yeah, you can't. It doesn't go into

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:34.799
<v Speaker 2>my brain. I'm responding, but I'm not actually communicating with them.

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 2>So Matt and I now have a system where if

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 2>he can see that I'm doing something on my phone,

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 2>he'll say, I need to ask you a question. Can

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 2>you let me know when I can speak to you?

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 2>And then it's a very clear, put the phone down,

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:48.319
<v Speaker 2>and we have a conversation, and then I can go

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 2>back to whatever I'm doing. But it's the trying to

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 2>multitask and you physically can't, your brain cannot do it,

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 2>and so you're giving literally ten percent of yourself to

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>your partner or to your kids whilst you're scrolling TikTok.

0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And sometimes I think, as like everyone try and

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>keep this front of mind for the next week. Sometimes

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>you'll pick your phone up when someone's talking to you.

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:11.919
<v Speaker 2>You don't even have anything to do.

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you're just you'll see the person scrolling or something

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, and you're like, you're not even urgently doing anything.

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 2>It's just a habit that you pick up your phone

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>and you're open TikTok. I would actually say that that's

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>more often than not. We are so conditioned to have

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>our phone in our hands. We're so conditioned to just

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 2>open an app when there's no other stimulus, or if

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>we've checked out of a conversation for a couple of seconds.

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>It's so second nature to just be like listen and

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.479
<v Speaker 2>scroll at the same time. And I think if you're

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>really conscious about that behavior, you start to realize just

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 2>how frequently, so many people do it. But at the

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, no, you're not being a bad mum.

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 1>You've been a normal human that has worked their us

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>off all day with their kids, and like any other

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>normal human, you want to switch your brain off.

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 2>How do we do that?

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 1>We scroll aimlessly on our phone. We do whatever we

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 1>want on our phone, So you can totally you're not

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>doing anything wrong. It's just about fitting in with others

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>around you.

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Can. I also say on this like I think sometimes

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 2>because like mum, gil, you can't escape it. You're aways

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>going to feel it about something. Right now, Someone's always

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna say something. Yeah, someone's gonna say something that triggers

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.719
<v Speaker 2>in you that a fuck. I haven't been doing the

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 2>best job I possibly can do. None of us are

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>doing perfect parenting, not a single person. My parent Dolilah

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 2>pree Keisha does too because she has a fifty percent

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 2>of the joint. Yeah. But like, guilt is such a

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 2>great motivator for changing behavior sometimes as well. So if

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 2>you are now that you have thought about it, you're

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna be so much more conscious about your phone use.

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.279
<v Speaker 2>And that doesn't mean that you can't use your phone.

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean you're not entitled to Instagram doesn't mean you're

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 2>not entitled to sit on social media because God knows

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 2>fucking mum's need the downtime more than anyone. It just

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 2>means you won't do it around your kids, and that's

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 2>great as well. All right, last question. There is a

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 2>girl that I used to be quite good friends with

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.359
<v Speaker 2>now not best friends, but we were close. Her and

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I had a falling out about a year ago. It

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 2>resulted in me blocking her on social media because of

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 2>some really nasty things I found out she'd been saying

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:01.919
<v Speaker 2>about me. I've been trying to get pregnant for about

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 2>a year and a half. Now I'm having blood tests

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm trying to work out why my partner and

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:09.399
<v Speaker 2>I can't seem to feel pregnant. Over the weekend, I

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 2>saw some mutual friends posts that this girl I used

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>to be friends with was pregnant. They were at what

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 2>looked like an early baby shower for her. I am

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.879
<v Speaker 2>fucking livid, to the point where I understand it's possibly irrational,

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 2>but I can't help the way I feel. It is

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:27.800
<v Speaker 2>the only thing that I have been able to think about.

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 2>I am so angry that this person who was horrible

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 2>to me, seems to be able to have the one

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 2>thing I want most in the world. Do you have

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>any advice on how to get over this jealousy? I

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 2>am a mess and I don't feel like I can

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<v Speaker 2>say this to any of my friends because I understand

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<v Speaker 2>how horrible it is that I am reacting this way.

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<v Speaker 2>It really sucks. It really sucks. Are you being irrational? Yes?

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Are you being irrational? No? I think there's aspects for both.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand it's not only irrational is the right word.

0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 2>The only reason I don't know if irrational is the

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>right word is because I think when women are overly

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 2>sensitive or have strong emotions, we often say irrational, but

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<v Speaker 2>you'd never say that about a man who was upset

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<v Speaker 2>about something.

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<v Speaker 1>Nah, I know what you mean. This is irrational. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're more mad because.

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<v Speaker 2>You hate her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just because one of your friends is pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's because you have this hatred of her and

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<v Speaker 1>this dislike and it sucks to even see when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in that position. It sucks to even see your friends

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<v Speaker 1>falling pregnant and you're happy for them. You're so happy

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<v Speaker 1>for them, and you are allowed to feel sad at

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>the same time. But this is hurting you way more

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>because you hate her. But that's not fair on you.

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:37.800
<v Speaker 1>So you need to try and find a middle ground

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<v Speaker 1>where you don't have to be happy for her, but

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you've got to try not to let it affect you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. You're trying to focus on you right now

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<v Speaker 1>and your fertility and falling pregnant. And from what I

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<v Speaker 1>have been told from when we've spoken to fertility specialists,

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:54.319
<v Speaker 1>stress can have the craziest effects on your body in

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of mediums, in illnesses, in fatigue, and sleeping,

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<v Speaker 1>in fertility. So I don't know how you can get

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<v Speaker 1>around this, but I think you really need to block

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<v Speaker 1>that out and put your blinders on and just focus

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>on yourself for the moment. Again, you don't need to

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.720
<v Speaker 1>be happy. You can be sad because it fucking sucks,

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 1>like you want something so bad and when you feel

0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>like you're doing everything right and it's not falling into

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<v Speaker 1>your lap and everyone else is getting what they want.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, with what you think and about trying, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not fair, like life is not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not fair. It doesn't follow a linear logical path.

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I just want to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>this thought on irrational because I actually hate the word

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 2>in this context. So irrational not logical or reasonable, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the definition of it. The feelings that you have are logical,

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.839
<v Speaker 2>I think, and are reasonable, and I think you can

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<v Speaker 2>give yourself grace to feel the way that you feel,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know it's hard enough, like you said, Britt,

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<v Speaker 2>to be happy for someone who you love, even though

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 2>you know you're gonna love their baby, even though you're

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 2>happy for their happiness, you're happy for their fertility when

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 2>you're someone who struggle with infertility. It's already hard enough

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 2>to be happy for other people alongside your own sadness,

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.879
<v Speaker 2>But being happy for somebody who you hate, who has

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 2>caused you pain. I think that that is why you

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<v Speaker 2>know when you say irrational, that is why you feel

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 2>this level of like this is so fucking unfair, And

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.479
<v Speaker 2>I think it's okay to feel that way. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe your friends won't understand it and you don't need

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 2>to talk them through it, but it doesn't make you

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<v Speaker 2>a bad person because you have those feelings. The only

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 2>thing that is the really horrible part of this is

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 2>that the way that you feel doesn't affect anybody else.

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 2>But you exactly, you are hurting yourself by feeling so hateful,

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 2>by feeling so envious, And jealousy is such a shit

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 2>emotion because it fires you so much inside, it takes over,

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 2>it takes over your mental space or your energy, and

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 2>yet everybody else around you is unaffected by it, and

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you're living within this fury and you have to live

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 2>like that. The person that you're jealous of doesn't and

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 2>they don't receive any of that, they don't understand it,

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 2>and then it's like the toxicity lives within you only

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I think in this instance, I mean, it's so amazing

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 2>that you're going you're doing all the fertility treatment stuff,

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's also really really important to go

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 2>and do all the mental health stuff that sits alongside it.

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Go and speak to a therapist, go and speak to

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.319
<v Speaker 2>a counselor speak to your family and friends about how

0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 2>fertility is affecting you, because I think that once people

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 2>around you are very aware of it, they're also more

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 2>sensitive and how they have conversations with you about it.

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I've had two miscarriages, but I've not

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 2>struggled with infertility. But I can only imagine how that

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.000
<v Speaker 2>affects everything. When the one thing that you want and

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 2>you see other people having it, I can only imagine

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>how that affects your day to day thinking.

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, one of my best friends had what they

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>call unknown infertility. So they did all the tests and

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>there was literally the doctors were like, we don't get it,

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Like everything's great, levels of great, blood's a great sperms,

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>great counts, great, you just have something that's called we

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>can't finger on it. And it was all she wanted.

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Like I cannot stress that enough. As long as I

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:06.439
<v Speaker 1>have known her, she was born to be a mum.

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 1>And it took them a couple of years of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fertility treatments, and they finally felt pregnant.

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 2>And I was witnessing that.

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I was very close to her, and all of our

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 1>other friends were falling pregnant, and so I know firsthand

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 1>what it felt like from her because I was with

0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>her every day with the tears, with the you know,

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.600
<v Speaker 1>she came to my fertility appointment as well, and there's

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 1>nothing else to say. Then it fucking sucks. But all

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.399
<v Speaker 1>you can do is focus on you. And I think

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>something that might help is you actually don't know if

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 1>this other girl has also been struggling, Like, you don't

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.359
<v Speaker 1>know what her journey was. You don't know if it

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>was an IBF baby. You don't know if she was

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 1>trying for years, or if she's miscarried in the past,

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 1>or you really don't know other people's stories.

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 2>And one thing we do know are.

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 1>The statistics that infertility or fertility problems are far higher

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>totally than everybody thinks.

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:58.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy you said that, Britt, because I think

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 2>you see a pregnancy announcement and you don't think about

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 2>what went into having that happy baby. And often people

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:07.400
<v Speaker 2>don't feel comfortable sharing their fertility stories because it is

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 2>so personal and it's so painful for so many people,

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and we can think everybody else has it so much easier.

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:14.839
<v Speaker 2>You're like, why was it so easy for them? You don't,

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 2>You don't know, You really don't. And I think the

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 2>best thing to do in your situation now is to

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>avoid triggers. Avoid things like social media triggers. Block people

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 2>who and I'm not saying block anyone who's having a baby,

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:31.319
<v Speaker 2>but in this instance of this girl, like you can

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 2>mute the things that might come into your feed and

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 2>ruin your day. Do you know what I mean, Like,

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 2>don't go looking for things that you know are going

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 2>to make you sad and block or mute things that

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 2>you know. If you're having a great day and then

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:44.319
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden you see that pop up on

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 2>your Instagram, it's going to affect you. We really have

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 2>to take responsibility for the stuff that we consume that

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 2>hurts us. I mean, yes, and of course there's limits

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 2>to that.

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Like you scrolling social media, you don't know that the

0:44:57.560 --> 0:44:59.760
<v Speaker 1>next picture is not going to be a pregnant person.

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, there are things you can put in place, But

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean to sum it up, you're absolutely entitled to

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>be upset because it's a really upsetting thing and it's

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a very stressful thing.

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 2>But I also think, like you know, I know, we've

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.760
<v Speaker 2>said it, this whole idea of giving yourself grace, allowing

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:19.280
<v Speaker 2>yourself to feel the feelings. But know that fucking corny

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 2>and cliche, But in a year's time, you're not going

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 2>to feel the same level of rage towards this person,

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 2>or jealousy towards this person. Jealousy, just like every other emotion,

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 2>fluctuates the way that you feel right now, is not

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.319
<v Speaker 2>going to be a constant, and I think that it's

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 2>okay to ride this wave and know that in a

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 2>month or two months, or what however long it takes you,

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:40.719
<v Speaker 2>you're going to start to feel better about this situation.

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>It's so important for you to do what you can

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to focus on you and not worry about someone else's journey.

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Easier said than done.

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:49.919
<v Speaker 1>But however, you want to do that, whether it's talking

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 1>to your friends more so that they understand more, so

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe they don't drop these things, they don't ask these questions.

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if your friends are across.

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Your fertility journey, but if they're not, it might help

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 1>you to talk about it, and it might help them

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.799
<v Speaker 1>to be more hyper aware. Because nobody ever means to

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 1>offend you ever, but if they don't know, they very

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:09.360
<v Speaker 1>well could say something that will trig.

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 2>You totally totally. And also, like you can people can

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 2>put up stories and exclude people from seeing stuff. Your friends,

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 2>if they go on to baby showers and whatnot, and

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:20.319
<v Speaker 2>they know that it's a trigger for you because you've

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 2>told them, they can put up stories and they can

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.239
<v Speaker 2>exclude you from seeing it, and like that would be

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:26.560
<v Speaker 2>better for your mental health.

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Idea anyway, guys, good luck anyway.

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 2>That is it from us, Done and dusted. If you

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget toy, Mum, tell you Dad, Tell dot to

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<v Speaker 1>your friends and share the love because.

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<v Speaker 2>We love them. The Batan were based