Speaker 1: Good Apeter, Helly here, welcome to you. We ain't seen
Speaker 1: nothing yet. The movie podcast where our chat to a
Speaker 1: movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't
Speaker 1: quite got around to watching until now. Today's guest broadcaster
Speaker 1: Georgie Tunney.
Speaker 2: Ever dance with the devil on the bell light.
Speaker 3: I'm walking here, I'm walking a heare.
Speaker 2: Of all the gin joints and all the towns in
Speaker 2: all the world.
Speaker 1: She walks into mind what happening right now?
Speaker 4: You don't see nothing here.
Speaker 1: When it comes to news, Georgie Tunney is a triple threat.
Speaker 1: She can do everything from delivering the news, sport and
Speaker 1: even the weather. Yes, Georgie has covered everything from bushfires
Speaker 1: to malaise. I feel though it is sport where George's
Speaker 1: true passion lies. A passionate Queenslander, particularly come origent time,
Speaker 1: Georgie presents with warmth and intelligence and quite simply she
Speaker 1: just knows her stuff. And I say that referring to sport,
Speaker 1: but equally she knows how the TV landscape works too.
Speaker 1: She was an EP on the avc's Offside this summer series.
Speaker 1: George's appearances on the project have thankfully become more regular
Speaker 1: and We love having her hang with us, and I'm
Speaker 1: bloody stoked that have Georgie Tunney hanging with me today.
Speaker 5: Hey there, I'm Georgie Tunney and my three favorite films
Speaker 5: Baz Lemon's Romeo and Juliet My Heart's.
Speaker 6: Your Love is set on the fair daughter of rich Gabulamba.
Speaker 5: La La land Real. What's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 5: Nathan Shaning, Tom Weirdo and Gladiator.
Speaker 1: You know, Dad cleans off a lot easier than blood.
Speaker 5: Cleaners, and as of forty eight hours ago, I had
Speaker 5: never seen planes, trains and automobiles.
Speaker 1: Yes, all Neil Paige Steve Martin wants is to get
Speaker 1: out of New York and home to his family for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: But as John Lennon saying, life is what happens when
Speaker 1: you're busy making other plans, Neil should have known it
Speaker 1: wasn't his day when he left his gloves behind in
Speaker 1: the office in his rush to get to the airport
Speaker 1: to catch the six o'clock flight out. He should definitely
Speaker 1: have had a sinking feeling when Kevin Bacon beat him
Speaker 1: to his cab, and then when shower curtain rings, salesman
Speaker 1: Dell Griffith, John Candy, in his best ever screen performance,
Speaker 1: outright stole his taxi. He really should have given up
Speaker 1: there and then. But this is only the beginning of
Speaker 1: Neil's hellish forty eight hours, as he gets lumped with
Speaker 1: this chatterbox stranger, a roommate from hell who may just
Speaker 1: be the kindest man Neil will ever meet. Writer director
Speaker 1: John Hughes hits it out of the park in this
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six classic. It's a pitch perfect comedy that
Speaker 1: moves from one set piece to the next without any
Speaker 1: of them ever feeling shoehorned, hilarious, melancholic, and with the
Speaker 1: heart the size of John Candy himself. Planes Trains and
Speaker 1: Automobiles is my favorite comedy of all time. No pressure,
Speaker 1: Georgie Tummy.
Speaker 5: I was just as it's going on, I was like,
Speaker 5: oh wow, this is I can't say anything bad about.
Speaker 1: This, No, you can. All your honest thoughts appreciated and
Speaker 1: are valued.
Speaker 5: Excellent, excellent, But.
Speaker 1: Saying what you thought of the movie? Did you?
Speaker 2: Were you?
Speaker 1: How aware of this movie? Were you not at all?
Speaker 5: And I think what I found out pretty quickly while
Speaker 5: watching it is that I had always got planes, trains
Speaker 5: and Automobiles confused with train spotting, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I am in for a treat. So when you were
Speaker 5: like have you ever seen that? I was like no,
Speaker 5: it's like can you watch it? I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: am I in the headspace? I don't know? And then
Speaker 5: it started and I was like, oh, oh, step Mom's
Speaker 5: in this. Oh these people look healthy, they look happy,
Speaker 5: you know, a bit stressed about travel. But I've misjudged
Speaker 5: this film.
Speaker 1: John Katt is quite quite beefy for a heroin addicte.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's doing he's doing well. He's doing well, you know,
Speaker 5: And I thought, oh, this is an interesting take for
Speaker 5: treatment for this problem.
Speaker 1: It is one of these films that I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of comedians, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of the people who are you know in my
Speaker 1: life who just see this as one of their favorite
Speaker 1: comedies of all time. But for the amount of people
Speaker 1: who do rate it as highly as they do, there
Speaker 1: are so many people he doesn't. He hasn't had the
Speaker 1: life that you know, maybe a Ferris Bueller's day off
Speaker 1: has had, or he doesn't leave in that kind of realm.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 5: Reason well, I think as well. I mean, I love
Speaker 5: Steve Martin like I've always loved him because growing up,
Speaker 5: I loved the film Cheaper by the Doesn't and I
Speaker 5: would watch that like weekly pretty much, and I loved him.
Speaker 5: I thought he was amazing Father of the Bride, et cetera,
Speaker 5: et cetera. But I think this was the film that
Speaker 5: I really started to appreciate, maybe because I'm a bit
Speaker 5: older and I was looking out for it. But the slapstick,
Speaker 5: physical humor that he can bring to a role which
Speaker 5: I never had actually, you know, put to him before.
Speaker 5: And I'm not sure if that was that's something you
Speaker 5: know better than me, where like Steve Martin is like no, no, no,
Speaker 5: he's known for that, but it's just in his reactions,
Speaker 5: especially dealing with Dell John Candy in the film, and
Speaker 5: the frustration and just having that bubble over into every
Speaker 5: single gesture he does when he's just so flabbergasted that
Speaker 5: you just can't form words so your body is just
Speaker 5: like shaken about being like, oh my gosh, there's a representation.
Speaker 5: I found that incredibly relatable yep, but also hilarious. Yes,
Speaker 5: And I hadn't and I don't think I had any
Speaker 5: idea that that's what I was in for because even
Speaker 5: when it first started, it did I thought that Kevin
Speaker 5: Bacon was going to be a main main character because
Speaker 5: I was like, it started and Steve Martin's racing for
Speaker 5: a cab. He's got to get to the airport and
Speaker 5: he's racing for a cab, and then another guy starts
Speaker 5: racing for the cab with him in New York, and
Speaker 5: I was like, is that Kevin Bacon. Oh my god, Bacon.
Speaker 5: Can't wait to see what he does in this film.
Speaker 5: That was it. That was it. That was the only
Speaker 5: part of the film that he's in.
Speaker 1: An interesting tipbit which I was going to do like run,
Speaker 1: but I do it now because you mentioned Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 1: Is that he So he was making another John Hughes
Speaker 1: movie around that time. John Hughes is prolific, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: so for those who don't know, made the Home Alone movies,
Speaker 1: but also Breakfast Club six and Candles I Science.
Speaker 5: I found that after I because I did do a
Speaker 5: little bit of research about John Hughes after this, and
Speaker 5: I knew his name. I didn't I wasn't aware that
Speaker 5: he was behind Home Alone. But having seen planes, trains
Speaker 5: and automobiles, now it seems like the perfect precursor to that.
Speaker 5: And I can totally get it because there were moments
Speaker 5: where they're like racing to the airport. Got to get
Speaker 5: to the airport. It's chaos that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 5: I'm just waiting for buddy Catherine Ahara to come and.
Speaker 4: Be like Kevin.
Speaker 1: And the house is almost identical and actually physically is
Speaker 1: only a few blocks away from the house, So the
Speaker 1: pages and the Michella's has probably spent Christmases together.
Speaker 5: That makes so much sense, That makes so much.
Speaker 1: Or Neil, so let's come back. So I wanted the
Speaker 1: point abou Kevin Bacon was he was making a film,
Speaker 1: a John Hughes movie called She's Having a Baby, perhaps
Speaker 1: not one of his bigger films, but then so he
Speaker 1: just said, what are you doing next? And if it's
Speaker 1: any role, I'm happy. Even if it's I'll be an
Speaker 1: extra if you want me to know, just whatever, and
Speaker 1: he said, okay, this is one role. And another little
Speaker 1: intersting fact about that is when when Nil's wife is
Speaker 1: watching TV in bed, she's waiting up for the phone
Speaker 1: call for him to get home, she's actually watching She's
Speaker 1: having a Baby. Oh really, that's the movie.
Speaker 5: Playing love that that's an easter egg that I a
Speaker 5: lovely appreciate.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about your three favorite films. They are
Speaker 1: great films and I've seen every single one of them.
Speaker 1: Let's say the best. Lemon's Romeo and Juliet.
Speaker 5: So this film I saw, I remember it so clearly.
Speaker 5: I only got to see the first ten minutes. It
Speaker 5: was year ten English class. I'd never seen it before.
Speaker 5: We were studying Romeo and Juliet, and my English teacher,
Speaker 5: mister Robinson, shout out to him because he actually did
Speaker 5: have probably in the end a profound impact on my
Speaker 5: life because we were studying Romeo and Juliet, and he
Speaker 5: was very very clear that he never wanted plays to
Speaker 5: be read. Plays were meant to be performed, so there
Speaker 5: was no point in us reading through the scripts. We
Speaker 5: had to be watching the play itself. And then he
Speaker 5: introduced us to bas Lehrman's take on Romeo and Juliet,
Speaker 5: and I just remember the first thing, you know, I
Speaker 5: bite my thumb at you, I bite my thumb at Usa,
Speaker 5: and it's like they're in drag cars, and it was
Speaker 5: like is this fast and the furious? What is happening?
Speaker 5: And the colors were just insane, and I thought it
Speaker 5: was just one of the most beautiful films, and I
Speaker 5: was so captured by the soundtrack. And it's actually this
Speaker 5: film that made me want to study film.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: So then when I went to UNI, I've got a
Speaker 5: journalism degree and an arts degree, and in arts I
Speaker 5: studied film and TV. And it was this film that
Speaker 5: made me want to do that, because I'd always had
Speaker 5: an interest in it, but it was just something about
Speaker 5: how they'd modernized it. It still made complete sense. Was
Speaker 5: I in love with Leonardo DiCaprio. Probably that may have
Speaker 5: had an influence, but it was just you know, the
Speaker 5: pool scene, the lift scene, Desira sing and kissing, you
Speaker 5: like the scene radio I still remember a radio head
Speaker 5: song talk show host when you first are introduced to
Speaker 5: Romeo Leo and it's black and white and he's just
Speaker 5: like smoking, walking in slow motion about a theater, like
Speaker 5: an abandoned theater. And I just thought the motifs and
Speaker 5: stuff that Baz had sort of put out there were incredible.
Speaker 5: I mean, there was something about it. I've watched it
Speaker 5: so many times since, but there was something about it
Speaker 5: that even at fifteen, I saw fifteen minutes in an
Speaker 5: English class that I was like, what is this movie?
Speaker 5: I need to see it all and I just to
Speaker 5: this day love it. Would never turn it off.
Speaker 1: I remember when it came out, it was it was
Speaker 1: something in the same way Tarantino was like a breath
Speaker 1: of fresh air, and like, wow, we haven't seen this before.
Speaker 1: Bas Lehman, you know, people forget like Sheley Borman. It
Speaker 1: was a fun movie. And then he does know Romeo
Speaker 1: and Juliet and it's like, whoa, this is something we've
Speaker 1: never seen before. That now I feel like that's influenced
Speaker 1: either influence or maybe Bas has got in first the
Speaker 1: idea of taking something and modernizing it, you know, in cinema,
Speaker 1: and and I might be wrong, maybe Bes has taken
Speaker 1: them from somewhere else, maybe it has been done before,
Speaker 1: but it just felt extremely fresh. And you're right, the
Speaker 1: music choices were so kind of eclectic but fitted perfectly.
Speaker 5: And that was the thing I think that stayed with me.
Speaker 5: It was the haunting perfection of the song choices. And
Speaker 5: I don't remember a movie or a soundtrack of a
Speaker 5: movie other than my third film, which we'll get to,
Speaker 5: but having that much of an impact on me where
Speaker 5: it wasn't just the score. It was, you know, songs
Speaker 5: with lyrics, and the way that he used them and
Speaker 5: moved them and in and out of the story actually
Speaker 5: progressed the story. And it was like it was very
Speaker 5: very clear that he had a path for those songs
Speaker 5: to have an impact on the scene that was going
Speaker 5: on as well. And I mean the performance is to
Speaker 5: Claire days. I was in love with her, in love
Speaker 5: with Leo, like love them all, Macucio crying, Tibolt. I
Speaker 5: was obsessed with him John I never get his name right,
Speaker 5: Legsamer sid this loth yes him in that. I remember
Speaker 5: watching it being like, why do I know? Why do
Speaker 5: I know that voice? Later on I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I s Age gotcha.
Speaker 1: He's so good? Is so good? It's Baslomin. I think
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite filmmakers, even though when I
Speaker 1: go to mention my favorite filmmakers and sometimes I forget
Speaker 1: to put him in. Yeah, but when he's Elvis film
Speaker 1: comes out, I am, I'm front and center.
Speaker 5: The thing that I love about him, and you mentioned
Speaker 5: Quentin Tarantino, and it's this concept of auteurs. So it's
Speaker 5: a director that you know immediately. You may not know
Speaker 5: anything about the film, but it begins and you're like,
Speaker 5: is this a Tarantino film or is this a bas
Speaker 5: Leman film. There's stylistically something there that they have, you know,
Speaker 5: across their body of work. And I think that for
Speaker 5: me was Romeo and Juliet was the first one for
Speaker 5: me to really get get involved and notice that, and
Speaker 5: then you know, Mulan Rouge Australia to a certain extent,
Speaker 5: Great Gatsby after that as well. There were always these
Speaker 5: elements of being like, oh you can tell it's Baz.
Speaker 1: There's very few austrained directors who come a fit in
Speaker 1: that category. George Miller is probably the one that stands out.
Speaker 1: But even then, you know, I mean, obviously I think
Speaker 1: Feu possibly is the greatest strain movie you ever made.
Speaker 1: Love it so much, astonishing, But you know he's still
Speaker 1: doing Lorenze's Oil. You know, you're not watching Lorenzi's Oil
Speaker 1: going oh, this is a George Miller film. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're every every second of Celluloid that bas
Speaker 1: Lehman has worked on, says bas Lemon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. And that was and I fell and I
Speaker 5: fell in love with it. There was something about it
Speaker 5: that I was like Oh, this is great, and now
Speaker 5: I'll comes to think of it, talking about, you know,
Speaker 5: modernizing a classic, I'm like one of my other favorite films,
Speaker 5: which is not in the top three. But if She's
Speaker 5: the Man, the classically acclaimed She's the Man with Amanda
Speaker 5: Bynes and Channing Tatum, and it's based on I think
Speaker 5: it's The Twelfth Night, so it is technically based on
Speaker 5: Shakespeare The Twelfth Night, but without any of the language,
Speaker 5: so there's no iambic pentameter, there's none of that. It's
Speaker 5: just it's all modern language. But the story itself is
Speaker 5: based on Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: Isn't also Ten Things I Hate About You based on
Speaker 1: The Taming of the Shot.
Speaker 5: Saving of the Shoe. That's another one that I also adore.
Speaker 5: So it's it's it's it's interesting that we got me
Speaker 5: to watch Planes, Trains, and Automobiles because it is like
Speaker 5: this comedy and romantic comedy in a sense, because I
Speaker 5: think the love story between Dell and Neil is far
Speaker 5: more interesting than Neil's relationship with his wife. We'll get
Speaker 5: to that when we go back to Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
Speaker 5: But there is something about that genre that I am
Speaker 5: drawn to, and I mean, Shakespeare's work is always about that, essentially.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of other things, I know, but if
Speaker 5: there's a good a good love story, a bit of comedy,
Speaker 5: I'm there.
Speaker 1: But isn't a funny way, you know, I wasn't aware
Speaker 1: that She's the Man was based on That's weird.
Speaker 5: It's amazing oscar Worthy idea.
Speaker 1: Well, and then you have then you have you know,
Speaker 1: Ten Things I Had About You, which is actually a
Speaker 1: real it's a really good film, Heath Ledges. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe first American film I want, you know, certainly the
Speaker 1: one that broke out.
Speaker 5: The one that The thing I love about Ten Things
Speaker 5: I Hate About You is that Joseph Gordon Levitt is
Speaker 5: considered like the dorky cy friend being like, oh yeah, no,
Speaker 5: one's looking at Joseph Gordon Levitt like what do you
Speaker 5: mean it's Robin.
Speaker 1: That is very funny. It's probably no coincidence that these films,
Speaker 1: at these high school films that may be disregarded by
Speaker 1: some based on either trailer or whatever it might be
Speaker 1: another are actually really good in fact, based on the
Speaker 1: greatest works of all time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's always what it comes back to. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's an argument for all storytelling right and all with
Speaker 5: films and things, it's so hard to find a completely
Speaker 5: original idea. But I think with Romeo and Juliet, it's
Speaker 5: one of the most well known, probably the most well
Speaker 5: known love story. I'm using air quotations with love story
Speaker 5: because it's very problematic, but it's something about the take
Speaker 5: that Baz took it to that still made sense to me,
Speaker 5: and because it was brought into that modern world, but
Speaker 5: then also by keeping the Shakespearean language, I hadn't really
Speaker 5: seen that before, and it's that stayed with that stayed
Speaker 5: with me, and I think it is one of the
Speaker 5: reasons why I will continue to just always love this film.
Speaker 5: It's just perfection, perfection.
Speaker 1: La La Land. There are some films that I think
Speaker 1: a victim of its own success.
Speaker 5: I'm so interested to hear your thoughts on La La Lance.
Speaker 1: I really like La La Lance, Okay.
Speaker 5: Because I find there's two I say this because I
Speaker 5: find there's two categories of people. People who love it
Speaker 5: get it, and then people who don't like it. They're
Speaker 5: just like, it's okay, it's not really about the hype,
Speaker 5: Like it's not it's not it's not all it's raved up.
Speaker 1: To be I saw it, you know, I well, well,
Speaker 1: I just love going to see films early. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't like you know, obviously, there are some films
Speaker 1: that you end up hearing about and you end up
Speaker 1: checking them out. But I you know, when there's a buzz,
Speaker 1: I love the Whiplash. Damian Chadell's previous his first film.
Speaker 5: He's very talented film.
Speaker 1: Extremely talented, so I was I'm a big Ryan Gosling fan.
Speaker 1: I love Emmastone as well, so it was all working
Speaker 1: for me. And I'm partial to a musical, so I
Speaker 1: really enjoy this.
Speaker 7: I haven't.
Speaker 1: I think I've seen it twice, and I think i've
Speaker 1: and I think I saw it twice in reasonably quick succession,
Speaker 1: so I haven't revisited it recently, but yes, it seems
Speaker 1: to be. There are some films, like I think Forrest
Speaker 1: Gump also falls in where it's become so big the
Speaker 1: people kind of start question, you know, and it's so successful,
Speaker 1: the people going is it? But is it that good?
Speaker 1: And then it kind of you know, and then the
Speaker 1: pylon kind of happens. So I like, I like people
Speaker 1: who can just disregard all of that and and not
Speaker 1: be cynical and just you know, embrace what is actually
Speaker 1: presented on screen.
Speaker 5: And I think it's interesting because you're right, I was
Speaker 5: positioned before I saw this film. I'd stayed away from
Speaker 5: most most reviews. I also saw it pretty pretty early on.
Speaker 5: I think it came out it was like a Boxing
Speaker 5: day release or something, or a New Year's Day release,
Speaker 5: and I saw it probably like one or two days
Speaker 5: outside of its release. But it heard like all of
Speaker 5: the hype coming out of States about this film and
Speaker 5: all the awards buzz, and then you're right, it had
Speaker 5: elements that I'm already going to like in Ryan Gosling,
Speaker 5: Emma Stone and a little bit of music, but of dancing,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna like that. But there was something about this
Speaker 5: movie that it's going to sound weird, but in my
Speaker 5: mind it's like an epic. And when you think epic,
Speaker 5: you're thinking, I mean, I'm thinking like Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 5: But there's elements of this movie and how it's structured
Speaker 5: and how it's put together, and just the highs and
Speaker 5: lows of emotion and how it made me feel throughout
Speaker 5: the movie that it was like I was on the
Speaker 5: way to more door and I had the ring, and
Speaker 5: I was like, they're about to drop it in and
Speaker 5: then it was like am I going to get my
Speaker 5: happy ending? And I just loved it, loved it because
Speaker 5: of that. I remember it finishing and I was sitting there,
Speaker 5: sitting there with my sister. I remember finishing and I
Speaker 5: just I was I was silent for a few seconds
Speaker 5: while the credits were rolling, and I was like, I
Speaker 5: think that is the best film I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And I just remember being like that is I don't know,
Speaker 5: and I didn't know why. I wasn't sure why, but
Speaker 5: I was like, that is that's that's that's so wonderful
Speaker 5: what I've just seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love that feeling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it was it was just so I remember saying,
Speaker 5: trying to explain and what I should preface this. I was,
Speaker 5: you know, shall I say, a dramatic teenager? And then
Speaker 5: I built up all of these situations, but nothing actually
Speaker 5: really ever happened to me. I was a very privileged
Speaker 5: you know, growing up in Brisbane, like nothing. I had
Speaker 5: wonderful family and I was completely normal. I'd be like,
Speaker 5: imagine this, imagine this situation, all of this, but I
Speaker 5: remember sitting there when Emma Stone comes into the piano
Speaker 5: bar and she's there with her husband and she's got
Speaker 5: this new life and she sees Ryan Gosling and it's
Speaker 5: that moment of what could have been, and then they
Speaker 5: have that they lock eyes and it goes on like
Speaker 5: a little flashback sequence of them dancing in and out
Speaker 5: of like the life that they could have if they'd
Speaker 5: just taken this this step, if they'd worked out all
Speaker 5: of this. But then the end and it's just like
Speaker 5: they're like, no, I'll always have love for you, but
Speaker 5: this is this is actually the best life for me,
Speaker 5: Like how this, how this happened? How this is? You're
Speaker 5: where you're meant to be. I'm where I'm meant to be.
Speaker 5: And I just remember that feeling though it was like
Speaker 5: Emma Stone had transported me into that spot. I didn't
Speaker 5: have any life lessons or experience to back this up
Speaker 5: about why I felt like Ryan Gosling had left me
Speaker 5: and could have been mine, But that was all I felt.
Speaker 5: I was sitting there being like, oh my god, like
Speaker 5: I found I was like losing breath, being like imagine
Speaker 5: being in that situation. You see that person that was
Speaker 5: like everything and then they're still doing their thing. And
Speaker 5: they've become everything for themselves, but you're not a part
Speaker 5: of it anymore. Yeah, and that I remember just being like, oh,
Speaker 5: what's that, what's that feeling? What's that feeling? I've got
Speaker 5: here interesting to discuss with a therapist later. But it
Speaker 5: was just so It's just one of those films. I
Speaker 5: was just so beautiful. The colors again, I think I
Speaker 5: must be a very visual person. The colors, the style,
Speaker 5: and just there was still just a sweetness to it.
Speaker 5: Because I've had this before, people like, well, is it
Speaker 5: actually a musical? And I think it is a musical
Speaker 5: because the music in it and the scenes in it,
Speaker 5: they progress the story. It's not like they're just like
Speaker 5: sitting there at times and then you know, burst out
Speaker 5: into song, like they're dancing down you know, the Hollywood
Speaker 5: Hills and they're dancing across a pier. But it all
Speaker 5: seems to kind of make sense, yes, And I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm happy enough for people to discuss whether
Speaker 1: it's a musical or not, or whether it diehards a
Speaker 1: Christmas movie or not. But it doesn't it's not.
Speaker 5: It's not it's not, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter in the end, Like and I'm if
Speaker 1: it's a fun conversation, whether you're just trying to you know,
Speaker 1: where there's this fit in the on the blockbuster shelf. Fine,
Speaker 1: But if that impacts anyone's enjoyment of the film, if
Speaker 1: anyone's going, well, I didn't enjoy it, I like because
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's pretending to be musical. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's the movie they're giving you. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's some songs in it, and there's a story,
Speaker 1: and it's beautifully crafted. I think when I think of
Speaker 1: Lala Lain, I think of colors.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's like her blue dress, and then I always
Speaker 5: get yellow in there as well. I'm not sure she's
Speaker 5: she's in a yellow dress at one point as well,
Speaker 5: maybe when they're dancing, and the shoes, and I always
Speaker 5: remember the jacket that Ryan Gosling's wearing when he's being
Speaker 5: like that DJ the random like Beverly Hills party by
Speaker 5: the pool and he's there like hating life. I think so.
Speaker 5: And it's just it's just moments like that that that
Speaker 5: stay with me and I want them as like a print,
Speaker 5: you know. If it's like it's one of those movies
Speaker 5: where you pause it tom Ford's A Single Man is
Speaker 5: another one, right, And I know it helps because tom
Speaker 5: Ford is a fashion you know, fashion god. But like
Speaker 5: every single scene, every single second of that movie, if
Speaker 5: you pause it at any stage, that could be a
Speaker 5: print on a wall. And similar to what was his
Speaker 5: I don't want to say it's it's not glass animals,
Speaker 5: but animals something his other one, Nocturnal Nocturnal Animals, And
Speaker 5: it was similar with that with Amy Adams and Jake
Speaker 5: Dillonhall was like there were heavy themes, but it's just
Speaker 5: so beautiful. And I get that with La La Lad
Speaker 5: It's like I want the poster, I want everything. I
Speaker 5: want the shot of the ground, like I'll have that.
Speaker 5: Like it's just it's just so beautiful to me. And
Speaker 5: I think the overall theme of the movie, especially for me,
Speaker 5: was very important in that you have to kind of
Speaker 5: be happy yourself before you can expect anyone else to
Speaker 5: make you happy. And I think that that's what that's
Speaker 5: what they learned because it was a love story, but
Speaker 5: it was also a tragedy, but in the end it
Speaker 5: was good.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, I think that's lovely. And also just
Speaker 1: the chemistry between those two, like I mean a big
Speaker 1: shot out the craziest you be'd love if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen the createst you'd love it. It's it's what probably
Speaker 1: in the same way as planes, trains and hounobiles, doesn't
Speaker 1: maybe get the the accolade that deserves craatest you would love.
Speaker 5: It is I get, But it could have made my list.
Speaker 5: Have to say, because I remember finishing again, leaving that
Speaker 5: the cinema and thinking, I think that film was made
Speaker 5: for me. I think that that was that hit everything
Speaker 5: it was. Steve Carrell was yep, Emma Ryan was in there,
Speaker 5: a little bit of intrigue, a little bit of a
Speaker 5: oh hang on, wasn't expecting that with that that twist
Speaker 5: at the end, and the soundtrack again was amazing, So
Speaker 5: that I agree with you, does not get the wraps
Speaker 5: that it deserves.
Speaker 1: Emma Stone, it is. It is really, really funny. Julianne
Speaker 1: Moore is in it. It's it's it's funny, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's got heart, it's a bit heartbreaking at times. It's
Speaker 1: it's so it's it's it's so good. So check that out.
Speaker 1: Gladiator less less singing in this one, the score is
Speaker 1: still amazing. I assume I think it's Hans Zimmer, I imagine.
Speaker 5: Yes, Hans Zimmer and Lisa Gerard see. I remember it
Speaker 5: because my mum was obsessed with two thousand version Russell Crowe,
Speaker 5: and I think she we saw Gladiator three times in
Speaker 5: the cinema, so at that time, you know if you're
Speaker 5: going to the cinema multiple times that it's one of
Speaker 5: your favorites. She couldn't wait for it to come out
Speaker 5: on DVD, had to see it three times, and I
Speaker 5: even think that she'd gone so many times that we
Speaker 5: have like a you know those huge posters that cinemas
Speaker 5: have because they hang them from the floor to the
Speaker 5: ceiling to be like, look at this release. I'm pretty
Speaker 5: sure like the local cinema near where we live in Brisbane.
Speaker 5: I think they gifted it to her and we have
Speaker 5: somewhere a huge, obnoxiously massive I was going to say
Speaker 5: life size, but it's not giant size poster of Russell
Speaker 5: Crowe as Maximus Decimus Meridius. It could be her most
Speaker 5: valued possession.
Speaker 1: That is amazing. I saw Gladiator almost of the week
Speaker 1: it opened in your home state of Queensland. I was
Speaker 1: on the tour with Tripod and we all went We're
Speaker 1: very excited because we'd heard, you know, the great buzz
Speaker 1: about this film and everyone was you know, really, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole country was behind Russell.
Speaker 5: Wasn't he just Australia's darling?
Speaker 1: It was Australia.
Speaker 5: Can't we born Australia's darling.
Speaker 1: Ignoring the fact that he was born in New Zealand,
Speaker 1: And we continue to do that, getting himself into trouble
Speaker 1: sometimes he becomes a key with New Zealand again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean I've always loved Russell Crowe, from seeing
Speaker 1: him the Summer of Us and the Rampa Stamper and
Speaker 1: then breaking through to the US and the films he
Speaker 1: didn't even after the Insider and incredible, incredible film Cinerellaman.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just like it just this is
Speaker 1: I was just here for the whole and I'm I
Speaker 1: love an epic. Yes, I love Braveheart. You know when
Speaker 1: I was four and fifteen, I was ever dancing with wolves, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and this it just it just leaps off off the screen.
Speaker 5: I remember at the time thinking because and I saw it,
Speaker 5: so I didn't see it in the cinema. I think
Speaker 5: I was about nine when it came out so I
Speaker 5: would have seen it when I was probably ten or eleven,
Speaker 5: still probably too young to be watching should be watching Gladiator.
Speaker 5: Camielle sonny at home, but she went as soon as
Speaker 5: it was one of those films that as soon as
Speaker 5: it came out on dvdate, we had it. And so
Speaker 5: I remember sitting down to watch it with my parents,
Speaker 5: my sister, and I just got so involved with this
Speaker 5: this story, and I remember at the end being so
Speaker 5: heartbroken that Mum was sitting me down and telling me
Speaker 5: it's okay. Remember Russell is alive and he's dating Meg Ryan,
Speaker 5: like it's okay, he's not dead. And I just remember
Speaker 5: just heart like just I was inconsolable because Russell had died.
Speaker 5: Spoiler everyone Maximus does not survive the coliseum, and I
Speaker 5: just remember being like just so destroyed by that because
Speaker 5: I was like he was I was like, oh, I
Speaker 5: think it was my first memory of being like, well,
Speaker 5: he is a gladiator, he's an icon, he can't die,
Speaker 5: so this movie has to have a happy ending. Baby George,
Speaker 5: she was in for a ride, in for a ride,
Speaker 5: and I think again, it's there's the theme with all
Speaker 5: these and then the music, the music had such a
Speaker 5: profound influence on me because again, now I do sports
Speaker 5: journalism as my career, and every single sporting package, if
Speaker 5: it's going to rain in some of the emotion that
Speaker 5: you want from that moment, you're putting in hahn Zimmer,
Speaker 5: you're putting in that score. I don't care if it's golf,
Speaker 5: I don't care if it's motor sport. That's the bit.
Speaker 5: That is the song that you're using for that, and
Speaker 5: it's just this uplifting but also heartbreaking, heartbreaking sound like
Speaker 5: the whole way through, and I'll forever remember, you know,
Speaker 5: my name is Maximus Decimus Maridius, commander of the Armies
Speaker 5: of the North, father to a birded son, husband to
Speaker 5: amirded wife, and I will have my vengeance, you know what.
Speaker 5: It goes really low, and that to me is just
Speaker 5: still one of those moments that I'll be like, you know,
Speaker 5: loyal servant to a true emperor, Marcus Aurelius, and I
Speaker 5: just every time I'm there, I'm like, oh, I'm transported.
Speaker 1: And what's so great about Russell's performance because the voice,
Speaker 1: like the accents in across the whole film are a
Speaker 1: little bit different, you know, malar Keanes kind of keeping
Speaker 1: his accent. He's done a little bit, a little bit affected,
Speaker 1: and Russe is kind of doing the same things. You
Speaker 1: can kind of hear the Austraine accent, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of he's affected.
Speaker 5: Enough, and you've got gime on in there and you're like,
Speaker 5: what's happening, let's go on here? Where are you?
Speaker 1: But it really it just works. And I was listening
Speaker 1: to an actor say recently about I forget it was
Speaker 1: actually it's not all about the accent. You know, as
Speaker 1: long as you're consistent with whatever you choose to go with,
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily like if people are focusing on that,
Speaker 1: then you've you've missed it somewhere else, yes, in your
Speaker 1: in your performance. So yeah, I think obviously wins the Oscar.
Speaker 5: For that, and I remember the I think the thing
Speaker 5: as well, Like Ridley Scott was the director of this,
Speaker 5: and you know, I think he did and a whole
Speaker 5: whole host of other things right, and so he knows
Speaker 5: how to make an epic, he knows how to make
Speaker 5: it extra epic, and just the battle scenes for me,
Speaker 5: so the battle scenes before they got to the coliseum,
Speaker 5: when he was the commander of the Armies of the North,
Speaker 5: and that to me was like it was Game of Thrones.
Speaker 5: Like I mean literally twenty years before Game of Thrones,
Speaker 5: but it was that. So the things and the fights,
Speaker 5: the fight scenes, the battle scenes that people love now
Speaker 5: with Game of Thrones, they couldn't really have happened without Gladiator.
Speaker 5: I don't think in that same that same intensity. And
Speaker 5: then like you know, the Colosseum scenes as well. I
Speaker 5: still always remember when they bring out the Barbarian hordes
Speaker 5: with the those chariots with the spin the spindling need
Speaker 5: like I was gonna say a needle, but the sharp
Speaker 5: bit at the end of the wheels and it just
Speaker 5: slices the man in half. Again, possibly too mature content
Speaker 5: for a ten year old to handle, but I was
Speaker 5: there with that. Then they bring out the tigers and
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my gosh, like it was such
Speaker 5: a spectacle and something that I'll always yeah, I'll always
Speaker 5: go back to, always go back to Gladiator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't watched it for a long time. In fact,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched it with my kids, which I do
Speaker 1: need to rectify. We are going to move on to planes,
Speaker 1: trains and automobiles, but before we do, we'll just take
Speaker 1: a little break. All right, we're back with Georgie Toney,
Speaker 1: and now I'm just gonna ask you flat out, did
Speaker 1: you love plane, strange and Automobiles.
Speaker 5: Half love, half love, half love half love? Elements that
Speaker 5: I truly loved Steve Martin? Yes, John Candy, the love
Speaker 5: story of Planes, Trains and Automobile is between those two.
Speaker 5: You can tell me that it's a film about Steve
Speaker 5: Martin trying desperately to get home to his wife and
Speaker 5: family in time for Thanksgiving. I'm not going to believe you,
Speaker 5: because the wife, Susan Page, I've got all kinds of
Speaker 5: issues with her character.
Speaker 1: Well, let's discuss that. Let's just straight out, because there
Speaker 1: is one of the most fascinating details that I've only
Speaker 1: just uncovered preparing for this, because, like I said, this
Speaker 1: is my favorite comedy. It's in the top three films
Speaker 1: of all time, and I love it. But I never
Speaker 1: knew that the first draft, in fact, and they ended
Speaker 1: up shooting the entire draft was one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: five pages.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So that basically the rule of thumb is it's a
Speaker 1: minute of the page. Okay, So this film goes I
Speaker 1: think ninety three minutes. That's including credits, so usually I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if it was the same back in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six, but it was ninety three. Usually take about
Speaker 1: seven minutes away for credits, so it says less than
Speaker 1: ninety minutes. So I've done a lot of trimming and
Speaker 1: in the and I'll go, I'll go through when we
Speaker 1: discussed the certain scenes when they took bits out. But
Speaker 1: one of the big elements they took out was the
Speaker 1: idea that Susan believed Neil was having an affair. Ok
Speaker 1: So she was she and the whole thing that Dell's
Speaker 1: this and she thought Dell was a woman who he
Speaker 1: was having an affair with.
Speaker 5: Okay, this makes so much more sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I don't want to get to the end
Speaker 1: of we don't discussing in too much, but it just means.
Speaker 1: It just means when you get to the end and
Speaker 1: you have that final moment, that would the emotion felt
Speaker 1: in that moment, even though I'm totally there for it,
Speaker 1: and I feel it every single time, it's even it's
Speaker 1: even in the original scripts and what they left up,
Speaker 1: it's even it's even more heightened because of what Susan
Speaker 1: thought was.
Speaker 5: Going on, but what you okay, this is, this is
Speaker 5: this makes a lot of sense, and it would probably
Speaker 5: completely change around what I'm what I'm thinking about her character.
Speaker 5: But because they made that, all those those cuts to
Speaker 5: the final product of the film and you don't know that,
Speaker 5: I just thought it was it seems quite odd every
Speaker 5: time we cut back to her and she seems so MOPy,
Speaker 5: and she was like, oh, I can't believe you're not
Speaker 5: going to be home for Thanksgiving. I'm like, Babe, it is.
Speaker 5: There's a snowstorm. There is a lot of extra features
Speaker 5: happening that's going on that are impeding all of these obstacles,
Speaker 5: like you need to you need to calm down season
Speaker 5: and just appreciate that he's trying to get home from
Speaker 5: New York City to was it Chicago that they were
Speaker 5: after to Chicago on the Thanksgiving week and that you know,
Speaker 5: there's all these elements that the travel is going to
Speaker 5: be a little bit difficult. So yeah, he might be
Speaker 5: a little bit late. And so I just I never
Speaker 5: quite got that watching it, she just seems so much
Speaker 5: more upset then that situation gave her credence for it.
Speaker 5: But now it makes sense if they cut out this
Speaker 5: whole second secondary storyline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's really interesting because I I've never kind
Speaker 1: of taken a to be overly upset or there's a
Speaker 1: point where she said, what's going on? You know when
Speaker 1: you get and it's maybe there, but other times where
Speaker 1: she's gonna I'm just going to wait up for you.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to wait up for you. And yeah,
Speaker 1: So I never read it too much as she's being
Speaker 1: overly I think because.
Speaker 5: The actress herself has such a beautiful face. I was
Speaker 5: just focusing on her face and then she had like
Speaker 5: these little teary eyes Moses, and I was like, Susan,
Speaker 5: why also, you have three children under the age of
Speaker 5: six from what I can and.
Speaker 1: One with an all the time shocking haircut.
Speaker 5: Oh, I call it the Bailey Smith.
Speaker 1: Do you know what?
Speaker 5: That was My first thing? It's or do you mean
Speaker 5: the bowl cut? Because there was a bowl cut with
Speaker 5: the middle child. But Marty so Marty Paige, who was
Speaker 5: the young the daughter, the oldest daughter, she came on screen.
Speaker 5: They were having dinner. She came on screen and I
Speaker 5: just went, oh, it's got Bally Smith's hair before her time.
Speaker 1: Wester Bulldogs with an all time great marlots. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: didn't have the mustache to.
Speaker 5: Go with it. True, very true. If she did, though,
Speaker 5: I'd be questioning her choice of being cast in this
Speaker 5: as a six year old.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that was my main one of my main issues,
Speaker 5: which I feel like I'm feeling a bit more positive
Speaker 5: about the film because I know this now that there
Speaker 5: was this whole other plot, Like you.
Speaker 1: Can only judge a football team by who they put
Speaker 1: out injuries. You got injuries aside you. This is the
Speaker 1: movie that we're presented with, So this is we judge
Speaker 1: the movie. The ninety three minutes we're given not necessary,
Speaker 1: even though you can now understand what the maybe what
Speaker 1: it could have been, you know, you have to judge what.
Speaker 5: It got to a stage where I was like, oh, Neil,
Speaker 5: just give her up, give her up. Just you bunker
Speaker 5: down with Dell and you just have the best time.
Speaker 5: This is the bromance the world needs and I need
Speaker 5: this to happen. And I don't care about your getting
Speaker 5: to Chicago. I don't care go back to New York, Like,
Speaker 5: just just chill there with Dell. That's where I was at.
Speaker 1: There are there are a lot of for those first
Speaker 1: Buela Day Off. Have you seen First Buel' Day Off?
Speaker 5: Yes, I've seen bits, not the whole thing, the whole
Speaker 5: way through, but I believe I've seen like every scene,
Speaker 5: just not in sequence.
Speaker 1: Yep is it is a classic, and you'll you'll see
Speaker 1: some you'll see some First Bueler characters in it, or
Speaker 1: actors from First Buela that the First's dad is in
Speaker 1: the boardroom meeting, so you'll never make the six.
Speaker 5: And I also say that that boardroom meeting. There's a
Speaker 5: scene in this film where I was like, could this
Speaker 5: be any more accurate? And no, It's It's like it's
Speaker 5: it's him. You're trying to get somewhere. It is the
Speaker 5: most like minor thing you're trying to get signed off
Speaker 5: on at work, and they've they've been pouring over it
Speaker 5: for four minutes, four minutes, four hours, and you're you
Speaker 5: have somewhere to be and it's like I have to leave,
Speaker 5: and it's like, well, I'm just gonna have another look
Speaker 5: at it, and I have to go.
Speaker 1: I think there are so many smart choices in this movie.
Speaker 1: And the begin you know, a commercial comedy with basically
Speaker 1: basically a wordless you know, three minute opening scene it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: It's so hilarious, and that's just taking advantage of who
Speaker 1: you have. And we know Steve Martin when they're just waiting,
Speaker 1: everybody's leaning in, all those little touches are just beautiful.
Speaker 5: And that should have been my foreshadowing. I guess this
Speaker 5: is what I mean by his physical humor, which I
Speaker 5: hadn't really appreciated before. It was like even those moments
Speaker 5: where he's just there this frustration and all of this,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh god, I really I really
Speaker 5: relate to that. I that yeh, that hit for me. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And I hadn't. I hadn't appreciated that before with him.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting because because you're of a younger generation
Speaker 1: to me, Georgie, Yeah, I said that. I put it,
Speaker 1: you're younger, Yes, that you know you're sore. You're coming
Speaker 1: to Steve Martin the cheaper but a dozen kind.
Speaker 5: Of which is almost also has a lot of slapstick humor.
Speaker 5: Can I just I'm just remembering scenes of like washing dogs,
Speaker 5: the dog takes them out of under the legs and
Speaker 5: all of this, but I've never appreciated before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Steve Martin's his stand up was very Slapstick,
Speaker 1: he was very prop heavy, and the movies that I
Speaker 1: got to know Steve Martin in like The Jerk and
Speaker 1: Three Megos Parenthood, he's very He's always been very physical,
Speaker 1: so this is actually one of his more restraint because
Speaker 1: he is kind of in a way the straight man
Speaker 1: in this Bell John Kenny Stell. But it is great
Speaker 1: when you see that he still has so when you
Speaker 1: when he does become he's seen a physical side of Neil,
Speaker 1: it is so rewarding because you know, it's just it
Speaker 1: bursts out. There's a scene where they later on, they're
Speaker 1: both talking at the hotel room and we won't jump
Speaker 1: ahead too much, and it's just so great to see
Speaker 1: him laughing in the and having good trouble. We'll try
Speaker 1: to move through reasonably in.
Speaker 5: Chronological I think that I think Pete, that's the bit
Speaker 5: that that that the true success of this film is
Speaker 5: that is it's almost unexpected. His outbursts and the slapstick
Speaker 5: or any of the physical humor, it's unexpected. It was
Speaker 5: when I was watching it, I wasn't ready for it.
Speaker 5: So then when it hit, it really hit because I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, you're not even the funny man in
Speaker 5: this particular movie, right, But then I'm like, you're actually
Speaker 5: really the most hilarious one.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, what it does is it makes what he's
Speaker 1: going through so hilarious, you know. The you know, the
Speaker 1: bathroom sync, you know, is just so so funny, you know.
Speaker 1: And I just want to stop down to say a
Speaker 1: lot of people who listened to this podcast, and we're
Speaker 1: building this beautiful community of listeners, and some people have
Speaker 1: reached out saying they sometimes listen to the podcast first
Speaker 1: and then go and watch the movie. They do it
Speaker 1: out of order, and that's fine. Occasionally we do a movie.
Speaker 1: Harold and Maud was one with Jerdy and Hickey. We
Speaker 1: did that, and we just stopped down and said, listen,
Speaker 1: if you have not seen this movie, stop listening now
Speaker 1: and watch it because there is a twist at the
Speaker 1: end that you need to experience without knowing what's coming.
Speaker 1: So stop now if you have not seen the movie,
Speaker 1: and I'll put a warning at the top of the
Speaker 1: show again, because for the full for the full impact
Speaker 1: of this movie, you need to see it fresh. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so we meet dal, he steals the cab. There's a
Speaker 1: lovely little touch in the puddle, there's little shwer curtain ring,
Speaker 1: which I've never seen before.
Speaker 5: And then I did not notice that.
Speaker 1: I've seen this movie thirty times and I've never seen
Speaker 1: it before.
Speaker 5: Can I also just say the choice from John Hughes,
Speaker 5: I'm assuming it's his idea. I'd love it if it
Speaker 5: was John Conny's idea. But to have him be a
Speaker 5: shower shower curtain ring salesman is just so good, so good. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Like that had me in stitches for a good five minutes, just.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah it is. And when he's selling these chexeasavuk
Speaker 1: in Ivory and.
Speaker 5: That's one of the best things.
Speaker 1: He says to the three girls, you know you could
Speaker 1: pass at eighteen and nineteen, there's the money.
Speaker 5: I want it, I want it, I want it. Like
Speaker 5: he's basically showing that, yeah, he's he's a salesman to
Speaker 5: the truest extent, could sell you know, his sand to
Speaker 5: the deserts. And it's like, yep, yep, it's.
Speaker 1: Prob we one. Del Griffith might be one of my
Speaker 1: all time favorite characters on screen. I mean, the chemistry
Speaker 1: between the two is just magical but incredible.
Speaker 5: It's just that's why they he should have ended up
Speaker 5: with Dell Well Susan, Well.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the sequel. You know, John Candy was still
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 5: You know, I'd love to see it.
Speaker 1: But he's just well, first of all, he's just so funny,
Speaker 1: like you know, he's reading that book that the Canadian Mounted,
Speaker 1: I think it's called, and when he's offering all the
Speaker 1: snacks and he is just is it's insatiable.
Speaker 5: So for this, because I mean I've admitted before that
Speaker 5: I thought that this movie, I got it confused with
Speaker 5: Trained Spotting in my entire life. So there was that,
Speaker 5: and I thought there were specific scenes in that film.
Speaker 5: But then I was like, oh, okay, this must be
Speaker 5: a comedy. But then when it started in the initial set,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh no, it's a horror film because
Speaker 5: this would be my hell. I was Neil and I
Speaker 5: was at a packed airport, which can I just say
Speaker 5: as well trigger warning for everyone in this in this
Speaker 5: COVID world. Looking at those scenes of everyone trying to
Speaker 5: get to the airport, trying to get to where they're going,
Speaker 5: and there's no like security, there's no you know for
Speaker 5: me to square rule or anything. That for me, I
Speaker 5: was like, oh God, like that amped up my anxiety anyway,
Speaker 5: and then to be introduced to Dell and have this
Speaker 5: you know, super chatty traveler who just wants to chat NonStop,
Speaker 5: and you know, you try and be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 5: actually just I'm doing my own thing and all of this,
Speaker 5: and he's like and it's continues chatting, and then you
Speaker 5: find that you're sitting next to them on the plane
Speaker 5: that you're going to, and then you're next to them
Speaker 5: again somewhere and they're just always popping up. That is
Speaker 5: my idea of hell.
Speaker 1: Have you ever done that way you shut a conversation.
Speaker 5: I've not gone that far because raised Catholic, Catholic guilt
Speaker 5: must be polite above all else. So but I have
Speaker 5: feigned sleep before, so I have had the air pods
Speaker 5: in and I'm just there being like, oh yeah, and
Speaker 5: just yeah, very tired working breakfast TV. It's a good excuse.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm an arcalyptic basically, so yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: very very tired. But yeah, it's just something I find
Speaker 5: because sometimes with traveling I'm quite anxious anyway. And then
Speaker 5: if I'm feeling that way and someone just wants to
Speaker 5: have a chat and they're genuinely so lovely, and often
Speaker 5: they are so lovely, and I'm just there being like, oh, no,
Speaker 5: it's really this is me. It's not you, it's me.
Speaker 5: And so I was kneel in that situation, being like,
Speaker 5: I am so stressed about all these external things that
Speaker 5: are happening. It's not you, but I actually can't. I
Speaker 5: don't have the energy to give you anything right now.
Speaker 5: But then John Candy said, no, that is not allowed. Neil.
Speaker 1: It's been quite a bit of bety thing going on.
Speaker 1: So in that scene where he says, please meet in
Speaker 1: Neil Page, Neil Page, what do you do in Neil Page?
Speaker 1: I love the fact that he's his entire name himself
Speaker 1: and he's marketing, oh, marketing. In this script he goes
Speaker 1: off on this huge marketing thing that he does a
Speaker 1: bit of marketing himself with the shower curtain ring, and
Speaker 1: he talks about the movie Psycho and how that movie
Speaker 1: damaged the curtain ring industry. But he had a friend
Speaker 1: who went under because of the movie Psycho like that,
Speaker 1: and and there there's a whole there's a whole bunch.
Speaker 1: And then so is that improv No, it's in the script.
Speaker 1: In the script, it's in the script, and AND's there's
Speaker 1: a few different layers to and he got it's like
Speaker 1: slabs of dialogue and they've lost it. And so he
Speaker 1: basically goes from you know, yeah, marketing, you know that's
Speaker 1: that's that's fascinating, and then and then Neil says, so
Speaker 1: I've lost all that straight to Neil saying do you mind?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not much of a conversationalist, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to argue that they made the wrong choice. But
Speaker 1: I would love I would love to see and we'll
Speaker 1: get to the release that Hughes cut the later on
Speaker 1: in the in the podcast. But they do a really
Speaker 1: good job of keeping these two together because obviously Steve
Speaker 1: Martin's trying to get away.
Speaker 5: And I thought it was actually a credit to John
Speaker 5: Hughes or how the film is put together. I didn't
Speaker 5: find it to be too manufactured. Yes, like the reasons
Speaker 5: that they had to stay together. I actually found that
Speaker 5: to be I was like, no, that I could believe
Speaker 5: it and how that situation is right now, I could.
Speaker 5: I could totally believe that is happening to porn Neil.
Speaker 1: For a movie that you know, has all the set pieces,
Speaker 1: like I said in the Injury, it doesn't it never
Speaker 1: feels sure on you never kind of see the mechanics
Speaker 1: behind the right, the writing behind it. It just feels,
Speaker 1: you know, like the first time they get off and
Speaker 1: there's everybody's trying to work out what's going on, and
Speaker 1: the course home and there's a little bit of foreshadowing,
Speaker 1: you know, like again, stop listening if you haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: But the first bit of foreshadowing is when Neil says,
Speaker 1: so Dlle says to Neil, I have a rule like
Speaker 1: your work, love your wife. Yeah. With that said, Neil
Speaker 1: has caught home and Dell has called a hotel, so
Speaker 1: he hasn't it han't necessarily maybe rang home. So it's
Speaker 1: the first little slice kind of foreshadowing that maybe there's
Speaker 1: something going on in Dell's life.
Speaker 5: And again, if you have not you have not watched it,
Speaker 5: stop now watch it. But I have to say, and
Speaker 5: I was like giving myself all of the bloody pats
Speaker 5: on the back with this that line. I was like,
Speaker 5: oh god, no, is his wife dead? No?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I watched a lot of British crime shows, so I'm
Speaker 5: pretty good at picking things. But I was just there
Speaker 5: was just something about him, the character John Candy and
Speaker 5: Dell and I was like, it was just that line
Speaker 5: I felt was like, I was like, that's a bit
Speaker 5: odd to have there. And I was like, oh no,
Speaker 5: oh no.
Speaker 1: At the airport there or was it in the hotel
Speaker 1: room though?
Speaker 5: Was that the airport? It was that bit was that
Speaker 5: love your wife? And I thought, oh god, does he
Speaker 5: not have a wife, Like, what's what's happening? What's going on?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll get to when that is explored
Speaker 1: and revealed a bit later on. But the yeah, and
Speaker 1: then and then so and then Delda says, listen, I
Speaker 1: can I can hook you up. I love the constant.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I hooked this guy up with some shower curtainings so beautiful,
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 5: And the contacts that he has because of the shower rings,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god, this is amazing.
Speaker 1: And they do kind of work. And also his ability
Speaker 1: he talks to people. Yeah, he's you know, he's able
Speaker 1: to kind of navigate his way across the country because
Speaker 1: he actually engages with people. Neil can't do this because
Speaker 1: he closes himself off. So and Neil then sees like
Speaker 1: Neil's first instinct is going, I'm not going to hang out,
Speaker 1: go back to a hotel with this dude and then
Speaker 1: he sees the man sleeping next to a bin and
Speaker 1: that and you need that, you need that. The scene
Speaker 1: Neil go and we know Neil, he's in a suit,
Speaker 1: he lives in a nice home. He's not going to
Speaker 1: sleep on the floor in an airport. Yep, He's going
Speaker 1: to go to the hotel and that hotel sink. What
Speaker 1: what a sequence?
Speaker 5: Can I also say? So they walk into this hotel
Speaker 5: room and can I give I have to give a
Speaker 5: lot of props to the prop department of this film
Speaker 5: because the curtain choice, the bedspread choice, yes, perfection, perfection,
Speaker 5: the blue green graphic horribleness, perfection. Also the bed choice
Speaker 5: because it does genuinely look like the most uncomfortable bed
Speaker 5: that could have existed, and they've been able to create that.
Speaker 5: And also such a small bed for the two men
Speaker 5: to be sharing. The two strangers, John Candy is not
Speaker 5: a small lad.
Speaker 1: When that camera pans across, it's like it's panning across Europe.
Speaker 1: It is it is is quite uh, it's quite a shape.
Speaker 1: Let's let's have a listen to I mean, this feels
Speaker 1: like when you see anyone who's seen this movie This
Speaker 1: seems to be the scene that people really remember. This
Speaker 1: is them waking up spooning.
Speaker 2: Maybe, oh oh, what did you kiss? Bite here? I'm
Speaker 2: where you're holding her hand. There's your other hand between
Speaker 2: two pillows. Those aren't pillows.
Speaker 3: Bears game last week game.
Speaker 1: I do, I do love it. It's it's it's just
Speaker 1: bloody funny.
Speaker 5: It's just do you know what the scene that got me?
Speaker 5: I mean that that one got me, but it was
Speaker 5: the scene before that when Neil loses his ship at
Speaker 5: Dell and it's just like, you think, I want to
Speaker 5: be here, I'm leaving. I'm leaving this hotel and has
Speaker 5: a whole thing and he describes Dell as a chatty
Speaker 5: Cathy doll, except he's pulling his own string, so it's
Speaker 5: like no one is wanting him to talk. But I'm that.
Speaker 1: Lost it I have so I have played this out
Speaker 1: of order. So I'm let's have a listen to that
Speaker 1: scene as well, because and this is what I love
Speaker 1: about this movie that these two moments can happen kind
Speaker 1: of back to back in the same you know, within
Speaker 1: the same room. So this this is earlier in the
Speaker 1: night Dell, the various things that Dell is doing the
Speaker 1: sound effects. I mean the folly department's chagoed and oscar
Speaker 1: for it. I'm not sure what he was scratching, No
Speaker 1: I know, but it was I think butt cheek. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's screwed him. But it's the moving the
Speaker 1: big cans, knocking over the big hands, or the bottles.
Speaker 1: He tries to read for a little while, he's he's
Speaker 1: adjusting his neck. It's it's crunching. His bones are crunching.
Speaker 1: He's doing the nose thing, he's clearing his throat, and
Speaker 1: eventually Neil has has had enough and they have a
Speaker 1: have a pretty intense conversation.
Speaker 8: Well, go ahead, sleep in a lot, you see if
Speaker 8: I care, I hope you wake up so stiff you
Speaker 8: can't even move.
Speaker 6: You're no saint. You've got a free cab, you've got
Speaker 6: a free room and someone who will listened to your
Speaker 6: boring stories.
Speaker 3: I mean, didn't you didn't you notice on the plane
Speaker 3: when you started talking eventually I started reading.
Speaker 1: The vomit bag.
Speaker 3: Didn't that give you some sort of clue, like, hey,
Speaker 3: maybe this guy's not enjoying it. You know, everything is
Speaker 3: not an anecdote.
Speaker 6: You have to discriminate.
Speaker 3: You choose things that are that are funny or were
Speaker 3: mildly amusing or interesting.
Speaker 1: You're a miracle.
Speaker 4: Your stories have none of that.
Speaker 3: They're not even amusing. Accidentally, Honey, I'd like you to
Speaker 3: meet Del Griffith. He's got some amusing anecdotes for you. Oh,
Speaker 3: here's a gun, so you can blow your brains out.
Speaker 3: You'll thank me for it. I could tolerate any any
Speaker 3: insurance seminar for days. I could sit there and listen
Speaker 3: to them go on and on with a big smile
Speaker 3: on my face. They say, how can you stand it?
Speaker 1: And I'd say, because I've been with.
Speaker 2: Del Griffith, I can't take anything.
Speaker 6: You know what that's say? That's say, I know what
Speaker 6: you mean. Shower curtain ring dies. It's like going on
Speaker 6: a date with a chatty Kathy Dollar. I expect to
Speaker 6: have a little string on your chest. You know that
Speaker 6: I pull out and have to snap back. Except I
Speaker 6: wouldn't pull it out and snap it back.
Speaker 2: You would.
Speaker 3: And by the way, you know, when you're when you're
Speaker 3: telling these little stories, here's a good idea.
Speaker 2: Have a point.
Speaker 1: It makes it so much more interesting for the listener.
Speaker 8: You want to hurt me, Go right ahead, of it
Speaker 8: makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you're right, I talk too much. I also listened too much.
Speaker 8: I could be a coldhearted cynic like you, but I
Speaker 8: don't like to hurt people's feelings. Well, you think what
Speaker 8: you want about me. I'm not changing.
Speaker 7: I like I like me, my.
Speaker 8: Wife likes me, my customers like me, because I'm the
Speaker 8: real article. What you see is what you get it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's a stunning it's a stunning piece of writing.
Speaker 1: It's a stunning performance from both those actors, and what
Speaker 1: it makes you do, like you like you understand when
Speaker 1: Neil gets up out of that bed that you know
Speaker 1: that you know he's got every right to be frustrated,
Speaker 1: you know, and jump out. And this speech is relentless
Speaker 1: and it's hilarious. But John Hughes has a really interesting
Speaker 1: thing where he keeps cutting back to Dell, so at
Speaker 1: some point you become conflicted because you're laughing at what
Speaker 1: Neil's saying you're seeing. There's a version of this where
Speaker 1: you can imagine John Hughes perhaps considered not revealing Dell
Speaker 1: or having John Candy maybe hold back the wailing and
Speaker 1: the eyes a little bit you know, but you're die,
Speaker 1: so he makes you kind of quite conflicted of going.
Speaker 1: It's almost a turning point. You kind of you're on
Speaker 1: Neil's side, and then all of a sudden you're like,
Speaker 1: you're on Dell's side. This is you've gone to far mate.
Speaker 5: That's that And so interesting that you said that. I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't notice that when I was watching it, that choice,
Speaker 5: but you're right, it is definitely a choice because that
Speaker 5: was the moment where I was like and also interesting
Speaker 5: that in Dell's speech there where he's like, you know,
Speaker 5: the customers like me, my wife likes me. And it
Speaker 5: was that was when I was like, oh, that's present tense, Okay,
Speaker 5: interesting it got it, got it. But it was his
Speaker 5: face that was just so heartbreaking, and I was like,
Speaker 5: team Neil. And then with the cha I mean still
Speaker 5: the chatty Kathy line. The chatty Kathy line is so
Speaker 5: it's gold, it is so funny. I was losing it.
Speaker 5: But then you're right, I almost had to start for
Speaker 5: my laughter because poor John Candy was getting abs torn
Speaker 5: apart and he was just like taking it. It's like
Speaker 5: he was bleeding out in this horrible hotel.
Speaker 9: Room in his pajamas in hisas in his pajamas, and
Speaker 9: Steve Martin's like doing this to him, And I mean,
Speaker 9: do I want a shirt that says I've been with
Speaker 9: Dell Griffith.
Speaker 5: I can take anything.
Speaker 1: Yes, every beat of that speech is so quotable. We
Speaker 1: always quote that speech, not necessarily the whole speech of
Speaker 1: this part of it, you know, have a point. It
Speaker 1: makes it makes it so much more interesting. Well, the listener, you've.
Speaker 5: Got to discriminate, discriminate a great word, good, You're a miracle.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 1: But what I also think is important about this scene
Speaker 1: is I think Neil actually carries the guilt like this
Speaker 1: frames his guilt a little bit for the rest of
Speaker 1: the movie. I think there are times when later on
Speaker 1: when the train breaks down and he sees Neil Dell
Speaker 1: lugging his case. He could have easily done a wide
Speaker 1: birth walked around him, but he kind of feels like
Speaker 1: the way I read it, and I really just more
Speaker 1: recently when I watched it, is like, I feel part
Speaker 1: of the is born out of this moment.
Speaker 5: That's interesting. So do you think that Neil as a character,
Speaker 5: is he maybe well, I think it's definitely like he's
Speaker 5: taking out the external stuff that's happening, and it's taking
Speaker 5: it out on Dell, despite the situation itself being pretty
Speaker 5: understandably you'd be frustrated with your traveling partner that you
Speaker 5: never wanted. Yes, but then he goes too far and
Speaker 5: then he's feeling that he's not being a good dat,
Speaker 5: he's not being a good husband, and now he's not
Speaker 5: being a good person.
Speaker 1: Yes. A moment I wrote down the question why do
Speaker 1: we like Neil? And I think it's a really interesting
Speaker 1: thing to discuss because and I think you've hit it on.
Speaker 1: I think we understand and you know, and the elephant
Speaker 1: in the room when discussing something like this is that
Speaker 1: it's bloody Steve Martin, Yeah, which is something you know
Speaker 1: you can't necessarily count on for everyone, but most of
Speaker 1: us are gonna, you know, like stife.
Speaker 5: I'm predisposed to like him.
Speaker 1: Yes, But taking that aside, I think he's inherently good.
Speaker 1: We know what he's trying to do, we would all
Speaker 1: you know, he's been put in a very frustrating situation
Speaker 1: and not of his doing. All he wants to do
Speaker 1: is get home from his fam to his family for Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: which is and like I said, that's not really what
Speaker 1: the movie is about. That's the device. Yes, And so
Speaker 1: we admire that he wants to get home to spend
Speaker 1: time with his family, and when he does something mean,
Speaker 1: and he says something mean to Dell, he genuinely feels
Speaker 1: guilty about it. Pretty quickly we see him that, so
Speaker 1: he actually you know, gets back into.
Speaker 5: Bed, stays to night. They have a lovely embrace.
Speaker 1: Exactly, so we later on, you know, he is yelling,
Speaker 1: and then there's kind of forgiveness, even if he has
Speaker 1: to kind of go off on his own for a
Speaker 1: little while. They come back and you know, so there's
Speaker 1: an inherent I think there's an inherent a goodness that
Speaker 1: we and we understand his predicament and that sense of
Speaker 1: good I think is really important for us to connect
Speaker 1: with that character.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's interesting because again, now knowing the
Speaker 5: you know a little bit of context that they cut
Speaker 5: out of the film with his wife thinking that he's
Speaker 5: having an affair and that Dell is this like other
Speaker 5: woman character, that it does alter it a little bit
Speaker 5: for me because I'm like, is Neil a good person?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: Why do you want Neil to have happiness? Why do
Speaker 5: you want him to get back to the family. I
Speaker 5: struggled with that a little bit, because I know it's
Speaker 5: his family and I should want him to get home
Speaker 5: for Thanksgiving. But because I wasn't finding redeemable features in Susan,
Speaker 5: I was like, well, now you're just being an absolutely
Speaker 5: horrible person to Dell, who is lovely and annoying. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but lovely, and it's wanting to wanting to spend time
Speaker 5: with you. Susan doesn't look like she cares if she
Speaker 5: spends time with you. She's just setting up all these
Speaker 5: impossible ask for you to get home in a snowstorm.
Speaker 5: But with with Dell, and I think in that scene
Speaker 5: in particular, like that moment before Steve Martin goes into
Speaker 5: the bed and just hear that music and really it's
Speaker 5: the go It's the gay romance of my dreams. Like
Speaker 5: if they just had a big embrace there and a
Speaker 5: big kiss, I'd be like, this movie is amazing. Yes,
Speaker 5: this is what we.
Speaker 1: Want, This is what we want, this is what we need.
Speaker 5: Take it a turn and I'm for it. I'm here
Speaker 5: for it. Down with Susan, I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Another bit they cut out of that scene is and
Speaker 1: it's referred to in the in I think the next
Speaker 1: thing where they're at the roadside diner and where they
Speaker 1: realize their money is gone, Yes, and Neil says something like,
Speaker 1: you went through my wallet to get the pizza. So
Speaker 1: there's a scene where they order they order pizza and
Speaker 1: Neil's in the shower and John Canny doesn't hit the
Speaker 1: money for it, so he goes into Neil's suit pocket
Speaker 1: and Tacky's wallet paces at a pizza in that but
Speaker 1: he doesn't tip because he's like his money doesn't tip
Speaker 1: the pizza delivery guy. So the guy who breaks in
Speaker 1: is pizza delivery. He's the pizza delivery guy, which you
Speaker 1: know it works as just a random random guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, interesting, So that's just more context that they've
Speaker 5: had to cut out of it for time restraints. Yes,
Speaker 5: and I think that this works probably more successfully than
Speaker 5: cutting out the adultery, you know, tro potentially, but that
Speaker 5: is also again interesting. But I also when I was
Speaker 5: watching it, I didn't think twice about him mentioning like,
Speaker 5: you know, I've gone into your well for the pizza.
Speaker 5: I was just like, oh yeah, And he kind.
Speaker 1: Of mentions beer cans exploding on the on the on
Speaker 1: the vibrating bed, and so I think that there was
Speaker 1: there's a part of that happening as well, but again
Speaker 1: you don't miss it, so it's hard to argue you
Speaker 1: can't see. I think there is a deleted, deleted scene
Speaker 1: from the airplane where somebody woman in front of Neil.
Speaker 1: She's got a woman with her long hair. She kind
Speaker 1: of puts her hair over the seat and it goes
Speaker 1: into his meal.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then Del you're going to finish that branning and
Speaker 1: takes his goes through her hair and takes takes out
Speaker 1: the brandy and it's really funny. It's really funny.
Speaker 5: Oh I wish that state in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is available online and you can find
Speaker 1: that online. But again you can kind of go, yeah,
Speaker 1: but everything's working, you know. So they've got the stolen
Speaker 1: cash because of Dell's contact, they get on the gust
Speaker 1: of sun contact. The contact always contacts and everything just
Speaker 1: goes like everything that kind of plays out better for Dell,
Speaker 1: even small things like when that guy comes up who's
Speaker 1: played I'm sure he's a well known actor and I
Speaker 1: think he was in the movie Happiness, and I never
Speaker 1: kind of saw this. I don't know his name, but
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's from the movie Happiness. And he arrives
Speaker 1: and he spits into his hand and he shakes shakes.
Speaker 1: He shakes Del's hand first, and then he speaks to
Speaker 1: his hand, he shakes Neil's, and it stays on him
Speaker 1: and Neil's. You just see Neil's face in the corner
Speaker 1: of the screen and you just see him go oh.
Speaker 5: Go again. I'm reverting back to thinking that this is
Speaker 5: a horror film. That moment I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: that is some wolf creak shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's everything just doesn't quite happen work for Neil.
Speaker 1: And then the train breaks down, and again we discussed
Speaker 1: before that again you understand it. Of course, it's quite
Speaker 1: when Neil says, you know, he doesn't want to he doesn'
Speaker 1: want to catch up for a beer or anything. He's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, it's been polite enough, though, you
Speaker 1: know it's.
Speaker 5: Been polite enough. But then there's and there is just
Speaker 5: a way that Dell is framed there that you're starting
Speaker 5: as an audience. I think to cotton On that hang on,
Speaker 5: something all is not right with what's going on with
Speaker 5: Dell and at home, and I think it's and I
Speaker 5: think that that's you're starting to learn that along with Neil,
Speaker 5: so that moment of and he also he's just like,
Speaker 5: you know, he's been relentless, but he's broken down Neil's barriers.
Speaker 5: They are like a legit friendship, even though Neil doesn't
Speaker 5: want it to be that. And so you see the
Speaker 5: scene after bus is broken down and he's there with
Speaker 5: the huge trunk that they've been lugging around and just
Speaker 5: wheeling it up these cobblestone like all the stones, and
Speaker 5: you just see Neil make that choice, which is like,
Speaker 5: oh god, okay, this is my Everest is helping helping
Speaker 5: Dell with this, and I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1: And I think the score actually works really well. It's
Speaker 1: not a score that's going to win, you know. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it didn't win any awards or anything, but it's
Speaker 1: actually it's really an effective, simple score.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say it was effective though, because I
Speaker 5: did notice it. I noticed it from the start with oh, mate,
Speaker 5: Kevin Bacon running for a cab and I was like,
Speaker 5: what is this little like a funky little soundtrack. What's
Speaker 5: happening with these beats? And then you've got that like
Speaker 5: romantic score when they're having the argument and they're like, no,
Speaker 5: we'll still okay, we're going to sleep together, it's fine,
Speaker 5: and then yeah, and all these kind of moments. It's
Speaker 5: definitely I mean, I'm not humming it, but it helps
Speaker 5: progress the story for sure, and also helps shape your
Speaker 5: feelings about each character, because every time Neil goes too far,
Speaker 5: then there's just a score to remind you that, no, no,
Speaker 5: he's a good guy. I remember, we still want him
Speaker 5: to get home to his family. There's still the end goal,
Speaker 5: and you should want that too. Yes, even though I
Speaker 5: don't want him to. I want him to stay on
Speaker 5: the road with Dell.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Dylan Baker, Derek's helped me out. But on the screen,
Speaker 1: Dylan Baker is the actor who plays Gus's son who
Speaker 1: was in The Happiness. Really a really fine actor.
Speaker 5: He's also in this movie for about two minutes, but
Speaker 5: it is a good two minutes.
Speaker 1: I think the characters beat along the way or uniformly
Speaker 1: across the board just fantastic, even and I'd never noticed it.
Speaker 1: When they're in that bus or the train station just waiting.
Speaker 1: I think it's a train station. There's an old guy
Speaker 1: next one who has like this box of mice two Weirdly,
Speaker 1: I had never noticed that before.
Speaker 5: Really, I can't.
Speaker 1: I hate but so I'm not sure subconsciously if I've
Speaker 1: blocked it out or just decided not to look at that,
Speaker 1: or I cannot believe. Maybe I had just completely forgotten about.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'd never know, you know, it
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden, I was like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: two mice in that guy's lat but see.
Speaker 5: And it's those moments that I think are such great
Speaker 5: choices from John Hughes, whoever the team is, whoever decided
Speaker 5: for that to happen, because it still doesn't feel too fabricated,
Speaker 5: because we've all been in those situations where you're like,
Speaker 5: is that actually happening?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is.
Speaker 5: And it's always when you're most frustrated about something that
Speaker 5: you're like, this is the most absurd thing that could happen.
Speaker 5: I remember I was on when I was living in Sydney.
Speaker 5: I was on a manly fairy and it was like
Speaker 5: delayed and I don't know, there was a bit of chop.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure, but I was trying to get somewhere
Speaker 5: and I was on this ferry and was taking a
Speaker 5: very long time, and then there was a man across
Speaker 5: the aisle on the fairy who was clipping his toenails.
Speaker 5: And I will just never forget it because I was
Speaker 5: in that moment up the frustration, being like, when I
Speaker 5: ever get there, what's happening? Okay, two messages person, I'm
Speaker 5: going to be like blah blah blah. And then I
Speaker 5: just everything stopped and I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 5: What is happening? And that was those mice. It was
Speaker 5: like everywhere that they have gone and they've turned. They
Speaker 5: were on the bus and those two guys are like
Speaker 5: making out and it's like it's just like these things
Speaker 5: happen when you're traveling. It happens, but it's because like
Speaker 5: you've got this extra frustration that they're just like this
Speaker 5: huge thing.
Speaker 1: Well, the perfect example. Let's have a listened to this scene.
Speaker 1: This is one of the again more famous scenes from
Speaker 1: this movie. Dell has gone to be dropped off at
Speaker 1: the parking lot to get his rental car. It is
Speaker 1: not there. The bus has already left. He has to
Speaker 1: traverse the car park, across a freeway, across the actual
Speaker 1: runway to get to the rental and then there being
Speaker 1: other people in line. The person who is the worker
Speaker 1: the rental company is on the phone and talking to
Speaker 1: her sister or sister in law about Thanksgiving preparations, and
Speaker 1: let's have a listen to this.
Speaker 4: No, mom's gonna do the turkey. Yeah, dad, one's ambrosia.
Speaker 4: So I guess we got to get those nature marshmallows,
Speaker 4: and I'll do the crescent rolls and you do the cranberry.
Speaker 5: You know I can't cook.
Speaker 4: Yes, well, I'll see you to mortha gobble gobble, Welcome
Speaker 4: to marathon. May I help you help me?
Speaker 6: Yep, you can start by wiping that fucking dumb ass smile.
Speaker 4: Off your rosy fucking chinks.
Speaker 3: Then you can give me a fucking automobile, a fucking
Speaker 3: Dutch in a fucking Toyota Mustang, a fucking being four
Speaker 3: fucking wheels on a seat.
Speaker 6: I really don't care for the way you're speaking, and
Speaker 6: I really don't care for the way your company left
Speaker 6: me in the middle of fucking nowhere with fucking key
Speaker 6: to a fucking car.
Speaker 2: That is a fucking mare.
Speaker 3: And I really didn't care to fucking walk down a
Speaker 3: fucking highway and across a fucking runway to get back
Speaker 3: here to have.
Speaker 2: You smile with my fucking face. I wanted a fucking
Speaker 2: car right fucking now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see your rental agreement.
Speaker 2: I threw it away. Boy, oh boy, what.
Speaker 5: Your fust?
Speaker 1: That was Adye mclergh, who was in She's having a
Speaker 1: baby as well with John Hughes and John Hughes during
Speaker 1: during one of the days read up to her and
Speaker 1: said can you just read this? And she goes, okay.
Speaker 1: She thought, oh, he's just obviously writing something. Maybe he
Speaker 1: wants to hear it back, and she and she read
Speaker 1: it and he's like, okay, cool. And then a few
Speaker 1: months later you got a call something we're casting you
Speaker 1: in that and she's like, oh, that was an audition
Speaker 1: that I got an audition in front of the rest
Speaker 1: of the crew and cast. Okay, sure, but it's so
Speaker 1: that is so funny. I just love that scene.
Speaker 5: Give her an oscar? Where's the oscar?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's this was really I think I
Speaker 1: love it his film. It's like I love Alexander Payne.
Speaker 1: You know, he does Sideways and The Election and The Descendants.
Speaker 1: He kind of has these characters, kind of Midwest characters,
Speaker 1: throughout his movies, and I think the casting and this
Speaker 1: is so good. There are eighteen if you weren't counting
Speaker 1: eighteen f bombs in a minute. And what's what I
Speaker 1: love about it is there's not another F bomb in
Speaker 1: the entire movie.
Speaker 5: Now, it's just this. And I thought at the time,
Speaker 5: I was like, have they used up all of the
Speaker 5: swear words that they are allowed to in the movie
Speaker 5: just for this one, this one bit? And it was
Speaker 5: And I thank them for that because this scene was, like,
Speaker 5: I mean, to the man on the manly fairy cutting
Speaker 5: his turnails, I would have loved to have been able
Speaker 5: to say this because and I watched this scene, I
Speaker 5: was like, because it's so real, like and I know,
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, yes, there are things that might
Speaker 5: be fanciful that are happening in this You're not You're like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, but how far fetched would that be? This
Speaker 5: is so real, this amount of frustration. And for those
Speaker 5: who haven't seen this particular scene, Steve Martin is so
Speaker 5: disheveled looking.
Speaker 1: You've got his tie the forehead but like under his jaw,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure why.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure why, but it was amazing. It was amazing,
Speaker 5: even that choice. When he's like taking his time, I'm like,
Speaker 5: why is it over there?
Speaker 1: A lovely little weird like costume choices and set design.
Speaker 1: There's one were days go to an office and there's
Speaker 1: two neon lights signs that says office. Why do you
Speaker 1: need to point to this office in this motel.
Speaker 5: It's so good even just that, because we've all like everyone,
Speaker 5: I don't care if you're like, no, I'm a lovely person.
Speaker 2: Up. This is now.
Speaker 5: This isn't relatable. We have all been in a situation
Speaker 5: where we've walked into a retail store and I used
Speaker 5: to work retail, and it's like the one time that
Speaker 5: you actually want help and no one is there to help.
Speaker 5: It could be any customer service thing, the one time
Speaker 5: you want help there's no one there to help, or
Speaker 5: if they are, they're on the phone talking to someone
Speaker 5: incredibly animatedly and you're just like a hem, as Steve
Speaker 5: did there, and then they come back to you and
Speaker 5: it's almost like what, like what and for her to
Speaker 5: go gobblegobble.
Speaker 1: Got the gobble gobble. It was the thing. I think
Speaker 1: it's scene even more than the is about the gobble gobble.
Speaker 5: Oh, because I'm like, did she just say what? It
Speaker 5: was like, almost like a huh is that? Because it's
Speaker 5: just so perfect.
Speaker 1: It is so amazing and apparently an idea almost it's
Speaker 1: a living going on. It was it was John Hughes
Speaker 1: said this pretending just be on the phone actually and
Speaker 1: this baby, and so she was I think taking a book,
Speaker 1: but then they take a books. No, just talk about Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: you know, which is perfect because he's trying to get
Speaker 1: home for Thanksgiving and she's talking about you know, gobblegobblin.
Speaker 5: What was your reaction the first time if you can
Speaker 5: remember the first time that you saw this film.
Speaker 1: I saw this in the cinema when I was like
Speaker 1: twelve years old, and I was like, oh, hilarious. And
Speaker 1: the swearing, Oh wow, this is a bit naughty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I wasn't I was like, was it
Speaker 5: like did it have even more impact that scene because
Speaker 5: of the swearing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, because it doesn't. It kind of comes out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, like you're not asshole. I think he's mentioned
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I'm not sure if before or
Speaker 1: after this, but it's not a film that leans on it.
Speaker 1: And did they lost their PG rating went to an
Speaker 1: m rating in America because of this this scene. Wow, okay,
Speaker 1: when it's on TV in Australia, it's a poop and
Speaker 1: my poop and that's a poop and that's that's in
Speaker 1: a poop and toyota, which this makes you know, really
Speaker 1: like flipping would have been a better choice, slipping or
Speaker 1: a freaking Oh.
Speaker 5: Just that takes out so much of the poton, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's it. But it's a good because then
Speaker 1: he goes outside and he's immediately aggressive towards the guy
Speaker 1: who's I think trying to be friendly enough. And he says,
Speaker 1: you know, if I wanted the joke, I would follow
Speaker 1: you into the tal and what you take a leak?
Speaker 1: And he gets he gets punched and then he gets
Speaker 1: hitting the balls. And what's nice about it is this
Speaker 1: is Neil trying to get across the country. His way
Speaker 1: of not connecting with people, have not engaged with people,
Speaker 1: of being aggressive, even though we understand why he's been
Speaker 1: that way compared to the way Dell deals with people.
Speaker 1: And we see the contrast and in the end Dell
Speaker 1: nearly he runs him over and they're united.
Speaker 5: That's interesting because you're right, it's like every single turn,
Speaker 5: which I didn't really realize when I was watching it,
Speaker 5: but every single misstep that Neil takes where he goes
Speaker 5: too far and is not the nice guy anymore, he
Speaker 5: gets a certain come up, and so it's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: you can be a dickhead, but you also then will
Speaker 5: have to apologize. We'll be made to feel sorry anyway.
Speaker 5: So that also probably helps with the audience still like
Speaker 5: it him because it's like, yeah, he did that ship thing,
Speaker 5: but he knows it's ship, so it's it's okay now.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that by this stage, the fact
Speaker 1: that he's gone back a few times, I think when
Speaker 1: he helps Dal with these trumpets after the train, you
Speaker 1: probably go, yeah, all right, that was his chance to
Speaker 1: kind of like leave him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's imagine imagine as well at the same time,
Speaker 5: imagine if he didn't imagine if this this film was
Speaker 5: like he was like, no, we're just going to ignore
Speaker 5: Dell with his junk anyway. Off I go like, imagine
Speaker 5: that was this guy.
Speaker 1: And the film probably doesn't get made. And then we
Speaker 1: had that great kind of driving on the highway, you know,
Speaker 1: set peace with the first of all, the breaking of
Speaker 1: the seat, which is again like Johnny does a really
Speaker 1: good job of you know, like you said, when we're
Speaker 1: kind of battling with the idea of like do we
Speaker 1: supposed to, like Neil, of just having Dell provide these
Speaker 1: annoyances that are completely on standable that Neil is a
Speaker 1: bit pissed off with him, like yeah, he broke the
Speaker 1: seat and says the great lines. He says, how can
Speaker 1: you break a car seat? It's impossible? Why do you
Speaker 1: think that's impossible? Things break all the time?
Speaker 5: It's and I have and it is again it's one
Speaker 5: of the more memorable ones, along with the chatty Kathy
Speaker 5: is that whole sequence because it goes for a long time.
Speaker 5: But I don't get my find myself getting too bored
Speaker 5: of that particular scene because the payoff at the end
Speaker 5: when the cars on fire and everything's on fire, and
Speaker 5: like the two of them are just like what is
Speaker 5: life is just so good?
Speaker 1: Yes, so good? And the lines one of my favorite lines.
Speaker 1: And I remember the line I remember the whole movie
Speaker 1: walking Out was you play with your balls a lot.
Speaker 1: I do not play with my balls. He says, you
Speaker 1: need more, you need more, bird, you need more ball
Speaker 1: handling in and out and let them Larry Bird doesn't
Speaker 1: a night, which I liked that great. I watched it
Speaker 1: with my four year olds on oscar last night. I said,
Speaker 1: just watch at a little Boston cell expands. I said,
Speaker 1: watch have a little Larry Bird joke, and then he
Speaker 1: said do you know what I want? And next and
Speaker 1: then John Kenny replies, and the extra set of balls
Speaker 1: and some more fingers, which.
Speaker 5: Is just and again it just goes to show the
Speaker 5: chemistry of those two because I can't really see any
Speaker 5: other combination sort of working as well it works physically.
Speaker 1: Their chemistry is amazed. It's the first time I think
Speaker 1: they'd worked together, and it just seems so natural. You
Speaker 1: can't see the writing, even though there are clearly jokes. Yes,
Speaker 1: you cannot see.
Speaker 5: The one of my favorite things. And I'm not sure
Speaker 5: if it was in the script. It sounds like it
Speaker 5: was because everything that I'm like, well maybe it was
Speaker 5: like improv. It's like been thought about. Is when the
Speaker 5: car's on fire and they're kind of like just fully
Speaker 5: realizing that, or like the car maybe they've pulled over,
Speaker 5: it's not on fire yet, and they've just got out
Speaker 5: of that scene where they were going to get hit
Speaker 5: by the two trucks and they're on the side of
Speaker 5: the highway and Steve Martin or Neil says something like,
Speaker 5: you know you've done this. I can't believe you did
Speaker 5: He did it, and it's like and he starts talking
Speaker 5: to like the universe, being like can you believe it? Yeah,
Speaker 5: and that bit I'm just like, that's a bit I love.
Speaker 5: I'm just like, that's so good.
Speaker 1: Well it's the physical, the really physical Steve Martin and
Speaker 1: then the punch to the gut and then falling over
Speaker 1: because Neil never wins, even though Neil he deserves to
Speaker 1: punch down because what he's actually done, he doesn't actually
Speaker 1: win because he gets the trips over there. So they
Speaker 1: go back to the hotel room. They're not really you know,
Speaker 1: the car is it's a shell of a car. Somehow
Speaker 1: it's still running. But they go back and Neil's had enough.
Speaker 1: He's cutting deal out and that negotiation, the reception about
Speaker 1: the credit card and the watch, and then Dell office
Speaker 1: his Cassio's eight bucks and this.
Speaker 5: Which can I just say the tables have turned. I
Speaker 5: feel that in today economy, especially in the north of Melbourne,
Speaker 5: they'd be like, oh, my god, a Cassio, Yes, you
Speaker 5: can have the chairman suite. It is that's prime economy
Speaker 5: these days.
Speaker 1: You are absolutely right. And then so we have Dale
Speaker 1: sitting out in the snow and it is heartbreaking.
Speaker 5: Like you know, it's just so good. And even before that,
Speaker 5: I want, can we also just take a time to
Speaker 5: appreciate that when they're driving the car, the shell of
Speaker 5: the car that's been on fire and both of them
Speaker 5: like have their fingers stuck to it like it's been
Speaker 5: melted to the actually like like releasing themselves from this.
Speaker 1: Car, the steering wheels being bent over.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's so good. But just seeing him like sitting
Speaker 5: there in the car, it starts snowing and he just
Speaker 5: looks so sad. And that's when he starts talking to
Speaker 5: his wife. Yeah, and it's just that moment of Okay,
Speaker 5: there are reasons. There are reasons for this. They were like,
Speaker 5: this is the confirmation that Dell is lonely and he's
Speaker 5: done it. He's and he's talking to his wife and
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, well, I've done it again, Like you
Speaker 5: always said I was this and I am like unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I'm trying to make a friend.
Speaker 1: And so where were your instincts here because you were
Speaker 1: your spider sensors were up early on. Were you like,
Speaker 1: were you feeling validated? And oh, yes, this is confirmed.
Speaker 5: Extremely smug, extremely smug at this stage, but then also
Speaker 5: sad because I was like, I was like, ah, I
Speaker 5: knew it, and then I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 5: really sad. This is quite poignant. Now he's just trying
Speaker 5: to be loved because he's lost the love of his life. Yes,
Speaker 5: and so he's trying to find that somewhere else. And
Speaker 5: I mean, for better or worse, he's chosen Neil to
Speaker 5: give that to him. Yeah, which it's just is just
Speaker 5: I mean, your choice is dell your choices.
Speaker 1: Well, they invited me. I really love the scene where
Speaker 1: they're drinking. They're drinking the mini bar, and because you
Speaker 1: do see them both having fun, Neil has let his
Speaker 1: guard down. And I think it's important you need you
Speaker 1: need this scene in the movie in the same way,
Speaker 1: you know, it's important that you have Neil go off
Speaker 1: by himself for to test himself, by himself and the audience.
Speaker 1: We need to know that these two need to accomplish this.
Speaker 1: They need each other, yes, to you know, achieve the
Speaker 1: goal and it's a beautiful scene. And let's have a
Speaker 1: little listen to again Dell talking about his wife.
Speaker 8: You know what, I'm dead and buried. I'm gonna have
Speaker 8: around here to prove that I was here with some
Speaker 8: shower curtain rings that didn't fall down.
Speaker 2: Great legacy, huh. At the very least, the absolute minimum.
Speaker 2: Okat a woman you love to grow old with?
Speaker 1: Right, you love her?
Speaker 2: Don't you? Love is not a big enough word. It's
Speaker 2: not a big enough word for oh I feel about
Speaker 2: my wife. To the wives.
Speaker 1: To the wives, Wow, m hmm. So you're you're really
Speaker 1: you are You're high five of yourself at this point.
Speaker 5: Well I was, but at the same time, and I've
Speaker 5: just picked it up. Then it's like again the score
Speaker 5: is so effective because the song that they're listening to there,
Speaker 5: it's like take me home, like back home, And I
Speaker 5: was like, I completely missed that the first time. But
Speaker 5: even that, like that's so lovely, and I mean it
Speaker 5: just goes to show how cynical and and I hold
Speaker 5: grudges because it was like to the wives. I remember
Speaker 5: when I was watching it and I was like, not
Speaker 5: your wife, not your wife.
Speaker 1: Neil, No, Susan Page just really rubbed you up the
Speaker 1: wrong one look the word and.
Speaker 5: The character named Voldemort was tossed around. I was like,
Speaker 5: why does he want to keep coming back to this
Speaker 5: Voldemort to character I don't understand, Like stay with Dell.
Speaker 1: That is so funny. Yeah I I I just I
Speaker 1: love that. So we kind of like this signifies I
Speaker 1: think they're they're back together. They are a team. And
Speaker 1: then they basically they they had the great thing where
Speaker 1: they reverse into the th the whole gup together and
Speaker 1: they make a quick getaway. And again there's the effortless
Speaker 1: delivery of these lines. When John Candy's talking about you know,
Speaker 1: his is like a whopper and he's fitness Like my
Speaker 1: I looked there with my he was laughing and my
Speaker 1: kids aren't big laugh out loud as the movies that
Speaker 1: you know, these smile their way through stuff.
Speaker 5: And again with the success of this film's humor is
Speaker 5: that it is unexpected because for the majority of it,
Speaker 5: I would say it's like it's it's pretty melancholic, like
Speaker 5: it's like, oh yeah, this is this is you know,
Speaker 5: jetting along. But then when the laughs are there, they
Speaker 5: don't miss and you're like laughing out loud. It's not
Speaker 5: like a yeah, it's a no. No, that was that
Speaker 5: was good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean the seeing the freeway. There's almost
Speaker 1: two parts of that, isn't there. There's the the what
Speaker 1: happens at the end, but it's also the going the
Speaker 1: wrong way. I mean that as well, you're going the
Speaker 1: wrong way. He's drunk. How does he know where we're going?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how does he know? I just I love that
Speaker 1: so much. So there's a lovely appearance from Michael Keane
Speaker 1: as the copy pulls them over, which apparently again was longer,
Speaker 1: but it was short.
Speaker 5: And he come with the cameos. The cameo because there's yeah,
Speaker 5: as you said, there's so many of them, but that
Speaker 5: each of them are effective, yes, even though they're very short.
Speaker 1: And the rental woman, we should point out that we
Speaker 1: mentioned before she was in Forrest Buele. She's the receptionist
Speaker 1: in Forrest Buller. And the man who announces that the
Speaker 1: flight has been delayed is the principal in Forrest Bueler
Speaker 1: or not the teacher, you know, the Bueller Bueller, that's him.
Speaker 1: So let's get to the end. And when did you
Speaker 1: so you you had a feeling that there was something
Speaker 1: going on with Nil's sorry Dell's wife, whether they're no
Speaker 1: longer together or she's gone when they separated, when they
Speaker 1: say they're goodbyes, How did you How did you think
Speaker 1: it was going to resolve itself?
Speaker 5: I I think at that stage I just was wondering
Speaker 5: where Dell was going the whole time, and I especially
Speaker 5: towards the end when it is the big reveal does happen?
Speaker 5: I was I was just there being like, why I'm
Speaker 5: still going to Chicago in the first place, Where are
Speaker 5: still going? What's happening to with Dell? What's going on?
Speaker 5: So I just didn't know. I was like, they mustn't.
Speaker 5: They must come back together in some sense, but I
Speaker 5: wasn't sure if that was going to be in that
Speaker 5: moment of Steve Martin staying on the train and Dell's
Speaker 5: on the platform, or if it was going to come
Speaker 5: later and there was going to be like another oh
Speaker 5: fancy seeing you here, like like type moment. I knew
Speaker 5: that they would have to reunite, but I don't necessarily
Speaker 5: thought it was going to be that quick. But we've
Speaker 5: got that resolution because I was there being like, come on,
Speaker 5: come on, Neil, like you can't just leave him with
Speaker 5: his huge trunk and all of this. And there was
Speaker 5: also a moment as a voice in my head being
Speaker 5: like how long is this train going to wait for
Speaker 5: them to board? There's a very long good bar on
Speaker 5: the platform. If I was on the train, like I's
Speaker 5: come on, let's sorry this long place. But I just, yeah,
Speaker 5: I knew that that have to come back, so you
Speaker 5: could be like Neil had to have that redemption moment
Speaker 5: of you know, taking care of Dell, because without knowing it,
Speaker 5: Dell had taken care of him throughout the whole film. Yes,
Speaker 5: but I wasn't. Yeah, I just I wasn't quite sure
Speaker 5: how it was all going to like tie up.
Speaker 1: I think it plays out so beautifully. And this is
Speaker 1: something they found in the edit that it was it
Speaker 1: wasn't written like this. In fact, the shots of Neil
Speaker 1: on the on the train when he's reflecting, the camera
Speaker 1: was just rolling on Steve. He didn't know. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there are some where he kind of maybe you know,
Speaker 1: knew he was being filmed, but a lot of them
Speaker 1: were just react things he was thinking about as they were.
Speaker 1: You know, they kept the camera rolling really because this
Speaker 1: was not part of it. I'm not sure I don't
Speaker 1: know how it played out. I think I am going
Speaker 1: to read the script the scripts on lines, I'm going
Speaker 1: to actually read the screenplay. But yeah, it was something
Speaker 1: they found in the edit, but works so good. I
Speaker 1: think they choose exactly the right moments. It starts with
Speaker 1: the family and he's just like, you know, looking forward
Speaker 1: to getting home. And then he starts thinking of having
Speaker 1: a laugh at the you know, the experiences them spooning
Speaker 1: in bed, and then you know, and then you start
Speaker 1: hearing the audio about the wife, and you kind of
Speaker 1: see Steve Martin realize figuring it out. He goes back
Speaker 1: and finds Delle in the in the train station, which I.
Speaker 5: Think is actually more heartbreaking than if he came back
Speaker 5: on the train and he was still on the platform.
Speaker 5: There's something about him having enough in him like Dell
Speaker 5: to move his belongings from the platform and just but
Speaker 5: the destination is just the station. He doesn't have anywhere
Speaker 5: else to go.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. And I think what he
Speaker 1: said before, I've seen this film thirty maybe more times,
Speaker 1: and I've never questioned where is Delle going? Like he's
Speaker 1: on this journey, Yeah, you know, where is he going?
Speaker 1: And that's it's quite you know. I'm sure maybe a
Speaker 1: lot of people think about that when they're watching the film,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I think John Hughes does a
Speaker 1: good job of not making you think too much about
Speaker 1: that because it's.
Speaker 5: I guess it's you know, it's the trope of he
Speaker 5: is a traveling salesman, right, and so that's that's what
Speaker 5: it is. You just probably led to assume that he's
Speaker 5: like off somewhere else to sell the shet shower curtain rings.
Speaker 5: But it's just it's interesting because the whole point, well,
Speaker 5: the whole time through the movie, you're so focused on
Speaker 5: Neil getting home, like that's his destination. That is like
Speaker 5: almost like you've forgotten that his partner in crime actually
Speaker 5: has nowhere to go. Yeah, so it's like this, it's
Speaker 5: that's the nice switch up where you're like, oh, hang on.
Speaker 5: And that's why I think the reveal works so well.
Speaker 5: When you saw it, because you were twelve or so
Speaker 5: the first time you saw it, what was your reaction
Speaker 5: to that twist? When did you know that something was afoot?
Speaker 1: Because I was twelve when I saw it. I I
Speaker 1: think when you walked in and saw Dell, you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't putting it together before that at all. So
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard for me like to to really
Speaker 1: kind of like re imagine watching it for the first
Speaker 1: time and then knowing if I if I saw it
Speaker 1: as when I would have twigged. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: it's beautifully said that. So I mean, if you're not
Speaker 1: looking for that stuff, you may not find or if
Speaker 1: you're not your spidy senses are as in tune as yours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've spoken to anyone who's actually kind
Speaker 1: of told me that they had worked it out early.
Speaker 5: But was the emotional punch when you were.
Speaker 1: Last night? I was emotional, I said to ask, I said,
Speaker 1: how did you feel at the end of games? It
Speaker 1: was sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And that's why that's the success of this film and
Speaker 5: probably arguably all Buddy road Trip films, right it is
Speaker 5: it's always about the journey, it's not about the destination.
Speaker 5: But then there's an argument with this one that when
Speaker 5: they actually when he brings Dell home, that that's I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't know what happens after that or anything, but
Speaker 5: where the destination actually is. The whole point is because
Speaker 5: now Dell is home. Yes, it has a home. Yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 5: I think it's nice to imagine that there's some assistance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't thought about too much, but for at
Speaker 1: least even if it's for he's going to spend a
Speaker 1: couple of days with the Page family, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's nice and they're probably going to keep in touch.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I So one of the things that was edited was
Speaker 1: there was a much bigger when he goes back to
Speaker 1: the train station, there's a much bigger speech from Dale
Speaker 1: explaining what had happened that his wife died. We do
Speaker 1: hear this eight years ago? I think it was but
Speaker 1: the idea that they couldn't have kids, Oh wow, that
Speaker 1: his parents and in laws were no longer with this,
Speaker 1: so it really was just him and he said, listen,
Speaker 1: around the whole days, you know, I said, I can
Speaker 1: get through most of the year, fine, but it's the
Speaker 1: holidays that really gets to me. So I find I
Speaker 1: tend to cling on to people during the whole all
Speaker 1: of those you were you're having to be the unlucky one.
Speaker 1: So it's really you know, it's I would just.
Speaker 5: Like that as well, because it goes back to what
Speaker 5: we've been talking about. Where he had absolutely nowhere to go.
Speaker 5: Neil only had one place to go but couldn't get there.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And the important thing is that Buddy Movies
Speaker 1: is works really well here is they They always need
Speaker 1: each other. It can't be one one doing all the work.
Speaker 1: You know, you look at things of Elm and Luise,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's twists and turns about who needs
Speaker 1: to more at any given moment. So yes, when they
Speaker 1: when they arrive home, you know, I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: usually a mess when they get home. And then reading that,
Speaker 1: you know what Susan Page is going through, so you
Speaker 1: have different feelings.
Speaker 5: Again, it's like them, but now it makes so much
Speaker 5: more sense, right because the moment in the film. And
Speaker 5: I'd be so interested to hear what your listeners say
Speaker 5: if they watch this, if they had the similar kind
Speaker 5: of vibes that I had, Because when they come home,
Speaker 5: not knowing about the storyline with the potential affair, et cetera,
Speaker 5: et cetera, and her realizing it makes so much more sense.
Speaker 5: The look that she gives John Candy when he walks
Speaker 5: through the door, the relief, oh dell, yeah, gotcha? Like
Speaker 5: so because other before that, and then how she's like
Speaker 5: there and he's there, and everyone's so excited, and then
Speaker 5: she's off in like another room somewhere and I was like, oh, Susan,
Speaker 5: be downstairs, be happy. This is what you've been wanting
Speaker 5: this entire time. It's just like your husband home. And
Speaker 5: yeah that was that for me. Was still so it
Speaker 5: just didn't make sense, but now it does make a
Speaker 5: bit more sense.
Speaker 1: There you go. A couple of fun facts before we
Speaker 1: wind up. We've covered a lot of it moment my
Speaker 1: fun facts which during it, there's a shot of the airplane,
Speaker 1: like a stock shot, and that is the exact same
Speaker 1: shot that you will see in Flying High.
Speaker 5: Oh I love flying with Leslie Nilson. I think the
Speaker 5: right way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, airplane, if you're overseas in Australia flying high, it's
Speaker 1: exactly the same shot.
Speaker 5: I loved those movies like Wrongfully Accused.
Speaker 1: I then make a guard. Top secret is the Zucker
Speaker 1: Brothers doing great work. The If you look at the
Speaker 1: hotel scene, there's a lovely little touch which I hadn't seen.
Speaker 1: I saw this because I did a little bit of
Speaker 1: deep diving. There's a print behind the bed and on
Speaker 1: the side of it, both prints. There's like there's handmarks
Speaker 1: suggesting there's been some kind of sexual activity perhaps or
Speaker 1: maybe maybe a murder horror film or horror film, either
Speaker 1: a pawn or a horror film has taken place hand
Speaker 1: in hand. When Susan Page is waiting and there's she's
Speaker 1: watching the news and it says that the flight out
Speaker 1: of your or the weather he's clearing, and the suggestion
Speaker 1: is if Neil actually had have stayed and not gone
Speaker 1: out of the airport and this waited for the next flight,
Speaker 1: he probably would have gotten home, even the delayed flight,
Speaker 1: he would have gotten home before he actually did. I
Speaker 1: think more. But all the rest of my facts have
Speaker 1: been covered. There's some fans trying to get a movement
Speaker 1: going called release the Hughes Cut, so this they shot
Speaker 1: it all. John Hughes has said it's a lot of
Speaker 1: the film's probably damaged. You know, John Hughes no longer
Speaker 1: with us, but in twenty ten he said a lot
Speaker 1: of the film is probably damaged. Now it's in a
Speaker 1: vault somewhere, who knows where.
Speaker 5: I would be interested in, of course seeing the whole thing,
Speaker 5: because there was also another moment where I'm not sure
Speaker 5: if you've picked it up but when I can't remember
Speaker 5: when it is, I think it's after they essentially destroy
Speaker 5: the motel that they're in with the car, the shelled
Speaker 5: out car. John Candy has a black eye.
Speaker 1: I always kind of thought, to be honest, I don't
Speaker 1: know why I thought this. I thought it was just
Speaker 1: connected to him being hit by Steve Martin after the
Speaker 1: car catches on five. But it clearly hits him in
Speaker 1: the stomach, and there's no reason why he would have
Speaker 1: a black eye from that. But I've never thought about that.
Speaker 1: And then I was in my you know, looking around
Speaker 1: at stuff last night that the people were commented on
Speaker 1: that and they think, possibly that is something that's happened
Speaker 1: that has been interesting.
Speaker 5: Deleted release it, release the cut because I want to know,
Speaker 5: because I was there being like, hang on, have I
Speaker 5: missed something? Who hit poor Dell? My Dell in the face.
Speaker 1: There's a lovely couple of things on YouTube. There's one
Speaker 1: is a press conference with Steve Martin, John Candy, and
Speaker 1: John Hughes when the film's released at an airport, And
Speaker 1: there's also a little dock out that somebody's put together
Speaker 1: about eighteen minutes and it's about the changes to the
Speaker 1: script so check that out. Georgie Tourney, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for watching my favorite film. I hope you didn't
Speaker 1: feel the pressure too much.
Speaker 5: It was, but you know what, I really really enjoyed it,
Speaker 5: and I think that it was so great at its heart,
Speaker 5: the heart of it, the base level. It was so
Speaker 5: lovely to see the chemistry between those two because I
Speaker 5: actually I was trying to think of like chemistry that
Speaker 5: like current modern day actors may have, and I couldn't
Speaker 5: really beat that. And it's such a shame because John
Speaker 5: Candy is no longer with us, But to have that
Speaker 5: moment and have that and see them be like that
Speaker 5: together on screen with something I didn't know existed, But
Speaker 5: I'm very glad that I know now.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think the best reason to release
Speaker 1: the Huese cut, yes, because but I don't think this
Speaker 1: film gets any better. It's I think it's perfect. But
Speaker 1: what I would love to see because particularly because John
Speaker 1: Canny is no longer with this is more of these
Speaker 1: characters together, even if they just released the scenes, if
Speaker 1: they still exists. We had Wake in Fright, which was
Speaker 1: rescued found in the vault somewhere in Pennsylvania or somewhere
Speaker 1: years after and was you know, can we do that
Speaker 1: for planes, Trains and Automobiles? I sincerely hope we can, George.
Speaker 1: This podcast comes with homework. I appreciate you doing it.
Speaker 5: Oh worries, I'm a nerd.
Speaker 1: I love it and go to morons.
Speaker 5: Oh God, what's origin? Don't understand? We don't know her
Speaker 5: this year, we don't know her.
Speaker 1: Thanks mate. Let's have a little sing along on the
Speaker 1: way out. Hey, let's say that it's a little sing along,
Speaker 1: all right?
Speaker 2: Who knows the tone here?
Speaker 4: Who wants to sing a tune?
Speaker 2: Who's got a song? You go on?
Speaker 4: Nail pages, got one.
Speaker 1: Three coins and a fountain.
Speaker 4: Each one seeking happy?
Speaker 3: You know, there's seeking happiness.
Speaker 5: Stones flintstones from this story.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to do this episode. Finally somebody nominated Planes,
Speaker 1: Trains and Automobiles. Georgie Toney, a rising superstar. You would
Speaker 1: have seen my A B C. She hosted the project
Speaker 1: last week in my leeds absence. She she absolutely nailed it.
Speaker 1: She came in and you know, it's one thing to
Speaker 1: sit on at the end of the desk, but when
Speaker 1: you've got to sit in those middle seats and you're
Speaker 1: driving the show. It's a whole new thing, and she
Speaker 1: did not miss a beat. She is fantastic. I love
Speaker 1: hanging out with her and really loved loved her take
Speaker 1: on planes, trains and automobiles. She did tell me after
Speaker 1: we got off air that her and her partner, she's
Speaker 1: realized that she is the Niel of the of the
Speaker 1: relationship and her partner Rob is the is Adell Griffith
Speaker 1: where everything just ends up being fine and in those
Speaker 1: people and you know, yeah, so that was that was
Speaker 1: funny to hear. Thank you, Georgie. We want to hear
Speaker 1: from you at Yasney podcast at gmail dot com. Do
Speaker 1: you love planes, trains and automobiles as much as I do?
Speaker 1: Did you watch it for the first time because of
Speaker 1: the podcast? If I hear from people who I've introduced planes,
Speaker 1: trains and automobiles too, that will be a compliment that
Speaker 1: I'll take to the grave. I love this film so much.
Speaker 1: Yasney Podcasts at gmail dot com. Derek, have you seen
Speaker 1: Playing Strange and Momabils?
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, indeed, but seeing it again was a whole
Speaker 7: nother matter. Once again, at my age, you know, you
Speaker 7: always sort of connect a film with what you were
Speaker 7: feeling at the time and how But the great thing
Speaker 7: about this podcast is especially for me, but also all
Speaker 7: the listeners, I think, is revisiting some things as well
Speaker 7: and getting to hear about them from the eyes of
Speaker 7: people that haven't seen him before, and therefore seeing sort
Speaker 7: of inside what was going on, not just how it
Speaker 7: related to what's happening with you. Like for me, that
Speaker 7: scene in the motel where Steve Martin's being very very
Speaker 7: rude to John Candy. During that scene, I you know,
Speaker 7: I was I was him, I was John Candy, and
Speaker 7: I was going, oh my god, is that me?
Speaker 5: That is me?
Speaker 7: I'm annoying us talk too much?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: And then the response, yeah, that's right. So as he
Speaker 1: went through that whole journey with.
Speaker 7: Him being someone who's loud and obnoxious.
Speaker 1: I think that that scene is one of the great
Speaker 1: comedy scenes, but not just because it's funny, because of
Speaker 1: the you know, the melancholy in it as well and
Speaker 1: the sadness. It's a real rollercoaster that scene.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it so much. I really love this movie,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that we are able to bring some
Speaker 1: light to it. If you haven't seen it, really check
Speaker 1: it out. It's it is awesome, and maybe we should
Speaker 1: get the release the Hughes cut Tunding, and then there's
Speaker 1: somebody on YouTube trying to do that. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how much traction it's got, but I would love to see.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and read the longest screenplay. I'm
Speaker 1: sure I can download it on the internet. But if
Speaker 1: I think it's universal, if universal have the extra scenes
Speaker 1: of playing strange, in order to be able to see
Speaker 1: some more John Candy, and not necessarily to even I
Speaker 1: think the film's pretty perfect. I don't necessarily have this
Speaker 1: desire to see another, you know, to our cut of it,
Speaker 1: but it'd be lovely to see this more scenes of
Speaker 1: these two incredible comedy performers, performers maybe at their peak,
Speaker 1: performing together. That would be great. Yasny podcast at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. Let us know what you think of the podcast,
Speaker 1: any questions you have, anything we get wrong. We have
Speaker 1: a great community of people who are always very generous
Speaker 1: when we let us know, a very kind and gentle
Speaker 1: when let us know that you know we got a
Speaker 1: fact wrong. I remind everyone that we are our guests.
Speaker 1: Come on, not as experts for these films. It's a film.
Speaker 1: They are literally just watched and they are processing the
Speaker 1: film as they watch it. Often I'm doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: not necessarily with today's episode, but yeah, it's fun. What
Speaker 1: are some of the things our listeners can do, Derek
Speaker 1: to help support the podcast and get it, you know,
Speaker 1: get our algorithms, you know, really kind of mixing and matching.
Speaker 7: Well, the first the first thing to do is to
Speaker 7: actually put a five star review on Apple if you
Speaker 7: think it's worth it, which I think it is, I
Speaker 7: think you'll agree five stars. Just to click the five stars.
Speaker 7: Say something nice that really helps get it to other people.
Speaker 7: Tell your friends, have a little chat, drop some comments
Speaker 7: and interact.
Speaker 1: Drop an email, yes, any podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Absolutely next week on the show. I'm so excited we
Speaker 1: have one of the absolute, i say, rising stars of
Speaker 1: Australian television. I think she has ascended to the top
Speaker 1: of the Australian entertainment landscape in a really you know,
Speaker 1: short amount of time. She is one of the judges
Speaker 1: of Master Chef Australia and, like I said, one of
Speaker 1: the real breaths of fresh air on our screens in
Speaker 1: recent years. Melissa Lyon will be joining us next week
Speaker 1: on You ain't seen nothing yet, Melissa. I like, we
Speaker 1: we have basically spoken on screen a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: in between, maybe in an interview while we're waiting to
Speaker 1: do an interview. We haven't really hung out ever before.
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna like, I think, well, I know
Speaker 1: I'm going to enjoy hanging out with her. Hopefully she
Speaker 1: enjoys hanging out with me. But I think she is
Speaker 1: such a massive talent, and she will be reviewing and
Speaker 1: not reviewing. It's on a review she'll be watching for
Speaker 1: the very first time a classic at nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: a watershed film. It's When Harry Met Sally, starring Billy
Speaker 1: Crystal and Meg Ryan, directed by Rob Reiner, written by
Speaker 1: Nora Efron. There's so much I love about this film.
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to see how it feels all these
Speaker 1: years later. It'd be really fascinated to get Melissa's take
Speaker 1: on that film When Harry Met Sally next week and
Speaker 1: you ain't seen nothing yet until then, Abye, and so
Speaker 1: we leave old Pete save man sul and to our
Speaker 1: friends of the radio audience, we've been a pleasant good
Speaker 1: name