1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hello, as promised, We've got a few crimboeps coming out 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: for you. That's my word for Christmas and today, I 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: would say is probably one of my favorite guests ever, 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Owen Teal. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: He was in Malbs last year doing. 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: A Christmas Carol and I just bit the bullet and 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: asked to interview him and thought I'd get to know 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: when I got a yes, and so that's why we 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: were able to have this sit down. Beautiful human, so kind, 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: so lovely and very like giving with his energy. You'll 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: feel that and you'll hear this in the chat now. 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: He also teaches us a beautiful Welsh world word which 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: is all about the joy and the spirit of Christmas. 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: If you are in Malbs right now. 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: A Christmas Carol is still on or is on again 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: this year at the Comedy Theater in Melbourne. Owen Teal 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: is not in it this year, but I just wanted 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: to make mention of it because it's such a great 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: play and I hope you can go and see it, 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: and if not, please listen to this app and I 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: hope it fills up your Christmas cup wherever you are 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: in the world listening to this big love get a 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional overshaer. 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: our blind spots. 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: Each week, I'll interview a different guest about their highs 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: as well as their lows, all. 29 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: In a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to the pod. 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: I am so excited about today's podcast. 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to be really honest with you. 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: I didn't expect it to come through and I'm so 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: wrapped that it just happened, and it was one of 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: those experiences that I will absolutely cherish forever. Today's guest 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: is the wonderful Owen Teal, incredible Welsh actor, and I 37 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: was so lucky to be invited to the opening night 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: of a play that he's in Melbourne called a Christmas 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: Carol and he plays Scrooge and it is this beautiful 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: story about humanity and about facing our past and how 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: the past can affect the future and the present as well, 42 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: and it's just such a beautiful Christmas story, one for 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: the whole fam. And when I got invited to this 44 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: opening night, I responded and said, oh, is there any 45 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: way I can interview Owen Teale. I'm a massive Game 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: of Thrones fan, and they were like, oh, you know, 47 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: all these media commitments are done. 48 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: We'll try, we'll try. And I was like, ah, if 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: this is going to pull off, and it pulled off. 50 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: And he is the most wonderful human being, so giving, 51 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: so kind and honest and humble, like this is a 52 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: Tony Award winning actor. And you know, if you are 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: a Game of Thrones fan like me, he plays the 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: iconic and villainous Sir Alistair Thorn from Game of Thrones, 55 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: and he shared so many stories about you know, all 56 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: of it, like theater, movies, tally and just so honestly, 57 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: and he's very very funny as well. There's some fantastic 58 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: stories that I just hope you're driving along listening to this, 59 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: or walking or whatever, you're on a flight listening to this, 60 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, my goodness, I hope you 61 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: just burst out laughing because he was such a joyous 62 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: human being to sit down with and so so giving, 63 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: to the point that even when I got to give 64 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: him a hug goodbye, and I would nearly got got 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: teary because he's just so his spirit is so kind 66 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: and his heart is so kind, and you know when 67 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: you're around those people, they just kind of like fill 68 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: you up and make you feel so seen and yeah, 69 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: incredible human. I will cherish this episode forever and I 70 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: hope that you love it as well, and I hope 71 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: it inspires you to connect and connect but also like 72 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: honor your passion and honor your calling. And if you're 73 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: in Melbourne, please go and see a Christmas Carol. It's 74 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: on till January seventh. It's actually had to extend because 75 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: it's so popular and it is just such a great 76 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: night out to get you into the Chrissy spirit. And 77 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: I think the kids are gonna love it as well. 78 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: And the production values are amazing. It's just it's magical. 79 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: It's pure magic. And please do yourself a favor and 80 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: see it. And beautiful Owen, thank you so much for 81 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: sharing an afternoon with me and doing this pod. It 82 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: means more than you know. You are absolutely wonderful. Welcome 83 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: to the pod, Owen Teale, Thank you for having me. 84 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: Do you know you have one of my favorite voices. 85 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: In the world. Oh, you're so kind. Thank you. It's 86 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: obviously fashioned out over my experiences. 87 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: Well like grab it out like you've got this, oh 88 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: you lucky thing. 89 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: Well, it's very strange because a lot of people ask 90 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: back home that is it something to do with where 91 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: you come from? Because I come from a place called 92 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: Paul Tolbert and that is where Michael Sheen, Anthony Hopkins. 93 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: I did do a Google. 94 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 3: Yeah you did all this. I'm Richard Burton. Yeah you know. 95 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 3: And so you think, well, there is something going on 96 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: with all these voices, and but I don't really understand 97 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: what it can be. Don't ask me. It must be 98 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: in the water. 99 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: I think since having a pod, I get so excited 100 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: when I get to hear someone's voice. I'm like, oh, 101 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: that's going to be fantastic. So first of all, I 102 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: have to say, yeah, I went. I went to see 103 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: Christmas Carol last night. Absolutely loved it. You did, so 104 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: what did you have so much fun? It seems like 105 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: and two sotuanding ovations last night we were all just 106 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: we were drinking it up. 107 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's designed, it's beautiful. It's a 108 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: real alchemy of a show that the writing, the direction, 109 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: and the musical arrangement. Those Carols. I won a Tony Award. 110 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 3: But I mean, you know it's up against musical, the 111 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: original scores and this is an arrangement of Christmas Carols. 112 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: Incredible, so incredible. Okay, so I want to talk everything 113 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve start. Let's kick off straight away. So last 114 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: year you were Scrooge at the Old Vick, right, and 115 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 1: I've heard that you bought your costume with you from Yes, 116 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: this is a really weird question, but I feel like 117 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: actors a costume shoes like kind of help form choices. 118 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: Was it quite special for you to bring that same costume. 119 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: Very much, very much, very much helped by the wonderful 120 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: designer Rob Howell. He knew that, so he put that 121 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: into action that to recover the bits that were mine 122 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: to come here. Because you're building a world and you 123 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: know you're playing a character that is sort of anti matter. 124 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: He's against the show. He doesn't want it to happen. 125 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: So you have to build you know, your armor around 126 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: you to go into battle even though you know you're 127 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: going to it was in the end and give it 128 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: up for a good time. 129 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: How cool it was the first thing I thought when 130 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: I saw you because the I don't know, what's that like? 131 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: It's not a keep. It's like that over Cody. 132 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the overcoat, and then there's this with you. 133 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you know, and I was like, oh, that 134 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: would totally affect choices as an actor. I nerd out 135 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: over actors, by the way, just to give. 136 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: You the heads up. 137 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: So if this this was written one hundred and eighty 138 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: years ago, right originally Charles Dickens, Yeah, what do you 139 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: think makes it so incredbly There's something it's there's something 140 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: so like it doesn't matter. 141 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty. 142 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: Years later it hit it's still bits of it hit 143 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: us in the heart, and it's this especially screwged. Your 144 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: character goes from this beautiful arc and quite a transformation. 145 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: What do you think it speaks to to today's audience. 146 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think it hasn't. The point is it hasn't 147 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: been disproved. So it's been around for all these years, 148 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: and each time you come back to it, you relearn 149 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: or learn for the first time something that you need 150 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: for your life. So that's why it's still with us. 151 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: It's been revived in this particular version so beautifully by 152 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: Jack Thorn. So he has addressed certain things that he 153 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: wants to say about life now without so he's leaning 154 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: into Charles Dickens and taking a bit of his space. 155 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: But I think, you know, I would hope that Charles 156 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: Dickens would say, wow, that's pretty good. Do you know what? 157 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: That is pretty good? 158 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, i'll tell you what. Last night it felt pretty. 159 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: Good because look, he's created a character. And this is 160 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: why it's so real now, is that he's not a 161 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: two dimensional cartoon of a miser in a in a 162 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: nightcap and a candle and all those things. It's about 163 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: a man who has become a monster, and it will 164 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: tell you along the way, without slowing the story down, 165 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: how he became that monster, and you will relate to 166 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: that story because the values that made him that monster 167 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: we all have to deal with. 168 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, big time. 169 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: I think it was so powerful, Like not to give 170 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: too much way, but like at the very beginning the 171 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: Ghost of Past, I was like, oh it was so 172 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 1: nice because I almost felt like there was almost a 173 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: very therapeutic quality to watching your character go through and 174 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: having to face uncomfortable go back and sit with and 175 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: face these uncomfortable things that have happened and as a 176 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: result shaped his choices in life. I heard you right 177 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: before we hit record on here say that sometimes in 178 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: the theater, the audience has such an impact on how 179 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: a show feels. 180 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 2: How did it feel last night? 181 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: Because as an audience member, last night, it felt like 182 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: we were part of the whole experience. 183 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: And it was this almost spiritually you know what I mean. 184 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it did get a bit. It did for me 185 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: because you know, you put it out and then you 186 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: get a bit back from the audience, and so you 187 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: then take it on and you get more. And then 188 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: you think, as an older actor like me, you mustn't 189 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: let an audience take control. If you allow them to 190 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: laugh too much, you'll interrupt the flow and the narrative 191 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 3: will will start to come down the land. You got 192 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: to keep it in the air. You've got to keep 193 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: it going. Look, the short version is it couldn't have 194 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: gone better. Yeah, last night. 195 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: It felt so I'm one of those people that get 196 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: I get quite emotional when I go to the theater 197 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: because it's like you get to touch our hearts and 198 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: that's what's so cool about theater and like and I 199 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: love like movies and TV shows. I think they have 200 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: a different kind of escapism quality. But there's something about 201 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: the theater where you get to be changed in that moment. 202 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: With all that, it's a collective completely is and that's 203 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: the I think that's one of the magical things about theater, right, Yeah. 204 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: That's why I do it. It's the drug that gets 205 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: me up. And that's why I'm here. I've traveled all 206 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: this way because I believe in this show very much. 207 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: And so at the point when Scrooge actually then interacts 208 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: with the audience, he comes into the moment, he's in 209 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: the same he's on the same page as the audience. 210 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: You get to literally be amongst them. It's like a 211 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: camaraderie or extraordinary collective experience. 212 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for last night. 213 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: I have to say you were phenomenal, as was the 214 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: whole cast. 215 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: Look, you know, he's coming on and he's trying to 216 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: disprove what Christmas is supposed to be. You know, he says, 217 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: what is it but a time for paying bills without money. 218 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: It's a time for finding yourself a year older and 219 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: not one hour richer, and you know, these things pain 220 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: and people go. He's got a point, and I you know, 221 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: maybe we need people like that as well to balance. 222 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: You know, everything is in balance, is in a state 223 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: of balance, and it's just that he's gone too far. 224 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: He's in a That's what I mean by monster. It's 225 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: something as the balance has gone. 226 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: But isn't it beautiful then to get to watch him? Yeah, 227 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: like go through this? Can I ask a very practical question. 228 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: You must have to be stay quite fit and healthy 229 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: because there's a point where you run around the whole 230 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: or like bought the Stall's part, and I was like, 231 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, and I'm imagining you're doing what eight 232 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: shows a week? 233 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 3: Ye, that's a lot, it is, And every time it 234 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: comes up, I think, am I really going to run 235 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 3: now around? Yeah? I'm doing it, and yeah I'm coming through. 236 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 3: But I think that's the you we know by then 237 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 3: if it's worked, we are greater than the sum of 238 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: the parts in the room. And that is this amazing 239 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: Australian cast. They can sing, dance, instruments, pick up each 240 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 3: other's instruments and start playing them a clog dance? What 241 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: more do you want? And they're wonderful actors. 242 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could The thing that I loved most 243 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: I noticed that this especially with Well I was watching everyone, 244 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: but I could see it in Bernie Curry's face, there's 245 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: like a passion for being in that moment on that stage, 246 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: sharing this energy, and there's you. 247 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: Could just the whole jaw that is that. I was like, Oh, you're. 248 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: Meant to be there, right and this is like it 249 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: feels like that with you as well. 250 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: But I just remember thinking that person't really look like 251 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 252 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: An amazing performer, an amazing kind of heart, a generous 253 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: thing that can fill a room with this smile. 254 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, how lucky gift. So I just want to ask 255 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more about theater because I think I 256 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: you've had such an incredible theater career, and I know 257 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: you're a bit of a Shakespeare nerds all you've done something? 258 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: Did you do four years of the real Shakespeare? But 259 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: I listened to this podcast it's called play Crush, and 260 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: you talked all about Macbeth and your love for Macbeth 261 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: and it made me feel completely and I was like, 262 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: I got to read Macbeth again, like I need to record. 263 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: And so you've had such an incredible theatrical career. 264 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: Is there any moments that stand out to you aside? 265 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: I definitely want to talk of course about a Doll's 266 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: House and Tony, But like at there are moments where 267 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: you're just like, oh yeah, like the way you were 268 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: saying last night, there's this alchemy kind of thing that happens. 269 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: But you've done Macbeth, You've done I've got a. 270 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: Whole list here, No Man's Land. That looked like a fun. 271 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: One with McKellen. Yeah, Patrick Stewart, Yeah, yeah, yeah, really 272 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: was that was like? That was that was like being 273 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: part of a the most famous circus in the world. 274 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: And we went on tour and whenever we talk you to, 275 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: you know, they would there would be literally people like 276 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: an entourse forming and people falling and coming in and saying, 277 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: day here, come into the square. They're about to begin, 278 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: you know. And and there's these these two guys who 279 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: were just legends. 280 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: And did you have to hide Ian behind your jacket 281 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: one day lading at a stage door show? 282 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: Was that a different? Was that? 283 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? We came here with that. We came to Sydney. 284 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: It was a dance of Death by Striinberg and Ian 285 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: myself and Francis still a tour was an amazing actress 286 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: and we came here. It's twenty years ago and so 287 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: it was the third of the Lord of the Rings film. 288 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: Oh, there we go. 289 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: So he was just enomy. It was enormous and there 290 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: would be these crowds of people outside the stage door. 291 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: It was in London, and as we came out, and 292 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: not a lot of them had seen the show. They 293 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: were just they just knew Gandalf was going to be there, 294 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: and so he would be sort of funerable. If they've 295 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: bought a ticket, then that will be very nice. I'd 296 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 3: like to say thank you to them, but if they haven't, 297 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: then I'm not really interested. So I said, okay, well 298 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people out there. He said, so 299 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: so let's go for supper and you go out and 300 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: I'll come behind you. And you're very big, and he had, 301 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: you know, and he had his flat cap on and 302 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: his coat and said right, are you ready? And he 303 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: went yes. So how we go. We go through the 304 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 3: store and it works. At first. Nobody's interested in me. 305 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: This is pregame of Thrones. Yeah, just no problem at all. 306 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: So they're looking around me as I'm pushing influence. Excuse me, 307 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 3: excuse me, and he has tucked in behind me. It's 308 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: going to head down. Whereupon I am confronted as I 309 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 3: the parting of the sea, and in front of me 310 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 3: is Gandalf life sick life size, if it's a little 311 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: bit bigger than me, and he's staring at me saying, 312 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: you know, lunge Alpa in this pose. He's looking at 313 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: me like, I think this is incredible and it stops me. 314 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: So Ian bumps into the back and what what And 315 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: I just I'm afraid exposing and and say I'm sorry, 316 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: but you know there's somebody you might know. He looks up, 317 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 3: he looks up at himself as Gandalf, and the man 318 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: is standing there with the big shoppy pens ready and 319 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: says Stewie and he's got him now, and he says, 320 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: could you sign it please? And he is not very 321 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: happy and looking at this and he's wondering the provenance 322 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 3: of this cut. Where's this guy got this from? You know, 323 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: it's an exhibition or only something's gone somewhere, you know, promotion, 324 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 3: And so so he goes he grabs the pen and 325 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: he says to whom and chefs sorry, he says, true whom, 326 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: what's your name? He says, no, no, could you just 327 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: sign it? And of course Ian knows and we all 328 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: know that it's worth far more he doesn't put a 329 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: name on it. The guy can put a ticket onto eBay, 330 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: of course if he wants to. So the guy says, no, no, no, 331 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: could you just sign it? 332 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: It's just no. 333 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 3: True, you have a name, so good of course. Now 334 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 3: there's a huge crowd, now. 335 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: So good. Did he win out in the end? Did 336 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: you put a name? 337 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, he did, he put a name. But you know, 338 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 3: but but we kind of lost because then we were 339 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: surrounded by Gandalf lovers. 340 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: So funny it was. 341 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: It was surreal, totally Syria and surreal Syria and surreal. 342 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: So I have to say, I imagine a Tony nineteen 343 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: ninety seven adult's house. Yeah, that's got to be a 344 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: pinch yourself moment. 345 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yet again it's I think when these pinship moments happen, 346 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: you're not really in control of them. And that's part 347 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: of the wisdom is to learn to live with that. 348 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 3: So you just accept it because you get so many 349 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: things that don't work out, so much failure along the way, 350 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 3: and you know, you try to keep those things in 351 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 3: your head like, well it's just failed better next time, 352 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: and but you you keep going and and then something 353 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 3: does really take off. And that was that was a 354 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 3: case in point. I mean, it did well in London 355 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: and it transferred, but there was something about the heat 356 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 3: of it and the New yorkmonians and they got so involved. 357 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: So the winning award didn't feel like it was something 358 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: that I'd been the architect of. It was. I just 359 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: happened to be the vessel that it was happening to 360 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: because I would I don't know if you know the. 361 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: Play, but yeah, yeah, yeah, and you your co actress 362 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: also like why and the play one? 363 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: The play one? 364 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible, I. 365 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 3: Know, I know for a Nibsen you know, get about 366 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 3: hundred and forty years older on Broadway, you know, and 367 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: there was just it just was the big hit of 368 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: that of that year. But it's it just sparked so 369 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: much debate between men and women. Yeah, of course, you 370 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: know when he's been rather brutal to her when she 371 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: when she says I'm going to leave, and he says, 372 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: is in a way you will leave and your children? 373 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: And you know, because he hasn't had a drink, he 374 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 3: hasn't gone off with another woman. Yeah, he hasn't tacked 375 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 3: any of those boxes, So how can you call me 376 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 3: a monster? And she says, I'm going because I don't 377 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: know who I am. There's so many women and in 378 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 3: the audience, and he does shout a bit and get 379 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: a bit male, and and she goes off into the 380 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: room and he says, instead of saying, he says, you 381 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 3: shouldn't have pushed me. You see what happens when you 382 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 3: push me. And a woman on the front row stood up, 383 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 3: and I was sitting really near the front of the stage, 384 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 3: and she stood up and she said, you bestart. And 385 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: I looked at her because I was sitting down and 386 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: she wasn't that much lower than me by the time 387 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 3: she'd stood up, And I thought, if I engaged now 388 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: with this, I'm trying to talk to her, the play's gone. Yeah, 389 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: I've just got to write it out. And then the 390 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: nasher came along and grabbed a hold event she was 391 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 3: so upset. She clearly had an experience. 392 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would and a. 393 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: Sort of gaslighting thing where the man then starts to say, 394 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 3: why did you do that? It's your fault. 395 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: How incredible that theater can do that, though, well, exactly 396 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: that's I mean, it would have been a very confronting 397 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: experience I imagine for you in the moment, in quite 398 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: a light, heavy, Yeah. 399 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: Play it's about collaboration. You know, I'm not going to 400 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: come out I'm not a one at any point in 401 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 3: this going to say yeah, because you know what, I'm 402 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 3: pretty good. It's it's there's lots of people who are 403 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: pretty good. Yeah, it's about chemistry. It's about collaboration, and 404 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: then something happens between people that's much greater than the 405 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 3: two can manufacture on their own. 406 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: And that comes back to that, like you're a conduit 407 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: or vessel and it's something yeah, happens to you. Yeah, 408 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: it's like that they say in a theater. Director said 409 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: to me once, it's like when an angel walks upon 410 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: upon the stage. There's this moment where there's just such 411 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: alchemy that you're just like, that's bigger than me. I'm 412 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: just here completely enjoying completely. 413 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty phenomenal. 414 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Like I said, I could go Banana's asking you 415 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: the theatery stuff. I just you mentioned failure just then, 416 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: and I heard this brilliant quote from you, and I 417 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: love it, and I just think I ah a fair 418 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: fee actors, directors, writers on this show and for a 419 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: young actor. 420 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: If they heard this, I think they'd be like. 421 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's if you can survive the moments when 422 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: things don't go. 423 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 2: Your way, you can make it. 424 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: And it's that like surviving the failure, the setbacks and 425 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: not backs, because I imagine you've had them along the way. 426 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 3: Full of it, full of my I feel like I'm 427 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: free falling in failure because failure is what you have 428 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: in your head of what success might be. That's the 429 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 3: equation that can go wrong. If you can learn from 430 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 3: your mistakes, because you know what you were aiming at 431 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 3: and you haven't got there, a something else will appear. 432 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 3: You must be open and ready to adapt. The readiness 433 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: is all you know. That's a hamlet thing, you know. 434 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: That's it's so much is chance. So the chance will 435 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: at times fall your way. But if you're not ready, 436 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: if you can't recognize that and seize it, then you'll 437 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: miss the energy. You'll bump down again, whereas if you 438 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: pick it up, you can actually keep that energy up 439 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 3: and you will have a greater energy to write the 440 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 3: next Yeah, not back. 441 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: Of course. 442 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. I like the readiness, and it's the readiness is 443 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 3: all you know, and that's why you're right. I do 444 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: have to keep as fit as I can at my age, 445 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 3: and I'm not party too heavily. 446 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: You know, I was Opening Night last night. Friend. I 447 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: hope you had a little celebratory. 448 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 3: I had a little celebratory, but I did not hang 449 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: one on, as they say I have done in my past. 450 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 3: I'm no stranger to do that, but I did not. 451 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 3: I was tired and I ended up talking to people 452 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 3: who are far more drunk than me. And do you 453 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 3: know that feeling? What do you think? Oh? Yeah, I'm 454 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: not sure you're making any sense. 455 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: I'm kind of like that's the perfect time too. 456 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 457 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: So can I just say you have been such a 458 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: joy to research, because there's such a fun body of work. 459 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: Like I was watching Line of Duty and then I'm 460 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: watching a Discovery of Witches. 461 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: Oh how fun, so much fun, and then I mean, 462 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: of course Game of Thrones, but the rig. 463 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 2: I love the thing I love about this. 464 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: Actually, before I talk about that, I watched a movie 465 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: two nights ago and I cried five times in it, Dreamhorse. 466 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: What a great film. 467 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: And your character Daisy had this like because we know 468 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: you was like often the villain right in some things. 469 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: But like that, I was like, no, you're like the 470 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 2: soften like you hold space for other characters. 471 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously stuff with strength, because that's your whole it's 472 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: thank you. 473 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: Yes, And I I was very very touch starts to 474 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: winner what the club aboutter comery? For I was recognized. 475 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 3: Do you know I think, as I'm talking to you 476 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: now that when I say there's so much failure on it, 477 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: the whole thing is I think that my idea of 478 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 3: success as a young person was somebody who was like 479 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: a like a typical Hollywood legend Carry Grant or something. 480 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 3: So you don't look like Carry Grant, so the world 481 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: is not going to accept you as Carry Grant. So 482 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 3: you feel your failing all the time. But I've always 483 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: been able to say, well, well what else is there? 484 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: Maybe I could audition for this other part. And I've 485 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 3: learned an awful lot more about life by playing some 486 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: of the darker characters and finding that I could do that, 487 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 3: and that being recognized, and and that's you know, those 488 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 3: shows becoming success full of times obviously Game of Thrones, 489 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 3: and then that giving you greater opportunity, the more more voices. Yeah, 490 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 3: but never really playing the out and out handsome hero 491 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: anymore I did when I was very young. 492 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: I feel like everything you play that is like yes, 493 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: so yes to talk about Yeah, Line of Duty and 494 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, there's there's like a villainous quality today. 495 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: I imagine that'd be a bit of fun. 496 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun because if you're the if 497 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 3: you're the dark side of a story, a you'll get 498 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: tremendous dialogue. You'll get great lines. Everybody knows that, but 499 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: the best lines of the devils. But but what you'll 500 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: also get is you will get your moment in the 501 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 3: sun because the story needs it, It needs the opposition, 502 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: that's the drama. So if you're playing one of the 503 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 3: guys who's just in the office in the background and 504 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 3: you know is well meaning guy and he comes in 505 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 3: and out and he's got quite a lot of scenes, 506 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: you won't have as much impact on the story as 507 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 3: if your dark force, because you've got to have they've 508 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 3: got to deal with The story has got to deal 509 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 3: with it, and you're often there in order to make 510 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 3: somebody look heroic and beautiful like Kitt Harrington is Jon Snow, do. 511 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: You know when you said yes to this part? I 512 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: said to my boyfriend, I call him Boss. I was like, Boss, 513 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: we're watching Game of Thrones. 514 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: He goes, how much. I go from the start again. 515 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: So we do every night. 516 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: We've set it up and well it was it's He's like, 517 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: we're really. 518 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: Going to strap in. This is a commitment. 519 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: But I guess there are so the thing that I 520 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: love about your character in Game of Thrones, Aster Thorne. 521 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: You get these moments of like you've said it. 522 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: You know that Henry the fifth kind of moment where 523 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: you know you're all these even I love your last 524 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: lines like. 525 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: It's it's I thought I lost, and. 526 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: No I die and he accepts that. You know, he 527 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 3: has an ethos that you can buy into because he 528 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: is he makes the world very black and white. And 529 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 3: those people are very very powerful. They may be lying 530 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: to you, but they they're easy to follow and they 531 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: say to you, don't think, just feel and come with me. 532 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 3: I know, and it's it's amazingly powerful. And everybody's in 533 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 3: interview situations just like this will say, you know, how 534 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: does it feel to be to be hated? But I don't. 535 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: I can't. That's not what I guess I think. 536 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: But I think also your character died in honor, yeah, 537 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: because even at that stabbing moment, it was for the watch, right. 538 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 3: For the watch. If there's three words I've had to 539 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 3: say more in my life. 540 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: I have to ask this, and I I like, as 541 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: I asked this, I asked I reckon five of my closes. 542 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: I said to my mom, my dad, my wifriends, like, 543 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: can I ask this question? But I heard you share 544 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: on a podcast the most the funniest story I think 545 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: I've ever heard about a colonoscopy. 546 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 547 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: You don't have to if you don't want to. But 548 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: it's the sorry in the. 549 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 3: World, of course I will. Look, you've met me now 550 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: for a few minutes. You kind of know where we are. 551 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 3: I don't really, it's all open. So yeah, it's a 552 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: few years ago now, and they did this this kind 553 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: of big wide sweeping program. Right, anybody over the age 554 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: of fifty five, you've got to have a colonoscopy. We're 555 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: going to you know, improve the figures on this. So 556 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 3: went yeah, because my dad, Yeah, colonic cancer. Absolutely, So 557 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: off I trod down to the local hospital. And I've 558 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: been once before for colonoscopy because of this worry about 559 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 3: my dad, probably about five years previously, but it had 560 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: been a in a private, you know situation. So you 561 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 3: have all the nice touches. 562 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: Did you get sedated for the first. 563 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 3: Mildly, very mildly lovely bit of something to take the edge. 564 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: Of because here you get knocked out. Just so you know, 565 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: in Australia you're completely slake. 566 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: Okay, No, I think I can remember it. But it 567 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 3: was a very pleasant memory and got it. When you 568 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 3: think about what's happening to you, that's amazing, of course, 569 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 3: but on this occasion, of course, no. I tell them 570 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: at the hospital next and it's like a cattle market. 571 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 3: They're just opening doors, men going through, filing through, fighting through. 572 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: And then they said to me, I'm sorry, but there's 573 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: no more changing room space, but we've got this. You 574 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: wouldn't mind, would you? And I thought it would be 575 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 3: in the in the loo, never mind, and it was. 576 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: It was a janitor's cupboard. It's a caretaker's cupboard and 577 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: there was a mop and a bucket. And I said, don't, 578 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 3: whatever you do, not at this point in your career 579 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: start saying things like you realize who I am? You know? No, no, no, no, no, 580 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: just do it. Just so I get undressed to put 581 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 3: on the funny the gown, you know, buttons up at 582 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: the back and you put on these funny little sort 583 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 3: of see through shorties and it's sold a bit. Okay, okay, 584 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 3: here we go, so take me in. Nothing, no hint 585 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 3: of any sort of joke of what's going on, Very serious, serious, 586 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 3: And I said, I mentioned the anesthetist, any chance of 587 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: They said, oh no, we haven't got time for that. 588 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 3: I said, oh, brutalless, it's going to be brutal. And 589 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 3: they said, don't worry, you know, so why we're professionals, 590 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: and I said, yeah, yeah, of course. So there I am, 591 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 3: and I can lie on the bed and nurses going 592 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: around and I adopt the fetal position, and his his 593 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: nibs is standing at one end of me, and I'm 594 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: taking a look at him and making sure I can 595 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 3: see what he's up to. And then he says, okay, 596 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: now this is this is all it is. It's long, 597 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's a wire. It's quite quite firm, and 598 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 3: I'll be able to put I said, just do it, 599 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: just do it. And he starts his work and I'm 600 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 3: getting on with it, and it's deeply uncomfortable, and I'm 601 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 3: thrilled that he's looking at a screen and everything seems 602 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 3: very clear. And then it starts to hurt really quite 603 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 3: a lot. Now it's stuned to her and I said, oh, 604 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: that's that's My eyes are wading now. And he said, yeah, well, 605 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 3: here we go. I've just got to take one more bend. 606 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 3: I said, hold on, you've got a body yard and 607 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 3: a half of the already, know, so just just calm 608 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 3: it now. And he says, I'd love to take this 609 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 3: one last bend. And I said, all right, then, just 610 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: this one last bend. And he puts a little pressure, 611 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 3: shoves up a bit more and I go and he 612 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 3: leans over and he says, that's for killing John Snow. 613 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 3: I look up at him. I mean, just shock. I 614 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 3: turn around. All the nurses are diving out of the way. 615 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 3: They're laughing, they're running out of the room. And then 616 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: he said, oh, I'm so sorry. That was a bit unprofessional, 617 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: wasn't it. I said, yeah, just a little, just a little, 618 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 3: And he said, oh sorry, But anyway, good news is 619 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 3: it's all clear. But can we have a photograph with 620 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 3: you and me? Like a fool, says well yeah, well 621 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 3: what is there to lose now? Any dignity is gone. 622 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 3: So I sit and I'm still in the super stupid 623 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 3: shorts and They're all now with their arms around me 624 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 3: going for the watch. 625 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: That's incredible. 626 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: My GP actually said to me, do you want to 627 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 3: make a formal complaint about it? I said, no, no, 628 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 3: it's a great story, a great story I have. 629 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: I've listened to that pod. 630 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: That's my favorite what you've done, and I can listened 631 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: to it three times still it's the best. 632 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 2: Sorry, honestly, thank you so much for sharing. 633 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 3: That grat lolo. 634 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 2: I was I was quiet. I was like, can I 635 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 2: ask it? 636 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 3: Not? Can I? 637 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: And I haven't heard you talk about this before. What 638 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: was the audition process like for Game of Thrones? Because 639 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: it kind of picked up like it picked up pain 640 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: because I remember you to no no. 641 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 3: Well, so for me it was I hadn't been around 642 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 3: when they were doing the pilot. I'd been done something else, 643 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 3: And famously there was a pilot and then they that's right, 644 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 3: and they changed a lot of the characters, and mine 645 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 3: was one of the characters they changed. So I didn't 646 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 3: have very much time to think about it, which is 647 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,439 Speaker 3: probably good in retrospect. One of the producers had seen 648 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 3: me in a doll's house. I knew that, not David 649 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 3: and Dan the creators, but Frank and he I think 650 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 3: I thought I was pretty good casting. I don't really know, 651 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 3: but did anyway, the whole team very quickly. I did 652 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 3: a test. They were already in Belfast. Yeah, they said 653 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 3: get him on a plane and I came out and 654 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 3: I started to read it, and I by the time 655 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 3: I got off the plane, I was I had so 656 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 3: many questions which weren't really what they were hoping. I 657 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 3: was going to say, such as, so it's got dragons 658 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 3: in it? Is it for children? 659 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 2: You thought this? 660 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 3: And they said, no, no, it's not. It's not for children. 661 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 3: Knowing okay, so how many different stories have you got 662 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 3: running at the same time? And I can't remember how 663 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 3: The answer was how many houses? How many kings in 664 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 3: the wall? And it's like it's exactly, It's like saying 665 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 3: that something right, You've got to go back down and 666 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 3: go to university and study Europeandi, you know, pre Renaissance history, 667 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 3: and then actually the last bit is going to be 668 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 3: the whole Renaissance and you go, oh, it's a bit daunting, 669 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 3: isn't it. So I I when people ask me, I said, wow, 670 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 3: I don't think it'll ever be mainstream because. 671 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: Niche Yeah, it was so like fantasy and a whole 672 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: different people just they. 673 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 3: Just did because I was still thinking, well, people want 674 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 3: to come in a lot of working people work very hard. 675 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 3: They may be reach for a beer or something. They 676 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 3: want to have a meal, and hopefully it goes well. 677 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 3: And the family and the kids haven't you know, destroyed 678 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 3: the house and and they want to chill. And yeah, 679 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 3: they're like thrillers and that, but it's in short episodes 680 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 3: things that they can go boom, yeah, oh I feel 681 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 3: great now, go go to bed or whatever you want 682 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 3: to do. This you would have to watch it and 683 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 3: then rewatch it in order to make sure that you'd 684 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 3: miss anything. Otherwise, people, you know, whole storylines are coming 685 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 3: up and going where have we gone now? 686 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 2: Yeah? 687 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 3: So yeah, I was a doubter. 688 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: Wow, my friend, what a fun What a fun thing 689 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: to just be a part of and just have had 690 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: he had such dark but fun moments like watching you 691 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: like in the lead up to this, I was like, 692 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: that would have been. 693 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 2: So much fun, aren't that? 694 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 695 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: And like great like scenes of camaraderie and like you 696 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, no matter what happened to, your character never 697 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 1: lost honor even when it was kind of chips were 698 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: against you, and you know, it would have been fun 699 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: to sit in that. Yeah, energy will be it dark. 700 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what it reminded me of as well. 701 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 3: He had an element to him is a character that 702 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 3: pops up in politics a lot, and in terms of 703 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 3: war and things like that. You know, there's a bit 704 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 3: of Trump, you know that he that's what he puts forward. 705 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 3: Whether that's true or not is a matter for debate, 706 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 3: but that's what he puts forward. It's very simple. But 707 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 3: the greatness of what makes us and not to trust 708 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 3: too many liberal ideas, you know, And that's what he's 709 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 3: saying to John Snow, you're going to get us all 710 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 3: killed if you carry on like this. And a lot 711 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 3: of people relate to that. It's a powerful So he's 712 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 3: not a distant sort of baddie that doesn't exist in 713 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 3: the world. He reminds them of people that they see 714 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 3: on their television screens and they feel comfortable with somebody 715 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 3: who was so assured that they've got the answer. And 716 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 3: it's based on experience as well. 717 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: I imagine just sitting in that, I feel like it 718 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: would have been so much fun, and even especially some 719 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: of the latest scenes would have felt like being on 720 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: a massive movie. 721 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 2: Set, like protecting the Wall, like incredible. 722 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 3: Like so much fun, so much fun. The Battle of 723 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 3: the War. Yes, the camera that did three hundred and 724 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 3: sixty degrees is inside the battle and was able to 725 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 3: go round and round around and we were all fighting, 726 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 3: you know, at the same time. Amazing. 727 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I would talk to you all day long if 728 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: I could. There's one more quote that I think, This 729 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: one I've heard on a different I've really deep dive 730 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: for you in case you can't tell. 731 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 2: But this was on a different podcast. 732 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: You must equally distrust the opinions of others and also 733 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: enjoy them at the exact same time, in a heartbeat, 734 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,479 Speaker 1: say thank you, even if somebody is slagging you off, 735 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: say thank you so much. And if you can do that, 736 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: then you've probably made the right You're probably made of 737 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 1: the right stuff to be an actor. 738 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 3: Yes, that's very true. 739 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 2: It's like that water off a duck's back, right. 740 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 3: It has to be water off a ducks back, but 741 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 3: it also has to be put away. It's not that 742 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 3: you ignored or said because even though it may be 743 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 3: coming from a rather vindictive place, that's a strong word, 744 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 3: but it could be rather really ask a little bit 745 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 3: of an edge to it. You have to be able 746 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 3: to take it, but to think about the content because 747 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 3: it's there unrelated sometimes who is saying it, whether it's 748 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 3: your greatest ally or your champion or your enemy and 749 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 3: to some degree or somebody who somebody who's so damaged 750 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 3: themselves that they want to just make you unhappy. I've 751 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 3: had had quite a bit of that in my time, 752 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 3: people sort of distrusting and not liking the fact that 753 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 3: I'm quite easy going really and they want you to 754 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 3: they want to bring you down. 755 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: Wasn't there an expectation that you would follow in your 756 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: dad's footsteps and go still works? And was it your 757 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: aunt that was like like this is a hobby. This acting, 758 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: it's a hobby and look you've. 759 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 3: Just what are you going to do when you come back? 760 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 3: Because you might not get into the steelworks. It was 761 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 3: a huge employer. It was the sort of mothership that 762 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 3: was feeding all these homes in South Wales. It was 763 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 3: at one time the largest deal works in Europe. 764 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 2: It was so seen as a great opportunity. 765 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 3: Great opportunity. Why would you? And then the thing was 766 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 3: as I left and went to drama school, Margaret came 767 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 3: into power and completely dismantled. Oh there you go, took 768 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 3: it apart and there was more unemployment, there was record unemployment. 769 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 3: There you go. 770 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 2: My final acting question is you would bury the bear? 771 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 3: Yes? 772 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 2: Was that a pleasure park? 773 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 3: It was Barry Island. Come on, I was Burry the Bear. 774 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 3: Did you get it? 775 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 776 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 3: Got it. He's the eponymous beat, he's important, he's big. 777 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 2: And is it true? You were like, oh, bit over 778 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 2: this town. I'm going to jump on the ferris wheel. 779 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, come down. 780 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,240 Speaker 1: Eventually got fired and your mates, the dog and the rabbit, 781 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: were like, nah, you can't fire him. 782 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,800 Speaker 2: And they're the ones that inspired you to go to 783 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 2: drama school. 784 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 3: We had solidarity. Yes, yeah, they said no one out, 785 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 3: all out, all the animals stay. 786 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 2: And that was kind of your first taste before drama school. 787 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 3: It was I didn't really understand what drama school was. 788 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,280 Speaker 3: I knew people studied at university, but I didn't understand 789 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 3: about vocational training that you could go away and there 790 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 3: was you could train how co in acting And they said, 791 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 3: but you've got all the right material, You've got to 792 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 3: go and do this. So I had to say goodbye 793 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,439 Speaker 3: to Barry, you know, because I'd really become one with Barry, 794 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 3: but we've been through so much together. I don't know 795 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 3: where I ended and Barry began. You know. It was 796 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 3: it was like that moment when I was fired. There 797 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 3: was a guy screaming at me, your fucking Barry in 798 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 3: your neck, and there's loads of children seven or eight 799 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 3: years of old age around me, going, why is he 800 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,240 Speaker 3: shouting at Barry? Why is the man shouting at Barry. 801 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 2: The happy be happy bear? 802 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: I heard as well, you had a trick Like if 803 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: a kid like tried to like play a trick on you, 804 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: knock your head on him, and you've. 805 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 3: Really done your work, You really don't. 806 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 2: I love where people come from, like I love the 807 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 2: I'm here for the journey. 808 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: So I think we should wrap this up with a 809 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,800 Speaker 1: little bit of something Christmas y. 810 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 811 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: I love the word hoil oil, well said, Did I 812 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 1: say it right? 813 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 3: I did? 814 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 2: Can you teach the listeners what that's all? 815 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 3: Right? Well, hoile is the spirit that is engendered when 816 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,240 Speaker 3: you get together. You can't have hoil on your own. 817 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 3: It's it is a bit of camaraderie. It's a bit 818 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 3: of the crack. Is the Irish when people start spontaneously 819 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 3: singing and and usually there's a fair amount of alcohol involved, 820 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 3: but it's the collective we go back to that. It's 821 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 3: about being part. So when we sing the national anthem 822 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 3: that is oil, that is you are part of something 823 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 3: much much greater than your than yourself. 824 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 2: I love it. 825 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 3: You tap, your tapping into the spirit and yeah, it's 826 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 3: a wonderful word. Very old. The Welsh language is much 827 00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 3: much older than English. 828 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,720 Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful dialect and act. And I feel 829 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: like we got to feel that last night. Yes, at 830 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: the play it felt really especially when everything was going on. 831 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: Not to give too much way to the listener, So 832 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: to the listener, please go and see Christmas. Carol absolutely 833 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: wonderful in it. And I feel very honored to have 834 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: you on this podcast. So from the bottom of my heart, 835 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: thank you. 836 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 3: It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me. 837 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. 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