1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Get a. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional oversharer. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: about their highs as well as they're lows, all in 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Hello. 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: I was about to say good morning, but it might 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: be afternoon review or the evening. Who knows wherever you are. Hello, 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: I am really pumped for today's guest. It is Brian Pato. 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: He is an amazing film director. We actually mettioning a 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: commercial campaign fans Ed a couple of years ago, and 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: I was so green with my acting training. I was 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: so nervous and petrified, to be completely honest with you, 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: and I just remember. 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: He harmed me down. He bought me behind the. 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: Camera and he showed me the storyboard and told me 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: how he was going to shoot it and really put 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 2: my mind at ease. And it wasn't just my mind 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: that he put at ease, but I just noticed that 22 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: he lit up the entire crew. Very very cool human, 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: amazing fashion watch and sneaker taste. 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: Just have to throw that in there now. 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 2: Most recently, Brian has written and directed a short film 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: called Grace, which is about a father living in war 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: torn a rug who's protecting. 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: His daughter from violent fanatics. 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: He uses the game of hide and Seek to help 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: protect his daughter. This story is personal, it's heartbreaking, and 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: it's getting attention all over the world. 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: We talk about all the. 33 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: Behind the scenes of the film, casting it. A lot 34 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: of the actors weren't actors until this film. We talk 35 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: about the story, how it came to life, and now 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: Brian's turning it into a feature film, which is really exciting. 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: Brian has a passion telling honest, authentic and personal stories. 38 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: He loves filmmaking and he said that's because it. 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: Evokes emotion and thought. 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: Love that we also nerd out about our favorite films 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: at spoiler Alert, I am obsessed with The Gentleman by 42 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: Guy Ritchie, and so we kind of nerd out over 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: our favorite films and scores. I think any creative person 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: will absolutely love this because I don't know about you, 45 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: but I'm one of those people that after I watched 46 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: a TV show like recently, I've just finished watching Aaron 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: Sorkin's the Newsroom, and straight away I was watching the 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: behind the scenes, how it was written, how it was shot, 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: and you know, down to the set design, to the 50 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: writers everything, and so if you're one of those people, 51 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: then I think you'll love this chat because Brian gives 52 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: us a behind the scenes of what goes into writing, directing, 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: creating a film from scratch. So I hope you love 54 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: this app and huge congratulations Brian. What you've achieved is 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: epic and I'm going to cross my fingers and. 56 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: Toes that I get to work with you one day. 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Brian Patto, I am so excited to talk to you. 58 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: I was so intimidated the first day I worked with this. 59 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: You're an incredible filmmaker, director, commercial director as well. 60 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 61 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: I've just found out you wrote Grace, so you're a writer. 62 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: I wrote the initial Yeah, I wrote the initial draft. 63 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 4: So what I mean I wrote the initial short film. 64 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 4: But what happened was I was really trying to write 65 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 4: the feature. So what happened was it kind of explored 66 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: way too much in a ten or fifteen minute window. 67 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 4: So what I ended up doing was collaborating with the 68 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 4: Maide of mine Christopher Gillingham, who's also an editor I 69 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 4: work with who turns out to be an incredible screenwriter. 70 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: So he took the initial draft and kind of sharpened 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: it and made it his own, which was incredible. 72 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to talk to you about Grace, but 73 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: I first want to talk to you about you and 74 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: you was a director, because my first experience with you, 75 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: I was, so, you're a lot to swear on this podcast, 76 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a lot of swearing, so fucking nervous, 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: and you just put my mind completely at ease. But 78 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: it was this campaign we did for A and Z. 79 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: You've done loads of commercial stuff, like you've done car ads, 80 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: You've done Booze ads, You've done so much cool stuff. 81 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: But I remember when I was on set with you, 82 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: and I was sort of I just started acting training, 83 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: so I was like, these guys are gonna know I'm 84 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: really green, and you just put my mind as you 85 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: bought me. But I remember you bought me behind camera 86 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: at the very start and you showed me the storyboard 87 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: and then I lost my bananas. 88 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: Over your watch because you had a pepsi role you. 89 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: Have on today, right, and good taste. You've got good taste. 90 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: We were bonding over watches and I was like, Okay, 91 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: this person's a legend. Now. I don't know if you 92 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: have any memories from that day, but I have this 93 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: one memory where you're like, we're gonna cut this, like guy, Ritchie, 94 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: do you remember? 95 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: Yes? I do? Yes, Yeah, yeah, I don't see. I 96 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: didn't get any of any sense of nerves or anything like. 97 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: You just fucking killed it. You came on. You had confidence. 98 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 99 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 4: Look, a lot of actors I work with I tend 100 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 4: to have that or what do I do? Tend to 101 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 4: overthink it as well, especially in the ad game. But 102 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 4: you you kind of came on and I think once 103 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 4: you understood the vision and what we were trying to achieve, 104 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: it just went because I remember, you know, the teleprompter 105 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 4: and changing and all that kind of stuff, you know, 106 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 4: learning the lines that you but you're kind of you're natural. 107 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: I don't think you know that, but you're fucking natural. 108 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: That fun it was you've made. 109 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: You made my job that day very easy. 110 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: It was so much fun. But the gang that you 111 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: had was so much fun. And that's why. Yeah, I 112 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: just think you're such a wonderful director and I know that, 113 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: Like I know how you fell in love with films, 114 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: like and that was as a kid, like learning English, 115 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: you'd watch films, But like what got you into filmmaking? 116 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: Like what was that like growing up? 117 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: Because you've got the best energy, like you lit that 118 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: set up, and so I want to know, like what 119 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: that moment for you was. 120 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 4: Well, I think when I was a kid, my grandpa 121 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 4: used to tell me a lot of stories, and I 122 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 4: remember watching him as a kid. My grandpa was, you know, 123 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: six foot two, was a big, big fellow, and we 124 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 4: used to go to his place to as kids. We 125 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 4: used to run over his place because he had Foxtel 126 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: and we would watch wrestling. And it was this thing 127 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: where it's like my brother and I'd be like, oh, 128 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 4: we're going to Grandpa's I was going to watch wrestling. 129 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 4: And he would also like he his whole thing was 130 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 4: this veggie patch. You know, I had this veggie patch. Yeah, 131 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 4: classic kind of you know, old school grandpa. And we 132 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 4: would sit out in the in the backyard and you 133 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 4: tell us stories, you know, tell tell us stories of 134 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 4: the old days. And I remember watching him tell these stories, 135 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: painting this really vivid picture in my mind, remember thinking man, 136 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: that's a powerful fucking tool. Like I'm in that world now, 137 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: this twenty or thirty seconds every single time would he 138 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 4: would paint a certain picture, like and then we in 139 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 4: the sunset came down and we were and I remember going, oh, 140 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 4: I want that. That's a really cool, you know power. 141 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 4: But where it really kind of clicked was when I 142 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: would watch film. It doesn't matter what film it was, 143 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: I'd always wonder how they would edit it. 144 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: Editing was was the thing for me. 145 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 4: I'd be like, ah, surely you know that would take 146 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: forever if you if you shot this angle and then 147 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 4: you shot that angle and that And that was really early. 148 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 4: I was only twelve or thirteen, but editing was the 149 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: first thing I fell. 150 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: In love with. 151 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've seen some of your credits to editing 152 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: credits early on early days. Yeah. 153 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 154 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 4: I started started my career as an editor, and you know, 155 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: I cut TV shows, long form TV shows and all 156 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 4: that type of stuff to kind of just get used to. 157 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: I wanted that skill set. 158 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: I wanted to learn what editing was like, doesn't matter 159 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: what it was, if it was film or TV, whatever 160 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: it was, just understanding editing was really important. 161 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 162 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: I always knew I wanted to direct, but I knew 163 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 4: that if I understood editing, then I could direct. As 164 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: an editor, you know, so understanding understanding where the camera 165 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: should go, coverage, if things you know, weren't didn't go 166 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 4: to plan, if we didn't storyboard something, I go, Okay, 167 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: well in the in the edit we can go instead 168 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 4: of over there, we can go over here. 169 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: That'll cover that. So that's really important to me. 170 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 4: I mean there's a you know, you've got writer, directors, 171 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: you've got you know, some with even like producing kind 172 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 4: of mindsets, but for me, editing is super key, is 173 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 4: super important for me. 174 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: So yeah, started off as an editor and then transition. 175 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: That makes such total sense to me even now looking 176 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: back at that day working with you, because you can 177 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: see the bigger picture so clearly, and I understand a 178 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: director would be able to see that as well. But 179 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: even I know, if I've worked with directors that have 180 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: been actors, you kind of they or say something like 181 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, like dropping to your soul plexus, and 182 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: you're like. 183 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: Oh, how do they know that? 184 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: Or they've been an actor, like they've about that feeling 185 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: of when you're anxious and you're breathing too, Hi, and 186 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: they're like just lower your brain or like deepen whatere. 187 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: You're breathing into it. 188 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: And I just think having that skill set of the 189 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: editing makes such great sense. And the way you see 190 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: it sounds like you're obviously so visual in the way 191 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: that you imagine and you write and you direct and 192 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: seeing it's just interesting. I love seeing someone's story and 193 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: what kind of like led to that. So then how 194 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: did you get the leap from editing to directing? 195 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 3: Well, short answer is I forced my way into it. 196 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: Really, I just say it. 197 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: I'm very much. I get really itchy if I'm not 198 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 4: inspired or challenged. I like to be scared. I like 199 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 4: to be. I like to be I'm on the edge. 200 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 4: I don't know if this is going to work, and 201 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 4: I feel like that's where I thrive the most. My 202 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: amazing wife Tania likes to remind me on a daily 203 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: basis how I always live on the edge and I'm crazy. 204 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 4: But the more I'm afraid, the better I perform. So 205 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 4: when it came to transitioning from editing to directing, it was, well, 206 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 4: I'm going to have to prove I can do this, 207 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 4: So I'm just going to go and do this. 208 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: Wow. 209 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: And and really my first kind of fourteined directing was 210 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: a specad. It was it was a car commercial that 211 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 4: I just made up, got a whole bunch of people 212 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: and got a car, and I worked with a made 213 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,359 Speaker 4: of minor kind of write the concept. 214 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: And then we just shot it. 215 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: Oh my god, and then it was I mean that 216 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 4: the hardest thing really is when you work with especially 217 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 4: from an advertising perspective, when you when when you meet 218 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 4: and you network with certain agencies and clients as a editor, 219 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 4: to explain to them, hey, I'm actually a director is 220 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 4: a really hard thing to do. So that's taken me 221 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 4: i'd say close to five or six years to transition 222 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 4: because they get that that you know, there's a perception. 223 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: This person in Australia too, right. 224 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 4: It totally is yeah, super super. I mean there's some 225 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 4: incredible directors out there. You know, it's a really tough, 226 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 4: challenging industry. But I mean, just off topic really quickly. 227 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 4: Like in the States, the directors collaborate a fair bit, yeah, totally, 228 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 4: whereas I don't. I'm not sure we've kind of got 229 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 4: that in Australia, which is it's very competitive, so I 230 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: think again, it took a while for me to meet 231 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 4: other directors and learn. 232 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, there's so much collaboration in America now 233 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: that I think about it, and even on like series 234 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: as well. Often actoral come out and be like, yeah, 235 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: can I try my hand at directing this app And 236 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: then they'll be yeah. And even composing too. You'll notice 237 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: composers will do things together, and then you've got the 238 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 2: director composer combos like Christopher Nolan, Hans Zimmer. 239 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeap, Oh my god, I could nerd out. 240 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 2: I've heard you say some cool things about why you 241 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: love film and why you're a director at I just 242 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: kind of want to unpack them because I just think 243 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: they're really cool to So obviously it's an art form, 244 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: which you and I both on the same page there. 245 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: But I've I love that you've said I have no 246 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: idea which podcast is from. I have literally the last 247 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: week I've just been like absorbing as much of you 248 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: as I can so to evoke emotion and thought. 249 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: Is that the aim of the game for you? 250 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely. 251 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: I think it's it's such a powerful It's such a 252 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 4: powerful tool and when you use it in the right way, 253 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: especially for all my favorite directors definitely do that. All 254 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: my favorite film filmmakers have a you know, have something 255 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 4: to say. There is a message, there is a clear 256 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 4: cut you know, this is what I'm trying to say 257 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: as a human being. I mean, there's I'm going to 258 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: probably stuff this is saying up. But you know, Score 259 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 4: says his fate. You know, the best, is the most artistic, 260 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: is the most personal. 261 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: You can connect to it absolutely. 262 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 263 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 4: And this and this kind of goes back to the 264 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 4: I mean I've I've had my film. Score really has 265 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 4: been fucking up my first couple of short films. That's 266 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 4: that's my short that's that's that's my experience. It's like, Okay, 267 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 4: well your stuff that up. Let's try again with your stuff. 268 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: That one up. 269 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: You know, you learn every time and every time. 270 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 4: But I think the reason why I did obviously experience 271 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 4: has a lot to do with it, but also subject 272 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 4: matter that I've got nothing to do with. There isn't 273 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 4: a personal connection to it. I can't really connect to us. 274 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: You know, a cowboy out in the West who you know, 275 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 4: rides a horse or against that kind of you know, 276 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 4: kills dudes or whatever. Like, I can't connect to that. 277 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 4: I can't but when when it came to making the 278 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 4: decision of Grace, it was I remember, you know, vividly 279 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 4: remember chatting to Dads, my producer, about it, and you know, 280 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 4: it was it was lockdown and we're annoyed. And I 281 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 4: remember saying, I said to Hi, dude, I need to 282 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 4: make a film like I'm itching. 283 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: It's too you know. 284 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: It took me close to six years to kind of 285 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 4: develop a relationship with with my crew and my collaborators, 286 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 4: and it was time. It was right there, now we 287 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 4: need to make something cool. And I remember sending him 288 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 4: a script and it was kind of like a gangstery. Yeah, 289 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 4: you know, it's very Scorsese inspired, you know, Tarantinos type 290 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 4: thing was very derivative, and and I sent it to him. 291 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: And I thought, wrote the scrit I. 292 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 4: Wrote it, yeah, yeah, and I I thought it was cool. 293 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: So I sent it to Dazz and he read it. 294 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 4: He called me back and he was like. 295 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: Dude, yeah. 296 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: I was like, well, he's like, what the fuck is this? 297 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: I said what you mean? 298 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: And he said, dude, you told me you you know, 299 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 4: you you were born in Bagdade. You escaped with you know, 300 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 4: with your parents, your family, and you came to Australia. 301 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 4: You started from scratch, your father had to start from scratch, 302 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 4: and your your mother. 303 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: You know it, that's the story. That's the story you 304 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: should be telling. 305 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: And you already had this story, didn't you already? 306 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd written it, but I'd never well had the 307 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: guts to make it really, like I always you know, 308 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 4: when I came to Australia as a kid, it was four, yeah, 309 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 4: I was four, yeah, yeah, and I experienced some type 310 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: to an extent bullying because I couldn't speak the language, 311 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 4: and you know, from a cultural point of view, it 312 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 4: kind of felt so growing up, I always kind of 313 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 4: steered clear away from that because because of what my 314 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 4: experiences were as a as a kid. But after I 315 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: spoke to Dazz, it's just kind of like this epiphany, 316 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: like I should, yeah, I should own this. This is 317 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 4: my story, this is this is who I am, this 318 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 4: is who my family is. 319 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: I need to tell this story. This is a story 320 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: that people need to know. 321 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think when it comes to, you know, 322 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 4: going back to what you said to evoke emotion and 323 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: to get an audience to connect with characters and connect 324 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: with the story, and really kind of I mean, my 325 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 4: favorite thing about film when I was a kid, was 326 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 4: I disappeared for two. 327 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: Or three hours? 328 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 4: You know, I would, Oh, man, it is like it's 329 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: you know, it's just completely it's it's ecstasy totally. 330 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. 331 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: I this is what I love what you When someone said, like, 332 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: why did Grace come about, and you said, if it's personal, 333 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: it makes more of an impact, it makes it more impactful. 334 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: And so I imagine the whole way through your heart would 335 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: have felt like it was almost at risk because it's 336 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: like your it's you on the line, you know, And 337 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: I had no idea that this was your but like 338 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: about being born in Bagdad and being a refugee, I 339 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: had no clue. And you're also like you're a very 340 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: confident human being at top of your game doing great things, 341 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: epic fam like you're and you you've got the energy 342 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: that you love life. And so when like, soacap as 343 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: much as I could have Grace and hearing the story 344 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: about Grace and then knowing that it's named after your daughter, Yeah, yeah, 345 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna feel like your heart's on the 346 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: line the whole time, right. 347 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: Well, I did. 348 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: You were talking about being nervous on set I've never 349 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: been nervous on said ever on Grace, I was freaking out. Man, 350 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 4: I was freaking the fuck out, like I I know that. 351 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: Well. 352 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 3: There was a point. 353 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 4: There was a point where my brother, who helped produce 354 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 4: the film as well as an EP on the film, 355 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: walked over and whispered in my ear. 356 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 3: Uh, the guys in Chicago know about the film. 357 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 4: And there's a there's a big Assyrian you know community 358 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 4: in Chicago, California, California as well Detroit. Yeah, so he 359 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 4: whispered that, and I was just like, oh fuck. So 360 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 4: the whole day, what I would do is, you know, 361 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 4: between sets, between setups, what I would do is I'd 362 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 4: find the time, I'd walk out right out of the house. 363 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 4: There was a tree outside the front of the house, 364 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 4: and I'd go behind the tree and basically hyperventilate, like fuck, 365 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 4: oh shit fuck. So I just got no, you can't, 366 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 4: you know, because the captain of the ship, you can't 367 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 4: be nervous. You can't you know, you can't be seen 368 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 4: as losing control. But it was just such pressure, and 369 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: I think because it was so important to me, it 370 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: was such a personal important thing to me. I mean, 371 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 4: I it was immense pride and passion, but at the 372 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: same time such nervous energy to me. 373 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: Not carrying this for a lot of people. 374 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I can. 375 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 4: Like I was like, I got to make sure I 376 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 4: do not fuck this up. You know, it's such an 377 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 4: important thing for me. But yeah, I would do that, 378 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 4: come back in and be like, all right, let's go move, go, go, 379 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 4: go go. 380 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: You know. I love after the next thing. 381 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: I love hearing you admit that though, because you do 382 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: even as a director, I imagine your captain of the ship. 383 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 2: You got to hold everybody pretty much like you're in charge. 384 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 2: Can you just give for the listeners that may not 385 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: heard about Grace, just like a brief synopsis of the 386 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: father daughter story. 387 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: Sure, yeap. 388 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 4: So Grace is based on so Isis who invaded muscl 389 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 4: when that happened. I saw that and felt the need 390 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 4: to tell the story or tell the world, like give 391 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 4: them another perspective, because when you think about the Middle East, 392 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 4: you know, you see you're CNN's and your foxtails and 393 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: all that, you kind of see your thirty sixty second 394 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 4: kind of previews of what the world. 395 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: Thinks it is. 396 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 4: But what I wanted to do was kind of strip 397 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 4: away the politics, strip away the religion, strip away all 398 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 4: that type of stuff and bring it down to its 399 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 4: purest form. 400 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 3: And the purest form is the way I connect with 401 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: the stories. 402 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 4: I put myself in that position, and I say, okay, 403 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 4: if I was in that part of the world and 404 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 4: I couldn't escape, you know that there was no other 405 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 4: solution for me. How would I protect my daughter but 406 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 4: still maintain her innocence Because in that part of the world, 407 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 4: children grow up very quickly. Yeah, you know, they're not 408 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 4: lucky like us where we get to kick the foot 409 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: in and all that type. 410 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: You know, they have to grow up pretty bloody quickly. 411 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: Australia is so safe. 412 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 4: Oh we are incredibly lucky, incredibly lucky. 413 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. So what I did was I thought of the 414 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 3: thought of an. 415 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 4: Idea where okay, well, if there was this imminent danger, 416 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 4: what I would do is I teach my daughter hide 417 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 4: and seek, and I would disguise the panic with hide 418 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 4: and seek. 419 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 3: You know, go go honey, you know these are the rules, 420 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 3: and don't leave. 421 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 4: Make sure you don't you know unless you see me, 422 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: don't get out of that cupboard, make sure you're safe, 423 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 4: counter twenty all that type, and I would teach her. 424 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: You know, I play that game. 425 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 4: Again and again and again until the inevitable would happen. 426 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: And that's where that idea came from. So it's just 427 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 4: a it's a simple idea and that's all it is. 428 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 4: It's a relationship between a father and his daughter, which 429 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 4: I connect the way I connected is with my daughter. 430 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: Of course. 431 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 432 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: Can you talk about casting Grace or was it Lara 433 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: the girl? 434 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: Lara? Yeah, incredible Lara. 435 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: True. She was like first one in and she was 436 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: the days I've got it over, Calm down. 437 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: She was the first one in. 438 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we auditioned a couple of girls, but she 439 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: was just you know, her tape came through and I 440 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 4: just I called Dazz immediately and I was like, dude, 441 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 4: I know this is going to sound crazy, and I 442 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 4: know what your response is. But I found her and 443 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 4: he was like, well you just calm down, We've still 444 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 4: got another like and I said, trust me, she is 445 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 4: the one. 446 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: She's incredible. So none of none of none of. 447 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 4: Our cast had any acting experience, really, Johnny Johnny had 448 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 4: some minor experience. I'll get to him in a second, 449 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 4: but Lara, Lara was the first and what Lara like 450 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 4: her eyes you know, her eyes just it was it 451 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 4: was what I saw when I wrote the initial draft. 452 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: She was just incredible. 453 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 4: Her energy was amazing. Her parents were so supportive as well. 454 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 4: So we had to I mean, we had to kind 455 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 4: of refresh the language only because she was born in 456 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 4: Australia and predominantly speaks English. So and because a Syrian 457 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 4: is such an old language. You know, we brought on 458 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 4: advisors as well and made sure that. 459 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: That dialect coaches and stuff. 460 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, all that, you know, we that was really important. 461 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 4: And we brought on a drama, Turgue, as well, to 462 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 4: help both Lara and Basil get to get to that 463 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 4: kind of world. 464 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: Ye. 465 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, Lara. 466 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 4: Lara was first up and she just just blew us away, 467 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 4: blew us away. 468 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: How old was Lara when you casted it? 469 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 3: Twelve? I hope that's correct. 470 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 4: I have Susan if you're listening, I'm sorry if I 471 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 4: got that wrong. 472 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: And can you talk about casting her father? 473 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: So Basil? 474 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 4: Okay, So the father was really hard because a lot 475 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 4: of people that we had lined up once they kind 476 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: of knew what the story was about, a lot of 477 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 4: them were. 478 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: Afraid, right, Yeah, well, this story has not really been 479 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 2: told yet. 480 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 4: It hasn't been told yet, and I understand. I understood 481 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 4: why they were afraid as well, and I didn't want 482 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 4: to push that. A lot of them, you know, escaped 483 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 4: and have probably experienced some type of PTSD as well, 484 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 4: so we were really conscious not to push that. So, 485 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 4: I mean, there were there were a couple that kind 486 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 4: of stood out, but you know that feeling, that gut 487 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 4: feeling where you're like, not yet, not yet. And one 488 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 4: night I was just you know, at home talking to dads. 489 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, damn it, like we need to 490 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 4: find the dad. We haven't cracked it. We haven't cracked it. 491 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: And then. 492 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know how this happened, but I was 493 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: thinking about my uncle and I said, Dad, look, my 494 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 4: uncle's got some acting, minor acting experience, you know, I 495 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 4: nothing too big, but I have worked with him on 496 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 4: some type of stuff, some kind of fun stuff. So 497 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 4: I said, I'll send us a picture, and sent him 498 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: a photo and he just was like, well, dude, what 499 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 4: the hell are you doing? I was like, what it's 500 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 4: like you ask him? So I called him up that night, 501 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: late late night, and I sent him a little script 502 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 4: and some instructions and how to do it and he 503 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 4: came back and it was just like, fun, where the 504 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 4: hell have you been on my life? And you know, 505 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 4: he just again just blew it, blew it out of 506 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 4: the water. And I had no idea he had. 507 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 3: Those acting chops, to be honest, like it was just 508 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 3: it was incredible. 509 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 4: I mean we needed to kind of hone that in, yeah, 510 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 4: and and really sharpen that because obviously having your nephew 511 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 4: direct you trying to get you to be in an 512 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 4: emotional kind of. 513 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: State was really hard. 514 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 4: But you know, for those who've seen the film, there's 515 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: there's a specific moment where it took a really long 516 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 4: time to get him too that emotional range. 517 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: But it only took you. 518 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: Know, one word, you know, I whispered, I whispered one 519 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 4: word into his ear before I take and that that 520 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 4: that got it there. 521 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: That got it there. 522 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 4: And he and the you know, this old school I 523 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 4: call him old school because obviously it's from a cultural 524 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 4: perspective where they're from and they need to be Culturally. 525 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: They're expected to be stoic. 526 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 4: And not really show emotion and all that type of stuff, 527 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 4: which is a really complex thing to kind of unwrap. Yeah, 528 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 4: because a lot of them are quite sensitive and emotional, 529 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 4: but because of where they're from and how they grow. 530 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: Up, and you don't constantly protect yourself, so you want 531 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: to stay like strong. 532 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, So for that scene I'm talking about it, 533 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 4: it was really important for me to go, Okay, I 534 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 4: need you to get to the edge. I need you 535 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 4: to get to the edge, and then I need you 536 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 4: to pull back because you don't want to cause panic. 537 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 4: You don't want to freak your daughter out. Yeah, so 538 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 4: get it to a point where and it's hard because 539 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 4: they're not actors. 540 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: Right, what's blowing me away? 541 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 4: With an actor, I can I know how to communicate 542 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 4: to get the actor in a certain emotional state. But 543 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 4: with non actors it's like, well how do we? 544 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: How do we? You know? 545 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 4: And that's where you know, drama tode comes in and 546 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 4: all that. But anyway, we got that through the line. 547 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 4: So that was Basil and then next up was Johnny 548 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: so lovely. Johnny came to me from a Made of 549 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 4: Mind recommendation. And the thing with Johnny is the special 550 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 4: thing about Johnny is he was actually there in twenty fourteen, 551 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: so he was there the day they invaded narrowly escaped. 552 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 4: So from an authenticity point of view. He was key. 553 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 4: He was absolutely key. Like even when we did the 554 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 4: folly in post, it was like, what did they yell? 555 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 4: How did they sound? 556 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 3: What do they do? 557 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: Did he doctor the script at all, like to help 558 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: it make it? 559 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: He yeah, he did. 560 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 4: I mean we rehearsed for a fair bit of time. 561 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 4: And what's interesting about Johnny is, in reality it was 562 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: the flip. He was the one that didn't want to leave. 563 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 4: His brother was the one saying to him, You've got 564 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 4: to get out of here, and he was the one going, 565 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 4: I'm not leaving. 566 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: This is this is my home. 567 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: This is wow. 568 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 4: So when he read the script and he got quite emotional. Yeah, 569 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 4: And the initial reaction was, I mean, on the day 570 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 4: when we were rehearsing, we're just location rekid and we 571 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 4: did a better rehearsing. 572 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 3: My ad because he came in. 573 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 4: He came in with like a biker jacket, kind of 574 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 4: you know, a ponytail, like a goady. He looked kind 575 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 4: of cool, and myad, you know, lean's over. He's like, 576 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: he sure you made the right decision. And I said, dude, 577 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 4: just watch him, like just watch this. And then we 578 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 4: you know, yelled and he just complete. He blew everyone away, 579 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: like everyone had like goosebumps. 580 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 3: It was incredible because he wasn't acting. 581 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 4: He was just reliving the moment, which was just like, 582 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 4: you know, it really killed everyone because he was talking 583 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 4: about his experience and yeah, you know how they Yeah, 584 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 4: there's some really deep stuff. That's that that he that 585 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 4: he told me about that kind of went into his 586 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 4: character and it inspired other performances as well. 587 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for giving me some of the 588 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 2: like nitty gritty behind the scenes and stuff, because I 589 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: just love hearing it from a recognition point of view. 590 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: You have got so much attention in the best kind 591 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: of way. But also like all the film festivals, did 592 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: you Prague? 593 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: Did you win? 594 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: We did? Yeah, we want best Short Film at Prague? 595 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you work in your wake up. It was like 596 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: three thirty in the morning. 597 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just that was we didn't expect any 598 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 4: wins for us. It was just Okay, we want to 599 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 4: get the film out there to get people to see it, 600 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 4: but mainly to use it as a proof of concept 601 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 4: for our feature film because that's the most important thing 602 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 4: for us at the moment. Where developing it. As we speak, 603 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: we're writing it and you know that that's the key. 604 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: For us, and that'll be shot here, right, It'll. 605 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 4: Be a mixture of so, you know, the interiors, you know, 606 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 4: we can build sets and all that type of stuff here, 607 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 4: but for the exteriors, I really want to you know, yeah, 608 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 4: because we're talking about you know, thousands of years of 609 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 4: culture and infrastructure and and and you know, and just 610 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 4: those big aerials and all that. So it's it's going 611 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 4: to be a very tough one to get off the ground, 612 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 4: but you will. Oh yeah, there's there's there's you know, 613 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 4: it's sparked a kind of a fire and miss, so 614 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 4: to speak. 615 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 3: So there's there's that that ain't stopping. 616 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: Did you expect the attention to cut? Like, did you 617 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: think that it was going to be up like this? 618 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: No? No, absolutely not, absolutely not No. 619 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 4: All I was trying to do is just to tell 620 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 4: a story, a personal story, get it out there, and 621 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 4: then hopefully, you know, move on to making the feature. 622 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 4: But what happened, what's happened is someone somewhere posted the 623 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 4: trailer and it went ballistic. It's you know, I've had 624 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: I've had people in France, in obviously, in Chicago and. 625 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: Detroit as well, in La all over Europe. Moscow. 626 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 4: Moscow are incredible because that community ended up doing a 627 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 4: screening and then they had a party right after. 628 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 3: The screening, which is incredible. 629 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 4: So all that stuff is amazing, and you know, people 630 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: are reaching out because it's I had no idea about this, 631 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 4: but it is the first film in the Assyrian language 632 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 4: to win these type. 633 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: Of awards ever. 634 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 4: Ever, that's it, And and I remember I'm again wrapped, 635 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 4: wrapped and scared and nervous and excited and a. 636 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: Whole biting on the edge. 637 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely absolutely. Yeah, So say. 638 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: We could look into a crystal ball and failures and 639 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: an option and this gets picked up and gets made 640 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: a feature. Are we like, would you love to see 641 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: yourself with oscars or something like oh. 642 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Like. 643 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: I means you will. 644 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 4: It would Yeah, absolutely, it's it's it's it'd be a 645 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 4: I mean from a there's a creative sense and then 646 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 4: there's a cultural sense. The creative in me once definitely 647 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 4: wants to get out there. And because obviously you know, 648 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 4: from a career perspective, that will be incredible. That's I 649 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 4: can I can you know, build a career out of 650 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 4: that and tell different stories. And I mean I'd love 651 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 4: the advertising game because I love the kind of the 652 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 4: speed of it and and and the excitement. But for 653 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 4: features and and even like TV shows that type of 654 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 4: stuff that's really were my heart. 655 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what I nerd out with you, Like 656 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: I've been saying to myself because we had you mentioned 657 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: the way Guy Richie shoots when we were working together. 658 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: Please tell me you've seen Gentlemen. Oh yeah, I'm obsessed. 659 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: It's my It's my favorite movie everybody. 660 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just from every I think he's one 661 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: of the greatest people in the world, Guy Richie. 662 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 4: But just the well the editing is again the way 663 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 4: his style of editing, and that's you know, it comes 664 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 4: from Lockstock, it comes from Snatch, from just really cool, 665 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 4: you know, and Edgar writes another one that does that 666 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 4: kind of really Oh yeah yeah, and that's where what's 667 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 4: when we were talking about that a Z job. 668 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that kind of thing. 669 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: So fun. 670 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So I do want to nerd out a little 671 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: bit over totally because you. 672 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: Are going to win an oscar. You are going to 673 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: out what would so say we look. 674 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: You know, like five years down the track from now 675 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: and what because I do see you doing like I 676 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: know that you're doing this thing that's so personal and 677 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: totally in your heart, but I think that you love 678 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: like the magic of filmmaking. It's like what you're into 679 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: as well, Like and so I do see you doing 680 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: this Scorsese type style or like you know what I mean, 681 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: or like something like Gangsters in New York. You know 682 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 2: that kind of like hi, and I think as well. 683 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: One thing I've learned spending the last six months in La, like, 684 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: once you're in the melting pot, you're in the melting pot. 685 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: And it's much like I was swapping my car over 686 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: with another Ossie actor and she goes, I'm going to 687 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: reach out to you in a couple of months. 688 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: I need your accent. 689 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: And I was like what And she's like, I've lost 690 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 2: my Aussie accent being in La so long. I'm on 691 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: a movie, but I've got another movie I need to 692 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: be Aussie for. Can we have coffee? I was like, sure, 693 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: rocks up with a Lionsgate full script and she's like, 694 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: can you help me doctor it? And I'm like, just 695 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: sitting there having coffee, doctor in the scripture make it 696 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: sound more Australian. Do you know what I mean like 697 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: what so I guess I want to know, like. 698 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: What would a dream like genre style? Like what would 699 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: you love to do in the next five years? 700 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: Oh? 701 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 4: But yeah, definitely, Like I mean my favorite filmmaker Iscse 702 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 4: So so that's obviously going to be yeah, you know, 703 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 4: influential and the way I kind of see cinema. But also, 704 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 4: you know, Brian de Palma is another one. 705 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: What's what would I don't know him, I would if 706 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: you tell me what moves. 707 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 4: So scarface yeah, yep, yeah yeah. 708 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 3: But but. 709 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 4: And then you've got you've got your you know, your class, 710 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 4: You've got your Tarantino's. 711 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know. 712 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 4: So there, Look there's a mixture. I just love cinema. 713 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 4: For me, it's just cinema. So I mean the last 714 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 4: like for no time to die right that. 715 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, it's the first thing I do when 716 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: I go back home to Byron see June as well. 717 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 3: Oh, June's incredible as well. 718 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 4: Denny Denny likes Cecario is Scario is probably my top twenty. 719 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: Of all Timesio and the soundtrack. 720 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: I write my so my book, which is very inspiring, uplifting, 721 00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: But I write to Sakari. 722 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Okay, it's Builds, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's incredible. 723 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: That movie is like definitely my top. 724 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. It's films. 725 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 4: It's films like that. Like it's I think for me, 726 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 4: it's just it's is it? Is it an interesting story? 727 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: Is it? You know? Is there a message? It's is it? 728 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: Is it human? You know? 729 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 4: What are you trying to So it's what are you 730 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: trying to say? How are you trying to paint it? 731 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: So? 732 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 4: And that could be, you know, something that's entertaining, or 733 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 4: it could be something that's sad, or it could be something. 734 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 4: I mean, the films that kind of inspired well is 735 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 4: inspiring the feature at the moment is films like Kapam, 736 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 4: which is Lebanese film, incredible film that you know that 737 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 4: basically killed it and can that was incredible. What else 738 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 4: in Sondy's I don't know if that pronounced that correctly. 739 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: If I haven't, give me a great list of things 740 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 2: to watch. 741 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sbre is another great film as well, Beasts 742 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 4: of No Nation, films like that, you know, incredible films 743 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 4: that that have been by the feature at the moment. 744 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 4: But but then again going back to like June and 745 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 4: you know, Inception and those kind of blockbuster films as well. 746 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 4: I would love to do blockbuster type films. 747 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: It's a matter of time, it's not like honestly, like, 748 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: keep at it. And just for people listening that want 749 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 2: to support Grace, how can they support Grace. 750 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 4: The simplest thing would be to follow the Instagram page. 751 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the reason I say. 752 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 4: That is because when we do go to approach you know, 753 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 4: screen Australia or screen Victoria and stuff in this day 754 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 4: and age, if you've got a fan base already, it 755 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 4: makes it easier to kind of fund a film totally 756 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 4: because there is interest there, and there's there's there's you know, 757 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 4: there's backing. So you know, that would be the simplest kind. 758 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 2: Of I'll put it in the show notes. So that's nice. 759 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 2: So that's really easy. And I can't wait to see 760 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 2: it keep flying and you keep flying. 761 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: I hope we get to work together again. 762 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 4: I was just going to say, yeah, totally, like I 763 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 4: I mean, we're about to have another baby, so I'll 764 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 4: be like. 765 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: You're the second guest I've had on to that. 766 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 3: So it we'll be in Melbourne for a while. 767 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 4: But yeah, look, you know La is inevitable, Like that's 768 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 4: that's where it needs to kind of. That's that's where 769 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 4: it all comes to life, you know. I mean, I 770 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 4: am an Australian filmmaker, so I've got to make sure 771 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 4: that I kind of plant my feet here and. 772 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: You can do both though you can do it. 773 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah yeah, but but yeah, LA is the thing 774 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 4: and you know, hopefully i'll see you then we get 775 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 4: to do something because I'd love to work again. 776 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 3: You made my experience that there was a series of. 777 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 4: Prosper and everyone was incredible, but that the highlight was 778 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 4: definitely working. 779 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 3: It was just smooth sailing. 780 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 4: And anytime I don't have to work a lot is 781 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 4: a good time for me. 782 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 2: It was an interesting shoot because there was legal on 783 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 2: the ground as well, and so there are a lot 784 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 2: of humans keep happy and I imagine you would have 785 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 2: had pretty high pressure job. I just had to make 786 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 2: sure that I didn't f up. The audio cue did 787 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 2: not up. 788 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 789 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 2: You are an absolutely wonderful human being and I can't 790 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: wait to see what's next for Grace and you're going 791 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 2: to get the feature I know you are. 792 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Thank you for yeah for having 793 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 4: me on. It's been an absolute pleasure. 794 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: Ah loved it. 795 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 796 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. 797 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: As always, thank you to our. 798 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: Guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. 799 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word for podcast 800 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: is available on all streaming platforms. 801 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 2: I'd love it if you could subscribe, rape and comment, 802 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 2: and of course spread the love.