1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hello, as promised, We've got a few krimboeps coming out 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: for you. That's my word for Christmas and today, I 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: would say is probably one of my favorite guests ever, 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Owen Teale. He was in Malbs last year doing a 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Christmas Carol and I just bit the bullet and asked 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: to interview him and thought I'd get to know when 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: I got a yes, and so that's why we were 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: able to have this sit down. Beautiful human, so kind, 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: so lovely and very like giving with his energy. You'll 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: feel that and you'll hear this in the chat now. 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: He also teaches us a beautiful Welsh world word which 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: is all about the joy and the spirit of Christmas. 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: If you are in Melbs right now, A Christmas Carol 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: is still on or is on again this year at 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: the Comedy Theater in Melbourne. Owen Teal is not in 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: it this year, but I just wanted to make mention 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: of it because it's such a great play and I 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: hope you can go and see it, and if not, 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: please listen to this app and I hope it fills 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: up your Christmas cup wherever you are in the world 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: listening to this big love get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: TV presenter, and professional overshaer. This podcast is all about 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: celebrating failure because I believe it's a chance for us 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: to learn, grow and face our blind spots. Each week, 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: I'll interview a different guest about their highs as well 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: as their lows, all in a bid to inspire us 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: to furiously fail. Hello, Welcome to the pod. I am 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: so excited about today's podcast. I'm going to be really 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: honest with you. I didn't expect it to come through 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: and I'm so wrapped that it just happened and it 31 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: was one of those experiences I will absolutely cherish forever. 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: Today's guest is the wonderful Owen Teal, incredible Welsh actor, 33 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: and I was so lucky to be invited to the 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: opening night of a play that he's in Melbourne called 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: a Christmas Carol and he plays Scrooge and it is 36 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: this beautiful story about humanity and about facing our past 37 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: and how the past can affect the future and the 38 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: present as well, and it's just such a beautiful Christmas story, 39 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: one for the whole fam. And when I got invited 40 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: to this opening night, I responded and said, oh, is 41 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: there any way I can interview Owen Teale. I'm a 42 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: massive Game of Thrones fan, and they were like, oh, 43 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, all these media commitments are done. We'll try, 44 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: we'll try. And I was like, ah, if this is 45 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: going to pull off, And it pulled off. And he 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: is the most wonderful human being, so giving, so kind 47 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: and honest and humble, like this is a Tony Award 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 1: winning actor. And you know, if you are a Game 49 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: of Thrones fan like me, he plays the iconic and 50 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 1: villainous Sir Alistair Thorne from Game of Thrones, and he 51 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: shared so many stories about you know, all of it, 52 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: like theater, movies, tally and just so honestly, and he's 53 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: very very funny as well. There's some fantastic stories that 54 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: I just hope you're driving along listening to this, or 55 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: walking or whatever, you're on a flight listening to this, 56 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, my goodness, I hope you 57 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: just burst out laughing because he was such a joyous 58 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: human being to sit down with and so so giving, 59 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: to the point that even when I got to give 60 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: him a hug goodbye, and I would nearly got got 61 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: teary because he's just so his spirit is so kind 62 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: and his heart is so kind, and you know when 63 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: you're around those people, they just kind of like fill 64 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: you up and make you feel so seen and yeah, 65 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: incredible human. I will cherish this episode forever and I 66 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: hope that you love it as well, and I hope 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: it inspires you to connect and connects, but also like 68 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: honor your passion and honor your calling. And if you're 69 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: in Melbourne, please go and see a Christmas Carol. It's 70 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: on till January seventh. That's actually had to extend because 71 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: it's so popular and it is just such a great 72 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: night out to get you into the Chrissy spirit. And 73 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: I think the kids are gonna love it as well. 74 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: And the production values are amazing. It's just it's magical. 75 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: It's pure magic. And please do yourself for favor and 76 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: see it and beautiful Owen, thank you so much for 77 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: sharing an afternoon with me and doing this pod. It 78 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: means more than you know. You are absolutely wonderful. Welcome 79 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: to the pod, Owen Teale, Thank you for having me. 80 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: Do you know you have one of my favorite voices 81 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: in the world. 82 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: Oh, you're so kind. Thank you. 83 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: It's obviously fashioned out of my experiences, well. 84 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: Like grab it out like you've got this, oh you 85 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: lucky thing. 86 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: Well, it's very strange because a lot of people ask 87 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: back home that is it something to do with where 88 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: you come from? Because I come from a place called 89 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 3: Port Albert, and that is where Michael Sheen, Anthony Hopkins. 90 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: I did do a Google. 91 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah you did all this. I'm Richard Burton. Yeah you know. 92 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: And so you think, well, there is something going on 93 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: with all these voices, and but I don't really understand 94 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: what it can be. Don't ask me. It must be 95 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: in the water. 96 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: I think since having a pod, I get so excited 97 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: when I get to hear someone's voice. I'm like, oh, 98 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: that's going to be fantastic. So first of all, I 99 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: have to say, yeah, I went. I went to see 100 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: Christmas Carol last night. Absolutely loved it. You did, so 101 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: what did you have so much fun? It seems like 102 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: and two sotuanding ovations last night we were all just 103 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: we were drinking it up. 104 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's designed, it's beautiful. It's a 105 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: real alchemy of a show that the writing, the direction, 106 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: and the musical arrangement. Those Carols. They want a Tony 107 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: Awards but I mean, you know it's up against musical, 108 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: the original scores, and this is an arrangement of Christmas carols. 109 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: Incredible, so incredible. Okay, so I want to talk everything 110 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: Christmas in start. Let's kick off straight away. So last 111 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: year you were Scrooge at the Old Vick, right, and 112 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 1: I've heard that you bought your costume with you from Yes, 113 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: this is a really weird question, but I feel like 114 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: actors a costume shoes like kind of help form choices. 115 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: Was it quite special for you to bring that same 116 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: costume very. 117 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 3: Much, very much, very much helped by the wonderful designer 118 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: Rob Howell. He knew that, so he put that into 119 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: action that to recover the bits that were mine. 120 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: To come here. 121 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: Because you're building a world and you know you're playing 122 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: a character that is sort of anti matter. He's against 123 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: the show. He doesn't want it to happen. So you 124 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: have to build, you know, your armor around you to 125 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: go into battle even though you know you're going to 126 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: it was in the end and give it up for 127 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: a good time. 128 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: How cool it was the first thing I thought when 129 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: I saw you because the I don't know what's that like? 130 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: It's not a keep it's like that over coody. 131 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the overcoats, and then there's this It's. 132 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: With you yeah yeah, you know, and I was like, oh, 133 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: that would totally affect choices as an actor. I nerd 134 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: out over actors, by the way, just to give you 135 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: the heads up. So if this this was written one 136 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty years ago, right originally Charles Dickens, Yeah, 137 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: what do you think makes it so incredbly There's something 138 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: it's there's something so like it doesn't matter. One hundred 139 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: and eighty years later it hit it's still bits of 140 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: it hit us in the heart. And it's this especially Scrooged. 141 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: Your character goes through this beautiful arc and quite a transformation. 142 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: What do you think it speaks to to today's audience. 143 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: Well, I think it hasn't. The point is it hasn't 144 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: been disproved. So it's been around for all these years, 145 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: and each time you come back to it, you you 146 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: relearn or learn for the first time something that you 147 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: need for your life. So that's why it's still with us. 148 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: It's been revived in this particular version so beautifully by 149 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: Jack Thorn. So he has addressed certain things that he 150 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: wants to say about life now without so he's leaning 151 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: into Charles Dickens and taking a bit of his space. 152 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: But I think, you know, I would hope that Charles 153 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: Dickens would say, Wow, that's pretty good. 154 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: Do you know what? That is pretty good? 155 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, i'll tell you what. Last night it felt 156 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: pretty good. 157 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 3: Because look, he's created a character. And this is why 158 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: it's so real now, is that he's not a two 159 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 3: dimensional cartoon of a miser in a in a nightcap 160 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: and a candle and. 161 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: All those things. 162 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: It's about a man who has become a monster, and 163 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: it will tell you along the way, without slowing the 164 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: story down, how he became that monster, and you will 165 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: relate to that story because the values that made him 166 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: that monster we all have to deal with. 167 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, big time. I think it was so powerful, 168 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: Like not to give too much way, but like at 169 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: the very beginning the Ghost of Past, I was like, 170 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: oh it was so nice because I almost felt like 171 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: there was almost a very therapeutic quality to watching your 172 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: character go through and having to face uncomfortable go back 173 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: and sit with and face these uncomfortable things that have 174 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: happened and as a result shaped his choices in life. 175 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: I heard you right before we hit record on here 176 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: say that sometimes in the theater, the audience has such 177 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: an impact on how a show feels. How did it 178 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: feel last night? Because as an audience member, last night, 179 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: it felt like we were part of the whole experience. 180 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: It was this almost spiritually, you know what I mean. 181 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it did get a bit. 182 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: It did for me because you know, you put it 183 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: out and then you get a bit back from the audience, 184 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: and so you then take it on and you get more. 185 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: And then you think, as. 186 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 3: An older actor like me, you mustn't let an audience 187 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: take control. If you allow them to laugh too much, 188 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 3: you'll interrupt the flow and the narrative will will start 189 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 3: to come. 190 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: Down the land. You got to keep it in the air. 191 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: You got to keep it going. 192 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: Look, the short version is it couldn't have gone better. Yeah, 193 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: last night. 194 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: It felt so I'm one of those people that get 195 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: I get quite emotional when I go to the theater 196 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: because it's like you get to touch our hearts. And 197 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: that's what's so cool about theater. And like, and I 198 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: love like movies and TV shows. I think they have 199 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: a different kind of escapism quality, but there's something about 200 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: the theater where you get to be changed in that moment. 201 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: With all that, it's a collective completely is and that's 202 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: the I think that's one of the magical things about theater, right. 203 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I do it. It's the drug that 204 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: gets me up. And that's why I'm here. I've traveled 205 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: all this way because I believe in this show very much. 206 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,359 Speaker 3: And so at the point when Scrooge actually then interacts 207 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: with the audience, he comes into the moment, he's in 208 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: the same he's on the same page as the audience. 209 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: You get to literally be amongst them. 210 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: It's like a camaraderie or extraordinary collective experience. 211 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for last night. I have to say 212 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: you were phenomenal, as was the whole cast. 213 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: Look, you know he's coming on and he's. 214 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: Trying to disprove what Christmas is supposed to be. 215 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 3: You know, he says, what is it but a time 216 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: for paying bills without money? It's a time for finding 217 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: yourself a year older and not one hour richer, and 218 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 3: you know, these things ping and people go, He's got 219 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 3: a point, and I you know, maybe we need people 220 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: like that as well to balance. You know, everything is 221 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: in balance, is in a state of balance, and it's 222 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: just that he's gone too far. He's in a That's 223 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: what I mean by monster. It's something as the balance 224 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: has gone. 225 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: But isn't it beautiful then to get to watch him? Yeah, 226 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: like go through this? Can I ask a very practical question. 227 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: You must have to be stay quite fit and healthy 228 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: because there's a point where you run around the whole 229 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: or like bought the Stall's part, And I was like, 230 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, and I'm imagining you're doing what eight 231 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: shows a week seven That's. 232 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: A lot, it is, And every time it comes up, 233 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: I think, am I really going to run now around? 234 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 235 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: I'm doing it, and yeah I'm coming through. But I 236 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: think that's the you know, by then, if it's worked, 237 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 3: we are greater than the sum of the parts in 238 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: the room. And that is this amazing Australian cast. They 239 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: can sing, dance, the instruments, pick up each other's instruments 240 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 3: and start playing them a clog dance? 241 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 2: What more do you want? And they're wonderful actors. 242 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could The thing that I loved most 243 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: I noticed that this especially with Well I was watching everyone, 244 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: but I could see it in Bernie Curry's face there's 245 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: like a passion for being in that moment on that stage, 246 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: sharing this energy, and there's you could just the whole 247 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: jaw that is that. I was like, Oh, you're meant 248 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: to be there, right and this is like it feels 249 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: like that with you as well. But I just remember 250 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: thinking that person really love like you know. 251 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: What I mean, an amazing performer, an amazing kind of heart, 252 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: a generous thing that can fill a room with this smile. 253 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, how lucky gift. So I just want to ask 254 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more about theater because I think I 255 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: you've had such an incredible theater career, and I know 256 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: you're a bit of a Shakespeare nerd as well. You've 257 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: done something did you do four years of the real Shakespeare? 258 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: But I listened to this podcast it's called play Crush, 259 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: and you talked all about Macbeth and your love for 260 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: Macbeth and it made me feel completely. I was like, 261 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: I got to read Macbeth again, like I need to record. 262 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: And so you've had such an incredible theatrical career. Is 263 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: there any moments that stand out to you aside? I 264 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: definitely want to talk of course about A Doll's House 265 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: and Tony, but like in there moments where you're just like, 266 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: oh yeah, like the way you were saying last night, 267 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: there's this alchemy kind of thing that happens. But you've 268 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: done Macbeth, you have done I've got a whole list 269 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: here he has no Man's Land. That looked like a 270 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: fun one. 271 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: With McKell Yeah, Patrick Stewart, Yeah, yeah, yeah, really was 272 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: that was like? That was that was like being part 273 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: of a the most famous circus in the world. And 274 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: we went on tour and whenever we're talking to know, 275 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: they would there would be literally people like an entours 276 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: forming and people falling and coming in and saying, day here, 277 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: come into the square. They're about to begin, you know, 278 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: and there's these these two guys who were just legends. 279 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: And did you have. 280 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: To hide Ian behind your jacket one day laying at 281 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: a stage door? Was that a different? 282 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: Was that? Yeah? We came here with that. We came 283 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: to Sydney. 284 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: It was a dance of death by Striinberg and Ian 285 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: myself and Francis still a tour was an amazing actress. 286 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: And we came here twenty years ago. 287 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 3: And so it was the third of the Lord of 288 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: the Rings film. 289 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: Oh there we go. 290 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,239 Speaker 2: So he was just enoyes. 291 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 3: It was enormous, and there would be these crowds of 292 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: people outside the stage door. It was in London, and 293 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 3: as we came out and not a lot of them 294 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: had seen the show. They were just they just knew 295 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: Gandalf was going to be there, and so he would 296 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 3: be sort of funerable. If they've bought a ticket, then 297 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: that will be very nice. I'd like to say thank 298 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: you to them, but if they haven't, then I'm not 299 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: really interested. So I said, okay, well, there's a lot 300 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: of people out there. He said, so, so let's go 301 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: for supper and you go out and I'll come behind you. 302 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: And you're very big, and he had, you know, and 303 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: he had his flat cap on and his coat and 304 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 3: said right, are you ready? 305 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: And he went yes. So how we go. We go 306 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 2: through the store and it works. At first, nobody's interested 307 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: in me. This is pregame of Thrones. Yeah, just no 308 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: problem at all. So they're looking around me as I'm 309 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: pushing influence. Excuse me, excuse me, and he has tucked 310 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: in behind me and it's going to head down. 311 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 3: Whereupon I am confronted as I the parting of the 312 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 3: sea and in front. 313 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: Of me is Gandalf life size, life size if it's 314 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: a little bit bigger than me. 315 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 3: And he's staring at me saying, you know, nunjolpa. 316 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: In this pose. 317 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 3: He's looking at me like, I think this is incredible 318 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 3: and it stops me. So Ian bumps into the back. 319 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: What what And I just I'm afraid exposing and and 320 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 3: say I'm sorry, but you know there's somebody you might know. 321 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 3: He looks up, He looks up at himself, his Gandalf, 322 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: and the man is standing there with the big shoppy pen. 323 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 3: He's ready and says Stewie and he's got him now, 324 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: and he says, could you sign it please? And he 325 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: is not very happy and looking at this and he's 326 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: wondering the provenance of this cut. 327 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: Where's this guy got this from? 328 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: You know it's an exhibition or was only something's gone somewhere, 329 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: you know, a promotion, And so so he goes. He 330 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: grabs the pen and he says to whom, and chefs 331 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 3: is sorry, it is. 332 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: True, whom? What's your name? He says, no, no, could 333 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: you just sign it? 334 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: And of course Ian knows and we all know now 335 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: that it's worth far more if he doesn't put a 336 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: name on it. The guy can put a ticket onto eBay, 337 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: of course if he wants to. So the guy says, no, no, no, 338 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 3: could you just sign it? 339 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: It's just no true, you have a name? 340 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: So good of course. 341 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 2: Now there's a huge crowd. 342 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: Now, so good. Did he win out in the end? 343 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: Did you put a name? 344 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did, he put a name. 345 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 3: But you know, but but we kind of lost because 346 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: then we were surrounded by Gandalf lovers. 347 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 1: So funny it was. 348 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: It was surreal, totally Syrien, surreal Syria and surreal. 349 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: So I have to say, I imagine a Tony nineteen 350 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: ninety seven adult's house. Yeah, that's got to be a 351 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: pinch yourself moment. 352 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yet again it's I think when these pinship moments happen, 353 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: you're not really in control of them. And that's part 354 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: of the wisdom is to learn to live with that. 355 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 3: So you just accept it because you get so many 356 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: things that don't work out, so much failure along the way, 357 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: and you know, you try to keep those things in 358 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: your head like, well, it's just fail better next time, 359 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 3: and but you you keep going and and then something 360 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: does really take off. And that was that was a 361 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: case in point. I mean, it did well in London 362 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 3: and it transferred, but there was something about the heat 363 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 3: of it and the New York Demoronians and they got 364 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: so involved. So the winning award didn't feel like it 365 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 3: was something that I'd been the architect of. 366 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: It was. 367 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 3: I just happened to be the vessel that it was 368 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: happening to because I would I don't know if you 369 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: know the play. 370 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, and you didn't your co actress 371 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: also like one and the play one. 372 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: The play one? 373 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible, I know, I know for a Nibsen you 374 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: know again about dred and forty years older on Broadway, 375 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 3: you know, and there was just it just was the 376 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: big hit of that of that year. But it just 377 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: sparked so much debate between. 378 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: Men and women. 379 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, you know when he's been rather brutal 380 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 3: to her when she when she says, I'm going to leave, 381 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: and he says, in a way, you will leave and 382 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 3: your children, and you know, because he hasn't had a drink, 383 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 3: he hasn't gone off with another woman. Yeah, he hasn't 384 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 3: tacked any of those boxes, So how can you call 385 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 3: me a monster? 386 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? 387 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: And she says I'm going because I don't know who 388 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: I am. There's so many women and in the audience, 389 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 3: and he does shout a bit and get a bit 390 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: male and and she goes off into the room and 391 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 3: he says, instead of saying sorry, he says, you shouldn't 392 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: have pushed me. You see what happens when you push me. 393 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: And a woman on the front row stood up, and 394 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 3: I was sitting really near the front of the stage, 395 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 3: and she stood up and she said, you besstart And 396 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 3: I looked at her because I was sitting down and 397 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: she wasn't that much lower than me by the time 398 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: she'd stood up, And I thought, Wow, if I engage 399 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: now with this, I'm trying to talk to her, the 400 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: play's gone. Yeah, I've just got to write it out. 401 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: And then the nasher came along and grabbed a hold 402 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 3: of it, and she was so upset. She clearly had 403 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: an experience. 404 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have triggered something. 405 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: And a sort of gaslighting thing. Then starts to say, 406 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: why did you do that? It's your fault. 407 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: How incredible that theater can do that, though, well, exactly 408 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: that's I mean, it would have been a very confronting 409 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: experience I imagine for you in the moment. Yeah, in quite 410 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: a light heavy. 411 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about collaboration. 412 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to come out I'm not 413 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 3: a one at any point in this going to say yeah, 414 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 3: because you know what, I'm pretty good. It's there's lots 415 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: of people who are pretty good. Yeah, it's about chemistry. 416 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 3: It's about collaboration, and then something happens between people that's 417 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 3: much greater than the two can manufacture on their own. 418 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: And that comes back to that, like you're a conduit 419 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: or vessel and it's something yeah, happens to you. Yeah, 420 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: it's like that they say in a theater. Director said 421 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: to me once, it's like when an angel walks upon 422 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: upon the stage. There's this moment where there's just such 423 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: alchemy that you're just like, that's bigger than me. I'm 424 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: just here completely enjoying completely. Yeah, it's pretty phenomenal. Okay, 425 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: Like I said, I could go Banana's asking you the 426 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: theatery stuff. I just you mentioned failure just then, and 427 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: I heard this brilliant quote from you, and I love it, 428 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: and I just think I interview a fair few actors, directors, 429 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: writers on this show, and for a young actor, if 430 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: they heard this, I think they'd be like, yeah, but 431 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: if you can survive the moments when things don't go 432 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: your way, you can make it. And it's that like 433 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: surviving the failure, the setbacks and not backs, because I 434 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: imagine you've had them along the way. 435 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: Full of it, full of my I feel like I'm 436 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: free falling. 437 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 3: In failure because failure is what you have in your 438 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 3: head of what success might be. That's the equation that 439 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 3: can go wrong. If you can learn from your mistakes, 440 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 3: because you know what you were aiming at and you 441 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 3: haven't got there, a something else will appear. You must 442 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 3: be open and ready to adapt. The readiness is all 443 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: you know. That's a hamlet thing, you know. That's it's 444 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: so much is chance. So the chance will at times 445 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 3: fall your way. But if you're not, if you can't 446 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 3: recognize that and seize it, then you'll miss the energy. 447 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 3: You'll bump down again, whereas if you pick it up, 448 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: you can actually keep that energy up and you will 449 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 3: have a greater energy to write the next Yeah, not back. 450 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: Of course. 451 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 452 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: I like the readiness, and it's the readiness is all 453 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 3: you know, and that's why you're right. I do have 454 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: to keep as fit as I can with my age, 455 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 3: and I'm not party too heavily. 456 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: You know, I was Opening Night last night. Friend. I 457 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: hope you had a little celebratory. 458 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 3: I had a little celebratory, but I did not hang 459 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 3: one on, as they say I have done in my past. 460 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 3: I'm no stranger to that, but I did not. I 461 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 3: was tired, and I ended up talking to people who 462 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: are far more drunk than me. And do you know 463 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: that feeling when you think, oh, yeah, I'm not sure 464 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 3: you're making any sense right. 465 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 1: Now, I'm kind of like that's the perfect time too. 466 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 467 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: So can I just say you have been such a 468 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: joy to research, because there's such a fun body of work. 469 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: Like I was watching Line of Duty and then I'm 470 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: watching a Discovery of Witches. Oh how fun, so much fun, 471 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: and then I mean, of course Game of Thrones, but 472 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: the rig the thing I love about this. Actually, before 473 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: I talk about that, I watched a movie two nights 474 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: ago and I cried five times in it, Dreamhorse. What 475 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: a great film, and your character Daisy had this like 476 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: because we know you was like often the villain right 477 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: in some things, but like that, I was like, no, 478 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: you're like the soften like you hold space for other characters. Yeah, 479 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: obviously stuff with strength, because that's your whole. 480 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 3: It's thank you, yes, And I I was very very 481 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: touch start to Winner the Club ab after comery for it, 482 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 3: I was recognized. Do you know I think, as I'm 483 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 3: talking to you now that when I say there's so 484 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 3: much failure on it, the whole thing is I think 485 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: that my idea of success as a young person was 486 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 3: somebody who was like a like a typical Hollywood legend 487 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: Carry Grant or something. So you don't look like Carry Grant, 488 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 3: so the world is not going to accept you as 489 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: Carry Grant, so you feel you're failing all the time. 490 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 3: But I've always been able to say, well, well what 491 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: else is there? Maybe I could audition for this other part. 492 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: And I've learned an awful lot more about life by 493 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 3: playing some of the darker characters and finding that I 494 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: could do that, and that being recognized, and and that's 495 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: you know, those shows becoming success full of times obviously 496 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 3: Game of Thrones, and then that giving you greater opportunity 497 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 3: and more more voices. Yeah, but never really playing the 498 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: out and out handsome hero anymore I did when I 499 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 3: was very young. 500 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: I feel like everything you play that is like yes, 501 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: so yes to talk about Yeah, Line of Duty and 502 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, there's there's like a villainous quality today. 503 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: I imagine that'd be a bit of fun. 504 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,239 Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun because if you're the if 505 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 3: you're the dark side of a story, a you get 506 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: tremendous dialogue. You'll get great lines. Everybody knows that, but 507 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: the best lines of the devils. But but what you'll 508 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: also get is you will get your moment in the 509 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: sun because the story needs it, It needs the opposition, 510 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: that's the drama. So if you're playing one of the 511 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 3: guys who's just in the office in the background and 512 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 3: you know is well meaning guy and he comes in 513 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: and out and he's got quite a lot of scenes, 514 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: you want to have as much impact on the story 515 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: as if your dark force, because you've got to they've 516 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: got to deal with the story has got to deal 517 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 3: with it, and you're often there in order to make 518 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: somebody look heroic and beautiful like Kit Harrington is Jon Snow, do. 519 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: You know when you said yes to this part? I 520 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: said to my boyfriend, I call him Boss. I was like, Boss, 521 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: we're watching Game of Thrones. He goes, how much I 522 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: go from the start again. So we every night we've 523 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: set it up and well it was it's He's like, 524 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: we've really got to strap in. This is a commitment. 525 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: But I guess there are so the thing that I 526 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: love about your character in Game of Thrones, Alster Thorne, 527 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: you get these moments of like you've said it, you 528 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: know that Henry the fifth kind of moment where you 529 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: know you're all these even I love your last lines 530 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: like it's it's I thought. 531 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 3: I lost, and no I die and he accepts that. 532 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 3: You know, he has an ethos that you can buy 533 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 3: into because he is he makes the world very black 534 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 3: and white, and those people are very, very powerful. They 535 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: may be lying to you, but they they're easy to follow, 536 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: and they say it's you don't think, just feel and 537 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 3: come with me, I know, and it's it's amazingly powerful. 538 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 3: And everybody's in interview situations just like this will say, 539 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 3: you know, how does it feel to be to be hated? 540 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: But I don't. I can't. That's not what I guess 541 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: I think. 542 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: But I think also your character died in honor, yeah, 543 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: because even at that stabbing moment, it was for the watch, right. 544 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: For the watch. If there's three words. I've had to 545 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: say more in my life. 546 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: I have to ask this, and I I like, as 547 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: I asked this, I asked I reckon five of my closes. 548 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: I said to my mom, my dad, my wifriends, like, 549 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: can I ask this question? But I heard you share 550 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: on a podcast the most the funniest story I think 551 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: I've ever heard about a colonoscopy. 552 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 553 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: You don't have to if you don't want it. But 554 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: it's the best story in the. 555 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 3: World, of course I will. Look, you've met me now 556 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 3: for a few minutes. You you kind of know where 557 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: we are. I don't really, it's all open. So yeah, 558 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: it's a few years ago now, and they did this 559 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 3: this kind of big wide sweeping program. Right, anybody over 560 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 3: the age of fifty five, you've got to have a colonoscopy. 561 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: We're going to, you know, improve the figures on this. 562 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 3: So went yeah, because my dad had, yeah, colonic cancer. Absolutely, 563 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 3: So off I trot down to the local hospital. And 564 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: I've been once before for a colonoscopy because of this 565 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: worry about my dad, probably about five years previously, but 566 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 3: it had been in a private, you know situation. 567 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: So you have all the nice touches. 568 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: Did you get sedated for the first one? 569 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 3: Mildly, very mildly, lovely bit of something to take the edge. 570 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: Of ye, because here you get knocked out, just so 571 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, in Australia you're completely slake. 572 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 3: Okay, No, I think I could remember it. But it 573 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 3: was a very pleasant memory and got it. When you 574 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 3: think about what's happening to you, that's amazing, of course, 575 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 3: But on this occasion, of course, no. I tell them 576 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 3: at the hospital next and it's like a cattle market. 577 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 3: They're just opening doors, men going through, filing through, fighting through. 578 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: And then they said to me, I'm sorry, but there's 579 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 3: no more changing room space, but we've got this. 580 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: You wouldn't mind, would you? And I thought it would 581 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: be in the in the loo, never mind, and it was. 582 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 3: It was a janitor's cupboard. It's a caretaker's cupboard and 583 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: there was a mop and a bucket. And I said, don't, 584 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 3: whatever you do, not at this point in your career 585 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 3: start saying things like. 586 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: You realize who I am? 587 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 3: You know? 588 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, just do it. 589 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 3: Just so I get undressed to put on the funny 590 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: the gown, you know, buttons up at the back, and 591 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 3: you put on these funny little sort of see through 592 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 3: shorties and it's sold a bit. Okay, okay, here we go, 593 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 3: so take me in. Nothing, no hint of any sort 594 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 3: of joke of what's going on. Very serious, serious, and 595 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: that I said, I mentioned the anesthetist, any chance of 596 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: They said, oh no, we haven't good time for that. 597 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 2: I said, oh, brutalless it's going to be brutally. 598 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 3: And they said, don't worry, you know, so why we're professionals, 599 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: and I said, yeah, yeah, of course. So there I am, 600 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 3: and I can lie on the bed and nurses going 601 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 3: around and I adopt the fetal position and his his 602 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: nibs is standing at one end of me, and I'm 603 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 3: taking a look at him and making sure I can 604 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 3: see what he's up to. And then he says, okay, 605 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 3: now this is this is all it is. It's long, 606 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's a wire. It's quite quite firm, and 607 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: I'll be able to produce. I said, just do it, 608 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: just do it, and he starts his work and I'm 609 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 3: getting on with it, and it's deeply uncomfortable, and I'm 610 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: thrilled that he's looking at a screen and everything seems 611 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 3: very clear and then it starts to hurt really quite 612 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: a lot. Now it's thunder her and I said, oh, 613 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 3: that's that's My eyes are wading now. 614 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, well, here we go. I've just 615 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: got to take one more bend. I said, hold on, 616 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: you've got a. 617 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 3: Body yard and a half of the ready, so just 618 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 3: just calm it now. And he says, I'd love to 619 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 3: take this one last bend. And I said, all right, then, 620 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: just this one last bend. And he puts a little pressure, 621 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 3: shoves up a bit more and I go and he 622 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 3: leans over and he says, that's for killing John Snow. 623 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: I look out at him. I mean, what, just shock. 624 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 2: I turn around. All the nurses are diving out of 625 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: the way. They're laughing, they're running out of the room. 626 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 3: And then he said, oh, I'm so sorry. That was 627 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 3: a bit unprofessional, wasn't it. 628 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: I said, yeah, just. 629 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 3: A little, just a little, and he said, oh sorry, 630 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 3: But anyway, good news is it's all clear. But can 631 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 3: we have a photograph with you and me? Like a fool, 632 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 3: says well, yeah, well what is there to lose now? 633 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 3: Any dignity is gone? So I sit and I'm still 634 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 3: in the super stupid shorts and they're all. 635 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 2: Now with their arms around me going for the watch. 636 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: That's incredible. 637 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: My GP actually said to me, do you want to 638 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 3: make a formal complain about it? I said, no, no, 639 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 3: it's a great story, a great story I have. 640 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: I've listened to that pod. That's my favorite what you've done, 641 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: and I've listened to it three times. Still it's the best. Sorry, honestly, 642 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: thank you so much for sharing that. 643 00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 2: Gray. 644 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: I I was quiet. I was like, can I ask it? 645 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: Can I? And I haven't heard you talk about this before. 646 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: What was the audition process like for Game of Thrones? 647 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: Because it kind of picked up like it picked up 648 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: pain because I remember you used to didn't know what to. 649 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 3: Be no, no, Well, so for me it was I 650 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: hadn't been around when they were doing the pilot. I'd 651 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 3: been doing something else, and famously there was a pilot 652 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 3: and then they never saw that's right, and they changed 653 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 3: a lot of the characters, and mine was one of 654 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 3: the characters they changed. So I didn't have very much 655 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 3: time to think about it, which is probably good in retrospect. 656 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 3: One of the producers had seen me in a doll's house. 657 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 3: I knew that not David and Dan the creators, but 658 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 3: Frank and he I think I thought I was pretty 659 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 3: good casting. I don't really know, but did anyway, the 660 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 3: whole team very quickly. I did a test. They were 661 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 3: already in Belfast. Yeah, they said, get him on a 662 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 3: plane and I came out and I started to read it, 663 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 3: and I by the time I got off the plane, 664 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 3: I was I had so many questions which weren't really 665 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 3: what they were hoping. I was going to say, such as, 666 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 3: so it's got dragons in it? 667 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: Is it for children? 668 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: You thought this? 669 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 2: And they said, no, no, it's not. It's not for children. 670 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 2: Knowing okay, so. 671 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 3: How many different stories have you got running at the 672 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 3: same time? 673 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 2: And I can't remember how The answer was how many houses? 674 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 2: How many kings in the wall. And it's like it's exactly. 675 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 3: It's like saying something, right, you've got to go back 676 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 3: now and go to university and study European made you know, 677 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 3: pre Renaissance history, and then actually the last bit is 678 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 3: going to be the whole Renaissance and you go, oh, 679 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 3: it's a bit daunting, isn't it. So I when people 680 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 3: ask me, I said, wow, I don't think it'll ever 681 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 3: be mainstream because. 682 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 2: Niche. 683 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so like fantasy and a whole different 684 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: people just. 685 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 3: They just did because I was still thinking, well, people 686 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 3: want to come in a lot of working people work 687 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 3: very hard. 688 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 2: They may be reach for a beer or something. 689 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 3: They want to have a meal and and hopefully it 690 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 3: goes well and the family and the kids haven't you know, 691 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 3: destroyed the house and and they want to chill and 692 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 3: yeah they're like thrillers and that, but it's in short 693 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 3: episodes things that they can go boom, yeah, oh I 694 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 3: feel great, now go go to bed or whatever you 695 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 3: want to do. This you would have to watch it 696 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 3: and then rewatch it in order. 697 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 2: To make sure that you'd miss anything. 698 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 3: Otherwise, people, you know, whole storylines are coming up and 699 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 3: going where have we gone now? 700 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: Yeah? 701 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, I was a douter. 702 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: Wow, my friend, what a fun What a fun thing 703 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: to just be a part of and just have had 704 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 1: He had such dark but fun moments like watching you 705 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: like in the lead up to this, I was like, 706 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: that would have been so much fun, aren't that? And 707 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: like great like scenes of camaraderie and like you you know, 708 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: no matter what happened, your character never lost honor even 709 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: when it was kind of chips were against you, and 710 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, it would have been fun to sit in that. Yeah, 711 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: energy will be it dark. 712 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what it reminded me of as well. 713 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 3: He had an element to him is a character that 714 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 3: pops up in politics a lot, and in terms of 715 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 3: war and things like that. You know, there's a bit 716 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 3: of Trump, you know that he that's what he puts forward, 717 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 3: and whether that's true or not is a matter for debate, 718 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 3: but that's what he puts forward. 719 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 2: It's very simple. 720 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 3: But the greatness of what makes us and not to 721 00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 3: trust too many liberal ideas, you know, And that's what 722 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 3: he's saying to John Snow, you're going to get us 723 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 3: all killed if you carry on like this. 724 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: And a lot of people relate to that. 725 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 3: It's a powerful So he's not a distant sort of 726 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 3: baddie that doesn't exist in the world. He reminds them 727 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 3: of people that they see on their television screens and 728 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 3: they feel comfortable with somebody who was so assured that 729 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 3: they've got the answer. And it's based on experience as well. 730 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: I imagine just sitting in that, I feel like it 731 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: would have been so much fun, and even especially some 732 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: of the latest scenes would have felt like being on 733 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: a massive movie set, like protecting the Wall, like incredible, 734 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: like so much fun, so much fun. 735 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 2: The Battle of the War. 736 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 3: Yes, the camera that did three hundred and sixty degrees. 737 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 3: It is inside the battle and was able to go 738 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 3: round and round around and we were all fighting, you know, 739 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 3: at the same time. 740 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 2: Far amazing. 741 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: Okay, I would talk to you all day long if 742 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: I could. There's one more quote that I think, This 743 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: one I've heard on a different I really deep dive 744 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 1: for you in case you can't tell, but this is 745 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: on a different podcast. You must equally distrust the opinions 746 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: of others and also enjoy them at the exact same time, 747 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: in a heartbeat, say thank you, even if somebody is 748 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: slagging you off, say thank you so much. And if 749 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: you can do that, then you've probably made the right 750 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 1: You're probably made of the right stuff to be an actor. 751 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 2: Yes, that's very true. 752 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: It's like that water off a duck's back, right. 753 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 3: It has to be water off a ducks back, but 754 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 3: it also has to be put away. It's not that 755 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 3: you ignored, as said, because even though it may be 756 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 3: coming from a rather vindictive place, that's a strong word, 757 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 3: but it could be rather really ask a little bit 758 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 3: of an edge to it. You have to be able 759 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,280 Speaker 3: to take it, but to think about the content because 760 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 3: it's there unrelated sometimes who is saying it, whether it's 761 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 3: your greatest ally or your champion or your enemy and 762 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 3: to some degree or. 763 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 2: Somebody who. 764 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 3: Somebody who's so damaged themselves that they want to just 765 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 3: make you unhappy. I've had quite a bit of that 766 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 3: in my time, people sort of distrusting and not liking 767 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 3: the fact that I'm quite easy going really and. 768 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,240 Speaker 2: They want you to they want to bring you down. 769 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: Wasn't there an expectation that you would follow in your 770 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: dad's footsteps and go still works? And was it your 771 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: aunt that was like like this is a hobby. This acting, 772 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: it's a hobby, and look you've just. 773 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 3: What are you going to do when you come back? 774 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 3: Because you might not get into the steelwalks. It was 775 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 3: a huge employer. It was the sort of mothership that 776 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 3: was feeding all these homes in South Wales. It was 777 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 3: at one time the largest deel works in Europe. 778 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: It was so seen as a great opportunity. 779 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 3: Great opportunity, Why would you? And then the thing was 780 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 3: as I left and went to drama school, Margaret came 781 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 3: into power and completely dismantled. Oh there you go, took 782 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 3: it apart and there was more unemployment. There was record unemployment. 783 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 2: There you go. 784 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: My final acting question is you would bury the bear? 785 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:24,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 786 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: Was that a pleasure park? 787 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 2: It was Barry Island. Come on, I was bury the bear? 788 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 2: Did you get it? 789 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 790 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 2: Got it. 791 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 3: He's the eponymous bet, he's important, he's big. 792 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: And is it true? You were like, oh, beit over 793 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: this town, I'm going to jump on the ferris wheel. 794 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, come down. 795 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,240 Speaker 1: Eventually got fired and your mates, the dog and the rabbit, 796 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: were like, nah, you can't fire him. And they're the 797 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,399 Speaker 1: ones that inspired you to go to drama school. 798 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 2: We had solidarity. 799 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they said no one out, all out, all 800 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 3: the animals stay. 801 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: And that was kind of your first taste before drama school. 802 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 3: It was I didn't really understand what drama school was. 803 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,280 Speaker 3: I knew people studied at university, but I didn't understand 804 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 3: about vocational training that you could go away and there 805 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,439 Speaker 3: was you could train. How cool in acting? And they said, 806 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 3: but you've got all the right material, You've got to 807 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 3: go and do this. So I had to say goodbye 808 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 3: to Barry, you know, because I'd really become one with Barry. 809 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 3: But we've been through so much together. 810 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 2: I don't know where I ended and Barry began. You know. 811 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 3: It was it was like that moment when I was fired. 812 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 3: There was a guy screaming at me, you're fucking in 813 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 3: your neck, and there's loads of children seven or eight 814 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 3: years of old age around me, going, why is. 815 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,840 Speaker 2: He shouting at Barry? Why is the man shouting at Barry? 816 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:44,919 Speaker 1: The happy bear? 817 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 2: Happy bear? 818 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 1: I heard as well, you had a trick Like if 819 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: a kid like tried to like play a trick on you, 820 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: knock your head on him, and you've really. 821 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 2: Done your work, you really don't. 822 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 1: I love knowing where people come from, Like I love 823 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,399 Speaker 1: the I'm here journey. So I think we should wrap 824 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 1: this up with a little bit of something Christmas y. 825 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 826 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: I love the word hoil oil, well said, Did I 827 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: say it right? I did? Can you teach the listeners 828 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: what that's all? 829 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 2: Right? 830 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 3: Well, hoile is the spirit that is engendered when you 831 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 3: get together. You can't have oil on your own. It's 832 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 3: it is a bit of camaraderie. It's a bit of 833 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 3: the crack. Is the Irish when people start spontaneously singing 834 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 3: and and usually there's a fair amount of alcohol involved, 835 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 3: but it's the collective we go back to that. It's 836 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 3: about being part. So when we sing the national anthem 837 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 3: that is oil, that is you are part of something 838 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 3: much much greater than your than yourself. 839 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 2: I love it. 840 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 3: You tap your tapping into the spirit and yeah, it's 841 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 3: a wonderful word. 842 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 2: Very old. The Welsh language is much much older than English. 843 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful dialect and act ah and I 844 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: feel like we got to feel that last night. Yes, 845 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: at the playlet. It felt really especially when everything was 846 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,720 Speaker 1: going on. Not to give too much way to the listener, 847 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: So to the listener, please go and see Christmas Carol 848 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: absolutely wonderful in it. And I feel very honored to 849 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: have you on this podcast. So from the bottom of 850 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: my heart, thank you. 851 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 3: It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me. 852 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 853 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 854 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word 855 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. 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