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Speaker 1: Now we know that the Full Council of the Northern

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Speaker 1: So the current arrangements cease of course on December thirty

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Speaker 1: first and are going to be replaced by a permit system.

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Speaker 1: We did catch up with Joe Martin Jard, the CEO

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Speaker 1: concerns that are being raised at the moment. From the

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you on the show. David.

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Speaker 1: What has been the reaction from our wreck fishes here

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Speaker 4: So I certainly think it's welcome that we're not living

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Speaker 2: And I think.

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Speaker 4: People are really worn out over this uncertainty that keeps

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Speaker 4: having the permits being announced for remote areas, and I

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Speaker 2: Relate mostly to remote areas.

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Speaker 4: Most of those places you'll already need a land permit

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Speaker 2: However, it's really important to note that.

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Speaker 4: The more popular places with unresolved access, places like the

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I think the point that you made

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Speaker 1: Where are we at with those negotiations from your perspective,

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Speaker 1: And I guess that because those negotiations, well, because those

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Speaker 4: now we've been told that the permits will be easy

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, Katie. I think you're spot on. That's

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Speaker 2: This is a big shift.

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Speaker 4: Australians are used to being able to go fishing wherever

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Speaker 2: That they do go on and apply for a permit.

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Speaker 4: I've been out there at the invitation of traditional owners

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Speaker 4: Their permits, let's hope that those permits are very clear,

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Speaker 4: There's some things we're already engaged on, things like who

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Speaker 1: From your perspective, how important is it that that happens.

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, look's be on time. I think the frustration

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Speaker 4: know there's going to be someone will have to pay

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Speaker 4: at some point, and you know, it might be all

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Speaker 4: the government, it might not be all the government, but

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Speaker 4: we need to have the detail in those conversations and

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Speaker 4: it needs to progress from where it's been because it

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Speaker 4: really hasn't been moving forward in an appropriate way.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, you know, it's that uncertainty not

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Speaker 1: only for rereckfishes, but also for different business for different

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Speaker 1: tourism operators, you know, for those trying to you know,

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Speaker 1: we obviously work in the seafood.

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Speaker 3: Industry as well.

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Speaker 1: Like it has an impact across so many different ways,

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Speaker 1: which I think when we're talking about building the economy,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about reaching forty billion dollar economy by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 1: If you don't give people certainty, it makes it really

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Speaker 1: bloody hard well.

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Speaker 4: Talking down is a terrible thing for the economy, and

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Speaker 4: we don't want to be talking down. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of things to celebrate in our community. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of things to celebrate in the fishing sector. Fishing sector,

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Speaker 4: as I said, employees hundreds of people. The fishing sector

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Speaker 4: is worth hundreds of millions of dollars to the territory economy,

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Speaker 4: and it's part of the territory way of life. It

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Speaker 4: supports the mental health and well being of so many territories,

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Speaker 4: and there is access certainty in a good number of

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Speaker 4: places where people fish. There is a future of uncertainty

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Speaker 4: because some of those places that have agreement will have

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Speaker 4: the need for new agreements as land claims are announced.

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Speaker 2: There's also areas that are outstanding.

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Speaker 4: We don't want to allow those outstanding things to overshadow

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Speaker 4: the importance and significance of the sector that has been

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Speaker 4: happening for too long now, and I really hope we

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Speaker 4: can find a better way forward, draw a line under it,

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Speaker 4: and move on and really start to celebrate all the

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Speaker 4: great things that going fishing and putting people in connection

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Speaker 4: with the wonderful environment that's in the northern territory and

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Speaker 4: really celebrate that as society and what it brings to society,

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Speaker 4: because it brings a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, David Girovolo, we always appreciate your time. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for all the time you've given us throughout

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Speaker 1: the year. I hope you have a merry Christmas and

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Speaker 1: no doubt we'll be talking in the new year.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure about this very issue.

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Speaker 4: Again, Thanks Katie, thanks for your interest and at Merry

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Speaker 4: Christmas to all your listeners as well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you