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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro

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Speaker 1: isn't happy about Matt Sakowski's latest claims about their failed marriage,

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Speaker 1: and Sarah's Day's new fitness challenge feels familiar. But first,

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Speaker 1: the feud between Jackie Alexander and Gabby Sullivan is intensifying.

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Speaker 1: Last week, we discussed how Jackie was forced to defend

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Speaker 1: herself after her former best friend claim she got drunk

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Speaker 1: and ruined her wedding.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So, on Friday, Gabby Sullivan released an official statement

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Speaker 2: about the incident on her Instagram story. Interestingly, she didn't

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Speaker 2: name Jackie by name, but it was clear who she

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Speaker 2: was referring to. So in the statement, Gabby claims she

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Speaker 2: never wanted to publicly discuss the incident that took place

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Speaker 2: at her wedding, but she said she could no longer

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Speaker 2: remain silent after she was made aware of tiktoks and

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Speaker 2: comments made about her and her wedding. She wrote, bullying

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Speaker 2: is not okay. It's twenty twenty five and thriving off

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Speaker 2: Mean Girl energy and staring up drama and spreading false

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Speaker 2: narratives is appalling and incredibly damaging behavior, especially from people

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Speaker 2: who have also experienced the awful impact of online bullying themselves.

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Speaker 1: Now, Gabby echoed her original allegations that Jackie was extremely

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Speaker 1: intoxicated at her wedding and started a loud argument with

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Speaker 1: her at the dinner table. She said she wouldn't stand

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Speaker 1: for being called a liar when she had a dozen

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Speaker 1: witnesses to back up her story. She also claimed that

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Speaker 1: she tried to salvage the friendship because she believed alcohol

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Speaker 1: played a role in Jackie's behavior, but a month later

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Speaker 1: things turned toxic and they blocked each other.

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Speaker 2: Now Amy, it appears the comments Jackie gave to The

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Speaker 2: Daily Mail, which we covered last week, was the final

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Speaker 2: straw for Gabby, so to refresh listeners memories. Jackie labeled

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Speaker 2: Gabby's accusations as false and hurtful, and denied yelling at

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Speaker 2: Gabby and ruining her wedding. In fact, she said that

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Speaker 2: they remained friends after the wedding, and Jackie went on

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Speaker 2: to tell the Day that there was a deeper problem

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Speaker 2: and level of the story that was missing. So it

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Speaker 2: turns out As expected, Gabby was also approached by The

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Speaker 2: Daily Mail for comment, but she said she declined to

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Speaker 2: give one to avoid further drama, and she said that

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Speaker 2: she was really disappointed Jackie went to the media.

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Speaker 1: Would did she go to the media or did she

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Speaker 1: just respond to the media?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well she responded to the media, which I think

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Speaker 2: was actually a very smart move, because whenever media say

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Speaker 2: oh so and so declined to comment, you instantly think, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: it's true.

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Speaker 3: Look.

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Speaker 1: I can understand why Gabby didn't want to speak to

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Speaker 1: the Daily Mail on the record, but sometimes it is

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Speaker 1: worth taking the phone calls and saying, look, while I

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Speaker 1: don't want to speak on the record, off the record,

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Speaker 1: there is no truth to these allegations, and sometimes that

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Speaker 1: will stop journals from actually running stories.

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Speaker 2: Or they'll run them by saying an insider, which is

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Speaker 2: often the person that they've spoken to off the record.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Jackie hit back at Gabby's statement in the form of

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Speaker 2: a TikTok mime. So she mined to this trending sound.

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Speaker 3: I am fully a weird of what y'all say about

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Speaker 3: me number one, and I don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 2: And she went on to capture the video. Let them

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Speaker 2: talk behind your back. They're behind you for a reason.

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Speaker 1: I love that the TikTok mimes are literally what we

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Speaker 1: did back in the two thousands on MSN. Anytime you

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Speaker 1: had a fight with a friend, you would change its

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing has changed except the medium that we now

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Speaker 2: share our passive aggressive nature in now. Someone commented underneath

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Speaker 2: Jackie's video, drop it, we beg and she replied, gonna

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Speaker 2: have to since my name is being slammed it. Another

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Speaker 2: person wrote, I love you, but you have been giving

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Speaker 2: mean girl energy, so either spill your side or drop

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Speaker 2: it now. Jackie responded, saying, if you think a little

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Speaker 2: TikTok is giving mean girl, just wait until you hear

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Speaker 2: while the other person has been doing. Someone else wrote,

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Speaker 2: or wait until they hear you were too drunk to

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Speaker 2: her now. Jackie replied, I never said that didn't happen,

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Speaker 2: but there is a lot of missing piece and that

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Speaker 1: Jackie also entered the chat on influencer update AU's Friday

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Speaker 1: live stream. So she wrote in the comments. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: was drinking. It was a wedding, she yelled at me.

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Speaker 1: I defended myself. This is so juicy.

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Speaker 2: Watch this space because what is missing is the context

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Speaker 2: of what this wedding day argument was about. And I

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Speaker 2: don't think it will be too long until we find out.

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Speaker 4: Day one of Project Comeback is complete.

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Speaker 1: Sarah's day has unveiled her latest secret project. The self

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Speaker 1: proclaimed holistic health princess is launching a sixty day fitness

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Speaker 1: challenge that feels very reminiscent of her old Project Comeback days. Now,

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Speaker 1: before we get into Sarah's new challenge, Kate, can you

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Speaker 1: bring listeners up to speed with what Project Comeback was.

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Speaker 2: I feel like listeners who followed Sarah back in the

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Speaker 2: day may get a bit of PTSD when they hear

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Speaker 2: the words Project Comeback.

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Speaker 1: If we're channeling Sarah, we should be saying Project Comeback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel wrong saying project anyway. So Project

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Speaker 2: Comeback a recurring series that Sarah shared on her YouTube channel,

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Speaker 2: and essentially she would document flogging herself in the gym

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Speaker 2: and restricting her diet under this guise of needing to

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Speaker 2: do a comeback because she'd put on weight and it

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Speaker 2: is so crazy to look back at these flogs. So

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Speaker 2: I watched one from April twenty sixteen, and in it,

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Speaker 2: Sarah revealed that she put on weight after having her

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Speaker 2: wisdom teeth out, so she weighed herself on camera and

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Speaker 2: to list everything that she had eaten and filmed herself

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Speaker 2: punishing herself in the gym.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it bizarre that we did not bat an eyelid

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Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen watching this type of content.

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Speaker 2: I know because I remember watching it and being like, oh, yep,

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Speaker 2: another project come back, Like, let's get some tips and

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Speaker 2: tricks on how to lose a bit of weight.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's sit down with like a piece of cake.

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Speaker 1: Watching this, I would always find myself like gorging on

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Speaker 1: something sweet watching Sarah's days video. For some reason, I

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Speaker 2: It did make you feel hungry. Yeah, give this vlog justice.

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Speaker 2: I want to throw to what she said in the vlog.

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Speaker 4: So, like you guys saw my last vlog, I just

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Speaker 4: got my wisdom teeth out, and basically it wasn't a

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Speaker 4: very good time. Over the last three weeks, I've gained

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Speaker 4: of feeling so for myself, sick of being down. So

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Speaker 4: today we get back on the daily grind after a

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Speaker 4: week of eating clean and going to the gym again.

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Speaker 4: If I haven't seen any results, then I'm allowed to

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Speaker 4: be a little bit down. But for the moment, I

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Speaker 4: things in life than having a little bit of extra

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Speaker 4: fat on you.

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Speaker 2: There is no way an influence it could post a

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Speaker 2: monologue to camera like that with a following like Sarah's

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Speaker 2: Day and not be called up on it. But at

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Speaker 2: the time, as you said, Amy, no one batter than

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Speaker 2: I live well.

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Speaker 1: She even went on to refer to herself as a blob.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there was a lot of negative speak going on

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Speaker 2: and it was really difficult to listen to.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Seven months later, Sarah did another project, Come Back, after

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Speaker 2: she returned from a holiday to Queensland, and one of

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Speaker 2: the scenes that made me feel ultra uncomfortable was Sarah

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Speaker 2: doing this body check to the camera to show that

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Speaker 2: she had put on weight, and I just couldn't believe

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Speaker 2: it because she was so toned and there was no

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Speaker 2: way that she needed to lose weight, like this shot

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Speaker 1: And it's important to point out that Sarah was not

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Speaker 1: this really was the norm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, and this is probably why it didn't

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Speaker 2: it from a twenty twenty five lens, it's just so jarring.

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Speaker 2: Now after documenting what she had eaten and what she

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Speaker 4: But day one of Project Comeback is complete. Definitely stay

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Speaker 4: tuned because they'll be doing it at least three blogs

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Speaker 4: of Project Comeback, and every single blog will be showing

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Speaker 4: different tips of how it lean and shredded again because

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Speaker 4: I do have a lot of events coming up where

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Speaker 4: I need to look a certain way and be lean again,

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Speaker 4: and I'm still feeling quite bloated and just not as

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Speaker 2: Sarah always used the term shredded. In fact, it was

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Speaker 2: actually in the title of her first e book called

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Speaker 2: sweatd to shred it, you don't really hear it anymore.

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Speaker 1: I really think the most contentious project come back she did, okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and arguably the most damaging because it was aimed

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Speaker 2: at postpartum women. And when Sarah released her promo last

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: The promo was shot by Sarah's husband, Kurt Tills, and

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Speaker 2: in the video, Sarah stretches on a sand dune wearing

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Speaker 2: zooms up on her very toned body and her abs

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Speaker 2: as she gazes off in the distance. Then take appears

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Speaker 2: on the screen that reads sixty days, sixty Workouts, five Rules.

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Speaker 2: You won't just move different, You'll feel different, and Sarah

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Speaker 2: captioned the video the five sixty Challenge coming soon. Sixty

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Speaker 2: days sixty Workouts, five Rules, Become a Better You, a

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Speaker 2: challenge designed for busy women juggling at all who can't

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Speaker 2: pause their life but need to fill their own cup.

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Speaker 2: Tag your five to sixty training partner for accountability now.

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Speaker 2: This video went absolutely nuts on Instagram. At the time

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Speaker 2: of recording, it has had over a million views, twenty

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Speaker 2: six thousand likes, one point one thousand comments, and one

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Speaker 2: point three thousand send on. So a lot of people

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Speaker 1: The strangest thing about this is though there's no real

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Speaker 1: call to action, like there's no link to follow. I

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of people commenting, how do I do this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And is this going to cost money? The answer is yes,

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Speaker 2: of course it's going to cost money. Now, Sarah was

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Speaker 2: really trying to pump up her followers. She shared the

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Speaker 2: real her Instagram story and wrote, I'm so excited to

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Speaker 2: start this challenge with you. I'm interested to see if

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Speaker 2: she will do it for the sixty days because I've noticed,

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Speaker 2: as being a longtime follower of hers, often she'll do

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Speaker 1: Surely she will. I mean, she needs this to be

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Speaker 1: quite a big money earner for her, especially because of

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Speaker 1: that failed perfume deal she has.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking the timing was pretty interesting because

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Speaker 2: She moved forward. She created, grew and birth, She evolved

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Speaker 1: It is difficult for influencers because there is such a

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it's a fine line. I think

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it's not. I'm hoping that we see

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Speaker 2: for sixty days everyone, we're getting our shit together and

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Speaker 3: Never ever, ever, let someone make you feel like you

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Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro isn't happy about Matt Zukowski's latest claims about

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Speaker 2: So, Matt opened up about how he was feeling during

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Speaker 1: It surprised me to hearm At say this, because that

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Speaker 2: I personally wasn't surprised because you could tell there was

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Speaker 3: I've been really good. Had a bit of a crash

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Speaker 3: Just feel like I've learned a lot. Never ever, ever

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Speaker 2: I think it's a stroke of genius that she didn't

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Speaker 2: all these juicy details. It says a lot without saying anything. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: going to go as viral but still get her message

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Speaker 1: And sometimes when you weighe through all the dirty details,

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Speaker 1: If he puts something else out, Yeah, I've got it

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's only a matter of time. I

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Speaker 1: she's been documenting skin treatments she's undergoing at her sister's

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Speaker 1: skin clinic. This is what she said, come with me

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Speaker 1: to my skin appointment. So my sisters own a skin clinic.

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Speaker 1: It's called skin They're always booked out though, but I've

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Speaker 1: booked in appointments every single week now because i have

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Speaker 1: something coming up that I need, like really good skin.

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Speaker 2: For Tammy is clearly going to the Brownlow, Like what

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Speaker 2: other event is she working so hard on getting her

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Speaker 2: skin looking good for? She knows that when she steps

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Speaker 2: foot on that red carpet, she is going to have

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Speaker 2: the eyes of all of the mainstream media of Australia

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Speaker 2: on her. And it seems like the AFL is annoyed

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Speaker 2: that all the attention about the Brownlow is on Tammy

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Speaker 2: and it seems like they're trying to shift the attention

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Speaker 2: back onto the football because an AFL insider has been

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Speaker 2: quoted telling News Corp the Brownlow is who is the

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Speaker 2: fairest and best player in the competition as opposed to

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Speaker 2: who has the hottest girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure if you looked at the ratings though,

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Speaker 1: the viewership would peak during the Red Carpet at the

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Speaker 1: Brownlow and significantly drop off.

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Speaker 2: Oh definitely. I mean, everyone wants to see what's going

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Speaker 2: on in the Red carpet. No one really cares about

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Speaker 2: the count itself until the end of the night when

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Speaker 2: it gets close. And Bailey Smith is actually one of

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Speaker 2: the three AFL players that ESPN's Brownlow predictor has sitting

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Speaker 2: on top of the leaderboard. So if Tammy is there,

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Speaker 2: it seems like she may get a bit of airtime.

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Speaker 2: It's not like she's dating one of the players that

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Speaker 2: doesn't get any votes, like they're going to be panning

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Speaker 2: up on him and her at this election.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the AFL might be pissed off about it,

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Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure Channel seven will be loving the

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Speaker 1: thought of Tammy being there.

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Speaker 2: The AFL should be welcoming her with open arms. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Sophie and I spoke about the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey

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Speaker 2: NFL effect.

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Speaker 3: They should be.

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Speaker 2: Examining that and seeing how they can harness it with

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Speaker 2: the AFL. Well, that's where we're going to leave things today.

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