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Speaker 1: The Wiggles acknowledged the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia

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Speaker 1: and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay

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Speaker 1: our respects to elders, past, present and emerging.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Wiggle Talk Lockey. It's a podcast for parents.

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Speaker 3: It sure is Simon and Hello, my name is Lachlan

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Speaker 3: gi Lesbie.

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Speaker 2: Hello. Sorry, carry on.

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Speaker 3: I was about to say what I always say, Purple Wiggle.

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Speaker 2: Yes, my name is Simon p u Rice, Yes with

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Speaker 2: a y because I said so, Yes, and I am

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Speaker 2: the red Wiggle. Yes, great to see you, lock you too.

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Speaker 2: We moved house recently, Yes, yes, we're loving it. But

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Speaker 2: what we realized is we're in such a great routine

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Speaker 2: with Asher in our old place. Yes, we had our

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Speaker 2: places to go. We go down to the skate park.

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Speaker 2: He was on his bike a lot, doing all kinds

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Speaker 2: of different activities. And when we moved, of course, all

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Speaker 2: that routine changes and Loz and I were like, he's

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Speaker 2: hardly ridden his bike at all. Yeah, we thankfully and

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Speaker 2: luckily you have a pool now so that takes up

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Speaker 2: a lot of his time. He loves swimming, so which

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Speaker 2: is part of the reason why we wanted to move.

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Speaker 2: But because he loves the water so much. But then

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Speaker 2: we realized all those other activities we were doing, we

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Speaker 2: just kind of canceled because we were so busy and

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Speaker 2: invested in moving into the house setting it up that

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Speaker 2: we kind of misjudged what that meant for him. Now

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Speaker 2: he wasn't saying anything about it, and he was swimming though.

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Speaker 2: That was a big part of the change. But it's

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Speaker 2: been nice to introduce back in him going for a

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Speaker 2: ride in his bike, us finding the local oval now

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Speaker 2: and we take the creek about the ball, the AFL

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Speaker 2: footy ball, and were actually starting to get that nice

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Speaker 2: little routine happening, which has been really good. But you

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Speaker 2: move on, maybe we do. That's who we are as

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Speaker 2: people move on so quickly. It's quite interesting. Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: I know we have spoken to some experts and psychologists

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Speaker 2: in the past with regards to if there's a trauma

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Speaker 2: that happens that that consistency of routine, Yes, is a

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Speaker 2: really important thing to continue on with, Yeah, because it

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Speaker 2: creates that normality that this is way more extreme me

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Speaker 2: saying this in this situation we're in, but it did

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Speaker 2: remind me of that to think, Okay, he's just literally

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Speaker 2: in the last two years, move house twice. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's lots of change, and it's important to keep that

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Speaker 2: sort of consistent routine for him and introduce new things

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Speaker 2: which he was enjoying. But so anyway, that's a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a rant on my.

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Speaker 3: No, but that that's kind of Italian because we're talking

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Speaker 3: about holidays today. But that is children are so adaptable

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Speaker 3: and ash, I won't think back to that time and go, oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm miss.

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Speaker 2: Riding my bike for those No no, no, that's.

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Speaker 3: Because you'll get back to the cool new house he

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Speaker 3: moved into and the pool, all those memories and then,

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Speaker 3: like you said, you've just found again the the bike

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Speaker 3: and the other things in a different area or a

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Speaker 3: different setting. But it does tie nicely.

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Speaker 2: Simon, Oh well, I had no idea. That's deer Wiggle time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and your questions, your dilemmas.

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Speaker 2: We're here from will try and we will, we will

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Speaker 2: do our best. Wigle talk, talk Talk, Wigle Talk.

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Speaker 3: It's Dear Wiggles.

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Speaker 2: Authorized by Simon Luckie.

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Speaker 3: This one's a good eat. It's uh deer Wiggles. School

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Speaker 3: holidays have destroyed our routine late nights, early mornings. Sugar cousins,

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Speaker 3: cousins excitement, how do we keep kids steady when everything

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Speaker 2: Ag.

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Speaker 3: Holidays are great times, aren't they. And our wonderful producer Madeline,

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Speaker 3: when we're talking about this before, said which I hadn't

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Speaker 3: really thought about, but if you think back to being

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Speaker 3: a child, I remember going camping for years. That was

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Speaker 3: our first big family holidays.

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Speaker 3: I remember going to the lolly shop and we definitely

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Speaker 3: were so many great positive things that happened on holidays.

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Speaker 2: and to cut yourself a little bit of slack because

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Speaker 2: the whole thing changes. I was thinking about this today

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Speaker 2: and so of course things are going to be thrown

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Speaker 2: your experiences, what you recall and what you remember from

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Speaker 2: those holidays were just the fun times you were having,

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Speaker 2: not about whether you went to bed late, not about

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Speaker 2: having a great time on holidays with cousins or with

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Speaker 2: an extra ice cream and you would normally not have. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I was thinking too with I've got a steps

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Speaker 3: after him spending some great time with his dad. It's different,

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Speaker 3: and it's not bad, but it's different. And then of

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Speaker 2: The communication is kind of really important with this, and

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Speaker 2: I think we can talk to children. We can communicate

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Speaker 2: You can actually quite openly say to them we're going

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Speaker 2: You can actually just talk through what the changes might

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Speaker 2: if this happens, there's a knock on effect which means

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm just thinking back now to the holidays

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Speaker 2: My grandparents had a little holiday house at a Voca beach,

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Speaker 3: But isn't that the point You're a very young, fifty

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Speaker 2: Now there's a few Wiggles hanging around the studio today. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yep, aj You've you've started something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I'm looking forward to summer holidays. I

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Speaker 2: can't wait it soon. Hello.

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Speaker 3: Hello, right, well we've got our first guest in. She's

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Speaker 3: wearing her outfit.

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Speaker 2: Hello. You brought some colors to the pod.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, great to see you, EVI great.

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Speaker 3: To see you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're read.

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Speaker 2: If you want question, you regret walking past the door now,

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Speaker 2: don't you know?

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it's great to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about holidays, school holidays and routines. Now,

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Speaker 3: first of all, do you have any memories that you'd

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Speaker 3: like to share about your holidays when you were little,

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Speaker 2: Did you remember that too? Glad you came in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the best, not specifically the sugar.

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Speaker 2: That's a good holiday destination.

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Speaker 1: It is summertime all year, it's swimming in the pool,

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Speaker 2: Did you ever go away for school holidays or you

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Speaker 2: Well, where would you go?

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Speaker 2: So coke zero, I wasn't allowed it. No, No, that's right,

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Speaker 2: and you shouldn't. We shouldn't have it today. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: it's not good for you, is it? Loggy? No?

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Speaker 3: I drove to the shops on holidays to get frozen cokes.

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Speaker 2: Which holidays? School holidays?

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Speaker 3: You drove road by bar back in preschool. I took

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Speaker 3: the yo, Yeah, I rode. Yeah, too much sugar.

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Speaker 2: That is holidays. That's part. I think that's part of

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? They probably still do. Like I feel like I've

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Speaker 2: I look forward to seeing you after that, But it

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Speaker 1: Every summer holidays, around Christmas time, Dad would throw the

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Speaker 1: It is the best game. It is just the best.

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Speaker 1: It was just the best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. See that's beautiful. That's all you need.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Christmas decorations, a pool and a ball. That's summer holidays.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, ev, thank you serve you right for walking

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Speaker 3: Well we have sobbed in sa Hi EV left the room,

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Speaker 2: Hi. You like Ev. You're wearing full yellow.

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Speaker 2: We're a bit underdone, locky, I know, but we are

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Speaker 4: Well, mine was not that long ago, like mine was

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Speaker 2: But okay, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Carry on well in recall. I think when I was little,

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Speaker 4: Like with workshops conventions. I think I kind of ended

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Speaker 2: This is the days before the Bargo Beach.

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Speaker 4: This is exactly. This is days before the Bargo Beach.

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Speaker 2: A Bargo Beach. The highest family put in a pool.

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Speaker 4: I did a lot of swimming lessons, my mom put,

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Speaker 3: And schemes exactly.

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Speaker 4: From day one. I still sucked at swimming. My I

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Speaker 2: Be a holiday name just splashing about.

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Speaker 2: And Lucky likes to ask all our guests about sugar

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Speaker 3: Yes, do you remember eving to sugar?

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Speaker 4: I think that still happens now, yeah, I do. I

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Speaker 3: I know that's bad, but it's just.

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Speaker 2: You also have some fruit.

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Speaker 4: a funny story of when I was little, actually in

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Speaker 4: We came back from it could have been the zoo,

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Speaker 2: And that's a happy holiday.

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Speaker 4: And that is a happy holiday, happy.

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Speaker 3: It's impressive. You got them other rappers. This is not

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Speaker 4: It is the party mix, but like it was like

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Speaker 2: So has all started from the holidays?

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Speaker 4: It was the dread. It was knowing that, like you're

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Speaker 2: And no more and no more short backs to bed

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Speaker 4: Back to routine.

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Speaker 2: It's all over.

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Speaker 4: It's all over, back to school, it's all over.

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Speaker 2: Well, we hope you have a wonderful, happy holiday. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there will be some sugar. Oh there'll be

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Speaker 2: with some good healthy eating like I've seen you do too, exactly,

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Speaker 2: and enjoy the Bargo beach.

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Speaker 4: Will I'll be enjoying the Bargo Beach.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on. We will talk to Hime.

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