1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Kurt Tills is accused of 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: glamorizing smoking, the high paying oil rigging brand, Trip Prank, 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Saffron Barker's relationship Backflip, and m Davies's gender Real Party. 4 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: I'm Kate Torbert. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: We always seem to have a scary fashion update for millennials, 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: and this one may shock some people. Apparently after the 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: Oscars peplam tops are back. We have Emma Stone to 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: blame for this. Yes, so she wore a mint green 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: gown that the top of it was a peplam shape 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: and it was from Louisverton. So I think the fact 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: that this is a designer gown shows that this is 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: going to make a resurgence, and a lot of millennials 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: are scared because I remember wearing peplam tops. Everyone wore 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: them to nightclubs with big, chunky necklaces. It was almost 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: as though you were trying to look very business y, 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: and they had those big top buns as well. I 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: saw a TikTok recently and it said everyone in the 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: twenty tens, was just dressing up to nightclubs like they're 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: a secretary, and there were all these paparazzi shots of 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: all the celebrities at the time, and I thought, fuck, 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: we all looked so stupid because I actually remember probably 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: like every weekend I'd wear a blazer or something. Well, 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: the Peplin top. I actually don't mind it for a 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: business look, because I like the fact that there's a 27 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: bit of structure, but I definitely don't think that it 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: is an evening look. See. I was excited that it 29 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: was coming back because there's nothing better than wearing a 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: flowy top. I mean, all everyone's been complaining about these 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: crop tops and you're having to sit there and be, 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, suck your stomach in. I'm welcoming the Peplin top, 33 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: particularly now that I'm pregnant. I think that I could 34 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: be rocking that right now. This makes me more confident 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: that skinny jeans are coming back as well, because a 36 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: Peplin top would look absolutely shitthouse with big baggy jeans, 37 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: because if it does have that nice lock out like 38 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Emma Stone's dress, you've got to wear skinny jeans with it. 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: Do you guys remember those really tight cookhai tops. Yes 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: there the bra Yeah, you'd wear them under a blazer. 41 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: And I used to wear them a lot when I 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: worked as a journalist, and. 43 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: All day they would just sit so tight on your stomach. 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: You almost felt sick by the time you got to 45 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: the car because you'd also be crammed into these skinny jeans. 46 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: It was unbearable. 47 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: I had one peplum top that I used to wear 48 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: to work all the time, and I actually bought it 49 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: accidentally a size too small, but it was quite expensive, 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: and I had this big zip at the back, and 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: one day I actually felt like I was going to 52 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: faint in this top, like it was I was tucked 53 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: in that tightly. See. I actually have two peplum tops 54 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: hanging in my wardrobe that I haven't thrown out. They're 55 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: probably six or seven years old. Maybe they were out 56 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: of date when I actually bought them. 57 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: I just threw mine out recently. 58 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: That always happens, just as the trend comes back and 59 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: you've thrown it out, I've got to call you out. Sofi, 60 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: we were talking about business attire. I have noticed recently, 61 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: every time Sophie and I go to a meeting or 62 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: a shoot, you've got really nice clothes on, but they're 63 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: always covered in bakeup. 64 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's really like grub life vibes. 65 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: So I thought I looked quite professional, but sometimes when 66 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm late to a meeting in the car, old powder 67 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: my face. 68 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: So why yeah, so why it gets. 69 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: Over my hands and if I touch my pants it 70 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: goes all over them. Sofia's got makeup handprints for auto car. 71 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: I love how you're casting your nose down at Sophie's 72 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: business attire, but you're sitting here in an. 73 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: Udi that has popcorns. 74 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: It lucky that we're not recording. We do want to 75 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: start actually filming episodes again, but I'm not dressed like this. 76 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: I am sitting in an udi because Kate has deminded 77 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: that the air condition to be put on, and it's 78 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: like twenty two degrees in here. It's yes, but it's 79 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: thirty two degrees here. Amy. I don't know. There's something 80 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: about you, maybe you're a lizard or something, but you 81 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: don't feel the heat at all. I'm in here literally sweltering. 82 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: I said I'm gonna faint in the sec. I think 83 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I'm the normal one here because you are heating up 84 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: because you're pregnant. But then Amy is as you say 85 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: in this fucking Udie, it is cold in here, but 86 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: it's not that cold, well said Sophie. You're saying you're 87 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: the normal, You're the barhmeter of the weather. But every 88 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: time we have a Zoom meeting, it's hilarious. We jump 89 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: onto this like professional meeting. And so I always rocks 90 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: up in a singlet. Well that's what I wear around. 91 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: I think this just demonstrates how confused millennials are about 92 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: what to wear. I have no idea anymore, but I mean, 93 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: you look like a complete twat if you rock up 94 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: on Zoom and you're wearing a suit jacket. No one 95 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: wears a suit jacket around home, don't you. 96 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: And I've noticed that. 97 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: You do that all the time. I do that sometimes, 98 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: like I'll have track pants on the bottom and then 99 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: on top, like most people do. 100 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: They'll dress up on top. 101 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: But if you're talking to someone important, and especially like 102 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: an older man, something about a singlet just looks unprofessional. 103 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: Don't you hate it when you miss the mark with 104 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: what you meant to wear on a Zoom. So you 105 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 1: are the person that's dressed up, You've got a beauty 106 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: light on. You've got all your hair and makeup done, 107 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: and then the person rocks up in their tracky dacks. 108 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: You're like, damn it, I didn't know that this. 109 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: Was the vibe. 110 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: I think it's a power play though, to be the 111 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: one that is dressed up. Yeah. 112 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone else is definitely feeling like a dag. 113 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: You put your mind to it, and you stop focusing 114 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: on the money aspect of trying to make a career 115 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: out of something and start doing it for the love 116 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: of it and creating these passion projects. It evolves into 117 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: something that's tangible that will become a career for you. 118 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: Kurt Tillis has been accused of glamorizing smoking. In a 119 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: recent Instagram post, the husband of self proclaimed holistic health 120 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: Princess Sarah's Day shocked his followers when he shared an 121 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: artsy photo of himself with his face concealed by a 122 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: black vela claver lighting a cigarette in his mouth. He 123 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: captured the photo the real thieves wear suits Now. The 124 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: backlash was swift, with many people calling Kurt out for 125 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: glamorizing smoking. One person wrote, I'm hoping the cigarette is 126 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: just a prop laugh out loud dope for pictures, yuck 127 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: for real life. Now, Kurt replied, confirming that the cigarette 128 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: was just a prop. Another person commented, I'm confused about 129 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,119 Speaker 1: how a cigarette can be positive marketing. Again, he replied saying, 130 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: not marketing anything read caption, it's more of a statement 131 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: and then he added a winking emoji. 132 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: What the hell does that mean? 133 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: What statement are you trying to make? And also edgy 134 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: and can take cool photo. But it's also clearly been lost 135 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: on people because most of the comments were like what 136 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: is going on with that cigarette? The person actually responded 137 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: to Kurt saying, sorry, I still don't understand there's a 138 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: direct relationship between pop culture that shows slash normalizes, slash 139 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: glamorizes smoking and rates of smoking going up. For example, 140 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: there was a huge amount of women that took up 141 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: smoking after seeing Carrie Bradshaw on Sex in the City. 142 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: Now. 143 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: Kurt did not reply to that person's comment. Someone else 144 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: wrote the gangster side of Kurt, to which he responded, hahaha, 145 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: not a depiction of me, rather a concept I have 146 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: been thinking about for a while. 147 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: I hate all of. 148 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: This art zy crap, like you're not deep enough to 149 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: understand this, but I get it. 150 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: I actually loved the comment. 151 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: Someone wrote Kurt that better be a gluten free organic 152 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: paleo SIGGI yes. A lot of the comments were focused 153 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: on what Sarah must think, so Sarah actually ended up 154 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: chiming in in the comments and wrote, I thought we 155 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: talked about this date number one, which I actually think 156 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: was pretty funny. It got over three hundred likes. I 157 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: was so confused and taken aback when I saw this 158 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: photo because both Kurt and Sarah have built a million 159 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: dollar empire off promoting a fit and healthy lifestyle. I 160 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: know on their original podcast, The Health Code, they spoke 161 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: a lot about how they don't drink, they don't smoke, 162 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: they don't do drugs, and this just seems in complete 163 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: contrast with that messaging in saying that Kurt seems to 164 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: be very different to the original version of himself that 165 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: he put out. He doesn't seem to go to the 166 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: gym anymore. He's very invested in his business, he's got 167 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: a beer. I actually think from a videography perspective, he 168 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: just wanted to use the cool looking cigarette lighter because 169 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: the likes of Peter McKinnon, who he's a big photography influencer, 170 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: He's always doing stuff with lighters, and I think he's gone, 171 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: I want to incorporate this. 172 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: What can I do? 173 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: That's but then why does he have to be the 174 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: model in the shoot? Because Kerr is the founder and 175 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: creative director of creative production agency called House of Groms, 176 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: which he owns with Sarah, and you would think that 177 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: he would understand branding and marketing a little bit better 178 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: to know that this is very off brand for him, 179 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: and most of the commentary is going to be what 180 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: the hell is going on? So I think if he 181 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 1: wanted to explore this concept and messaging, like you said, 182 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: just get someone else to model it. I find it 183 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: strange that he's claiming that it's not for a brand. 184 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's for his personal brand that 185 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: he's putting that up. And that's why it just seems 186 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: so stupid to be putting up a photo that is 187 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: in complete contrast to your actual healthy fitness brand that 188 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: you're known for. 189 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 4: Well. 190 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: I feel like they have done a little bit of 191 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: a backflip recently, because Sarah now talks about how, since 192 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: having her children, her relationship with food is very different. 193 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: It appears that she's no longer gluten free or dairy free. 194 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: She talks about. 195 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Drinking wine when she's out. As you touched on, Kurt 196 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: has been promoting alcohol brands recently. So maybe this is 197 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: all just a bit of a pr move for them, 198 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: and they're trying to get away from that holistic health 199 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: princess persona that they used to put on. Yeah, but 200 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: there's a difference between saying that you're allowing yourself to 201 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: actually eat an abundance of food and not be restrictive, 202 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: then actually promoting something like smoking, which is so terrible 203 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: for you and actually has consequences for your audience. But 204 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: what was it promoting then? Because himself like, is it 205 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: just an edgy photo shoot? 206 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: He's done? 207 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: Well, he was trying to make a message, a clear 208 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: statement about something, it's like, but he couldn't even explain 209 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: what the statement was. 210 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: Wait, so what was the cat something about thieve? 211 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: The real thieves wear suits. 212 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: Is he making a comment about consumerism? 213 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: Well it seems quite hypocritical if so, because their whole 214 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: brand is based on consumerism and selling things and marketing. 215 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of confusion around his message. 216 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: So much though that he couldn't actually explain the message 217 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: when someone asked. 218 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 5: I have to go on a brand troop. 219 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: Really, she won't come on it with me, and I 220 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 3: wanted to see if you would, But it's not till 221 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: the end of the year. 222 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: Influencers are getting behind a new trend which sees them 223 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: pranking their loved ones by announcing they've landed a high 224 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: paying brand trip on an offshore oil rig Sophie, how 225 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: did this all start? Well, this was all started by 226 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: a US influencer called Olivia Masucci. Now she has over 227 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: one million TikTok followers, and she posted a video where 228 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: she rang her dad and told him that she'd been 229 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: approached to go on a brand trip with an energy 230 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: company and on the trip they would have to do 231 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: underwater welding, but they would be paid a six figure fee. 232 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: Now this trend is gaining momentum in Australia with m 233 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: Davies jumping on it. So she posted a video to 234 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: TikTok facetiming her fiance asking if he'd come on a 235 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: brand trip with her to promote oil rigging. Now, she 236 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: claimed to her fiance that Lily Brown couldn't come with 237 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: her on the trip, so would he like to attend 238 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: This is absolutely classic. 239 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 2: Let's throw to what he said. 240 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 5: All right, so you don't don't you don't want to 241 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 5: come up on this PHP oil rigging brand trip with me? No, no, nal, 242 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 5: not really into the oil me. They're paying me really well? 243 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, fifty k for the three days. Yeah? What 244 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 5: type content do you have to do? Ol rigging? Oh? Yeah. 245 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: First, I'm a little bit disturbed that he didn't even 246 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: flinch when she mentioned the fifty thousand dollar feet. Yeah, 247 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: imagine how much she must be getting offered all the time. 248 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: Also the fact that he didn't actually say anything about 249 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: that it might not be a good idea for her 250 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: to align herself with an oil rigging company. He seemed 251 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: more interested in putting his sausage dog puppy on the 252 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: FaceTime instead of actually being involved in the brand trip conversation. 253 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: More interested in putting his sausage on face. 254 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: Well. 255 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson has also partaken in this trend. This time 256 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: she has pranked her dad. Let's throw to what was. 257 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 6: Said weirdly BP. Next month, I'm bringing a bunch of 258 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 6: influencers to do an oil rigging. 259 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 5: Course, an oil review call no. 260 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 6: Oil rigging like under Underwater welding. Yeah, and I just 261 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 6: have to do like a couple of days of like 262 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 6: scuba diving. So I was thinking I could just get Annaboule. 263 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 4: To teach me. Oh, Jesus Chicken, that's freaking weird. What 264 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: just explain what this thing is. 265 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 6: We're just going to like learn how to do underwater 266 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 6: welding for like an oil rigging company. 267 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: I don't really why. 268 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 5: Why for what? Points? 269 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 6: Well, I'm not sure that's why I'm calling you, because 270 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 6: I just thought it was a weird one, Like is 271 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 6: that a cool experience? Like can I go swimming? Is 272 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 6: it like cool swimming? 273 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 4: Well, it's not. I'll mean, underwater welding is quite a 274 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 4: dangerous thing. I mean that's a POxy. Well, the g 275 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 4: underwater means you've got to get like a waterproof plame. 276 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 4: You know, it's underwater, and it's quite it's quite an 277 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 4: evasive thing, right. Actually, I just have no understanding why 278 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 4: they would want to take you to do that. 279 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: She finished up by asking her dad if he wanted 280 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: to come along with her, and he replied saying that 281 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a license to dive, and neither does she, 282 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: and apparently getting a license takes weeks of training. I 283 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: love that it's just been the dads and the boyfriends 284 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: that have been targeted by this brak, because surely if 285 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: they went to a friend, they'd say, wait, one, why 286 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: would you do this with HP? 287 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: And also that is not a true trip. 288 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: I was so surprised how her dad was getting into 289 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: such specifics and details, like you think he would immediately 290 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: say that's not a good idea, but he was like, well, 291 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: we can't really do it because we don't have the 292 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: diving license. 293 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 4: Yeh. 294 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: But I thought that he was kind of trying not 295 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: to tell her what to do, Like I got the 296 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: vibe he didn't want to interfere in her career and 297 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: undermine her, so it was at no point that he 298 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: thought it was a good idea. Does this give insight 299 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: into how bizarre someme of the requests are for these 300 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: trips though? If they actually if this sounded normal to people. 301 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: Apparently just everyday people are also doing this prank on 302 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,359 Speaker 1: their friends and they're saying it's a new job opportunity 303 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: that's popped up and it's really high paying. I think 304 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: it is a reflection on the cost of living crisis 305 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: and the fact that people will do anything to make 306 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: some decent money. I wish Sammy Robinson had dropped how 307 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: much they were willing to pay her too, because I 308 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: would have loved to get an insight into how much 309 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: her going rate is. I reckon Katia Milan's manager should 310 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: try and prank her with this one, because she did. 311 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: We did speak about how a couple of weeks ago. 312 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: She's desperate to lock in some brand trips. Maybe that's 313 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: why her managers not doing it, because the response would 314 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: probably not be great pr for her. I wonder if 315 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: the marketing team at BHP are actually looking at this 316 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: and thinking, how could we twist this and make a 317 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: bit of a joke out of it that would be 318 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: good pr for us, Or maybe they saw how Elizabeth 319 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Arden fared and are like, nuh, we're not getting in 320 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: to influence the troops. I'm actually surprised influencers are getting 321 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: in on this trend because I don't think it makes 322 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: them look very good, particularly someone like m Davies whose 323 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: boyfriend didn't even blink an eye lit at the fact 324 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: and didn't even try and tell her not to do it. 325 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: And also the mention of the fee, Like I just 326 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: don't think it looks good on any of them. Okay, 327 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: let's do my first ever bump date. 328 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: We are seventeen weeks guys and a little baby girl 329 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 5: with them. 330 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Perth influencer m Davies and a fiance 331 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: Joel Gambin revealed to the world they're having a baby 332 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: girl in a backyard gender reveal party. Now, the couple 333 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: went all out with backdrop saying he or she what 334 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: will it be? And a large black gender revealed balloon 335 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: which had baby gambit printed on it. They really did 336 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: go all out, but it kind of reminded me of 337 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: gender reveal parties from back in the day when they 338 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: were more popular. 339 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 340 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't realize that gender reveal parties have been 341 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: around since two thousand and eight. 342 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: And it all started when a us. 343 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: BLN shared in her blog post her cutting a cake 344 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: and revealing pink icing in the middle, and she said 345 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: that she actually regrets popularizing them because she finds that 346 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: they're quite problematic now because there's so much emphasis put 347 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: on what is the gender of the child, and then 348 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: it creates already all of these stereotypes. 349 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: And what you should do for your child. 350 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: It was really nice to see how excited EM got 351 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: when the balloon popped and it was pink confetti. Her 352 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: partner didn't look as thrilled. Well, that's the. 353 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: Other thing that I find really awkward about gender. 354 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: Reveals is there's usually a very disappointed person. And it's 355 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: awkward because there have been a number of gender reveals 356 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: that have gone viral because both parties look incredibly disappointed. Well, 357 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: I got slammed because apparently I didn't show enough emotion 358 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: during my gender Well, that's what's difficult about it, because 359 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: it is a surprise, like how often do you capture 360 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: yourself generally in a moment where you're surprised, But also 361 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: for me because I was happy either way, Like I 362 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: did have a little bit more of a preference towards 363 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: a girl, just because I've grown up with sisters, but 364 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: I was happy to have a boy for me. It 365 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: wasn't this whole Yahoo moment where I'm screaming with delight 366 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: because it's like, oh cool I get to know. But 367 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: I mean I'm quite a reserved person. Yeah, there is 368 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: a bit of pressure, isn't it, on how to actually react. 369 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: That's why it seems very performative. Going back to EM's 370 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: gender revial. She said the whole time through her pregnancy 371 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: that she's had this gut feeling that it's a girl, 372 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: and she said that it's an angel sent from her 373 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: mum in heaven. So it was a really special moment 374 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: that she did capture. It's funny though, because I've been 375 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: watching all her TikTok content and on there, she's been 376 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: really excited about this announcement. However, when she was on 377 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: Lily Brown's podcast this week, I got a totally different 378 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: vibe from her at an office just because she was 379 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: around her friend. But the tone I got was that 380 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: we do know that it wasn't a planned pregnancy, but 381 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: it was a real shock and something that she struggled 382 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: with quite a bit. And for me, I would have 383 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: preferred her to talk about that on her TikTok rather 384 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: than the very glamorized pregnancy announcement. Like I mean, I 385 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: get that you don't want to overly promote the fact 386 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: that you were shocked about it, but it would have 387 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: seemed a bit more genuine because the vibe I got 388 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: was so different on the podcast you can't really put 389 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: up an announcement and seemed a bit bummed in it. 390 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: Like you've got to actually go nah. 391 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm excited, but then you could tell the backstory. Yeah, 392 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: But for m she clearly realizes that pregnancy is big 393 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: business for something, and that's how I felt. I felt 394 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: like it was okay, I'm going to use this as 395 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: a bit of a marketing tactic, whereas I think a 396 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: lot of women would have actually related more if she 397 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: had been honest and said, wow, this is a real 398 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: shock because I'm getting married. 399 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: This wasn't something that we had actually planned. 400 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but at the end of the day, if you're 401 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: having a baby, maybe you're thinking about, well, I want 402 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: to bring in a few extra dollars while I can. 403 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: And for a lot of pregnancy brands, it's difficult for 404 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: them to find ambassadors because there's such a small window 405 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: in pregnancy that you can actually have someone promoting these 406 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: pregnancy brands. Because when you think about it, if you 407 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: wait for three months to announce your pregnancy, that's really 408 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: only five to six months that you can have that 409 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: person talking about all the pregnancy products that they're using. Well, 410 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: actually seven months, well oh my is my mouth' to 411 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: be off. But well, for her, as you said, Kay, 412 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: her whole content on TikTok is Now about pregnancy cravings. 413 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: She created two videos asking her followers to help her 414 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: select her gender revealed dress. She actually ended up going 415 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: for a Sammy Robinson number. So it's a one mile 416 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: gold dress. And it's quite funny because when she put 417 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: up her announcement post, Sammy Robinson wade in saying that 418 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: she felt so honored that she wore her dress for 419 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: the occasion. Of course she did because so many people 420 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: would be like, I need that dress now. 421 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 5: Good morning everyone. 422 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: UK. YouTuber Saffron Barker has hit back at claims she's 423 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: ended her romance with sportsman Lewis Reese zambit Now. As 424 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: discussed on the podcast last week, the pair sparked breakup 425 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: rumors when they unfollowed each other on Instagram, and they 426 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: didn't just unfollow each other. It seemed like Saffron wanted 427 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: to make it very clear that Lewis had wronged her, 428 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: so she ended up unpinning photos of them together on 429 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: her Instagram feed, as well as liking comments that insinuated 430 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: Lewis had cheated on her. She also decided to delete 431 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: a photo of the tattoo that she recently got of 432 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: Lewis's initials. It also appears that maybe she blocked him 433 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: because all of their tagged photos and comments disappeared from 434 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: each other's accounts, which is a telltale sign. And there 435 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of people talking about this on TikTok, 436 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: but it also made the UK press. Yeah, it was 437 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: in the Daily Mail and the Sun. It was being 438 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: splashed everywhere. Now a week on and the couple have 439 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: done a complete backflip. Saffron responded to a TikTok comment 440 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: asking if she and Lewis were together, writing was all 441 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: just a big misunderstanding and we are together and so 442 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: happy now. A source close to the couple has also 443 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: released a statement to media saying Saffron and Lewis are 444 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: very much together and have not split. They are happy 445 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: in their relationship and continue to focus on their careers. 446 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: Lewis has remained faithful to Saffron throughout their relationship and 447 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: they remain a strong couple navigating a long distance relationship. 448 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: So if we're reading between the lines, Saffron has called 449 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: this a misunderstanding, So what I take from that is 450 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: that yes, she has thought that Lewis was cheating on there. 451 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: Someone has sent through some screenshots of him cheating, and 452 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: he has talked his way out of it. He has 453 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: turned things around, saying it's all not true. This is 454 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: just so embarrassing for everyone involved. Now, I do need 455 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: to mention the pair of them are twenty three, so 456 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: I get it. I have been through shit relationships in 457 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: my early twenties, and I probably would have done petty 458 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: things like this, except I don't have a public platform. 459 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: You would have thought Saffron would have learned not to 460 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: air her dirty laundry in public before she knew the 461 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: full story. I feel a bit sorry for her though, 462 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: because it's really embarrassing, as you said, and she's got 463 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: this relationship podcast, and of course a lot of the 464 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: people who follow her are now waiting to see what 465 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: she actually says when she's come back. So she's been 466 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: in Dubai for a holiday. So this week she dropped 467 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: an episode and it was. 468 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 2: Some boring thing about dreams. 469 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 5: Well. 470 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was weird because normally they talk about 471 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: relationship topics, so it did seem like they were trying 472 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: to distract away from it. But then again, I do 473 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: think perhaps the episode was recorded before she went away. 474 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 2: It definitely was. 475 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: It was a filler episode. So now the spotlight is 476 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: going to be next Tuesday when she drops her episode, 477 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: because she has been talking a lot about Lewis in it, 478 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: and she's also been kind of giving a lot of 479 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: advice to her friend UK influencer Anastasia kings North about 480 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: how you should be treated in a relation. She keeps 481 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: saying if he wanted to, he would. I think the 482 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: thing that is sad is that everyone can see through 483 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: this media statement and I can just I feel for 484 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: the manager who's had to put this together because said job. 485 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: A lot of people have been saying it's Wendy her mother, 486 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: who's written, well, it would be awkward to have to 487 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: be like, oh, so, so was he faithful to you? 488 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: And she has to be like, no, you have to 489 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: put this out. I don't like though, because everyone's been 490 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: putting the blame on Saffron. They're like, she's so clingy 491 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: because if you look back at her tiktoks, she did 492 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: one about what their baby would look like in AI 493 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: and everyone's been calling her a stage five clinger, and 494 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: now I think a lot of her haters are just 495 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: relishing in the fact that she's come out of this 496 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: looking foolish. 497 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: When can't we just focus on the fact that clearly 498 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: this guy's a dickhead. It will be. 499 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: Really interesting to see if she's got a clear pr 500 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: strategy in trying to rebuild him, because she made their 501 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: relationship look perfect online and that illusion has been shuttered now, 502 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: so it will be really difficult to see him in 503 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: a vlog again. 504 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: Not to think he's a complete work guy, but yeah. 505 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's come out of this looking quite bad. 506 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: I know the focus is on Saffron, which is just 507 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: gendered and really unfair. I just want to see what's 508 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: going down in her group chat with Anastagia kings North, 509 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: because her podcast is meant to be a bit of 510 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: an insight. They kind of have it like it's a 511 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: FaceTime conversation, but I want to see what are they 512 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: really saying because all of her friends and family unfollowed 513 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: him and now they've had to do the dirty follow back. 514 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: I would more like to see her friend chat without 515 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: her in it, because that telltale story of the poor 516 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: girl who's being lied to and just wants to believe 517 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: the fantasy of what he's saying. I think it really 518 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: suits Saffron at the moment. That he is still over 519 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: in the US. So what I think will happen is 520 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: she'll go quite quiet on the relationship, but then she'll 521 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: amp it up when she goes and visits him or 522 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: they meet up in the maur Diar. Really, I think, 523 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: if anything, she'll want to make it clear that they're 524 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: still together and that they're going strong. Now she won't 525 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: be seeing a lot of him, She won't address it, 526 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: but will see a lot of their perfect relationships. How 527 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: do we see a lot of it when he's in 528 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: the US. And then it'll probably be like, oh, here's 529 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: another love letter he sent me, here's a package. She 530 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: knows that people can read between the lines. You don't 531 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: want to be putting that content out there, particularly on TikTok, 532 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: because everyone will be ripping into it. 533 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to wait and see. 534 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: Because surely having a relationship podcast, she's going to have 535 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: to address the rumors at some point. Yeah. Well, even 536 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: not addressing them speaks volumes as well, because she'll have 537 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: to at some point say my boyfriend or my ex. Well, 538 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thanks 539 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: for joining us for another episode. If you do enjoy 540 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: the podcast, please leave us a five star review. Also, 541 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: I do love it when people share where they're listening 542 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: to the podcast from. This podcast was recorded on the 543 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 544 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present.