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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one oh four point nine three sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I know that so many of us are keeping a

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Speaker 1: when our time may come for that vaccine. Now joining

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Speaker 1: Executive Michelle McKay.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Michelle, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now, Michelle, I understand that you are overseeing the rollout

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Speaker 1: of the vaccine here in the Northern Territory, aren't you.

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Speaker 3: That's right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, how many vaccines have been administered so far

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Speaker 3: So, as you know, there's two arms to the program.

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Speaker 3: There's the arm that the Northern Territory Government is doing

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Speaker 3: and that the Comwealth government is doing. In total, we've

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Speaker 3: delivered million, nineteen and a half thousand vaccinations already. The

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory Government's done just over thirteen thousand of those.

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Speaker 1: And is that around on track as where you'd hope

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly for the Northern Territory government program, our plan

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Speaker 3: had been initially to vaccinate those Phase one A workers,

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Speaker 3: to take the first eight weeks, and that group had done.

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Speaker 3: Of course there's new people coming into the group and

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Speaker 3: in now progressing with Phase one B, which for the

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Speaker 1: So all of those Phase one A predominantly are done

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's quite a large group, but we're pleased

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Speaker 3: with the progress today. Of course, your listeners will know

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Speaker 3: that a Targi gave us changed the device last week

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Speaker 3: to have to recalibrate our program. So while we continue

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Michelle, how has that changed advice really impacted the

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Speaker 3: So the advice is, of course that people for people

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Speaker 3: fizor vaccine preferred is the word that the Specialist Committee

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Speaker 3: have used. They've said that people under fifty can have it,

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Speaker 3: It's causing us to reconsider how people access the vaccines

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Speaker 1: And how is that impacting us in the territory right now?

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Speaker 1: Like you said, there's now those two factors that come

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Speaker 3: So there are certainly some impacts for people who are

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Speaker 1: Michelle, how is that impacting the role out then in

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Speaker 1: Yes, now, are you finding that there is any resistance

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Speaker 1: Now my understanding is that the astroseneka is obviously a

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Speaker 3: A number of communities have had vaccinations already. In some cases,

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Speaker 1: I know that nationally there has been reports some doctors

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Speaker 2: Is that the case for us here in the territory, Well.

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Speaker 3: Certainly this last week we have seen a lot of

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Speaker 1: How many cancelations are we talking? Is it sort of

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Speaker 3: Look, I couldn't give you an exact number, Katie, but

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Speaker 1: Michelle, are we going to be setting up mas mass

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Speaker 3: I think when we think about mass vaccination where we're

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Speaker 3: That's not dissimilar to the way we manage normal vaccine

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Speaker 1: To websites, Michelle, can I just ask finally this morning,

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Speaker 3: I think the number one see for people to remember

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Speaker 3: is that regardless of the particular advice about it Astra Zeneka,

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Speaker 3: the overwhelming advice from a TARGI is the best thing

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Speaker 3: you can do is get vaccinated. We are so fortunate

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Speaker 3: in Australia and in the territory that we've seen very

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Speaker 3: little community transmission. Very few Australians know anyone who's died.

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Speaker 3: That's a different case, of course to other parts of

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Speaker 3: the world, so we sort of we're so fortunate, but

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Speaker 3: equally we don't see the impact of the disease. We've

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Speaker 3: had about thirty thousand cases of COVID in Australia and

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Speaker 3: nearly a thousand people have died, so that's you know,

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Speaker 3: one in thirty in round figures. So I think that

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Speaker 3: bit isn't as visible to us when we're weighing up

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Speaker 3: whether we should get vaccinated or not. Maybe getting vaccinated

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Speaker 3: when it's my plan. I'm very pleased that my elderly

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Speaker 3: mother has already had her first job and and I'd

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Speaker 3: encourage everyone to think of it that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be doing the same.

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Health Deputy Chief Executive Michelle McKay. We really

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