1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: It is time for the Week that was, and I 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: am pleased to say that. 3 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: Joining me this morning Jared Mayley, the Deputy Opposition leader, 4 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: good morning to you. 5 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners. 6 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 2: We've got Keysier Puric over there, the independent member for Goda, 7 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. 8 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 4: Good morning Katy, Good morning to all those bush people 9 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 4: out there. 10 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: And we have got Laura Friday, Lauren. 11 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: Moss, who is the Minister for Various Portfolios. Good morning 12 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: to you this morning. 13 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 5: Laura, good morning, good morning to everyone listening. 14 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: And he's made his return. Matt Cunninger Man wanting I'm 15 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: back in the studio now. Look, I will start the 16 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: show with the very sad news that we learned yesterday 17 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: that well Robin Lanley was due to be on the 18 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 2: show this week. She was going to be joining us 19 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: in the studio for the Week that was, But as 20 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: we all know, in incredibly sad news, her and her 21 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: husband Craig, and their daughter Alice have lost Harry, her 22 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: twenty three year old son, who was holidaying in Greece 23 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: with friends from Alice Springs when he was involved in 24 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: a terrible accident. I know that the whole community of 25 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: Alice Springs right now is really really hurting. I said 26 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: it yesterday on the show, and I think that for 27 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: all of us that sit in here on a Friday morning, 28 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: you know, we fight, We certainly get pretty animated in 29 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: here sometimes, but everybody's got a lot of respect for 30 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: each other. It doesn't matter what side of the political 31 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: spectrum you sit on. We've all got a lot of 32 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: respect for each other. And I've got a lot of 33 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: respect for Robin. I don't always agree with what she's 34 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: got to say, but I know that she's a bloody 35 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: good mum and Craig's a bloody good dad, and my 36 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: heart goes out to them, and I know that everybody 37 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: in this studio feels exactly the same. 38 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie. 39 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's just there aren't really any words, 40 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 5: are they really. It's probably the worst thing you could imagine, 41 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 5: And so our hearts definitely go out to Robin and 42 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 5: Craig and Alice, and you know, I know Natasha's reached 43 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 5: out to Robin as well. We're just I think we're 44 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 5: all pretty heartbroken for her, really, and yeah, it's just 45 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 5: really awful, niece. 46 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, and to be so far away. 47 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: That's the other thing I think you know, like family 48 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 4: is family, doesn't matter what they do in their work profession. 49 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 4: And you know how we work with Robin and Craig 50 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 4: a hubby, but you know, when you lose a family member, 51 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 4: it's just a hole that will never close over. 52 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the territory, we haven't got that many people 53 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 3: up here really, and people know someone but have an 54 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 3: extended family, and it just feels that Robin must be guarded. 55 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 3: I feel very I've got a young family, and I 56 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: could just imagine if one of my daughters away on 57 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: my son to just be terrible, so the young I 58 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: feel for her. 59 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 4: He'd have his cohort of friends, like he'd have all 60 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 4: his mates from primary school and high school. And if 61 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: you went to UTI, I don't know, you know. So yes, 62 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: there's the immediate family family number one, but he's got 63 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: his other families, you know. So all those other families 64 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 4: associated with Robin and Fregan Alys, they're all hurting too. 65 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 7: Point four two K. 66 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 8: And we have our disagreements among everyone who works in 67 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 8: politics in the media, but when something like this happens, 68 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 8: I just think it puts all of that into perspective. 69 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 8: And you know, I think a lot of people are hurting, 70 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 8: and you know they're really thinking of Robin and her 71 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 8: family at the moment. 72 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, without a doubt, we must certainly are. 73 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: Now let's get into this of the week and in 74 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: what is incredibly you know, I guess, interesting. 75 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: And breaking news this morning. 76 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: We know that the Northern Territory Police Association have revealed 77 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: initial survey results of the long awaited survey into the 78 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: confidence of the Northern Territory Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker, amongst 79 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: other things. Now I'll take you through some of these numbers. 80 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: Seventy nine point nine percent of respondents said that they 81 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: do not have confidence in the Police Commissioner, mister Jamie Chalker. 82 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: Ninety two point six percent of respondents said they do 83 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: not think that there are enough police in the Northern 84 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: Territory to do what's being asked of them. Seventy nine 85 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: point four percent of respondents rated current morale in the 86 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: Northern Territory Police Force as low or very low, and 87 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: eighty seven point nine percent of respondents said that they 88 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: were dissatisfied or very dissatisfied with the current pay freeze 89 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: offer from the Commissioner and Governor. These results are damning. 90 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: I don't know how. 91 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: They're going to go moving forward. 92 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you've got ninety two percent of the police 93 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: force saying that they don't think that there are enough 94 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: of them to do the job that they've been asked 95 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: to do. And you've got seventy nine percent of respondents 96 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: saying that they don't have confidence in the police commissioner 97 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: in their boss. Now, I want to make it really 98 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: clear as well that the Police Association represents around ninety 99 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: nine percent I believe of the police force. So this 100 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: isn't like some of the other union groups where you 101 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: maybe don't have such a big take up of that membership. 102 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: In this case, you are talking about a high membership. 103 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: All up one and forty four members took part in 104 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: that survey. Now, I've got to tell you, when we 105 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: do a survey to find out how we're rating on radio, 106 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: there's only a thousand people that take part in that. 107 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: We certainly know, you know, the sentiment of the community. 108 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: If this doesn't give you a snapshot of the sentiment 109 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: of the police force and nothing else is going to well, it's. 110 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 8: One forty four members, Katie, out of a total of 111 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 8: one thy six hundred and a who are eligible to participate. 112 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 7: So I think that gives you an indication. 113 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 8: And the Police Association saying that that's the highest general 114 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 8: survey results ever received by the NTPA, second only to 115 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 8: the payballot in twenty seventeen, so you're right, they are 116 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 8: extraordinary numbers. Jamie Chalker walked into. I don't think as 117 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 8: a new police commissioner you could walk into a more 118 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 8: difficult set of circumstances than he confronted when he started 119 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 8: in that job. He started the job two days after 120 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 8: Constable Zachary Rolf had shot dead Combe and Joe Walker 121 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 8: during that botched arrest attempt in Yundo Moo, and two 122 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 8: days before Consortable Rolp was charged with murder, and three 123 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 8: or four months before the world was hit with this 124 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 8: pandemic and police were stretched to every corner of the 125 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 8: Northern territory. So I think you need to look at, 126 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 8: you know, those as the driving factors. But I think 127 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 8: the Rolf matter in particular, that has caused a great 128 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 8: deal of angst amongst rank and file police officers. 129 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 7: Now you know whether that's right or wrong, I don't know. 130 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 7: That's the perception. 131 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 8: That is the perception, And the police Commissioner even said this. 132 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 8: I went and watched back the press conference he did 133 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 8: a week or so after Constable Rolf was found not guilty, 134 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 8: and he said one of the unfortunate things was that 135 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 8: certainly Consortable Rolf had the perception that he wasn't treated 136 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 8: fairly in the decision to charge him with murder. Now 137 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 8: there's an ICAC investigation into those events at the moment, 138 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 8: and I think one of the most concerning things that 139 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 8: came out following the trial was that there were contemporaneous 140 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 8: notes from several detectives who were working on that case 141 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 8: who were saying, hang on, not hold up, we don't 142 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 8: have enough evidence here to place murder charge. And there 143 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 8: was certainly a belief that there was a direction from 144 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 8: people higher up to say, no, we want you to 145 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 8: go and charge him, and that there certainly a lot 146 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 8: of people in the Northern Territory Police Force who don't 147 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 8: believe that that is the proper process that should have 148 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 8: been followed. Now the IKAK will no doubt look into 149 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 8: this and get to the bottom of exactly what happened there. 150 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 8: But I think that whole affair certainly has had a 151 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 8: major contribution to those numbers you're seeing, and that's. 152 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely you do think it raises a few things, just 153 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: a morale or the police must be terrible working in 154 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: a situation. We've got such a large number and they 155 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: do a great job. You know, they're out there if 156 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: you call them, and they come around the best they can. 157 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: And it just really I really feel for the morale 158 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: the police. I might know that my dad was a policeman. 159 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: I grew up in a police family and I know 160 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: from growing up and what it's like and how close 161 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: they'll work together and they really rely on each other. 162 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 3: And it just really really shows that the Labor government 163 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: have lost a ball. They've been in power for six years. 164 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: The colp of Call for at least two inquiries in 165 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: relation to this. This hasn't just come up and we 166 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: wake up today and go there's a problem with the police. 167 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: This has gone worse and worse over a number of 168 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: years and it just really shows that the former police 169 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: medicine or Col Madison and her advisor lost it, lost 170 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: a plot, really left it to the police to deal 171 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: with and now we're in a terrible situation and territory 172 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: and do aren't out there can look after. 173 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: Well and look I think for probably the last year 174 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of commentary about, you know, about 175 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: Jamie Chalker as the Police Commissioner, a lot of you know, 176 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: a lot of commentary about the way that various different 177 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: things have been managed or been handled. But by far 178 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: and large, you know, one of the things that we 179 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: have been hearing from the Association and particularly Paul McHugh 180 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: over recent weeks and months is that, you know, the 181 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: rank and file needed to be asked these questions and 182 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: we needed to get a better understanding from the rank 183 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: and file as to exactly how they are feeling. Now 184 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: what's going to be incredibly interesting is to see the 185 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: way in which these results are going to be utilized. 186 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm of the understanding as well that there is you know, 187 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: it wasn't just to tick the box kind of survey. 188 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: It's like you're given the opportunity to also provide commentary 189 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: around why you may feel a certain way when it 190 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: comes to the answers that you are giving. 191 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: But you know, to have that huge a number of. 192 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: The force to not feel as though they've got confidence 193 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: in the police commissioner is quite unbelievable. 194 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 8: The key thing here, Katie, because the previous comments from 195 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 8: both the police commissioner, and I think you had the 196 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 8: Deputy Commissioner, Michael Murphy and here making comment about this 197 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 8: was that they believed it was a small number of 198 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 8: very vocal people. I think this survey shows that it's 199 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 8: a large number of vocal, very vocal people. 200 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 6: It does. 201 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean the people who are listening to 202 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: this will know that when you're doing surveys, you know, 203 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: you look for you look at the methodology, and then 204 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: like you said, you look at the percentages of returns. 205 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 4: And I'm sure within that survey, if you've said they've 206 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: done commentary, there will be commentary to specific areas, whether 207 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 4: it be well that's my understanding, the training, whether it 208 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 4: will be infrastructure, whether it were the vehicles, whether it 209 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: be the rostering. I mean, I know one particular gentleman 210 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 4: who joined the military late, joined the military, joined the 211 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,599 Speaker 4: police late in his life. He'd come out of the 212 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 4: army and he was going to be one of those 213 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 4: people that was very good. He stayed a year thereabouts 214 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 4: because they kept digging him around with rosters in Darwin 215 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 4: and they were going to send him here and they're 216 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: going to send him there. So in the end he 217 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 4: just said, I'm not going to put up with this rubbish. 218 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 4: And that's just one teeny little example. And he since 219 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 4: left the police force. So it's fine to have people 220 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 4: wanting to come into the police force. And I know 221 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 4: there's a squad soon to graduate, but it's all those 222 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: other commentaries, you know, the one thing, for example, have 223 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 4: they split it down to get the commentary from female officers? 224 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: Now? 225 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 4: I know there are no senior female officers within the 226 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 4: executive or the next level down there used to be 227 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 4: And for whatever reason and feedback I get from women 228 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 4: who are in the police force now or who are 229 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 4: ex police officers, there was a perception a concerted effort 230 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 4: to move women out. Now, whether that's going to come 231 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 4: through in some of the commentary, I don't know. 232 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 6: But there are a. 233 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 8: Lot of women who held senior roles in the Northern 234 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 8: Territory Police Force that we know of over past few years. 235 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 8: And someone and you think of the caliber of some 236 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 8: of those police you're talking about, calling Gwin, Jeanette Kerr, 237 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 8: narel Bia. I mean there's three, just off the top 238 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 8: of my head, very senior Northern Territory police who've left 239 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 8: the police force over the now. Some of those certainly 240 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 8: Colleen Gwynn and Janet Kerr. That happened before Jamie Chalker's appointment. 241 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 8: But I think you're touching on a pretty well. 242 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you would have to think, and Lauren, I'm 243 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: very keen to find out from you this morning. I 244 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: mean you would have to think that the government is 245 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: literally holding crisis talks this morning. I would you would 246 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: have to think that the police force are holding crisis 247 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: talks this morning. I mean, to have a police force, 248 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: we're talking about the people who who are doing so 249 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: much in the Northern Territory. They're relied on every single 250 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: day to do so much to fight crime, to try 251 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: and bring down the rate of domestic violence, to try 252 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: and keep kids off the street. You know, there's to 253 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: manage drunks around the place. And they're saying that they've 254 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: got sort of not enough resources or not enough of 255 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: them to do their jobs, and they don't have confidence 256 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: in their leader. 257 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: Are there christ Talk's being helped. 258 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 5: Look obviously in terms of the survey results, they came 259 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 5: out not long ago this morning, you know, before I 260 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 5: came in here, and I know that Kate Warden and 261 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 5: US as a government will be taking the survey results 262 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 5: exceptionally seriously, So it is a big return. 263 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: It is a lot of feedback. 264 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: Jared and I've literally been really contribute, but. 265 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 5: Look, you know, it is a big return on that survey. 266 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 5: It's something that we need to listen to, and we 267 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 5: do take their concerns exceptionally seriously. And I know that 268 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 5: Kate will be making sure that she's meeting with the NTPA, 269 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 5: and they've obviously got a conference coming up over the 270 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 5: next week or so, so we certainly won't hide away 271 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 5: from those those issues. I think Matt hit the nail 272 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 5: on the head around some of the complexities of the 273 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 5: last couple of years. And you know, the Commissioner has 274 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 5: got an incredibly difficult job. The last two years I 275 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 5: think have been exceptionally complex in terms of what he 276 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 5: has been dealing with since he became commission But I 277 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 5: think you also, you know, talk about, you know, what 278 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 5: we expect police to do and the complexities of the 279 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 5: issues they're dealing with at the moment, and I think 280 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 5: that's a really important conversation as well. Jeanette Kurz down 281 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 5: there in Alice Springs at the moment, she works in 282 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 5: a very senior role in territory families and she's actually 283 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 5: offline from other jobs at the moment to work on 284 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 5: a public social order plan down there across agencies in 285 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 5: Alice Springs. So I think the other part of this 286 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 5: is we often go to police as the first porter 287 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 5: call on complex issues that actually require a non police response, 288 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 5: and I do think there's some areas where we can 289 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 5: lift effort there. And that's certainly what we're talking about 290 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 5: as a government, is how we can make sure that 291 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 5: it's not just falling to police all the time to 292 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 5: deal with issues that really shouldn't be escalating to that 293 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 5: point and then it could be another agency. 294 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: And that's definitely a point I think that is, you know, 295 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: well worth making. But look, the other point that I 296 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: think is well worth making is, you know, the headline 297 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: today is certainly going to be the fact that seventy 298 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: nine point seven percent of respondents don't have confidence in 299 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Police Commissioner. 300 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 4: And Katie, if that was a chief executive of any 301 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 4: other organization, whether it be in the public sector or 302 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 4: the private sector, if your workforce has no confidence in you, 303 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 4: I would think that your position has become untenable. I mean, 304 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: if you look at it from and not that I'm 305 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: a military person, but what that survey tells me is 306 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 4: those officers across the charity are not prepared to go 307 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: behind their chief into battle. And that's a serious problem 308 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: for us as a territory, but also for the government. 309 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: I mean, if he stays in the role, though, doesn't 310 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: it keep a dark cloud over the police force at 311 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: this point? 312 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 6: Well, look, the survey results are what they are. 313 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 4: The officers, the rank and file, at whatever levels wherever 314 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 4: they are in the Northern Territory, huge numbers of them, 315 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: over a thousand police officers have taken the time and 316 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: trouble to put pen to paper. Now, I've found in 317 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: my life and my jobs, if people take the time 318 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 4: and trouble to put pen to paper and write down something, 319 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 4: they are serious. So pay attention and that's what the 320 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 4: government's got to do. These officers out there, it's so 321 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: given that they do a good job. They do the 322 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 4: best job they can every day. Those officers out there 323 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 4: do not like their commissioner and they are very unhappy 324 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 4: and that's not good for the police force across the territory. 325 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: I mean, is it a point here or is it 326 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: a situation here? As well, where you know the government 327 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: has been quite resistant. I guess there is that sentiment 328 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: around the community as well, where you know the government, 329 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: even the association to some degree has been quite resistant 330 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: to sort of you know, to say that the force 331 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: doesn't have confidence in the Police commissioner. And now, I mean, 332 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: these results make it so incredibly clear that the rank 333 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: and file. 334 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: Don't and k like I said, we need u to 335 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: wake up this warning with these figures. This has been 336 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: on the wall for a while. And I know that 337 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 3: Leah asks in estimates, you know what the plan is 338 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: in relation to, you know, getting the police back on track, 339 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: and Labor couldn't come up with a plan. And I 340 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: just heard in the minister to say that we're going 341 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: to do a plan, but ultimately it seems to be 342 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: as all going to be a plan. But we've known 343 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: this for a while. The charity needs action right now 344 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: because the forallat from this is crimes going through the roof. 345 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: People aren't feeling safe in their own homes. There's breakings 346 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: all over the place, people are getting salted and stabbed 347 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: in the main streets. It just really comes back to 348 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: it's time for action. Something needs to happen and in 349 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: that space, it's not just a plan another plan here 350 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: in another plane. We need some actually, we need to 351 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: stop it. People aren't feeling safe. 352 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 5: There has been lots in place for a long time, 353 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 5: I think, and Natasha Files said this when she became 354 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 5: Chief Minister. We know we need to have another look 355 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 5: at what we needed to do differently, and that's what 356 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 5: we're doing. And you know, say what you like, Jared. 357 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 5: We we've invested a lot. We've invested a lot in police, 358 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 5: We've got record investment in police, and we've got a 359 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 5: whole range of other programs in place. But obviously there 360 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 5: are some areas where we need to do things differently, 361 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 5: and that's what doing things like having Jeanette Curve down there, 362 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 5: having a look at how we can do things better. 363 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 5: I think that's really important and I'm looking forward to 364 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 5: us taking what we learn from that and doing it, 365 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 5: you know here in Darwin, and looking at how we 366 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 5: can replicate that. But you know, I'm not going to 367 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 5: take the criticism that we shouldn't be looking at how 368 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 5: we can do things better. And it doesn't mean that 369 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 5: we haven't been working incredibly hard to deal with the 370 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 5: very complex issues across the Northern Territory because we have 371 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 5: no You can't polish your way out of a lot 372 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 5: of these. 373 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: Issues you record. 374 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: Because one point that I do want to make is, 375 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: you know this one about their ninety two point six 376 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: percent of respondents saying that they don't think there are 377 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: enough police in the Northern Territory to do what's being 378 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: asked of them. 379 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: I think this is a really. 380 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: Important point to make because it goes to the heart 381 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: of you know, what we hear very often sort of 382 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 2: sitting in here on the phone lines, when I hear 383 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: from businesses who've been broken into, you know, you hear 384 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: from from individuals who who've had their car style and 385 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: wait times, and you know, even when you talk to 386 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: you know, businesses that have spoken to us about anti 387 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: social behavior and the lord mayor calling for more police 388 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: on the beat. Now, I'm certainly not an expert in 389 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: this in this space, so I'm not going to profess 390 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: to know more than what the Police Commissioner does or 391 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: more than what the Northern Territory Police do that are. 392 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: Working on the ground. 393 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 2: But it goes to the heart of what the community 394 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 2: are saying at the moment that they don't feel as 395 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: though you know there are enough police on the. 396 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 4: Beat and if that's if that's their perception, that's their reality. 397 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: Well then to hear it from the actual police, I 398 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 2: think is what's an incredibly important pole thing is. 399 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 8: That that goes back into what we're seeing in the 400 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 8: results of the survey, and I think probably one of 401 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 8: the most concerning things over the past couple of years 402 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 8: has been the high attrition rate of Northern Territory police officers, 403 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 8: and I think that's what's making it so difficult for 404 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 8: the government because they can go on recruitment drives, which 405 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 8: they're doing, but they're just not hanging on to. 406 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 7: The people who are leaving. 407 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 8: That's why the morale issue that you see come up 408 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 8: in this survey is so important because that low morale 409 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 8: is seeing police officers leave the Northern Territory Police Force 410 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 8: and go into stay. 411 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: My example, experience the experienced police officer, you know, the 412 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 3: bloke who's been on all the lady's been on the 413 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: beat for twenty years. You know, I knows how to 414 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 3: handle people. And you get some new person who's done 415 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 3: the training, but you need a bit more experience to 416 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: be able to still be an effective police officer. 417 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 4: I believe any I mean, I mean, it's my drummer 418 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 4: beat all the time. You know, Like taking the school 419 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 4: based constables out of schools and putting auxiliaries in was 420 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 4: never a good move and I will continue to say that, 421 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 4: and it was a wrong decision by the police commissioner 422 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 4: to me me, we're flatat even hanging on to the auxiliary. 423 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 4: Now it's a big school like Sanderson, you know, and 424 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 4: we need those constables who want to actually want to 425 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 4: be in there to work with youth. 426 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 7: You know. 427 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 4: So there's that example, and you know, and the fact 428 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 4: that I know that at one stage, I think it 429 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 4: might have been a year ago, the police commissioner said, 430 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 4: you know, the town based people. 431 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 6: Would have to go out Bush. 432 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 4: Now, that's not realistic when you've got a child or 433 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 4: children in your family who are right at that critical 434 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 4: age of fourteen fifteen in high school to say you've 435 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 4: got to go live at Marin Bois. It might be 436 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 4: okay when they're little tackers, you know, they can move 437 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 4: around primary schools quite easily, but you know, to do that, 438 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 4: that was just that was just not a good decision. 439 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 6: It was poor managed. 440 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 8: I think that's an important point. But because it'll be 441 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 8: interesting to see that comes out in the comments. But 442 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 8: I know speaking to someone who left the police force 443 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 8: during the twelve months, and he said the reason was 444 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 8: and it wasn't that he had to go Bush. 445 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 7: He just knew he wasn't going to get a promotion. 446 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 6: He didn't. 447 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: And I think that's rather than asked, is rather make 448 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 4: it incentive. You know, like we know you get more 449 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 4: out of people by giving them honey than vinegar. So 450 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 4: there should have been incentives for officers to go and 451 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 4: live remotely rather than say you will live remotely. 452 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 6: Well, find some incentive. 453 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 4: I don't know what incentives you could find, but there's 454 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 4: lots of young families. 455 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 8: I think the other point, if you're forcing someone to 456 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 8: go Bush to do a. 457 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: Great job, they're going to be very unhappy. 458 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: But you know, the other like, the other point I 459 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: think this again is so incredibly worth making, is that 460 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: there are a lot of people at the moment that 461 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 2: don't feel safe in the community. You know, business owners 462 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: who feel really concerned about what's going on in the street. 463 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: You know, like I'll give you an example. 464 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: Last night or this morning, I've got a phone call 465 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: from my mother a big block that our family owns 466 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: a big commercial block. The business that's on the back 467 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: of our block got broken into last night. I'm not 468 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 2: sure exactly what's been stolen, but six foot gate with 469 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: you know. 470 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: With barbed wire at the top that's been knocked down. 471 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'm talking about a seven year old woman 472 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: then inside our little self contained unit out there, very 473 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: concerned obviously, when she's woken up about all of that 474 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: damage and wondering exactly what's gone on, called the police, 475 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: and the police said to her, do you think someone 476 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: needs to come out? She said, well, yeah, I do 477 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: think someone needs to come out. You know, I need 478 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: some help. And the point here that I'm making is 479 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: not that you know that the police aren't going out 480 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: to different things, but the point that I'm trying to 481 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: make is that, you know, if they feel as though 482 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: they've not got the resources to go out to some 483 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 2: of those different things, then to me, that really points 484 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: to the fact that they're actually not able to do 485 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: their jobs to the to the extent that they would 486 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 2: like to be able to. 487 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: Do them as well. And you know, and the community 488 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: is screaming out for it. 489 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 2: So I don't know exactly what's going to happen as 490 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: a result of this survey. I am going to be 491 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: speaking to the Police Association President Paul mceute just after 492 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: ten o'clock this morning. 493 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 4: But yeah, they need they need to also look and 494 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 4: I don't know whether CLP did it during estimates, but 495 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 4: my understanding is police officers have unlimited sickly now. I 496 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 4: have heard that there is a high level of absentees 497 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 4: and by police officers who probably genuinely need to have 498 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: time away from the workplace and so you know, are 499 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 4: using up their sickly now. They're probably doing it for 500 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 4: a number of reasons. They're genuinely unwell, you know, physically, 501 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 4: but there's probably the pressure of being in an unhappy 502 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 4: and toxic workplace. And that's how it's been put to me. 503 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 4: So if you're getting a high level of absenteesm that 504 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 4: tells you something about your organization, you know, whether it 505 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 4: be a public sector police force or even in the 506 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 4: private sector. And you know, yes, police policing is a 507 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 4: complicated issue, but it's not the only complicated thing we 508 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: have in our side. I look at when Christine Holgate 509 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 4: from Australia Post got into the issues, she did all 510 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 4: her staff supported her. I don't know if people remember that, 511 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 4: but you can have a complex organization of which Australia 512 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 4: post is. 513 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 6: Policing is complex. 514 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 4: It's got its own particular issues and challenges and things 515 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 4: of that nature. So you get the person in that 516 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 4: job and then they've got to perform, and if they're 517 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 4: not performing, then the officers, the rank and file are 518 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 4: going to tell you so. And that's what they're doing 519 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 4: and have done through this survey. So it's a big 520 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 4: problem not only for the senior management of police, it's 521 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 4: a big problem for thy government. 522 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: Now. 523 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: Look, I am of the understanding that. 524 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: This morning Kate Warden, the Minister for Police, appeared on 525 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: ABC in Alice Springs. She was asked whether she'd seen 526 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: that police survey and whether she was concerned by the numbers. 527 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: That's seventy nine point seven percent of members who responded 528 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: to the survey had said that they didn't have confidence 529 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: in the Police commissioner. Now, Warden had said, all the 530 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: police do a fantastic job. Brassey, who obviously hosts that, 531 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 2: I would said does the police commissioner have your confidence? 532 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: She said yes, I will, yes, I will continue to 533 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: work with the Commissioner on some very very important matters. 534 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: It's no doubt that the police have had a very 535 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: very rough two or three years under COVID. It's been 536 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: particularly challenging right the way through. I did meet yesterday 537 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: with the Commissioner and I'll be having a chat hopefully 538 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: later today with the NTPA. Now the host says about 539 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: those stats, and the Minister said, there are challenges all 540 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: the time with this. I meet regularly with the NTPA, 541 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: just as I do with the Commissioner, just as I 542 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: do with the Fire Commissioner. 543 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: So look, I'm sure that there is. 544 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 2: Going to need to be a real sort of look 545 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: through these survey results, but I don't know where it's 546 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 2: all going to land. 547 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: We'll all keep it very close on it, I'm. 548 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 5: Sure, and I have no doubt you'll be onto Kate 549 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 5: and definitely about that as well. 550 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: I know that Lee. It was also trying to organize 551 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: a meeting with a police association to see where these 552 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: figures are going to take us moving forward, because I 553 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: remember an estimate he was asking questions that the government 554 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: refuses there there's no problem here to move on. So 555 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: obviously there's a problem when we need to deal with 556 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: it and need to deal with it quickly because we're 557 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: talking about territory and safety here, we're talking about people, 558 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 3: the police officers themselves, their own safety. Because we spoke 559 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: about taking time off. It's just something needs to happen 560 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: right Action needs to happen right now. 561 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: Well, we'll take a very short break. You are listening 562 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: to Mix one oh four nine's three point sixty. It 563 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: is the week that was. If you have just joined us, 564 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: it is indeed the week that was. Jared Maylee, Matt Cunningham, 565 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: Keesi Apuric and Lauren Moss in the studio with me 566 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: this morning. Now throughout the week, you may have heard 567 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 2: on the show. Well, a lot of people were listening 568 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: to this interview that I did with John Lawrence sc. 569 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: He has pleaded with territory. 570 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: Judges to refuse to send defendants to pack to the 571 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: rafters prisons that are bordering on unlawful. Now, if you 572 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: miss that interview with John Lawrence a little bit earlier 573 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: in the week, he's just a small amount of what 574 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: he had to say. 575 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 9: The Minister is breaching, breaching grossly her duty of care 576 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 9: and keeping prisoners in the conditions that they're currently for under. 577 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 9: For instance, the overcrowding thing. That client that's on Friday. 578 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 9: He's in a cell for two and he's number three 579 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 9: and he's sleeping on the floor, and the other tour 580 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 9: in bunk bits. Now this is going on all around 581 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 9: the prison. There are even prisoners sleeping on mattresses in 582 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 9: the reception area. Now that's just not on and it's 583 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 9: probably unlawful. And unless somebody puts their hand up, puts 584 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 9: the foot in the door, makes a statement says not 585 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 9: good enough, fix it, it's going to deteriorate. And it's 586 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 9: Mount Etna, you know, a prison in situation like that, 587 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 9: full of men with backgrounds such as that is a volcano. 588 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: So that was John Lawrence Yssay on the show a 589 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: little bit earlier in the week. And I also noted 590 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: this morning, I believe ABC News Wash reporting that a 591 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: correction stuff I believed had taken action last weekend after 592 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: I believe there was some maintenance work due to happen, 593 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 2: which meant that they had felt that they wouldn't be 594 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: safe in the corrections facility. And we will at some 595 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: stage try to have the union on about that. 596 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 6: Now. 597 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: I know that there'll be plenty of people listening to 598 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: the show and I said this to John Lawrence earlier 599 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: in the week. There'll be plenty of people listening this 600 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: morning thinking to themselves, do you know what they're prisoners? 601 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: They've broken the law. I don't actually care. They deserve 602 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: to be in jail, and I understand that that. You know, 603 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: it may be how some people feel, but ultimately what 604 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: you want when people go to prison is for them 605 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: to be rehabilitated and come out better. 606 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: People want they've gone to. 607 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 4: Jail or they're on ramand because they've committed a crime 608 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 4: and they've yet to be come to court, allegedly committed 609 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 4: the crime and yet to come to court. And those 610 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 4: who've gone to court and found guilty, they're in jail 611 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 4: to do their time. But you're right, jails, as far 612 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 4: as I can recall, are there to serve the time, 613 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 4: do your punishment for being bad, but also to perhaps 614 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 4: learn your skills, to have rehabilitations such that when you 615 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 4: come out of jail you are perhaps a better person 616 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 4: and be understand what you did, your consequences, and try 617 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 4: and get on with a life like the rest of it. 618 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 4: So what concerns me, Katie is and I think this 619 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 4: came out in estimates or one of the interviews with 620 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 4: the boss of the jailah you did, he says about 621 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 4: nineteen hundred people in our jails across the territory and 622 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 4: just under half I think it was are on remand 623 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 4: now they're on remand waiting for their court case. Now, 624 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 4: if I can just digress a slightly, we have six 625 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 4: Supreme Court judges. Okay, now, twenty years ago or thereabouts, 626 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 4: we had six Supreme Court judges. But the case load 627 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 4: twenty years ago was about thirteen or fourteen hundred cases 628 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 4: per year. I have got the figures, but not in 629 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 4: front of me. The caseload now is about four thousand, 630 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 4: and that's criminal. 631 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 6: I don't know about civil. 632 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 4: So they're not getting before the court system because we 633 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 4: don't have enough Supreme Court judges. Now I have written 634 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 4: a question on notice to the government about this. Why 635 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 4: is there reluctance to put on a new judge. I'm 636 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 4: talking about Supreme Court, not lower court, to try and 637 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 4: get some of these people on remand get them out 638 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 4: of the system. And Jered might have some comments to 639 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 4: be given his background as a lawyer, then you wouldn't 640 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 4: get the overcrowding. So it's one thing to have the overcrowding, 641 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 4: but you got to look why is it overcrowded because 642 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 4: there's a lot of people in it. So you've got 643 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: to look at those on remand I think versus those 644 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: who in prison following their trial, to get them out 645 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 4: of the system, get them back into community as working, decent, 646 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: law abiding adults. 647 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's definitely an issue. 648 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 8: The thing that's remarkable about this, Katy, that prison only 649 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 8: opened seven years ago. 650 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 7: It's costing taxpayers. 651 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 8: One point eight billion dollars over thirty years, and it's 652 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 8: been riddled with defects since it opened, Absolutely riddled with defects. 653 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 7: To the point where on the cheap Yeah, well probably. 654 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 8: And John Laurence said that when I spoke to him 655 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 8: this week, he reckons that's the case. And the thing 656 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 8: is like since it opened, remember there was the issue 657 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 8: with the sally Port door when it first opened, issues 658 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 8: with the prisoners. I don't know whether it's still the case, 659 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 8: but for a long time they were restricted to two 660 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 8: flushes of the. 661 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 7: Toilet per day. 662 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 8: I mean, I know, we say, oh, well, you go 663 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 8: to jail, bad luck, but there's a certain level of 664 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 8: decency that you have to treat anyone with even if 665 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 8: there's someone who's committed to crime. 666 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 7: And the other. 667 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 8: Issue is that because of the chaotic state of that facility, 668 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 8: as keys you said, they're not getting the rehabilitation that 669 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 8: they're supposed to get in the system. Now, I've got 670 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 8: a report that's four years old now that KPMG did 671 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 8: that showed that there was I think it was either 672 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 8: the zero or one person had completed the sex offender 673 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 8: rehabilitation program. Now I don't know what the twenty twenty 674 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 8: two figure is, but you'd be hoping it's a fair 675 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 8: bit better than that. And the other issue is the 676 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 8: similar issue we're dealing with the police, right which is 677 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 8: the shortage of staff. Because the other people who suffer 678 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 8: because of this situation are the people who work in 679 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 8: that facility, the prison officers. 680 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 7: And very senior prison officers. 681 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 8: And over the past six years, I have seen two 682 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 8: now Corrections commissioners be treated absolutely appallingly when they have 683 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 8: been given the shit sandwich of having to run that facility, 684 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 8: you know, And I just think there's got to come 685 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 8: a point where we say this is just not working. 686 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 8: We need a total relook at the way it's being done. 687 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 8: Because it's not working. For the people who work in 688 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 8: the facility. It's not working for the prisoners and it's 689 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 8: not working for the community. I'm seeing people go to prison, 690 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 8: don't get rehabilitated, come out community of the crime exactly. 691 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 3: Yea, I will take a step back. Our crime rate's 692 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: gone through the roof. I think it's gone up almost 693 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: fifty percents in the last six years. If the people 694 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 3: don't do the crime, they wouldn't be in the prison. So, 695 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: you know, putting aside the argument about you know you 696 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: could do the time you're going here, who cared about 697 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: the prisoner? You know, I agree with you, it needs 698 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 3: to be some decency. But if they didn't do the 699 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 3: crime to start with, they wouldn't be in it in 700 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 3: that prison system, so numbers would be down. So it's 701 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 3: truly up to the government to put in steps and 702 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: take from a plan to reduce the crime. And we 703 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 3: all know the crime through through the territory has gone 704 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: through the roof no matter where you're talking about it. 705 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 8: Point Jared is that I mean, you've worked, you're a lawyer, 706 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 8: worked in the system. If there's no rehabilitation, the crime 707 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 8: is going to keep going up because they go to 708 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 8: jailly come out. 709 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 3: But the rehabilitation is a one part of it. Just 710 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 3: the social aspect of people. You know, they're getting the job, 711 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 3: getting the people working here, getting people off the street, 712 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: giving some meaningful employment, getting some sort of action to 713 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 3: get to stop the crime and to make sure that 714 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 3: these people have got a life to go to, and 715 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: I know that some of these people have terrible homes 716 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 3: to go to. We need to fix all those those 717 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: route problems to get before they're into the system, because 718 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 3: once you're in the system, it's very difficult. And you're right. 719 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: I have been to the prison lots of time to 720 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 3: see my clients, and getting into the prison and then 721 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 3: going to meet your clients is such a delay, And 722 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 3: that's one of the why it's so remind because you 723 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 3: try and book to go to the prison and then 724 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 3: they ring up and say you can't get there, so 725 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 3: you can't go and see your client. So then you've 726 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 3: got to put your court case off to journ it. 727 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 3: So that whole delay after delay after lay is because 728 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 3: you can't get into se him, and when you do 729 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 3: get to see him, it's pretty poor that services you 730 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: go there, You've got to get all. 731 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: That moving on and there does seem to be some 732 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: serious issues. I mean, he's a situation where the government's 733 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: sort of out of sight, out of bight. 734 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. 735 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 5: I know that Chancey is the Attorney General, is acutely 736 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 5: aware of the current issues and it's something that he's 737 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 5: constantly looking at and that we're looking at as a 738 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 5: government obviously. You know, I think much whoever mentioned it 739 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 5: before is correct around courts and making sure that we're 740 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 5: supporting courts and the Bush Court process, and we're making 741 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 5: sure that those you know, that legal services are supported 742 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 5: and people can be represented and the cases can be 743 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 5: heard and we can move that through. Quicker has to 744 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 5: absolutely continue to be a focus, you know, and the 745 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 5: other things that Jared's talking about around we have to 746 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 5: make changes to what's happening in terms of dysfunctional families, 747 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. Well, that's the hard work that 748 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 5: government's doing. But you don't see those changes overnight. We 749 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 5: know that we have that debate on probably on a 750 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 5: weekly basis. You know, that's the generational change work that 751 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 5: government's been on the journey of for a long time. 752 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 5: And I think we've been really really explicit about what 753 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 5: we're doing in that space. But you don't see those 754 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 5: changes overnight, and we know that. But yeah, look there's 755 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 5: some there's pressures on the system at the moment, and 756 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 5: you know, we've got an Aboriginal Justice Agreement. Programs delivered 757 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 5: in our prison system are an important part of that. 758 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 5: And you know, making sure that people have got access 759 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 5: to education as well and training and those sorts of 760 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 5: things is a really important part of making sure that 761 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 5: our system is not just churning out worse offenders who 762 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 5: will just end up remaining in the system or when 763 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 5: they're not in the system, out causing bigger issues in 764 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 5: our community. It's really important work, and it's. 765 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 2: Really absolutely and that's the whole point I suppose at 766 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: the moment, isn't it if they're not actually if they 767 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 2: are not actually doing those programs and there's no space 768 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 2: for them. And he's saying it's like Mount Edna at 769 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 2: the moment, it's a volcano that's about to explode. 770 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a real worry. 771 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 3: Well, because you remember these governments, the labor government being 772 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 3: in power for almost seventeen our last twenty years, when 773 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 3: you're talking about intergenerational change in time to fix it, well, 774 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 3: the labor government have had control the leave for a 775 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: long time, and the crime has gone through the roof. 776 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: Look, we might take a very short break. It is 777 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: the week that was. 778 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: Let's talk petrol prices, because we know that these petrol 779 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: prices remain well at the terminal gate, they continue to 780 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 2: come down. I want to just take you through these 781 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: prices today, Darwin. At the terminal gate, it's at a 782 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 2: dollar fifty four point two now. On Monday this week 783 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 2: it was at a dollar sixty two. When you head 784 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: across to the bowser, the average is a dollar ninety five. 785 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: And then when you take a look at your unleaded. 786 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: Prices, well, it's going to be a similar Sorry, when 787 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 2: you take a look at your diesel prices, it's going 788 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,479 Speaker 2: to be a similar situation. So your terminal gate price 789 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 2: today for your diesels at a dollar seventy seven last 790 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: or on Monday this week a dollar eighty five. Now 791 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: at the bowser, the fairest you're going to find it's, well, 792 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 2: the fairest is two dollars thirteen, but then it's two 793 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 2: dollars twenty. The average is two dollars twenty. So the 794 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 2: point that I'm making, obviously by reading out those terminal 795 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 2: gate prices is that they continue to go down and 796 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: they have done now for a number of weeks. But 797 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 2: we really have not said movement at the bowser for 798 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 2: a long bloody time. I don't know if you filled 799 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: your car up, but of course. 800 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: An arm and a lamb. 801 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 4: My car is a little car with a little tank, 802 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 4: and yes it was one hundred and ten bucks I 803 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 4: think thereabouts. But the Price Exploitation Prevention Act, I know 804 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 4: it's been talked about, I think on this show with 805 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,240 Speaker 4: the Consumer Affairs Commissioner. 806 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,479 Speaker 6: I know it's been talking on other media. 807 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 4: Outits my research and the advice given to me is, yes, 808 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 4: the government can use this piece of legislation to fix 809 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 4: a price. Now how they do that, they'd probably have 810 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 4: to have an instrument under the legislation. Now, do they 811 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 4: say a percentage from the gate price like marg yeah, 812 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 4: marchin ten percent whatever, or they set an actual price. 813 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 4: You know, it can only be you can only get 814 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 4: ten cents, fifteen cents whatever. This legislation is nineteen forty nine. 815 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 4: It came in and that's when at the time there 816 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 4: was a price fixing for eggs, milk and bread because 817 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 4: of exploitation at that point in time. This legislation was 818 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 4: used during and after the cash and floods when there 819 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 4: was exploitation of soft drinks in the town and the 820 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 4: consumer people at that time, and the Controller under this 821 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 4: legislation fixed the price of those soft drinks because the 822 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 4: businesses were exploiting. 823 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 6: They were just ripping off the community something terrible. 824 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 4: So I know I heard the commissioner person say, no, 825 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 4: she can't use this because you can't interfere in market 826 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 4: force's best bullshit. But we all came out the government 827 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 4: can use this legislation and they should get their advice 828 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 4: from the List of General to work out how they 829 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 4: need to do it. 830 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 2: And like that margin today is forty cent with respect 831 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 2: to the commission that margins forty cents per later and we've. 832 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 4: Been hoped off and the government is sitting idly piece 833 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 4: of legislation on the table on the statute books that 834 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 4: they can use. So I say to the government, the 835 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 4: Attorney General, look at this legislation and sure the companies 836 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 4: they're going to react, course they are. They're going to 837 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 4: push back. They're going to soof off and get their 838 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 4: own high paid barristers and challenge the government stare them down. 839 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 6: It's just going to. 840 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 4: Take some courage from the Chief Minister in the Attorney 841 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 4: General to say enough enough, you're ripping off territories and 842 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 4: we're going to set the price. You watch the prices 843 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 4: come down there. 844 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 3: Then they'll say the government to call an in which 845 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 3: they can do Tomorrow's actually live the seal people. And 846 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 3: to do this we've got to wait until the next parliament. 847 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: But you know that's going to get these people in 848 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 3: to get the summons of fuel, come to get them 849 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 3: in to explain what they're doing, because you know, maybe 850 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 3: there is a good rising right but I don't believe it, 851 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 3: but maybe there is. We just need to know why 852 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 3: it is and it'll just drive down the price. Because 853 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 3: I come in from the rural area every day and 854 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 3: I've got a big land cruise with a big fuel tank. 855 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 3: It costs literally three hundred and fifty dollars to fuel 856 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 3: in my car. I do write my bike ridden my 857 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 3: bike in But it's just it's really the cost of 858 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 3: living is affecting everyday territories right across the board. To 859 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 3: remember big fuel prices, talk about transport and the territory 860 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 3: relies on trucks, we've got big distances, we've got live stock, 861 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 3: we've got farming. All those things all comes back to 862 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 3: fuel needs to act. The government need to do something. 863 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: So next month the fuel exercise comes. 864 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 3: On exactly and do it right now if they if 865 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 3: they chose to. But they seem to. 866 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 5: Put their head and I call on the fuel companies 867 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 5: and maybe there is a reasonable expectator or maybe there 868 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 5: is reason or the Chief Minister has written to the 869 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 5: ahriple c. She has written to a few companies and. 870 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 3: Not until she got some pressure on it, and this 871 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 3: inquiry would put them in and you can ask him questions. 872 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 3: You're not just writing a letter. You get a nice 873 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 3: drafted response back. Put him in a incendible witness box 874 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 3: or in a room and say explain it to us. 875 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 3: Then we could go back and forward and you can 876 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 3: drill down and not just get a ask the question, 877 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 3: get a response two weeks later, and have to respond 878 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 3: another two weeks later, another month down the track. 879 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: I can't understand why the government's not being tougher on this, 880 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: and they need to be. 881 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: Because you know, you're talking about sticking up for the. 882 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 2: Heartbreaking territory and like we're talking about hard working territori 883 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 2: ands who are saying, hang on a sect, this is 884 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 2: not good enough forty cent margins. Now, I will definitely 885 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 2: point out that I have had a petrol company or 886 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 2: a petrol station get in contact with me and say Katie, 887 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 2: I am you know. They may not be independently branded, 888 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 2: but they are one that has to purchase their petrol 889 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 2: from the major supplier, and there is a transport like 890 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 2: there's transport that's added on to that and a couple 891 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 2: of factors that come into play. 892 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 1: Now I am all ears if that's the case. 893 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 2: But if you're talking about some of those major companies 894 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 2: that are purchasing the petrol or they've got the petrol themselves, 895 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: and then it's it's going out to their service stations. 896 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 2: You go, they are having a laugh, they're taking the piece. 897 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 2: They think they can get away with us. 898 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 3: And remember the service action. Don't you make money out 899 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 3: of fuel? You go and buy some chips and lollies 900 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 3: from the service station. Normally it's like, you know, it's 901 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 3: pretty expensive. I take my kids there and I've got 902 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 3: to pay out because they want this and want that, 903 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 3: So there's an opportunity to my kids and then and 904 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 3: then so ultimately you go there and put your fuel 905 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 3: in your car, and also you've got to buy an 906 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 3: ice cream and a drink, and those prices are expensive, 907 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 3: and you take your family there the. 908 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 8: Side of that, and you talk about the exercise cut 909 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 8: that's ending in September is one of them. 910 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 7: And I know there's been. 911 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 8: A lot of lobbying for the federal government to continue that. 912 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 8: But the other thing we've got to be mindful of 913 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 8: the moment is that inflations through the roof, and one 914 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 8: of the things the Reserve Bank's trying to do is 915 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 8: to drive down that inflation by lifting interest rates. 916 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 7: And I think. 917 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 8: That the danger of certainly from the federal government's point 918 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,760 Speaker 8: of view, if they were to continue with the excise 919 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 8: cut and the price of fuel was to ye is 920 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 8: that then it has a contributed effect to inflation, which 921 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 8: is going through the roof. 922 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 7: And I think that we're in a bit of a 923 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 7: quandary at the moment. 924 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 8: I think, just generally speaking, with the cost of everything, 925 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 8: I think we're all going to have to wear it 926 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 8: for a little while that things are costing more because 927 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 8: until that discretionary spending slows down, and one of the 928 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 8: things driving is the fact that we've had the buckets 929 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 8: of money poured into our bank accounts during COVID, and 930 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 8: now we're seeing the consequence of that. 931 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 2: On the flip side, I don't necessarily know that the 932 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 2: excise needs to be extended, but I actually think the 933 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 2: federal government and the territory government, like governments all around 934 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 2: the nation, actually need to say, well, like you said, Keezy, 935 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: I have to show a bit of courage and say 936 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 2: to these fuel companies, hang on a sec you know, 937 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 2: like we've obviously, you know, we're subsidizing this excise, but 938 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 2: the prices are still through the roof, you know, if 939 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 2: you were talking about that forty cent margin for in 940 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: our case here in the Northern Territory. Well, and then 941 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 2: there's the excise's like what is being pocketed at this 942 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 2: point by the companies. 943 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 4: And we in the Northern Territory are the only sub 944 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 4: national jurisdiction that is suffering this way. All the others 945 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 4: have got it under control, either by direct contact between 946 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 4: the governments and fuel companies and fuel suppliers and petrol 947 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 4: station industry. Whereas up here where we're heavily reliant upon transport, 948 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 4: it's putting the price up for everything I told you 949 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 4: last week about the cost of hay you going up 950 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 4: because of transportation and petrol coust. 951 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,280 Speaker 6: It's across the board. 952 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 4: Government needs to be courageous, use the legislation and tell 953 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 4: the companies that they're going to send a message to them. 954 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 2: We are going to have to take a very short break. 955 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 2: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. Well, 956 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 2: we've just about run out of time. I have gotten 957 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 2: a studio with me, Jered Mayley, Matt Cunningham, Keesy Epiric 958 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 2: and Lauren Moss. Now just very quickly before we wrap up. 959 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 2: I know there has been a lot of discussion over 960 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 2: recent days about the Funny Bay by election, and it 961 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 2: was really interesting actually earlier in the week when Robin 962 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 2: Lamley spoke to me on the show and said that 963 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 2: she thinks the only way forward for the Conservatives to 964 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 2: win a Northern territory election again is if the Conservative 965 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 2: pollies rejoined each other. 966 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: Kesier, come on rejoining. 967 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 4: No, I've said publicly I'm not rejoining the CLP. However, 968 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 4: I'm happy to work with the COLP. You know I've 969 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 4: come from the CLP. I'm a conservative person. I share 970 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,720 Speaker 4: similar values, you know, similar policy position. 971 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 6: Why wouldn't I work with them? 972 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 4: Having said that, also, I can work with the Labor government, 973 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 4: but only when it pertains to things that are realistic 974 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 4: and common sense and trying to get legislation right. But 975 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, of course I'll help the CLP in 976 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 4: the parliamentary setting Jenedan Mats. 977 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 6: To rule areas. 978 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 4: But no, there's nothing in it for me or my 979 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 4: constituents to rejoining the CLP. 980 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 2: Mat. I know that this is something you've written about before. 981 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 2: I've found an interesting column and it's something that you've 982 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 2: certainly written about before. That about something I mean, yeah, 983 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 2: we're all puts that. 984 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 6: It's common sense. I can understand that people. 985 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,720 Speaker 7: Thinking that I've got to stop writing. 986 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: Can I just say something. 987 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 4: Something in defense of the c LP people keep hanging 988 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 4: on to the previous governor of the c LP. Right 989 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 4: that those people have gone quite spectacually. I have to 990 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 4: admit in a general election that's gone. 991 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 7: Except for the two who became independent. 992 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: That's this is this. 993 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 4: Is a new batch of the members of Parliament. And 994 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 4: I personally, and I've said this pubtly before, I think 995 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 4: Lea does does a really good job in and out 996 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 4: of the Parliament. 997 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,839 Speaker 6: So just get over the fact. 998 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 4: Yes, Charles and Ton and all those codes they've gone 999 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 4: rights previous. 1000 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 6: Lady you want do you want CLP? 1001 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 3: We're a broad Church. 1002 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: Application. 1003 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 3: I think that I'm talking to people, these people who 1004 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 3: had a gut full of labor. 1005 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 8: And it was the same thing last time I was 1006 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 8: in here. 1007 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 7: Last time was married booth. Yeah, that's the same as. 1008 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 8: She came up, but she'd been go on hammering Tom's 1009 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 8: at cake Warden saying you never answered the question. 1010 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 7: You dodge the question every time. Can you give us 1011 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 7: a great answer? And as soon as you asked her 1012 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 7: about that, yeah, application question you want to go into politics? 1013 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 7: If I could be in opposition all the time. 1014 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 2: We are going to have to wrap up because we're 1015 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 2: going to catch up with Paul McCue from the Northern 1016 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 2: Territory Police Association in just a moment. 1017 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, thanks so much for your time this morning. 1018 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you everybody. 1019 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, thanks so much for your time this morning. 1020 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 7: Dale and Salty Saturday Night Think Big Final. 1021 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,839 Speaker 2: Go Salties Awesome, go the Salties Keasy appearing, thank you, 1022 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 2: and Lauren Moss, thank you so much. 1023 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 5: And I hope everyone enjoys some festival activities next week 1024 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 5: or saying absolutely