WEBVTT - The Three-Way Feud & The TikTok Call Out 

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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<v Speaker 1>hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Torber and coming up on today's show. A micro

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<v Speaker 1>influencer has called out podcasters Lucy Jackson and Nicky Westcott

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<v Speaker 1>over a festival run in a TikTok couple is facing

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<v Speaker 1>backlash for appearing to leave their kids unattended while they

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<v Speaker 1>dined out on a cruise. And our highs and Lows

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<v Speaker 1>of the Week, But first old wounds have been reopened

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<v Speaker 1>as a messy three way feud has broken out between

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<v Speaker 1>the country's most controversial reality stars. Former Math's contestant Cyrel

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<v Speaker 1>Paul is at war with Sky Wheatley and Jessica Power

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<v Speaker 1>after they shared their thoughts on a viral clip of

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<v Speaker 1>Cyrel's recent appearance on The Amazing Race. Now, So, if

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<v Speaker 1>things have kicked off over the last few days, but

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to rewind a bit to Cyrel and

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<v Speaker 1>her partner Eden Dally's appearance on The Amazing Race. Amazing

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<v Speaker 1>Race producers have struck gold with this couple. They clearly

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<v Speaker 1>knew what they were doing by casting Cyrel and Eden

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<v Speaker 1>because both of them have appeared on reality shows before,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have both brought fireworks to those shows, so

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<v Speaker 1>Cyrel is no stranger to controversy. She appeared on Maths

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen and she quickly earned herself the title

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<v Speaker 1>of cyclone Cyrel. So she made headlines when she threw

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<v Speaker 1>a glass of white wine in fellow Maths contestant Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>Power's face. She also found herself at the receiving end though,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had forgotten this because Martha Calor for Titas

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<v Speaker 1>she was on the same series. This was the most

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<v Speaker 1>iconic series of Maths, and she poured a glass of

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<v Speaker 1>red wine over Cyrel's head at one of the dinner parties.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you forget that? I think that was the

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<v Speaker 1>most iconic scene that has ever been in Maths. I

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't realize that they were all on the same series.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this was five years ago. Well, her baby

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<v Speaker 1>daddy Eden. He also has a fiery temper because when

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<v Speaker 1>he appeared on Love Island in twenty eighteen, he was

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<v Speaker 1>involved in a scuff with Grant Crap. So Grant Crap

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<v Speaker 1>was couped up with Taylor Demir. I can't even imagine

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<v Speaker 1>the two of them talking now. They won the show

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<v Speaker 1>because he turned out to have a secret girlfriend. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the time it was touted as a punch

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<v Speaker 1>up between Eden and Grant, but I went back and

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<v Speaker 1>had a look at the clip and no punches were

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<v Speaker 1>actually thrown, but they both grabbed one another by their

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<v Speaker 1>shirts and there was a lot of swearing and yelling

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<v Speaker 1>and they had to be pulled apart by the other contestants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that the UK was also screening Love Island

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<v Speaker 1>Australia at the time, and everyone was so excited over

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<v Speaker 1>there because they'd never seen such a big fight in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK version. Yeah. I have never seen the UK

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<v Speaker 1>guys fight with one another. If anything, it's a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a boy's club and they always back each other. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like one fight and then they're like sorry mate, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no worries, it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The Amazing Race kicked off last week on Channel ten

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<v Speaker 1>and it is airing on Sunday and Monday nights. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's safe to say that free to air TV has

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<v Speaker 1>taken a huge battering, and it's clear that the networks

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to draw in younger viewers, particularly by selecting

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<v Speaker 1>contestants that strike a chord with gen Zetters because we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen gold Co's influencer Lily Brown and Jack Kenny on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, which I think is a fantastic move. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't tuned in yet, but seeing Lily Brown and

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<v Speaker 1>there really sparked my interest and I think I may

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<v Speaker 1>actually watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We can see that The Amazing Race is working hard

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<v Speaker 1>to get these younger viewers in because they are sharing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of snippets from the show in the form

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<v Speaker 1>of reels in order to entice people to come and watch,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, I always forget when the free to

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<v Speaker 1>air shows are on. And The Amazing Race Australia's Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>account currently has thirty three thousand followers and they created

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<v Speaker 1>their first viral moment by sharing an altercation between Cyrel

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<v Speaker 1>Eden and Ian Thorpe and his longtime friend Christian Miranda.

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<v Speaker 1>I never thought that I would speak about Ian Thorpe

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<v Speaker 1>in the same topic as Cyrel and Eden, but here

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<v Speaker 1>we are. Let's throw to the clip we.

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<v Speaker 3>Have to dig before Christian about us foulnia, about what

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<v Speaker 3>about us following you to dig?

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<v Speaker 1>You were? What do we say that's something in the car?

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<v Speaker 4>Was we made the wrong term with the men about.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about you being how smart, That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Yeah, and you ain't that. You ain't swimming

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<v Speaker 1>right now either, to an import friend known as an

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<v Speaker 1>imports friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Just so you know, it's not you, it's all him.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Mary.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're welcome, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got anything else smart to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Christian to keep.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe when you don't know nothing, you keep your mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what you should do. Your side, Kim, we could

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<v Speaker 4>hear them carrying on.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not even buying into it.

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<v Speaker 4>Like with such a threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. They're following up a bit rich of

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<v Speaker 1>Cyral who was on maths what five years ago, to

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<v Speaker 1>be questioning the authenticity of one of the other contestants. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing. It's quite an unusual move from a

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<v Speaker 1>reality TV contestant to demean someone else over their celebrity status,

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<v Speaker 1>because generally in TV land, it's reality contestants or influencers

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<v Speaker 1>who are having to prove themselves because generally they're viewed

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<v Speaker 1>as having no talent and that it's an easy ride

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<v Speaker 1>because they've got these followers that have just popped up

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<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere. And in this instance, Christian isn't the

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<v Speaker 1>only amazing race contestant without a profile, because Peter Hellier

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<v Speaker 1>is on there with his wife. There's Billy Brownless who

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<v Speaker 1>was on there competing with his son. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't understand why she was throwing around her weight like

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<v Speaker 1>this and trying to big note herself. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>love it. It's completely petty. It's great for reality TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't like it though, because I just think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a really disrespectful way to speak to Thorpi and also

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<v Speaker 1>his friend Christian. Did you expect much more from her?

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't, but she's well known for throwing a glass

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<v Speaker 1>of wine in someone's face. I didn't, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of listeners like me will have a

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to this because this is a goal medalist, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an Olympian, he has done a lot for our country.

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<v Speaker 1>And this friend though well, but she was also directing

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<v Speaker 1>it at Thorpy as well, saying, oh, you're not swimming.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it was really disrespectful. It was one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent disrespectful. But as I said, I would not

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<v Speaker 1>expect more from these two. They've been brought in to

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<v Speaker 1>cause drama like this, and they're going to continue throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the whole series. Well, it did elicit a strong response

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<v Speaker 1>in the comments section, and a majority of the viewers

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<v Speaker 1>were appalled by their actions. One wrote embarrassing those two

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<v Speaker 1>are back on TV, whilst another said she should take

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<v Speaker 1>her own advice. She is the one who needs to

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<v Speaker 1>keep her mouth shut because her mouth runs more in

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<v Speaker 1>this race than her feet so far, whilst others questioned

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<v Speaker 1>who even is she and why is she taking a

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<v Speaker 1>crack at Ian Thorpe, who is actually a celebrity and

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<v Speaker 1>an Australian legend. Well, I'm getting the vibe that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Sky Wheatley is a Thorpy fan too, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>where she entered the chat. So she shared the clip

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<v Speaker 1>of Cyrel's argument on the Amazing race on Instagram story

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<v Speaker 1>and wrote, Cyrel is so scary guys, I'm having PTSD

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<v Speaker 1>watching this from our little interaction we had with a

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<v Speaker 1>crying face emoji. She then appeared on her Stories from

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<v Speaker 1>her Turkey hotel room where she was recovering from her

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<v Speaker 1>Fox I lift and said this.

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<v Speaker 3>If you guys don't know what I'm talking about, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to put the link to the video from the

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<v Speaker 3>interaction that we had, But I swear it was like

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<v Speaker 3>set up because the girl next to Cyril was already

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<v Speaker 3>filming anyway, I'm like, not problematic at Actually, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>could say I'm problematic who has yellow? But I was

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<v Speaker 3>actually just asking her questions and I didn't realize she

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<v Speaker 3>would react like that.

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<v Speaker 6>But then after it.

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<v Speaker 3>Happened, I was like, am I in an episode of

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<v Speaker 3>mass Like? It was crazy? But she ranked great TV.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually really excited to watch the amazing race this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This that's the interaction that Sky is referring to, is

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<v Speaker 1>a fight that broke out between the pair at an

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<v Speaker 1>influencer event in twenty twenty two. And this event in

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<v Speaker 1>question was ironically for well known mums to promote baby formulas,

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<v Speaker 1>So it just seemed like a really innocent and wholesome event.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is not how the event went down. So

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<v Speaker 1>to set the scene, Cyrel was sitting in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the table and there were three people between her

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<v Speaker 1>and Sky. So Sky was at the head of the

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<v Speaker 1>table and she was chatting to all of the other

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<v Speaker 1>girls and she was somewhat broadcasting the conversation across the table. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and things became heated pretty quickly when Sky asked Cyrel

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<v Speaker 1>if her relationship with Eden was genuine. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>because in twenty nineteen, Eden and Cyrel debuted their relationship

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<v Speaker 1>through pap photos and at the time many people speculated

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<v Speaker 1>that this was set up because it seemed like they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to extend their fifteen minutes of fame. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a very random pairing because it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>they were both on maths or something, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was confused about where they met each other. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and what made matters worse is that following these photos

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<v Speaker 1>being published, Jessica Power came out and claimed that Eden

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<v Speaker 1>had asked her to be with him for publicity, and

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<v Speaker 1>she then claimed that Eden had been bagging out Cyrel

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<v Speaker 1>to her and then suddenly, weeks later they were announcing

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<v Speaker 1>that they were in love to the rest of the world. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>even more shockingly, they announced five months into their relationship

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<v Speaker 1>that they were expecting a child together. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a very hot and cold relationship. They ended up breaking

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<v Speaker 1>up during the pregnancy, and then they got back together

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<v Speaker 1>just before the child was born. Now, getting back to

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<v Speaker 1>this dinner party, there was a guest sitting next to

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<v Speaker 1>Cyrel who began recording the exchange. This made Sky think

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<v Speaker 1>that it was possibly set up. So Sky firstly asked

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<v Speaker 1>Cyrel how she met Eden. She then said, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>an article that said you guys had a fake relationship

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<v Speaker 1>for clout or something. Now Cyrel's response is muffled, but

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like she told Sky it was inappropriate to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what was in the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, you gotta limits otherwise someone I have

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<v Speaker 3>to teach it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 6>Were getting really upset about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 6>Who said that, lid real. No, there's been appropriate questions.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't need to ask that. Maybe it's a dish.

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<v Speaker 4>Just know that it's I will.

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<v Speaker 2>Put you in your plate, and I will put you

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<v Speaker 2>in your place.

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<v Speaker 5>I will put you in your plate, eat your food,

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<v Speaker 5>or hug.

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<v Speaker 6>Your face in it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Sky clearly got an insight into what it's like

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<v Speaker 1>being on maths. Well, luckily no wine was thrown in

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<v Speaker 1>this incident, but this was almost worse. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite clear from the video that Sky was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit intoxicated, because there were points where she was laughing. However,

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<v Speaker 1>when Cyrel started making threats, Sky looked genuinely scared. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember talking about this on the podcast a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and really the consensus from listeners was that

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<v Speaker 1>they felt sorry for Sky because Sky gets herself into trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't actually think she has a malicious bone

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<v Speaker 1>in her body. Now that we are all up to

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<v Speaker 1>speed on the drama, Cyrel was not happy with Sky's

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<v Speaker 1>comment about the amazing race, and she clapped back on

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<v Speaker 1>her Instagram story, calling Sky a bully and accusing her

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<v Speaker 1>of being racist. She wrote, I'm so scary, guys, this

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<v Speaker 1>is proving exactly what I mean. See, you need to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>When I call myself crazy or someone I love, I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's a joke. But when it's coming from someone

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<v Speaker 1>I know who doesn't like me, I know it's a

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<v Speaker 1>backhanded compliment. That is why, as a woman of color,

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<v Speaker 1>this portrays me as aggressive and violent and it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, a light skinned woman is allowed to call

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<v Speaker 1>another woman of color crazy, but if a dark skinned

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<v Speaker 1>woman like me called you a crazy, shit stirring bitch

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<v Speaker 1>who only commented to express a passive, aggressive comment, I

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<v Speaker 1>would again be considered as the aggressive, crazy black bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>She then shared a promotional graphic that Channel ten had

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<v Speaker 1>sent out when Sky one, I'm a celeb and it

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<v Speaker 1>explained how she was donating her winnings to the charity

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<v Speaker 1>Bully Zero. So Cyrel wrote across this amazing she picked

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<v Speaker 1>Bully zero as her charity? Am I crazy? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>that hypocritical? Well, it seems like old feuds are being ignited, left,

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<v Speaker 1>right and center in this story, because if you'll believe it,

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Power also entered the chat, and as we mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>at the start of the segment, they're not exactly best friends.

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<v Speaker 1>In an interesting move, jess came in to defend Sky

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<v Speaker 1>and I was quite surprised to see this because Jess

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<v Speaker 1>makes a living of OnlyFans and last year Sky made

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<v Speaker 1>really offensive remarks about OnlyFans creators which seemed to ruffle

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<v Speaker 1>some feathers. I mean, I think the only reason she

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<v Speaker 1>came to her defense is more out of her hatred

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<v Speaker 1>for Cyrel. Yeah, because this all went down on so

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<v Speaker 1>Dramatics Instagram posts, so the publication was reporting on the

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<v Speaker 1>story and on their Instagram account, they included a screenshot

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<v Speaker 1>of Cyrel's comments directed at Sky. Now, Jessica commented underneath

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<v Speaker 1>the post, saying, oh mate, give it a rest already.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not surprised Sky has PTSD from her, She's as

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<v Speaker 1>reactive as they come. She will find an argument out

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<v Speaker 1>of thin air. That woman, Well, this story feels a

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<v Speaker 1>little dirty and it's very much in the weeds because

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<v Speaker 1>Cyrel then took a screenshot of Jessica's comment and called

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<v Speaker 1>her out on her story, saying, Oh, Jessica, the only

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<v Speaker 1>person who should give it a rest is you and

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<v Speaker 1>your lying ass. Go start another Go funny, Paige, bitch

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<v Speaker 1>for someone who likes to run their mouth when the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing you seem to have run out of is money.

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<v Speaker 1>She continues, saying, couldn't even pay for your dad's funeral.

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<v Speaker 1>Wears your money from OnlyFans. I was going to suggest

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<v Speaker 1>to sell one of your prior bags, but if there

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<v Speaker 1>are anything like that, you're probably rocking a pra dough steal,

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<v Speaker 1>a fake ass, irrelevant bitch trying to comment so you

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<v Speaker 1>can make headlines again. I hope me giving you attention

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<v Speaker 1>can rebuild your career. God knows you need the money. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>what a low blow mentioning the dad's funeral. Oh, because

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<v Speaker 1>that is in reference to Jessica's brother Reese posting a

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<v Speaker 1>go Fundme page, and that was asking for assistance to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for their dad's funeral fees. I just think Sorell's

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<v Speaker 1>proving Jessica's comment in the first place a bit how

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<v Speaker 1>reactive she is. Oh exactly. I mean going back to

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<v Speaker 1>this funeral, because we didn't actually cover this story at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. It just seemed a bit off to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it because a lot of followers came out

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<v Speaker 1>and questioned why jess and her brother, who earned large

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of money off OnlyFans, would have to ask for

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<v Speaker 1>assistance with a funeral built. Because jess reportedly makes one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ten thousand dollars per month on the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>so you think that she would be able to cover

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<v Speaker 1>those costs now, Jessica told The Daily Mail that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole family were pitching in along with the fundraising campaign

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<v Speaker 1>and that their dad passed away so suddenly that the

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<v Speaker 1>funeral did come as an unexpected cost, and she went

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<v Speaker 1>on to explain that her sister's fiance created the GoFundMe

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<v Speaker 1>before she even knew about it, so it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>the siblings were trying to raise money for what they

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<v Speaker 1>owed for the funeral. Yeah, it just all got very

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<v Speaker 1>messy now, As expected, Jessica clapped back at Cyrel's stories,

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote, not that it should even be something I

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<v Speaker 1>should need to address, but it was actually a family

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<v Speaker 1>member who started that page, not knowing or asking who

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<v Speaker 1>could contribute or how much a funeral could cost. I

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<v Speaker 1>would honestly sell one of my handbags to get you

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<v Speaker 1>the anger management you need. Who brings up someone's grief

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<v Speaker 1>as a way of retaliation? Still the same bitter, horrible

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<v Speaker 1>girl that we all know. I don't care to stay relevant,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've done one TV show after however many years, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>calm down. Ha. It was getting very tipfer tat at

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<v Speaker 1>this stage, and Cyrel responded saying, lo, your response is

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<v Speaker 1>as stupid as you are. Girl. How can you pay

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<v Speaker 1>for my anger management classes when you can't even pay

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<v Speaker 1>for your dad's funeral? And if you were going to

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<v Speaker 1>sell your bags you would have. Yet you started a

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<v Speaker 1>go fundme, Paige, Damn, I'll start you with GoFundMe now,

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica needs money. How's that sound now? Jessica's response was

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<v Speaker 1>the most classic out of all of them. So she

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<v Speaker 1>responded with a photo of her relaxing with a glass

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<v Speaker 1>of white wine and wrote, see how I drink my wine.

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<v Speaker 1>Very aggressive, but not over anyone's face when I can't

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<v Speaker 1>win an argument with a laughing face, and she continued,

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<v Speaker 1>FYI I don't normally drink my wine like this, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently I'm broke, so I wanted to savor it. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to see Cyrel explaining this whole petty back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth with Eden. It kind of reminds you of

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<v Speaker 1>like when we get into an argument and our partners

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<v Speaker 1>get involved, and it just sounds so ridiculous. Judging from

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<v Speaker 1>him on the Amazing Race, I think he'd just be

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<v Speaker 1>backing her. Whilst I do really love the drama, I

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<v Speaker 1>just think that this all feels really gross and almost

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<v Speaker 1>regressive to see these women slinging shit at each other,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not like there's a healthy debate going on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's literally them thinking what can I say that will

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<v Speaker 1>cause the most upset and be the biggest blow to

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<v Speaker 1>that person and their reputation going forward. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>remember all of these women were on reality TV for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason. I really just think it could be an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt for all of them to stay relevant. I know

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<v Speaker 1>they're all accusing one another of doing that, but they

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<v Speaker 1>know what creates headlines, They know how reality TV works,

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<v Speaker 1>and they know that producers are scouting for drama and

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<v Speaker 1>whilst they all do look bad by association, it could

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<v Speaker 1>help themselves land a role because I mean, we could

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<v Speaker 1>see a Maths reunion where we get Martha, Jessica and

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<v Speaker 1>also Cyrel together to recreate some of this drama. I

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<v Speaker 1>would definitely tune into that. Well, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a Maths reunion, but can you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>sticking them all in the Big Brother House because just

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<v Speaker 1>being the ouse at Channel ten have won back the

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<v Speaker 1>rights to Big Brother and they're hinting that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to bring it back to its heyday. I would watch

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<v Speaker 1>that so Rabbit, Jess and Sky in a house. But

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<v Speaker 1>if they're bringing it back to its heyday, we're probably

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<v Speaker 1>just going to get every day Australians. No, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>the format they're bringing back. Well, I saw Sky comment

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<v Speaker 1>under it please send me back in the house. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing I do know is that the Amazing Race would

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<v Speaker 1>be loving the attention around this and the extra publicity

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting from the show, because I will be tuning

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<v Speaker 1>in on Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 4>For this.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Petty Big I am put on my story saying

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<v Speaker 2>the brand's name.

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<v Speaker 1>An Australian TikToker has taken aim at two popular influencers,

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<v Speaker 1>labeling them as bullies. During a Storytime Get Ready with

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<v Speaker 1>Me video, Ella Kemp accused the influencers of being rude

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<v Speaker 1>to her at a VIP event and for bitching about

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<v Speaker 1>her on their podcast. No, she hasn't fled out named them,

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<v Speaker 1>but she may as well have because she has dropped

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<v Speaker 1>so many clues that make the women easily identifiable. So

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<v Speaker 1>the influencers at the center of the accusations appear to

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<v Speaker 1>be Lucy Jackson and Nikki Wescott. It's a big week

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<v Speaker 1>for Lucy Jackson, isn't it. Yeah, it really is, because

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<v Speaker 1>we spoke on Tuesday about how she's just gone through

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible breakup. But I want to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>accusations because they're pretty sensational. So on Tuesday, Ella told

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<v Speaker 1>her TikTok followers that she had been invited to a

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<v Speaker 1>festival back in twenty twenty when she was just nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even love it how this drama from twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>so almost five years ago, as being brought up now. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it just screams TikTok petitess, But I kind of love it,

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<v Speaker 1>so she said she was incredibly new to the social

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<v Speaker 1>media scene being a micro influencer, and was excited to

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<v Speaker 1>attend the VIP event. Now for context, Ella now has

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<v Speaker 1>ninety thousand followers on TikTok and over thirty thousand on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>so she's not incredibly well known, but she's definitely an

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<v Speaker 1>up and comer. So she's still a micro influencer so

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much, but her following has grown since twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Ella said she was a huge fan of the

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<v Speaker 1>influencers in question and would regularly buy from their clothing brand.

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<v Speaker 1>She also said she loved listening to their podcast, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was really excited to see that they were at

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<v Speaker 1>this festival. This was really the first big clue that

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<v Speaker 1>she was talking about Lucy and Nikki, because they of

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<v Speaker 1>course have the Happy Hour podcast and they also have

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<v Speaker 1>a very popular clothing brand called Jagger and Stone. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Ella also went on to drop that the event was

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<v Speaker 1>full of Queensland influences and again Lucy and Nikki both

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<v Speaker 1>live on the Gold Coast. Now, as the night progressed,

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<v Speaker 1>Ella said she had one too many drinks and was

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<v Speaker 1>attempting to socialize with the other influencers who were in attendance.

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<v Speaker 1>She said at the end of the night, she was

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<v Speaker 1>excited to see the two influencers in question and approach them.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's have a listen to what Ella said went down.

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<v Speaker 2>Towards the end of the night. These two particular influencers

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<v Speaker 2>were there. I was just super excited to meet them,

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<v Speaker 2>slash like party with them andreschmember. There was this particular

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<v Speaker 2>guy in their group that I thought was really cute.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was kind of just like dancing on my

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<v Speaker 2>own and like just minding my own business. Next thing

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I turn around and I get approached by

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<v Speaker 2>one of these influences, one of the two, and she

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<v Speaker 2>comes up to me and he says, they do you

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<v Speaker 2>even know anyone here? And me, being a nineteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old fresh on the block kind of never really been

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<v Speaker 2>to an event like that in my life before, especially

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<v Speaker 2>being like a fan of their stuff, I was like, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I shit myself. I think from memory. I responded being like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm here with my friends Da da da, and

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<v Speaker 2>she kind of just like scoffed at me and walked away.

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<v Speaker 2>I was literally traumatized from this, Like I I was

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<v Speaker 2>so upset.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll never forget I went over to my friend and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like pretty much in tears, Like I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, Like this individual just came up to

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<v Speaker 2>me and basically said, like, do I even know anyone here?

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<v Speaker 6>As if, like should I even be I kid you not.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of the event, this girl sat up on

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<v Speaker 2>the top level of the.

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<v Speaker 6>Like bar slash like.

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<v Speaker 2>Grandstand setup and like looked down on me and literally.

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<v Speaker 6>Dead stand the shit out of me. And I was

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<v Speaker 6>so confused.

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<v Speaker 1>They say you should never meet your idols. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if she was hanging around like a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>bad smell, Like you know when you're super excited to

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<v Speaker 1>meet someone and you don't play it cool. Well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like quite a mortifying interaction. Like if I

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<v Speaker 1>was a nineteen year old and I met my idols

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them came up and said that to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be pretty crushed.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Following the incident, Ella tried to put it down to

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<v Speaker 1>a drunken miscommunication, but her worst fears were realized when

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<v Speaker 1>a friend messaged her telling her to check out the

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<v Speaker 1>girl's podcast because they did one of those videos where

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<v Speaker 1>they answered assumptions about themselves and someone wrote in with

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<v Speaker 1>the assumption that they were rude to their fans, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ella said she was shocked to discover that the influencers

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<v Speaker 1>had referenced her in the episode. Here's what she said.

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<v Speaker 6>They start talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, and they basically say that the only time that

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<v Speaker 2>they can think about that they might have been rude

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<v Speaker 2>to a fan was on the weekend when one of the.

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<v Speaker 6>Girls came up to me and said that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, do I even know anyone here? Kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>fuck off, not to mention. They also said that I

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<v Speaker 2>made them uncomfortable and that I made their immediate like

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<v Speaker 2>circle of friends feel uncomfortable and uneasy. Mind you, I

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<v Speaker 2>am nineteen years old. These girls at the time were

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty nine thirty years old, and they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make out like I was making them go uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 6>I was absolutely shattered.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that your worst fear? Like, can you imagine meeting

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<v Speaker 1>someone that you really idolize, and then later on you

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<v Speaker 1>hear on a podcast or in some sort of TV

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<v Speaker 1>interview that they had such a mortifying experience with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'd like royally humiliated yourself. Yeah, especially because Ella

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.119
<v Speaker 1>said she'd been drinking, so maybe she'd been able to

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.479
<v Speaker 1>convince herself, oh no, it wasn't that awkward, and then

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it's literally just been confirmed. Well, I feel sorry for

0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>her because it seemed like she was coming from a

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<v Speaker 1>place of just being in awe of the women. It

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't seem like she was trying to be overtly negative

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<v Speaker 1>or rude to the morning. She was so upset by

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast recording that she ended up selling all of

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.119
<v Speaker 1>her Jagger and Stone stuff. But she said when she

0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 1>moved to Sydney later that year, she discovered that she

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 1>still had one of the brand's bikinis. However, she noticed

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 1>it was broken, so she claims she'd only warn the

0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 1>bikinis once and I quote being a petty bitch. She

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 1>shared a photo of the broken bathers on her Instagram

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>story and tagged the brand saying they were shit. We

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.120
<v Speaker 1>are in the weeds a lot of this episode. It's

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of petty dramas. So this then prompted the

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>same influencer, Lucy Jackson, to write back to her Instagram

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:22.639
<v Speaker 1>story saying, Babe, that bikini is two years old, to

0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:26.439
<v Speaker 1>which Ella replied, Babe, I've worn it twice again. The

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.359
<v Speaker 1>babes the passive aggressive base now let's have a listen

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 1>to what else Ella said, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I didn't realize that swim where it was meant

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 2>to break after like a few years when you have

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<v Speaker 2>a business and you're selling like apperil swimwear or anything

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 2>like that, Like especially at the price point that they had,

0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Like it shouldn't only last a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 6>Like I've had so.

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Many bikinis last meet a decade and they've never once broken.

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 2>So that comment was unnecessary, and I feel like it

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 2>was kind of targeted at this person who's like thirty

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 2>years old, Like get agree to be fair.

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Even if you've worn this bikini twice, if you've had

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 1>a kicking around your house, it's moved places with you,

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it can get damaged. Really, I think bathes

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 1>seemed to last for a really long time. I mean,

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't treat my stuff very well, just throw

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 1>it around the house. It also depends if you wash

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 1>off all of the chlorine. Anyway, we're getting into the

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 1>weeds here, but since this video has gone viral on

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>TikTok so, at the time of recording, it's had two

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:32.199
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand views. The comments section has been littered with

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 1>people tagging Lucy and Nicki as well as followers sharing

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>information about the Happy Hour podcast in question. So I

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>have tracked down the episode from July twenty twenty. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's hear exactly what Lucy and Nicky said about this incident.

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<v Speaker 5>You get annoyed when being approached by punters when you're

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 5>out and about with your friends. Ah, okay this, I

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:00.640
<v Speaker 5>will say this absolutely not getting approached and say hello,

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 5>I fucking live for it.

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I love it, have a yarn. That's absolutely fine.

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 5>What I do not like is then and this has

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 5>only happened maybe like three times, so this isn't like

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:14.919
<v Speaker 5>something that happens all the time.

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 1>And I think you know if you're doing it or not.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't like it when people come over and

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.680
<v Speaker 5>then stay and like join us, kind of as if

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 5>then you're welcome, because maybe they do come over initially

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 5>and we are really friendly. Then to then stick around

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 5>while we're there with our own friends, maybe out for

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 5>dinner or at a festival, dancing with our group of

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 5>our friends or whatever, and then to keep hanging around

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 5>and sometimes even filming us or like filming yourself, to

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 5>try and act like you're kind of like hanging out

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 5>with us. I guess it's like come and say hello,

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 5>give me a hug, have a little boogie, get a photo.

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 5>That's sweet as they come interrupt my night, So then

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 5>I can't really be talking and spending time with my friends.

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 5>When I'm like just genuinely on a night out with

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 5>my friends, that's when I get annoyed. And I think,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, if you're doing that, like and if you

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 5>if someone sort of says, oh, yeah, you know, that'll

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:05.920
<v Speaker 5>do run along, like do you have any other friends here?

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>That's not being offensive. That's just us trying to get

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 1>on with that night.

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:10.439
<v Speaker 5>Well that's what happened that time, and that girl I

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 5>got really a friend ed and was like, you know,

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 5>blah blah blah. And then a girl blew up at

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 5>me and was like you are so nasty blah blah blah.

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I'm not nasty at all.

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 5>But if you come over and proceed to hang out

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 5>with my group of friends for like longer than fifteen

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 5>minutes and just kind of try and blend in and

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 5>no one knows who you are, I don't care if

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 5>I have two followers on Instagram, You're being annoying. Regardless

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.919
<v Speaker 5>of who I am, So piss off pretty much, Stram,

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 5>don't over say you're welcome, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of get this because in the influencer world,

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you're always hearing of micro influencers or people who want

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>a following trying to leach on to bigger creators. And

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>it would piss me off if I was in lucy

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>and nicky situation and I'm out with my friends and

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you've given this person the time and then they're trying

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to sneak around and join your friendship group and potentially

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>take videos of you in a compromising position when you're drunk.

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Think in this instance, this Ella, maybe she had the

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>best intentions and she just read the situation wrong. Because

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>can you imagine if you met, you know, some podcasts

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>or influences that you really respected and you thought you

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>had hit it off, only to be told quite aggressively

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>like scram fuck off. Basically, yeah, I can kind of

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 1>see both sides to it, because, especially when alcohol is

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 1>involved and lines are blurred, it seemed to be that

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Ella was picking up the wrong cues and maybe should

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>have just realized to leave. Well, I would have been

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>offended hearing that if I was Ella though, Oh, I

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>would be so intimidated by Lucy and Nikki. I think

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>they sound fucking funny, but I feel like I don't

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 1>like that sort of tone directed at me. Well, the

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>only thing is I think that someone like Lucy, she

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>takes no shit by the sounds of it, and it's oh,

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>she sounds classic. Yeah, And it's quite apparent that she

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>felt like her personally personal boundaries were being and that's

0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>why I think she just said, look, babe, do you

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>know anyone else here? Can you please leave? One of

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>our friends has said that she wishes she would spot

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Lucy and Nikki out somewhere so that she could try

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 1>and party with them, and that seems to be something

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of their listeners think. So they must

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 1>get her all the time, and it must get really frustrated.

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that's why this girl was so disappointed, because

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>they do put across this image of hey, come party

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>with us or have a boogie, we'll have a drink

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and everything like that. But a breach is probably a

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>limit where it's like, hey, this is a socially acceptable

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>point to leave. I know Abby Chatfield has spoken about

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>this in the past, and she said that She's more

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>than happy to pose for photos and have a little chat,

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 1>but you know, when she's out on a night out,

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>she actually wants to spend it with her friends and

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 1>not be interrupted the whole. These are good tips. If

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>we ever spot Taylor Swift out and we meet her

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes, that's the cat and then I have to

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>fuck off. Yeah. I think the timing though of this

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>TikTok is really interesting because, as we spoke about earlier

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 1>in the episode, Lucy has recently broken up with her

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend after she discovered he was cheating on her, and

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>she's been very open on TikTok sharing about her experience,

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and this has garnered a lot of public sympathy. So

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting that this video suddenly pops up just after this.

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh Ella is obviously writing on the coattails of this

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>drama and thinking, well, everyone's talking about the girls at

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the moment, let's drop this incident. It's going to get

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>me a lot of views and engagement.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Interestingly, Ella actually said in this TikTok that she was

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>inspired to make the video after randomly seeing another pop

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 1>up where Lucy labeled another podcaster a fucking bully. So

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>This was the final clue when I was like, this

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>is clearly Lucy because earlier this year, Lucy's sparch controversy

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>when she released a video perceivably calling out podcaster Megan

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Pisetto from So Dramatic. So the two podcasters have had

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of beef over the last couple of years.

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Lucy and Nicki accused of making racist remarks towards Megan,

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>and interestingly, Megan has a connection to Ella. Side note,

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I really hate when people throw around the to bully

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>at everyone to describe a journalist working or investigating stories. Yeah,

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not good. On the topic of Megan though, So

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Ella actually appeared on one of So Dramatic's podcasts back

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two, and so she spoke about how

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>she was in a relationship with former mass contestants Jackson

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Loney and Jack Miller. And this was quite a controversial

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>episode because Ella was the first person Jackson was connected

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to after his high profile split from fellow Maths contestant Olivia.

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 1>And in this episode, Megan described Ella as the chaos

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>queen and I think that's a good description after seeing

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>this TikTok, because she's obviously not afraid just stir the pot,

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>which I love. It was a really good episode. Well

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting connection, isn't it, Because Meghan is obviously

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>not a huge fan of Lucy and Nicky either, And

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw a lot of people actually tagging Megan and

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>so dramatic in this TikTok as well. And Ella responded, look,

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Megan is well aware of this incident. Is this going

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 1>to be another three way few? There's been so many

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>feuds popping up on TikTok at the moment, and I

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>am here for the entertainment. Well, I get it as well,

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>because let's be real, this is the influencer world, and

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>if you create drama, it equals views. The one thing

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I felt really uncomfortable about during Ella's call out, though,

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>was the constant age bashing of Lucy and Nicki. And

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe this is because I'm in my thirties, but the

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>continual reference to their age, I thought it was a

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>bit unnecessary and it kind of came across as age shaming.

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>So you sent me the clip and I think one

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of the had the text and that said, thirty year

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>old podcasters have bullied me, and I thought, holy fuck,

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>is this about us? And then I was like, what

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>the fuck that I have to mention our age? I mean,

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>this is how Lucy and NICKI felt as well, because

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the age is irrelevant. It's kind of like saying, oh, well,

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>they should know better because they're in their thirties. Yeah. Well,

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I just can't wait to see if Lucy responds. I

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know if she will feel like she's got to

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>be a bit more shit going on in her life.

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I think if she's to respond, she'll probably respond on

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>her podcast in a similar fashion to the first time

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 1>they spoke about the incident. But again, I don't think

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 1>she wants to give Ella the attention.

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 6>Or clout everybody.

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 4>We usually would not be making a video like this,

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 4>but there is information circuling about us that is completely untrue.

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 1>A us TikTok couple is facing backlash for appearing to

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 1>leave their kids unattended in their cabin whilst they dined

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 1>out at a restaurant during their family cruise. Another couple

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>in question, Matt and Abby Howard, have been forced to

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>issue a statement refuting the claims. Sophy. Before we get

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 1>into it, can you bring us up to speed on

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.919
<v Speaker 1>who Matt and Abby are? Yeah, well, they're two TikTokers

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>who are very much selling the American dream. So they're Christian,

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.359
<v Speaker 1>their high school sweethearts, and they've got two kids called

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Griffin and August. That is so American. They are from

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Phoenix in Arizona, and they share very curated family moments

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>as well as insights into their very traditional marriage, and

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>they also recreate a lot of viral trends on TikTok.

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Now they have over seven million subscribers on YouTube and

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 1>it's basically a family channel where they blog about their lives.

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>They also have five point three million followers on TikTok

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.760
<v Speaker 1>and a podcast called The Unplanned Podcast where they discussed

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>their relationship as well as their family dynamic. And they're

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 1>no strangers to controversy, so they have been slammed previously

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 1>for their views on traditional gender roles. In the house,

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>so Abby handles most of the cleaning and raising of

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the children, and in a now deleted video from twenty

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty two, Matt surprised Abby by taking care of the

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>house and their newborn child. So this video copped a

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of criticism because people said it was perpetuating the

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.359
<v Speaker 1>trope of the hopeless dad who can't raise his own

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 1>kids or has the capacity to clean. It reminds me

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:41.919
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of all that controversy with Mattie Jay

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:45.879
<v Speaker 1>last year. Now, another controversy involved matt making his own

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>homemade baby formula, and at the time he added a

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>disclaimer saying that you shouldn't actually give it to your baby,

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 1>but critics argued that it was dangerous and could encourage

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:58.479
<v Speaker 1>people to try it out at home. And this year

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 1>he copped criticism for boycotting Father's Day, so on his

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>podcast he spoke about how instead of celebrating on the

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 1>official day in America, he planned to celebrate it on

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>a separate weekend because Father's Day fell very close to

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 1>his birthday and the year prior he'd done a joint

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Father's Day and Birthday celebration, but he didn't want to

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>do it again this year. I think that controversy is

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>a bit weak. Oh yeah, because people were saying, oh,

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>he's entitled, and it's a red flag because he's demanding

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>two separate days that celebrate him. I think they were

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>pretty unfair with that one. Yeah. Now, this is where

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>the latest controversy has erupted, because in September, the family

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>embarked on a seven night cruise with Abby's extended family,

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 1>and they shed highlights of their holiday on their Instagram accounts. Now.

0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Abby revealed at the beginning of the trip that they

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 1>were eating out as a family, but it wasn't really working,

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 1>she wrote on her Instagram story, So we ended up

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 1>taking them for five nights and it became apparent that

0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>they weren't enjoying it, and therefore we weren't either. This

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 1>is obviously the children. Yeah, so then we switched our

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>dinner time to after their bedtime. Now in this Instagram story,

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:11.360
<v Speaker 1>she shared this caption over the top of a baby

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.919
<v Speaker 1>monitor and continued to write, we facetimed the monitors while

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 1>we ate and that worked out much better for everyone.

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>She then added that the baby monitors don't work on

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>board unless you're only five feet away, explaining they needed

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>to FaceTime the monitors to get it on their screens,

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:30.839
<v Speaker 1>and this elicited a huge response from their followers. Many

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.720
<v Speaker 1>took to Facebook gossip forums and also read a post

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to share their concerns. One follower said, so clearly they

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:40.359
<v Speaker 1>have paid no attention to the Madeline McCann case, while

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 1>another said this is incredibly upsetting, especially as they had

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 1>family with them that probably could have watched them while

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>they were out and had something to eat together. Facetiming

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the baby monitor while several floors away, when anything can

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>go wrong in that time span, is just incredibly distressing

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 1>as a parent. Now, others went as far as calling

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it negligent and raised issues around what if a medical

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 1>emergency happened, or an abduction or a child went wandering

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>and fell overboard. Now, following the backlash, Abby swiftly removed

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the story and provided no explanation. But the couple broke

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 1>their silence about this incident on Tuesday by releasing a

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 1>TikTok video, which at the time of recording has had

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>nine million views. So Matt started by saying, they wouldn't

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>usually create a video like this, but there is information

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>circulating about them that isn't true, so they wanted to

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>set the record straight. They said they're very protective of

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 1>their kids and love them more than anything in the

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>entire world. They also thank their followers for being concerned

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>about the safety and wellbeing of their kids. Watching this,

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>it's clear that they have a PR team that they're

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.799
<v Speaker 1>working with. Because they were trying to sound very understanding

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 1>to the critics. They also began by explaining that they

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>went on the cruise with Abby's extended family and that

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 1>the kids were never left alone at any time during

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 1>the cruise. Here's what said.

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 4>And people started to speculate and believe that we had

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 4>left her children alone in their staterooms, and that is

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 4>completely untrue because we had someone with her children at

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 4>all times on this boat period.

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I do want to clarify that we have not, would not,

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.759
<v Speaker 3>will not ever leave our children unattended.

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.320
<v Speaker 6>We would never ever want to put them in harm's

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 6>way in any way.

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Abby then explained that she could see how her story

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 1>could have been misleading, which is why she deleted it

0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.879
<v Speaker 1>straight away. Now, Abby and Matt clearly knew that many

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>followers would question, well, if you had people babysitting for you,

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>why then did you have to FaceTime the baby monitor,

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.280
<v Speaker 1>which I think is a fair enough question. Now, Abby

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.399
<v Speaker 1>went on to explain that her kids always sleep in

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 1>a sort of blackout tent, and in the middle of

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the tent there's a spot for a sound machine and

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 1>also a spot for a baby monitor. So she said

0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>that even when they sleep in the same room with

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>their kids, at home, they all always have their monitors

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>on so that they can watch what's happening in the tent.

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>So she said that even though they were tagged teaming

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 1>with a family member at dinner, they wanted to have

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that extra caution of watching them on the baby monitor

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>as well. This seems odd to me. Why are you

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 1>having your kid in this blacked out tent that you

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 1>can't see them? Well, the whole thing sounds like a

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>bit of bullshit. They probably sat around and were like, fuck,

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 1>we look so irresponsible. I mean, as one of their

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 1>followers pointed out, all I could think of was the

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Madeline mccannon situation. Have we not learned anything from that?

0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Well?

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 1>It was quite interesting because their comment section on the

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>TikTok video was full of people praising them, so I

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's been highly edited. So one follower wrote,

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 1>great explanation. I also think it's lovely that you thank

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 1>people for caring and being concerned rather than getting on

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the defense. Perfectly articulated, and that comment received five thousand likes. Wow.

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't make sense why they'd share that Instagram

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>story because it's kind of like they were having a

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:01.120
<v Speaker 1>laugh about it. It really does seem like they're changing

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:04.320
<v Speaker 1>their story now because they weren't expecting such a big

0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 1>reaction from their followers. The bit where they lost me

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 1>is when they didn't name which family member was looking

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:15.439
<v Speaker 1>after the kids. Because initially in the TikTok Matt said, oh, yeah,

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 1>we were with Abby's extended family and we had everyone

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.919
<v Speaker 1>there from the great grandmother to the kids. They didn't

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 1>explain all the other people. And then when they said, oh,

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.919
<v Speaker 1>it was someone looking after a child, they didn't say

0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:29.719
<v Speaker 1>which family member. And I think that's because they were

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>probably concerned that during their trip they may have put

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 1>up a photo of a dinner which showed all of

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the family there, or maybe they think that they're so

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>famous that someone would have taken a photo of them

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.839
<v Speaker 1>on that night out for dinner and they might get

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 1>caught out in some way. Great pr by their team. Well,

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people said they also didn't buy the

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>body language in the video. Someone said that the eye

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>contact screamed guilty. I love how everyone becomes a body

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 1>language expert as soon as he's influencer. Apologies come out. Yeah,

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 1>let's get into our hires lows of the week, and

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to kick things off with a very embarrassing

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:07.439
<v Speaker 1>low that I almost didn't want to bring to the podcast. Now,

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm all, is well, you persuaded me to bring this

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:13.760
<v Speaker 1>one up because we Well, I got my full wedding

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 1>video back and I'd forgotten some of the funny things

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned in your speech, and one of those

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>things a lot of OG listeners will remember, and that

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.399
<v Speaker 1>is that a couple of Christmas Eves ago, I went

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 1>to AUDI wearing a very thick green fake tan, like

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.800
<v Speaker 1>the tan had gone off. I literally looked like the Grinch. Anyway,

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I quickly put on some shorts and unbeknown to me,

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the shorts were inside out. Well, you thought everyone was

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 1>staring at you at AUDI because of your atrocious fake tan,

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 1>but it was actually because of your shorts, and the

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.879
<v Speaker 1>shorts had inbuilt undies, so you literally looked like some

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of strange superhero.

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 1>So that was mortifying, and I thought that I'd moved

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 1>past those sort of incidences, but apparently not, because five

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 1>still still doing it. So I went shopping with my husband.

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.200
<v Speaker 1>We went to rush into woolworst pick up a couple

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 1>of things. We got back I was unpacking the groceries,

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:12.799
<v Speaker 1>and I lifted my arms up in the cupboard and

0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 1>my husband said, what is that poking out of your pants?

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 1>And somehow there was a sheet of toilet paper that

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 1>had been hanging out of my pants. I didn't know

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 1>if he'd been to the shops. Yeah, so Brandon said.

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>He initially thought that it was like a folded up

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 1>tissue that maybe I'd put there because in caf I

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.760
<v Speaker 1>had a runny nose. But no, it was toilet paper.

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 1>And then I went to bed that night and my

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.520
<v Speaker 1>partner lifted up the covers as he does always to

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 1>check for spiders because we live in the hills, and

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 1>he noticed that there was a piece of toilet paper

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>attached to my foot. So I do not know what

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>is going on with me at the moment. Anyway, my

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 1>high of the week, it will be a quick one.

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 1>It has been spending time with my nephew Jack. He

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 1>is so cute. He is officially three months old, and

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 1>we went on a very sweet walk together. He's in

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that stage where he's smiling at you and laughing and

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>he is just so cute. He's adorable. So my low

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 1>of the week has been I have finished all of

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 1>my favorite Netflix shows. I'm out, I have nothing to watch.

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 1>So I was hoping that some outspoken listeners could slide

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>into our dms. Maybe we could start a thread in

0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:20.720
<v Speaker 1>our Facebook community. I want a list of great shows

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 1>that you and your partner will enjoy, because it's really

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>a struggle to find shows that I like and that

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Dale likes. And my high of the week is I

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 1>finally got around what is it now, like September nine

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.760
<v Speaker 1>or seven months after my wedding, I've finally gotten around

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:40.279
<v Speaker 1>two printing my wedding photos, and I've printed two quite

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 1>large pieces. I don't know how the listeners feel about

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 1>having such large wedding photos in your house, but I've

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 1>seen quite a few people do it where they select

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:49.839
<v Speaker 1>one really cool photo, which is what I've done. Well, well,

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 1>you've selected two two, yeah, but just one of Dale

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.319
<v Speaker 1>and I am oh so yeah. The other one is

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of the bridal party. Look, i'm popular opinion here, and

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I apologize if you have one of these in your house.

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:01.640
<v Speaker 1>But when I think verges on taki is when people

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 1>get them printed on canvases. I don't know why, I

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 1>think I'm just not a fan of the canvas. I

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:09.120
<v Speaker 1>think that's very early two thousands. So I've got them

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 1>printed from this local printer in Adelaide. I've had photos

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.399
<v Speaker 1>in my house printed from him before. He's really really good.

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 1>It's on this beautiful paper. But I'm trying to find

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>the right frames. I got some from Freedom previously, but

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>they don't have the exact ones anymore. Do you know

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:26.640
<v Speaker 1>when I think it is too far with wedding photos

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>is when they're the huge focus of your house and

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>your wedding was like twenty years ago. Because you know,

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>when you've just been married, it's like, yeah, it's nice

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to put up your photos, but you kind of think, well,

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 1>what's next, Like have you achieved anything else in your life?

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything else to come? So long I'm saying, like,

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:44.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, most of the time it's taken up by

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, well not that the holidays in achievement, but

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>by other things you're doing in life. How do you

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 1>have kids or weather days. I think it's nice. I

0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>think what happens, though, is when people get older, the

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 1>photos become outdated and yeah, you've got the canvas, that's

0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 1>what ima. You can look a bit tacky, But maybe

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll have to share a photo on my Instagram story.

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>When I get them up, I think they're going to

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 1>look really cool. Sophie's a bit gutted because I have

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 1>this photo of all of the bridal party walking along

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:11.440
<v Speaker 1>this gravel path, and the only one you chose is

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.719
<v Speaker 1>literally half my face cut out of it. Yeah, it was, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>because Sophie kept pulling all these weird faces when she

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<v Speaker 1>was having this very animated conversation, so the only one

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<v Speaker 1>we could feature was one where she was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be true. There was one of me normal, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the four other people were cut out. Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in it, everybody. I don't mind being on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's quite funny. Anyway. I think that it's

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<v Speaker 1>all we have time for today. We hope you enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode. If you did, it would really help us

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<v Speaker 1>out if you could leave us a review, preferably a

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<v Speaker 1>good one, preferably five stars. And I want to point

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<v Speaker 1>out somebody left us a review recently saying that they

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<v Speaker 1>were frustrated because the ads were being inserted into the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong story. To be honest, when I listened back, it

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<v Speaker 1>was very annoying, and I fired off a message sheaving like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on with it? I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>flag that we're on a program called Omni and they've

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<v Speaker 1>recently done an update, and I pride myself on perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>placing the ads, and I don't know what's happened because

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<v Speaker 1>on my end shows that the ads are placed in

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<v Speaker 1>that spot, it seems to have thrown them out by

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<v Speaker 1>a few seconds. So I do apologize to anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>that has affected and irritated. This episode was recorded on

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.

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<v Speaker 1>We pay respect to Elder's past and present, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't already, we had a special episode drop on

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<v Speaker 1>Monday where Kate returned to give us an update on

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth trimester, and tomorrow's subscriber episode is one I

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<v Speaker 1>think that a lot of you will want to tune into.

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<v Speaker 1>We answer some questions that we previously haven't been allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to answer before because Kate has directed us not to.

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<v Speaker 1>So we open up about some feuds, some miscommunications in

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast industry, and yes, a lot of juicy stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got to check that one out.