1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Put on your dance and shift. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: Don't give me your best shot at em from momamea 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: dot com dot au. His she is Emma Gillespie. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 3: Good morning, How are we very well? 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: And it was very distressing to hear of the abuse 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: that Stan Grant has been subjected to since he spoke 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: about the Queen's the Queen's funeral and how the ABC 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: covered that from an Indigenous point of view, and then 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: he was on the ABC as a guest for the 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: coronation and he's been vilified for that, and not just 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: villified because as a journalist, villified as an Indigenous man. 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: Yes. 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: So Friday afternoon, the ABC published an essay from Stan 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: Grant announcing that he's quitting. He's stepping back he tonight 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: as host of Q and A. It will be his last. 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: We don't know how long he's stepping back from the 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: Spotlight four, but it was headlined for years. I've been 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: a media target for racism and paid a heavy price. 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: For now I want no part of it. I'm stepping 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: away now. This resignation comes as a shock to many. 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: Stan is, of course a veteran reporter, a proud First 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: Nations man, and an Aussie icon. And he's been on 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: our screens four years, but he's been in this job 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 3: on Q and A for less than twelve months. You 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: might remember that Hamish was previously the host and he 26 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: stepped away for reasons of social media abuse as well. 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 3: That was a factor for him and Stan's decided not 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: to return after tonight's program. And as you say, Amanda, 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: the most recent example of the kind of abuse that 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: Stan is referencing has been the response to the commentary 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: that came during the coronation recently. So the ABC hosted 32 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: a panel before the coronation hosted by Julia bed Stan 33 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: Grant was on the panel with Craig Foster, Liberal MP 34 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: Julian Lisa and they were discussing different perspectives on the monarchy. 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 3: So he was invited to that panel to talk about 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: what the monarchy represented for him as an Aboriginal man. 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: And soon after it the panel drew numerous complaints from 38 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: sections of conservative media. I think that that's worth pointing 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: out that media monitoring actually picked up that over one 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty mentions had come from the Australian and 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: Sky News headlines that included the ABC's Royal Rand. ABC's 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: coronation coverage essentially an attack specifically on that stand Grant moment. 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: And this was I also want to point out thirty 44 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 3: to forty five minutes of coverage in an eight hour 45 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 3: broadcast of coronation discussions. 46 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: A lot of people felt it wasn't the appropriate time 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: to discuss the negative side of King Charles being crowned. 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Something really interesting. I'll be reading here an article by 49 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: Sean Kelly in The Herald this morning, and he said, 50 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 1: let's remind ourselves here the monarchy is not a musical. 51 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate power in our land. It's an institution 52 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: that this country voted to retain twenty four years ago 53 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: as part of our system of government. We might think 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: it's entertainment, but we're kidding ourselves. Those watching the coronation, 55 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: we're watching a political act. And it was Stan's bravery 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: in a way to point that out. And if we 57 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: just want to see the fru thru and the pretty, 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: we're missing a major point of it. And we've vilified 59 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: Stan because of it. 60 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: And this attack on everyone sort of latches onto this 61 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: idea that everyone who works for the ABC must be impartial, 62 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: must be unbiased, can't have an opinion on anything, and 63 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: to ask a first nation's Australian not to tell their story, 64 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: share their truth, especially if it's to do with pain 65 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: and colonialism, that to me isn't a political act. It's 66 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: not a political thing for Stan Grant to sit on 67 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: that panel and speak of the hurt that happened to 68 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: his family. 69 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: He also felt that the ABC didn't back him, that 70 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: he was kind of thrown to the wolves because the 71 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: ABC invited him on as a guest and haven't backed him. 72 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: But they have now late yes. 73 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: So this is one of the big talking points of 74 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: this whole thing is that Stan said in this article 75 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: that no one at the ABC, whose producers invited me 76 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: onto their coronation coverage as a guest, has uttered one 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: word of public support. Not one ABC executive has publicly 78 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: refuted the lies written or spoken about me. I don't 79 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: hold any individual responsible. This is an institutional failure and 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 3: your correct amount. Obviously, since then, the ABC Director of News, 81 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: Justin Stevens, has come out and condemned it. A lot 82 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 3: of senior leadership at the ABC has similarly come out 83 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: and defended stand. But it feels like a sad day 84 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 3: when a. 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: Serious he's a pretty serious insect. Old Stan. We've had 86 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: him on our show a few times and he is 87 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: a very serious insect. When you go on those shows, 88 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: I've noticed that you get absolutely no feedback from anyone. 89 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 2: They put you on there, You do your bit and 90 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: you look around and I guess it was all right, yeah, 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: because you're back next week. But my point is feedback. 92 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 2: No one gives you any feedback until it goes bad. 93 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: And I would say I didn't watch the ABC coverage 94 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: of the coronation, but at the time I thought, well, 95 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: why the hell are they doing this? Why have they 96 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: got stand on there? But if he as a guest 97 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 2: giving his opinion, that's the ABC in a way being impartial, 98 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: covering all all bases. 99 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: That's right. And if you want to see the fruit 100 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: through other networks were showing you and was Goshi, Yeah, 101 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: and there was. 102 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: Plenty of frufrou. It wasn't you know, it wasn't that 103 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: eight hours of let's slam the idea of the monarchy 104 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: and our participation in it. I think I want to 105 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: point out this point from Stan in his article where 106 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 3: he said that you know, he'd offered truths and they 107 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: were hard truths, but they're not told with hate. He's 108 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: offering these truths with love. It's the same love that 109 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 3: inspired my grandfather, a Warajeri man, to fight in World 110 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: War Two for a country that didn't recognize his full humanity. 111 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: My grandfather who kept by his bed the Bible, the 112 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: works of Shakespeare, a Baraduri man who knew that he 113 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 3: had a place in the world. So I think that 114 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: everyone needs to remember that this is a man who 115 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: has a story in the past. 116 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: And as he said, this is being amplified at the moment, 117 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: as is the vitriol, because whether we like it or not. 118 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: He says, we're being asked to judge our First Nations 119 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: people when we're coming up to the vote for the voice. 120 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: He feels that this is actually fracturing us in a 121 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: harsh way too. I agree with him, But what a 122 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: terrible thing to be losing stand grant. 123 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: We don't lose Stan. Come back, Stan. We love you. 124 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: We'll find a place for him here, surely. 125 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: Reckon our set. 126 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: You can gradu at nine point thirty tonight on City, 127 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: the last one from Stan. 128 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, Emma, Thank you, Emma. Sabi. That's your new 129 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: Wikipedia name.