WEBVTT - FULL SHOW: Have we found the cure for doomscrolling? 0:00:10.379 --> 0:00:14.219 Hi Heart podcasts, hear more Kiss podcast playlist and listen 0:00:14.259 --> 0:00:16.099 live on the Free iHeart app. 0:00:18.299 --> 0:00:21.619 A good pickup with Britt Hockley. 0:00:21.339 --> 0:00:25.538 And Laura Burn Brady or what our windows down? 0:00:25.819 --> 0:00:29.099 If my worries in the dust? Only good fab dog 0:00:29.139 --> 0:00:33.979 all down? I've done much, but yeah I'm not our 0:00:34.099 --> 0:00:34.899 big get. 0:00:34.659 --> 0:00:37.538 And what I want it don't matter where that goes. 0:00:37.659 --> 0:00:38.859 This is the pickup. 0:00:39.419 --> 0:00:41.339 Welcome to the middle of the week. Everyone, It's the 0:00:41.339 --> 0:00:43.019 pickup with Brett Hockey and Laura Burn. 0:00:43.179 --> 0:00:45.179 Is that your way, Laura of trying to avoid seeing 0:00:45.259 --> 0:00:45.859 hump day? 0:00:47.619 --> 0:00:50.099 The week hump day? It's the downhood slide from here though, 0:00:50.139 --> 0:00:52.139 Isn't it like you're already over the hump by the 0:00:52.219 --> 0:00:53.819 end of the afternoon of Wednesday? 0:00:53.899 --> 0:00:54.259 All right? 0:00:54.459 --> 0:00:56.979 Could be a road question. Do you prefer the start 0:00:56.979 --> 0:00:58.339 of the week or the end of the week. 0:00:58.379 --> 0:01:01.099 End of the week. Yeah, start of the week is 0:01:01.299 --> 0:01:03.579 very intense for us from a work perspective, and then 0:01:03.619 --> 0:01:05.699 it kind of just like tape is out down. I 0:01:06.379 --> 0:01:09.018 like a good taper. Also, go for YOCHI a f afternoon. 0:01:09.099 --> 0:01:10.499 I love that as well. Do you know what I 0:01:10.539 --> 0:01:11.019 don't love? 0:01:11.179 --> 0:01:11.579 Tell me? 0:01:11.739 --> 0:01:14.258 This is probably too much information for everyone. But yesterday 0:01:14.298 --> 0:01:16.259 I ate a sandwich and I had onions in it, 0:01:16.458 --> 0:01:18.859 and I hate onions. I hate them. I hate them. 0:01:18.859 --> 0:01:21.459 I hate them. Raw onions shouldn't be on anything. And 0:01:21.499 --> 0:01:24.458 now all I can smell is onions in my microphone, 0:01:24.499 --> 0:01:26.779 like I breathed it into the soft cushioned part of 0:01:26.779 --> 0:01:29.578 this microphone, and I feel physically unwell. 0:01:29.738 --> 0:01:31.739 It was still a choice that you made to eat 0:01:31.818 --> 0:01:32.938 said onions that you hate. 0:01:32.979 --> 0:01:34.099 You could have taken them off. 0:01:34.139 --> 0:01:34.978 What was I gonna do? 0:01:35.059 --> 0:01:38.019 Take them my whole lunch onion sandwich. 0:01:38.018 --> 0:01:40.659 It permeates through everything. It really does. Once it's on 0:01:40.699 --> 0:01:42.738 a sandwich, it's ruined. I picked them off, but it 0:01:42.779 --> 0:01:43.458 wasn't good enough. 0:01:43.499 --> 0:01:45.618 We're a solid couple of meters away from each other, 0:01:45.658 --> 0:01:47.859 so as you stay on that side of the room 0:01:47.899 --> 0:01:49.418 and it doesn't come out the other end, we're. 0:01:49.299 --> 0:01:53.419 Good now, Britt. Have you seen the trend that is 0:01:53.419 --> 0:01:57.539 currently going viral on TikTok and it is parents quizzing 0:01:57.619 --> 0:02:01.139 their kids on really toxic sayings that they probably heard 0:02:01.179 --> 0:02:02.819 when they were growing up, when they were kids from 0:02:02.819 --> 0:02:03.579 their own parents. 0:02:03.659 --> 0:02:06.259 Yeah, I sort of not gonna lie. I have seen it, 0:02:06.339 --> 0:02:09.739 but I usually scoop past them because the kid contents 0:02:09.859 --> 0:02:10.739 not hugely. 0:02:10.819 --> 0:02:13.099 It's not you, it's not in your sphere. 0:02:13.179 --> 0:02:13.859 But I've seen them. 0:02:13.859 --> 0:02:16.099 They're sort of like those scenes on like kids should 0:02:16.099 --> 0:02:17.139 be seen and not heard. 0:02:17.179 --> 0:02:18.379 It's that kind of stuff, isn't it. 0:02:18.459 --> 0:02:20.379 Yeah, And you know what. I saw one of these 0:02:20.379 --> 0:02:22.138 about two weeks ago, and it was the first one 0:02:22.179 --> 0:02:24.499 that I saw, and the response was really really beautiful 0:02:24.499 --> 0:02:26.538 from the little kid, and it was kind of this 0:02:26.659 --> 0:02:29.739 gorgeous full circle moment from a mum who had obviously 0:02:29.779 --> 0:02:32.739 had a really rough childhood, who had probably heard all 0:02:32.779 --> 0:02:36.019 these things from her parents, and then she would say 0:02:36.219 --> 0:02:39.979 the start of a really toxic sentence that we probably 0:02:40.059 --> 0:02:43.059 have all heard growing up at some different points, and 0:02:43.099 --> 0:02:45.419 then her child had to answer them. Have a little 0:02:45.418 --> 0:02:46.659 listen to how this goes down. 0:02:47.219 --> 0:02:53.538 Children should be seen and happy, go accent. Yeah, okay, 0:02:53.899 --> 0:02:57.819 I brought you into this world from the hospital. From 0:02:57.819 --> 0:02:58.538 the hospital. 0:02:58.859 --> 0:03:03.019 And the other one is stop crying. I'll give you kimmy. 0:03:04.659 --> 0:03:07.018 Oh that's so sweet, it really is. 0:03:07.138 --> 0:03:09.978 It is so sweet. Okay. So I want to read 0:03:10.019 --> 0:03:12.499 you some of these other really toxic sayings that are 0:03:12.538 --> 0:03:14.819 kind of like make up these viral clips. One of 0:03:14.819 --> 0:03:18.899 them was I'm your parent, not your friend. Is the 0:03:18.939 --> 0:03:19.419 answer to that? 0:03:19.538 --> 0:03:20.939 Oh, I didn't even know what the answer maybe, and 0:03:20.978 --> 0:03:21.619 you need to quiz me. 0:03:21.619 --> 0:03:25.019 Only as long as you live under my roof, you 0:03:25.059 --> 0:03:27.499 will follow my rules. But it says, you know, they 0:03:27.619 --> 0:03:30.579 let the kids answer it. Another one is when you 0:03:30.579 --> 0:03:34.138 get to the store, don't touch anything, which I think 0:03:34.179 --> 0:03:36.419 a lot of parents probably still say to their kids. 0:03:36.179 --> 0:03:38.339 I don't think that's toxic, breaking you bought it. 0:03:38.579 --> 0:03:42.579 And the other one is just wait until your dad 0:03:42.619 --> 0:03:45.979 gets home. Now, some of these are probably worse than others. 0:03:46.019 --> 0:03:48.099 I think the one that everyone kind of knew where 0:03:48.099 --> 0:03:50.179 it was going was I'll give you something to cry about. 0:03:50.739 --> 0:03:52.979 One of the things that I have loved so deeply 0:03:53.019 --> 0:03:56.019 about becoming a mum is how much it can heal 0:03:56.059 --> 0:03:58.339 your inner child. How you get to parent in a 0:03:58.379 --> 0:04:00.939 way that maybe wasn't exactly how you were parented, or 0:04:00.979 --> 0:04:03.419 you learned from the lessons. And I tried to do 0:04:03.499 --> 0:04:06.619 this with my kids. I didn't get the same outcome. Unfortunately. 0:04:06.659 --> 0:04:10.219 Now they didn't know the toxic sentences. But I asked Lola. 0:04:10.419 --> 0:04:13.339 She understood the assignment. I asked Lola things like I 0:04:13.379 --> 0:04:15.539 brought you into this world and she would say so 0:04:15.579 --> 0:04:17.459 that you can love me, or so that kids can 0:04:17.499 --> 0:04:20.179 be loved. It was very sweet. And I asked Marley 0:04:20.259 --> 0:04:21.979 the same ones, and I said, I brought you into 0:04:21.979 --> 0:04:24.299 this world, and she said to buy me toys. 0:04:24.819 --> 0:04:25.539 So good Onie. 0:04:25.619 --> 0:04:27.819 I really had a bit of a back that kind 0:04:27.859 --> 0:04:30.059 of like spun around on me. But I think it's 0:04:30.099 --> 0:04:33.059 really beautiful that sometimes we see these trends and TikTok 0:04:33.099 --> 0:04:36.739 things and usually they're exploiting kids, and this one just 0:04:36.859 --> 0:04:38.779 was a really beautiful, feel good moment. 0:04:39.059 --> 0:04:41.819 I mean, I totally get some of those scenes that 0:04:41.819 --> 0:04:43.939 they're problematic, but there are some of them that I'm like, 0:04:44.019 --> 0:04:45.019 that's fine, Like I. 0:04:44.979 --> 0:04:45.899 Don't see the big deal. 0:04:46.179 --> 0:04:48.059 Maybe that's because I grew up in a safe, loving 0:04:48.099 --> 0:04:50.139 home and so when they were said to me, they 0:04:50.179 --> 0:04:54.139 weren't said with any maliciousness or violence or anger. I 0:04:54.179 --> 0:04:56.659 understand it's probably dependent on the home that you've grown 0:04:56.739 --> 0:04:57.019 up in. 0:04:56.979 --> 0:04:58.699 But I think your parents would have said children should 0:04:58.699 --> 0:04:59.539 be seen and not heard them. 0:04:59.619 --> 0:05:02.579 They did say that the mom had four kids about 0:05:02.579 --> 0:05:05.659 eighteen months apart, each single one and get. 0:05:05.499 --> 0:05:07.059 Out of this hour, But she would. 0:05:06.859 --> 0:05:08.979 Say it more like she would I never say it 0:05:08.979 --> 0:05:10.459 as if we weren't allowed to speak, but it was 0:05:10.459 --> 0:05:11.939 definitely a saying that was thrown around. 0:05:12.019 --> 0:05:14.699 Hey if we were interrupting, Hey kids, did it be 0:05:14.779 --> 0:05:15.379 see not heard? 0:05:15.499 --> 0:05:16.979 But it was more of a I don't want to 0:05:16.979 --> 0:05:19.339 say in Jess, but Mum would have also said way 0:05:19.379 --> 0:05:21.819 too father gets home. But that was more because we 0:05:21.859 --> 0:05:23.499 took the piece a little bit with Mum, like we 0:05:23.819 --> 0:05:25.819 pulled one over it. And it was more because Dad. 0:05:25.619 --> 0:05:26.499 Was a disciplinarian. 0:05:26.579 --> 0:05:28.619 We weren't like a smacking family or anything, but you 0:05:28.739 --> 0:05:32.059 just knew that, like Dad was the one that set the. 0:05:32.059 --> 0:05:34.499 Rules, so we could sort of like poor Mum when 0:05:34.539 --> 0:05:34.939 I look. 0:05:34.859 --> 0:05:37.499 Back, like you're like, we really tort it, like we 0:05:37.499 --> 0:05:38.259 were hard on her. 0:05:38.419 --> 0:05:40.339 I don't know. Some of these are way worse than others. 0:05:40.379 --> 0:05:42.219 I don't think any kids should ever know the ending 0:05:42.219 --> 0:05:43.939 of a sentence. I brought you into this world so 0:05:44.059 --> 0:05:44.979 I can take you out of it. 0:05:45.099 --> 0:05:47.299 No, that's what I'm saying. Some of them I totally get. 0:05:47.379 --> 0:05:49.579 Others, I'm like, we're being a bit like too much 0:05:49.579 --> 0:05:50.699 with it, you know, cotton drawl. 0:05:50.979 --> 0:05:52.899 Well, I just thought it was a really feel like nice, 0:05:52.899 --> 0:05:54.379 feel good and maybe if you guys want to check 0:05:54.419 --> 0:05:55.739 it out you can do it with your own kids 0:05:55.779 --> 0:05:59.019 and see how well your parents now. 0:05:59.059 --> 0:06:00.819 Laura, I feel like you're gonna have a story off 0:06:00.819 --> 0:06:02.979 the back of this. But there's a video that came 0:06:03.059 --> 0:06:06.539 up on my feed that had been absolutely hysterics. I 0:06:06.619 --> 0:06:09.019 do want to preface this by saying I believed it 0:06:09.059 --> 0:06:09.579 at the start. 0:06:09.659 --> 0:06:11.259 I had to go and do a deep dive to 0:06:11.299 --> 0:06:12.539 find out it was a print call. 0:06:13.059 --> 0:06:15.779 But it's this five year old Irish girl that calls 0:06:15.779 --> 0:06:18.699 the demolition company in Ireland to knock a school down. 0:06:19.219 --> 0:06:20.019 Have a listened to this? 0:06:20.699 --> 0:06:22.019 Hello, how are you? 0:06:22.099 --> 0:06:22.979 My name's Becky. 0:06:23.819 --> 0:06:27.819 Yes, I have a proposal for you. Go ahead. 0:06:28.259 --> 0:06:29.619 Are you the demolition man? 0:06:30.219 --> 0:06:30.499 Yes? 0:06:31.059 --> 0:06:33.139 He is the top boss, Yeah, go ahead. 0:06:33.179 --> 0:06:33.699 What's the guy? 0:06:35.219 --> 0:06:35.499 Hello? 0:06:35.739 --> 0:06:38.259 I want you to help me destroy my school. 0:06:39.499 --> 0:06:40.379 Do you want to blow it up? 0:06:40.779 --> 0:06:42.539 Couldn't blow it up? Or knock it down? 0:06:43.139 --> 0:06:45.739 Whatever whatever you want done, and you just. 0:06:45.659 --> 0:06:47.899 Make sure that they're all in the building when. 0:06:47.699 --> 0:06:49.859 You knock it down, you put all their names on us. 0:06:50.299 --> 0:06:50.899 I give you a. 0:06:52.459 --> 0:06:56.539 Brilliant It's like a ten minute call where she's saying, like, 0:06:56.659 --> 0:06:59.219 my teachers, make me do your homework, knock the school down. 0:06:59.339 --> 0:07:02.939 The demolition company is in like absolute hysterics. But it 0:07:02.979 --> 0:07:05.219 made me think, have your kids ever done this where 0:07:05.219 --> 0:07:06.939 they they've called someone accidentally? 0:07:07.019 --> 0:07:07.299 Or they. 0:07:08.939 --> 0:07:10.899 Like they're not that age, Like they're not at an 0:07:10.939 --> 0:07:13.819 age where they can give Yeah, but five is not 0:07:13.859 --> 0:07:15.339 old enough to be like, do you know what, I'm 0:07:15.339 --> 0:07:18.059 gonna call a demolition company and get them to knock 0:07:18.099 --> 0:07:20.539 the school down. I also don't think it. I don't 0:07:20.619 --> 0:07:23.059 they're they're filled with that much hatred. But look, I 0:07:23.099 --> 0:07:25.379 do think their kids do things with phones and they'll 0:07:25.459 --> 0:07:28.339 they'll call people, but they don't always understand the repercussions 0:07:28.339 --> 0:07:31.539 of what they're doing. We had one instance about six 0:07:31.539 --> 0:07:34.539 months ago, so Marley would have just been five or 0:07:34.539 --> 0:07:37.539 five and a half, and she was with her cousins 0:07:37.539 --> 0:07:39.299 and they were playing on a payphone. Her cousins are 0:07:39.299 --> 0:07:41.859 all similar age, and I was like, what are they doing? 0:07:42.299 --> 0:07:44.259 And I could see that they were laughing really hard 0:07:44.299 --> 0:07:45.979 about it, and I was like, oh, I don't like that. 0:07:46.019 --> 0:07:49.059 I walked over and they just called Triple zero and 0:07:49.059 --> 0:07:52.539 someone had answered the phone, and I obviously I gave 0:07:52.579 --> 0:07:55.259 them the full schooling on why that was so problematic, 0:07:55.659 --> 0:07:57.699 and she was so upset because she didn't really understand 0:07:57.739 --> 0:07:59.419 what it was that she'd done, Like she had no 0:07:59.499 --> 0:08:04.299 comprehension about the magnitude of why that's a problem. Funny. No, 0:08:04.379 --> 0:08:06.659 she literally they just pressed some buttons and then someone 0:08:06.659 --> 0:08:08.179 answered it and they you know, and she was like, 0:08:08.219 --> 0:08:11.099 it's the police, Like she didn't know what was going on. 0:08:11.579 --> 0:08:14.059 But like I remember being a kid and doing prank 0:08:14.139 --> 0:08:16.859 calls and thinking I was so funny. I'd call my neighbor, 0:08:17.179 --> 0:08:19.459 I'd pretend to be someone really confused olga. 0:08:19.499 --> 0:08:21.419 At the time, prank calls gave me anxiety. 0:08:21.419 --> 0:08:22.899 I couldn't do them. I couldn't even do a knock 0:08:22.899 --> 0:08:24.699 and run. I was like a pretty goody two. 0:08:24.619 --> 0:08:26.259 Show, one of the yeah where one of those radio 0:08:26.259 --> 0:08:28.699 shows that can't do prank calls because everybody freaks out 0:08:28.699 --> 0:08:31.339 and freezes up. No, it's true. Well, look, actually we've 0:08:31.379 --> 0:08:34.259 got some calls coming through, speaking of nat, who did 0:08:34.259 --> 0:08:34.939 your kids call? 0:08:35.739 --> 0:08:38.899 Oh my goodness. It was the most traumatic experience. 0:08:38.419 --> 0:08:39.339 Of my adult life. 0:08:39.379 --> 0:08:43.499 I think had at the time six and a half 0:08:43.619 --> 0:08:46.059 year old daughter, and you know, hashtag mom life. I 0:08:46.059 --> 0:08:48.499 hadn't been in the working game for a while, and 0:08:48.579 --> 0:08:51.139 I finally got a gig for this new job, and 0:08:51.259 --> 0:08:53.019 the first thing they asked me to do was a 0:08:53.019 --> 0:08:56.299 FaceTime call with about seven or eight other people, the 0:08:56.539 --> 0:09:00.819 HR team, the CEOs, the bosses, like, there's some well 0:09:00.859 --> 0:09:03.499 known people here in the mix who are like in 0:09:03.539 --> 0:09:05.939 the spotlight. I'll just say that I want to give 0:09:05.979 --> 0:09:09.579 their names up. But they had the FaceTime call. Everything 0:09:09.659 --> 0:09:12.019 was great. And then later that day I actually went 0:09:12.059 --> 0:09:14.379 out and left the kid at home with her dad, 0:09:14.659 --> 0:09:16.699 and she asked if she could FaceTime all of her 0:09:16.739 --> 0:09:20.059 cousins and I said, not a problem. It's the group call, 0:09:21.099 --> 0:09:23.659 the last group call on the iPad, and I had 0:09:23.659 --> 0:09:26.739 my phone obviously, and that was fine. And then I 0:09:26.779 --> 0:09:29.299 got home and my daughter said, Mommy, I spoke to 0:09:29.339 --> 0:09:32.459 a really funny man on FaceTime today. And I said, 0:09:32.459 --> 0:09:34.299 what do you mean? What do you mean he spoke 0:09:34.339 --> 0:09:36.179 to a really funny She goes when I called my cousins, 0:09:36.179 --> 0:09:37.379 and I was like, was it your uncle? 0:09:37.579 --> 0:09:37.819 Was it? 0:09:38.179 --> 0:09:38.379 Well? 0:09:38.379 --> 0:09:40.338 What do you mean? And I had a look, and 0:09:40.459 --> 0:09:43.859 to my shock and horror, she had FaceTime that entire 0:09:44.019 --> 0:09:47.059 last work meeting call. And the person that she'd FaceTime 0:09:47.579 --> 0:09:52.899 who answered was the CEO, the BO and the call 0:09:52.979 --> 0:09:54.139 went for eight minutes. 0:09:54.419 --> 0:09:55.059 Why was he. 0:09:55.099 --> 0:09:58.338 Spending eight minutes of his day talking to a step old. 0:09:59.019 --> 0:10:01.819 To this day, we have not addressed the elephant in 0:10:01.859 --> 0:10:04.659 the room. I have not discussed this with my bosses. 0:10:05.259 --> 0:10:09.779 My child can't articulate what was said, and just this mystery, 0:10:09.819 --> 0:10:11.819 and I'm happy for it to stay there because I 0:10:11.819 --> 0:10:13.739 don't know what happened in that eight minutes, but it 0:10:13.819 --> 0:10:14.779 was truly horrifying. 0:10:14.899 --> 0:10:17.779 That is hilarious. Also, like why would you just be 0:10:17.819 --> 0:10:19.299 like you got the wrong number, sweeting. 0:10:19.459 --> 0:10:21.819 Maybe it was like, go get your mom, because it 0:10:21.819 --> 0:10:23.779 would have come up with your name. Two to eight. 0:10:23.619 --> 0:10:25.779 Minutes, that's a full converse. That's longer than I speak 0:10:25.779 --> 0:10:27.259 to my own mother on the phone. Like that's a 0:10:27.299 --> 0:10:29.899 long time, My god, Thanks Mat. We've also got back 0:10:29.939 --> 0:10:31.579 on the line back who did your kids call? 0:10:32.419 --> 0:10:35.059 My son would have been about three at the time, 0:10:36.259 --> 0:10:39.619 and my husband was working outside and I've just kind 0:10:39.619 --> 0:10:41.979 of needed a shower, stat him on the floor of 0:10:41.979 --> 0:10:45.139 the bathroom, given him my phone, John what I had 0:10:45.139 --> 0:10:47.099 to do so I could have a five minute shower 0:10:47.139 --> 0:10:49.619 in peace. And then my husband comes running through the 0:10:49.659 --> 0:10:53.259 door about five minutes later and snatches the phone out 0:10:53.299 --> 0:10:53.739 of your hand. 0:10:53.779 --> 0:10:54.659 I'm like, what are you doing? 0:10:54.779 --> 0:11:02.179 It's like everyone's just called me. She's got live on Instagram. 0:11:02.619 --> 0:11:05.579 Yeah, your three year old went live on Instagram three 0:11:05.699 --> 0:11:07.819 only you didn't even get money from that. 0:11:10.099 --> 0:11:12.979 That's absolutely dem No one wants to be shot from 0:11:12.979 --> 0:11:15.619 the ground up. Goddamn, no one wants to be shot 0:11:15.699 --> 0:11:16.859 naked when they don't know either. 0:11:17.819 --> 0:11:19.059 I was mortified. 0:11:19.339 --> 0:11:23.419 That is so not a voice call, but yeah, probably 0:11:23.459 --> 0:11:24.179 a little bit worse. 0:11:24.819 --> 0:11:27.819 Oh my god, back, that's amazing. That's my favorite. 0:11:27.859 --> 0:11:30.979 I never want to have kids. 0:11:31.459 --> 0:11:34.619 Find the right buttons at the right time to open 0:11:34.659 --> 0:11:35.099 the app. 0:11:35.139 --> 0:11:38.699 And this is my fear. Like my kids often take 0:11:38.739 --> 0:11:40.779 my phone and they like record funny videos on like 0:11:40.819 --> 0:11:43.459 the video app or whatever. But my fear is is 0:11:43.499 --> 0:11:45.779 that one day they're gonna either accidentally post something to 0:11:45.819 --> 0:11:48.459 Instagram or they're going to open it up and just 0:11:48.499 --> 0:11:50.419 like have a chat on my Like, I live with 0:11:50.419 --> 0:11:50.819 this fear. 0:11:50.939 --> 0:11:52.419 I think that this that's warranted. 0:11:52.579 --> 0:11:53.779 Yeah, maybe she's just stop. 0:11:53.619 --> 0:11:58.379 Like that a real fear. I think something that we're 0:11:58.419 --> 0:12:02.099 all guilty of, every single person, almost every single person 0:12:02.179 --> 0:12:02.939 listening right now. 0:12:03.459 --> 0:12:04.419 Doom scrolling. 0:12:04.739 --> 0:12:07.059 Not my great Nana. I mean, she's not allowed an 0:12:08.499 --> 0:12:09.739 I have a doom scrolled in her life. 0:12:09.819 --> 0:12:11.659 Put it that way, maybe she does in heaven. 0:12:12.139 --> 0:12:14.939 So doom scrolling the idea that like, we get sucked 0:12:14.939 --> 0:12:17.779 into this vortex on our phone with no purpose. 0:12:18.019 --> 0:12:20.699 We get lost down rabbit holes of Laura. I know 0:12:20.779 --> 0:12:23.019 you like to go down the rabbit holes of goats. 0:12:23.299 --> 0:12:26.819 I like hobby or scene. We all have our thing. 0:12:27.259 --> 0:12:29.819 It's really humbling when you find yourself late at night 0:12:29.899 --> 0:12:32.539 just googling. I'm not even googling, You're just like scrolling 0:12:32.579 --> 0:12:35.338 Instagram videos of pigeon ness and you're like, oh, okay, 0:12:35.379 --> 0:12:36.019 how did I add here? 0:12:36.099 --> 0:12:37.459 I'm guilty of it. Not on TikTok. 0:12:37.499 --> 0:12:39.139 I'm not a TikToker, but I'm guilty of it on 0:12:39.179 --> 0:12:42.739 Instagram or sometimes just like pointless news, but the idea 0:12:42.739 --> 0:12:44.379 of like just say you're getting to bed and you're like, 0:12:44.419 --> 0:12:46.619 you know what, quick, little ten minutes, I'm just gonna 0:12:46.659 --> 0:12:48.379 search the interweb, see what's on there, and all of 0:12:48.379 --> 0:12:50.819 a sudden, you're like midnight two hours later. 0:12:51.139 --> 0:12:52.179 That's doom scrolling. 0:12:52.219 --> 0:12:55.779 And it's really prevalent in young people on TikTok, so 0:12:55.859 --> 0:12:57.939 like under eighteen kids that are supposed to be going 0:12:57.979 --> 0:13:00.299 to sleep early for school, they're getting sucked into these 0:13:00.379 --> 0:13:01.899 doom scrolling vortexes. 0:13:02.459 --> 0:13:04.819 I've actually got some stats for you on doom scrolling. 0:13:04.979 --> 0:13:05.619 Thank goodness. 0:13:05.659 --> 0:13:08.019 Yep, it makes us twelve times more likely to suffer 0:13:08.139 --> 0:13:11.739 serious mental health issues. Forty two percent of Australians engaging 0:13:11.779 --> 0:13:15.379 doom scrolling, so like, that's nearly half the population. Forty 0:13:15.379 --> 0:13:18.579 eight percent of all Australian adults have reported at least 0:13:18.659 --> 0:13:20.699 two sleep related problems. 0:13:20.819 --> 0:13:22.979 So this is what I wanted to talk to you about. 0:13:23.099 --> 0:13:25.779 It's not necessarily doom scrolling, but it's this new feature 0:13:25.819 --> 0:13:30.299 that TikTok has designed to stop doom scrolling. So now 0:13:30.379 --> 0:13:32.939 if you are under eighteen and you're a TikTok user, 0:13:34.019 --> 0:13:37.218 if you've been scrolling too long, it notes how long 0:13:37.259 --> 0:13:39.939 you've been on there, and it now pops up on 0:13:39.979 --> 0:13:44.179 your screen a guided meditation, So if you're if. 0:13:44.099 --> 0:13:47.379 You're under eighteen, it's a full screen meditation. 0:13:47.659 --> 0:13:49.859 This is when it hits ten pm because it knows 0:13:49.899 --> 0:13:51.339 that kids need sleep. 0:13:51.459 --> 0:13:52.099 Kids need to. 0:13:52.019 --> 0:13:53.459 Go to bed and get x amount of sleep to 0:13:53.499 --> 0:13:55.379 be able to work well the next day at school 0:13:55.419 --> 0:13:57.939 and operate on a normal mental basis. 0:13:58.379 --> 0:14:01.099 So it's popping these mindfulness things up. 0:14:00.939 --> 0:14:02.859 On your screen that you're supposed to do this little meditation, 0:14:02.939 --> 0:14:05.699 and if you ignore it and continue to scroll, it 0:14:05.739 --> 0:14:08.338 will pop another meditation up on your screen. That's like 0:14:08.339 --> 0:14:10.139 a bit more in your face and a bit harder 0:14:10.139 --> 0:14:13.899 to ignore. I'm just not convinced a seventeen year old, 0:14:13.899 --> 0:14:16.379 a sixteen year old is going to stop when a 0:14:16.419 --> 0:14:18.939 meditation pops up and says, oh, well, I better start 0:14:18.979 --> 0:14:19.979 my breathing. 0:14:19.659 --> 0:14:21.179 And get off TikTok. I just don't. 0:14:21.299 --> 0:14:22.979 I just think I love that they're trying. 0:14:23.059 --> 0:14:24.019 I don't think it's going to do it. 0:14:24.139 --> 0:14:25.339 I don't even love that they're trying. 0:14:25.499 --> 0:14:25.579 This. 0:14:25.659 --> 0:14:27.179 To me, when we were talking about this, I was like, 0:14:27.219 --> 0:14:29.699 this is like sticking a band aid on open heart surgery. 0:14:30.019 --> 0:14:32.419 This to me screams of a platform who knows that 0:14:32.459 --> 0:14:35.859 there's a problem. They know that they have created on thee. Yeah, 0:14:36.099 --> 0:14:37.899 And the thing is is the way that the content 0:14:37.979 --> 0:14:40.699 is on TikTok. It's designed for us to never end scroll. 0:14:40.979 --> 0:14:43.979 It's so short. It absolutely just fires those DOPA means 0:14:43.979 --> 0:14:45.699 and you just want to keep on going. You're like, well, 0:14:45.699 --> 0:14:47.779 what's next, what's next? What's next? So like paying a 0:14:47.779 --> 0:14:50.019 poker machine for an adult, let alone for an eighteen 0:14:50.099 --> 0:14:53.139 year old or someone younger. So saying okay, well, at 0:14:53.139 --> 0:14:56.739 ten o'clock we're going to do a two minute breathing meditation. 0:14:57.019 --> 0:14:59.139 The kids are going to flick past it and continue on. 0:14:59.259 --> 0:15:01.739 It's not going to deter anyone. It's just a bit 0:15:01.779 --> 0:15:04.059 of pr flaff that TikTok is able to say that 0:15:04.099 --> 0:15:06.979 they're doing something, which makes it sound like it's better 0:15:07.019 --> 0:15:07.619 than doing nothing. 0:15:07.699 --> 0:15:09.379 You know, well, adult can do it as well, but 0:15:09.419 --> 0:15:10.419 oh thank goodness, it's. 0:15:10.299 --> 0:15:12.859 Not forced upon adults. That is like an opt in. 0:15:12.899 --> 0:15:14.659 You can opt in to have the meditation prompt. 0:15:14.779 --> 0:15:16.339 Well, I mean I do this. There's a thing. It's 0:15:16.379 --> 0:15:18.939 called revenge bedtime procrastination. Right, So when you get to 0:15:18.979 --> 0:15:21.539 the end of your day, you're tired, you know you 0:15:21.539 --> 0:15:23.539 should go to sleep. It's probably the best thing for you. 0:15:23.619 --> 0:15:24.859 All the research is there. 0:15:24.699 --> 0:15:27.299 But the engine need you. They need you. 0:15:27.419 --> 0:15:29.379 I need to look at the hobby horse and goddamn it. 0:15:29.659 --> 0:15:31.459 And then you just lay there in bed on your 0:15:31.499 --> 0:15:34.339 phone looking through and you've gone forty minutes, forty five 0:15:34.339 --> 0:15:36.779 minutes all time that could have been dedicated to sleep. 0:15:37.139 --> 0:15:39.259 But it's kind of feeling like you're coloring back some 0:15:39.539 --> 0:15:43.219 really unproductive me time I do this, and I'm thirty 0:15:43.259 --> 0:15:45.699 nine year old woman, how do you think like young 0:15:45.779 --> 0:15:47.739 eighteen year olds, seventeen year old sixteen year olds are 0:15:47.779 --> 0:15:49.899 on the platform even remotely stand a chance for this. 0:15:50.059 --> 0:15:52.179 I mean, I guess we can't. I mean we can, 0:15:52.259 --> 0:15:53.939 but we can't knock them for trying. At least they're 0:15:53.979 --> 0:15:56.019 doing it. It's better than not putting anything on. They're 0:15:56.059 --> 0:15:57.819 never going to can TikTok, They're never going to put 0:15:57.819 --> 0:16:00.179 it down the gurgle completely, So I guess the next 0:16:00.219 --> 0:16:02.579 best thing. And do you know what, there is scientific 0:16:02.659 --> 0:16:05.499 proof of how good meditation is on the white matter 0:16:05.579 --> 0:16:07.979