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Speaker 1: Thousands of Territorians.

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Speaker 2: Well, they stood on the steps of Parliament House on

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Speaker 2: their respects to Decklan Lavity. Now more than ten thousand

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Speaker 2: people have also signed a petition which was started last

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Speaker 1: But over the.

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Speaker 2: Weekend there was more chaos with businesses in the rural

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Speaker 2: Alice Springs. A number of issues in Alice Springs with

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Speaker 2: multiple premises broken into including Impartja TV. Now joining me

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Speaker 2: in the studio is the Chief Minister, Natasha Files.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to your chief.

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Speaker 3: Minister owning Katie Morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now, Chief Minister, why didn't you attend the rally on

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Speaker 2: the weekend to hear the concerns of territorians.

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, I acknowledged the number of people that showed

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Speaker 4: peaceful and people were able to pay their respects to

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Speaker 4: Declan and also you know, express their voice that enough

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Speaker 4: is enough, and that is the view that I shared

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Speaker 4: time for the community and certainly will continue to listen

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Speaker 3: But for me, it wasn't attending the rally.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch any of that vision over the weekend

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Speaker 2: and are you really hearing what people are saying right now?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Katie, the voices have not fallen on deaf ears,

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Speaker 4: and that's the message I want to reiterate to your listeners.

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Speaker 3: And to the community.

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Speaker 4: We will absolutely continue to do everything we can to

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Speaker 2: Now, there were reportedly thousands there and as I touched

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Speaker 2: on before, more than ten thousand people have now signed

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Speaker 2: a petition which was started less than a week ago.

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Speaker 2: These are everyday territories, people with kids, people who work

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Speaker 1: Are saying to you enough is enough.

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Speaker 2: I know that you are saying that that message is

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Speaker 2: not falling on deaf ears, but do you have a

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Speaker 2: true sense of how demoralized people feel right now?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Katie, the voices of territorian's matter, and I have

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Speaker 2: Now the government last Wednesday you yourself announced immediate review

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Speaker 2: of bail laws for offenses involving a weapon and a

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Speaker 2: review of penalties for people carrying weapons. There will be

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Speaker 2: transit safety officers, crowd controllers and security guards equipped with

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Speaker 2: capsicum spray. There's also going to be workplace safety a review,

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Speaker 2: increased police presence, we're being told, as well as funding

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Speaker 2: for crowd controllers until June. There'll also be alcohol secure

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Speaker 2: a relaunch so businesses can increase physical safety and support. Now,

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Speaker 2: all of that announced on Wednesday last week. By Thursday

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Speaker 4: Katie, I'm equally as frustrated and angry around that behavior.

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Speaker 4: It's not acceptable and police have immediately surged resources and

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Speaker 4: they will continue high visibility policing patrols targeting known hotspots

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Speaker 2: We spoke though about this last week when it comes

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Speaker 2: the next election. But we're in a situation where the

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Speaker 2: Police Commissioner confirmed last week that officers are going to

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Speaker 1: So, as you've said, surge those officers.

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Speaker 2: It is no doubt that that's going to have an

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Speaker 4: So Katie, I have confidence in the Northern churchid Police.

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Speaker 4: We've provided them with additional budget. There's additional constables that

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Speaker 4: It's something that you know, the thought is entertained, but

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Speaker 2: You have just said that it is something the thoughts

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Speaker 4: No, Katie, So when I say it was, you know,

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Speaker 3: Raise from time to time.

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Speaker 4: But we have to understand the different roles that those

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Speaker 4: very clear to the Police Commissioner, Katie, the stress, the anxiety,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the fact is at the moment, people do

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Speaker 4: Them, and Katie, I just pointed towards recent graduates, there's

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Speaker 3: Of course, we will.

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Speaker 4: Do everything we can to give them more tools and

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Speaker 4: that's something we focus on each and every day.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I just want to.

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Speaker 2: Go back to the announcement that was made obviously last week.

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Speaker 2: You also announced that there is going to be some

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, when someone commits an offense, the police or

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Speaker 1: It's in line with the community's expectations.

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Speaker 4: And that's what we're reviewing immediately, Katie, and that work

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Speaker 2: So currently do you think that they meet community expectation?

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, our bail laws, they are reviewed in the

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Speaker 3: So I'll allow that work to be undertaken.

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Speaker 1: Who's doing the review into bail laws, so.

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Speaker 4: The Department of Justice Legal Policy and also Police Youth

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Speaker 1: When's it going to be finished?

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, the work, as I just said, has been

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Speaker 2: Might be listening thinking that sounds like an internal review.

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Speaker 4: I think it's appropriate to have those people that are involved,

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Speaker 2: I got to understand that obviously they are the appropriate

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Speaker 1: That you know that it is it is.

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Speaker 4: And Katie, our justice system has a presumption of innocence

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Speaker 2: The situation right now here, though, is that the community

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Speaker 2: Why has it taken the government this long? Or is

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, we have put in place a range of measures,

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Speaker 4: and we have put in place, you know, new resources

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Speaker 4: We've expandedhol electronic monitoring alcohol policy. So there has been

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Speaker 3: But is there more to do?

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Speaker 3: And that's what's happening well.

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Speaker 2: And I think if I could make one point to

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Speaker 4: And so, Katie, that's why that increase police presence. That's

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Speaker 2: You see, though, the argument from people right now that

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Speaker 2: These things going to be looked at while you're reviewing

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Speaker 4: that could be another point, Katie, that people commit an

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Speaker 4: And that I think comes to that penalties piece. That

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Speaker 2: Okay, are you going to change anything when it comes

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, this is one that is difficult. It's a

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Speaker 3: The space of alcohol around what we can do.

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Speaker 4: And this is you know, listening to the community, but

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Speaker 2: All right, So we're looking at reducing ours permanently at

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, the reduction in trading hours is around providing

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Speaker 2: What about buybacks, licensed buybacks or anything along those lines

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Speaker 4: I always have been doing work and we have shifted

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Speaker 3: It was a yearly thing. We've shifted that into.

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Speaker 4: The Police Commissioners made those comments, and I'm not going

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Speaker 2: All Right, we are very fast running out of time.

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Speaker 4: So Katie, we were very clear that that was around

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Speaker 3: See that change in active.

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Speaker 1: Are they in place?

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Speaker 4: That work is well underway and we've been provided with briefing.

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Speaker 4: So this is around ensuring that we don't see police

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister, you told me just a couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: So Katie, I just want to reassure the community.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely listen each and every day, every comment, every

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Speaker 4: When you look at that long list of investment, and

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Speaker 2: Many people are also questioning if you're up to the job.

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Speaker 4: I believe so I've got the support of my colleagues.

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Speaker 2: Why shouldn't you resign at this.

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Speaker 1: To be, Chief Minister. She's not the only one saying it.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people in the community who

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Speaker 4: That's my aim, Katie, That's what I'm working each and

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's appropriate?

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're appropriate? Though? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Election, Katie, those calls are absolutely being heard. The work

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Speaker 2: change and that they're going to change quickly.

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Speaker 4: Katie, we are at one with our community. We're heartbroken

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Speaker 4: over the incident and the loss of Declan's life, but

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Speaker 4: you can see through our actions that we are putting

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Speaker 4: in place measures that we hope will overcome these issues

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Speaker 4: and give us that safe territory we want. And if

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Speaker 4: they don't, we will never stop trying. If they don't, though,

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Speaker 4: is what is going to happen. What can the community expect? So, Katie,

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Speaker 4: that's where it comes back to. It's not one individual

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Speaker 4: solution or action that will change all of this as

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Speaker 4: much as we wish that. It's a multitude of things

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Speaker 4: and we've got to keep putting those measures out there

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Speaker 4: so that we can get that change.

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Speaker 2: And if they don't change, will you be staying on

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Speaker 2: as the Chief Minister Katie.

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Speaker 4: I'm confident if we come together, if we acknowledge the issues,

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Speaker 4: which they've absolutely been acknowledged, if we continue to listen

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Speaker 4: and we continue to provide that response, we will change things.

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister Natasha Files will have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always, fear time, take care,