Speaker 1: Hey, let's just welcome back to the Mason cock Show.
Speaker 1: Big episode today Essendon Adelaide, Adelaide barely pipped Essendon. Now
Speaker 1: everyone's talking finals for Essden. Is that still a thing?
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna get into if you're a calling fan,
Speaker 1: believe me, I feel you're paying this week, we're gonna
Speaker 1: walk through it bit of therapy, beta therapy for everyone. Also,
Speaker 1: we're gonna mention the guinea stuff that kind of happened
Speaker 1: over the weekend. There's a bit to cover in that one.
Speaker 1: But also there is a player that has broken a
Speaker 1: record this weekend, the most fine player in AFL history.
Speaker 1: Who that might be? Take your guesses. But we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into it and much much more. And lastly, before
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Speaker 1: starting this thing right now. All right, legend, we've got
Speaker 1: a big podcast ahead. Let's start this thing off. Welcome, Branden,
Speaker 1: Why even bother my?
Speaker 2: Why what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I'm going to sweak glass half full.
Speaker 1: Now we're back to glass half fifty again. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, the damns were just bursting at the seams and
Speaker 2: they're just burst through this week.
Speaker 3: I actually I give no ships.
Speaker 2: I'm that over the first gonn to go support the victory.
Speaker 1: I'm an a league guy.
Speaker 2: Now this podcast we're going, we're doing stuff footy, We're
Speaker 2: going to do other sports.
Speaker 1: We'll do NBA team there.
Speaker 2: The career, I support pickleball or some ship. This it's
Speaker 2: at least it's got integrity.
Speaker 1: Mane. Wow, that's why I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to lean straight into your clan, right into my clanger,
Speaker 2: because this is already arcing back from last week. And
Speaker 2: I hold grudges, so there's I'm petty as they come.
Speaker 2: I'm sick of freaking and I didn't write that on there,
Speaker 2: but I'm still in the demonetization seven minute period here.
Speaker 2: I'm sick of AFL loopholes and players getting off, whether
Speaker 2: you think they're innocent or not.
Speaker 3: They go through the process.
Speaker 2: MRO, then they go to the tribunal, and then they
Speaker 2: go to real court. Let's stop taking stuff to the
Speaker 2: real world because they're not real world problems. If you
Speaker 2: get suspended and then it goes to the tripeuneral and
Speaker 2: they go, yeah, you probably suspended. Just stay suspended. I'm
Speaker 2: sick of these like because it muddies the water. We
Speaker 2: saw Patrick Crips do it the other year, didn't swear,
Speaker 2: launched into the air and killed a bloke and then
Speaker 2: he got done for that, but he got off because
Speaker 2: of the technicality.
Speaker 1: And then we look this year, two players.
Speaker 2: Did it back to back, copying each other's homework. They went, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: he got off on a technicality. I'm the same thing.
Speaker 2: So now, like a bloke going to get suspended, just
Speaker 2: take it to real court and get out of it.
Speaker 2: Because the AFL doesn't seem to know what their rules
Speaker 2: are or what they're arguing, and they keep getting beaten
Speaker 2: in court pretty easily by the sounds of it. So
Speaker 2: let's just go to real court each week. Let's just
Speaker 2: go to real court and stuff the rules. But we
Speaker 2: I've talked about this, get into like a little rabbit
Speaker 2: hole because you can barry hall someone out there and
Speaker 2: not go to jail because it's not real anything that
Speaker 2: happens on the grass is not real. But then we're
Speaker 2: now we're bleeding into the reality of real courts and stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. It sucks
Speaker 2: the joy out of the game. I don't know who's
Speaker 2: going to get suspended.
Speaker 1: Ben Keys.
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to get twelve weeks because
Speaker 2: last week he would have got six weeks, and then
Speaker 2: next week he's getting no weeks. Well guess what he
Speaker 2: got off because he had one arm free. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about that later because I'm already.
Speaker 1: He's fired out. I'm sick of my clanger, my clangers.
Speaker 1: You know. I like to give love to people on
Speaker 1: this podcast. You know, we like think a bit of
Speaker 1: a positive podcast, minus what you're talking about. Loose this week,
Speaker 1: Mad's gonna go with, you know, Afford myself, so I
Speaker 1: can understand. There's some people that go into slumps right
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Oh there was a key for that
Speaker 1: had to be of a rough outing. You could say, oh,
Speaker 1: Benny king Kingy zero goals three behind from seven shots. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's four that did not get counted for reasons of
Speaker 1: not making the line. That's a rough day. That's a
Speaker 1: rough day as it's all Ford. Heck, I've got full
Speaker 1: faith he's going to turn this thing around. You know.
Speaker 1: I think if anyone can do it, he can do it.
Speaker 1: He's got the experience and I've got full trust his goal.
Speaker 1: King site, I'm gonna say it's a clanger this week,
Speaker 1: but it's not going to be a consistent theme.
Speaker 2: We can fix it, And I think I feel bad
Speaker 2: for someone like Dimmer who's clearly stressed. Get that man
Speaker 2: a stress ball, but you're getting it to your key
Speaker 2: forward seven times to have seven cracks at the big
Speaker 2: sticks and he hits none.
Speaker 3: Come on, but I don't know. No, we're back into
Speaker 3: tournament pushing positive fards up.
Speaker 2: Hey, Charlie Kerno kicked three seven last week and he
Speaker 2: couldn't miss this week.
Speaker 1: So it happens. It's Corama. He's due for a few
Speaker 1: easy goals. Yeah, next week, next week, Benny King, we
Speaker 1: got full lot for you, brother. Well let's get into results.
Speaker 2: My legend, Well, it was a bit starting with the
Speaker 2: Friday night game, an absolute blockbuster defense out the window.
Speaker 2: We've got one hundred and thirty andes and then two
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen Adelaide just getting across the line.
Speaker 2: GWS got the job done against Gold Coast. Unfortunately couldn't kick.
Speaker 1: The away game for the Gold Coast. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: the Gold Coast.
Speaker 2: St Kildo got the job done convincingly over West Coast.
Speaker 2: Have just kind of fallen off now waiting for the
Speaker 2: off season break. Hawthorne absolutely annihilated Collingwood. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: that later. That's a bit sad. Geelong got done at
Speaker 2: GMHBA against Bulldogs who are back baby, and I'm convinced
Speaker 2: that they're back for real this time. Port got the
Speaker 2: job done over Richmond, which they should be doing. Can
Speaker 2: he still give the midfield a bit of a spray
Speaker 2: which we love. Brisbane got the job done against Sydney,
Speaker 2: got across the line a couple points in it.
Speaker 1: Good game of footy. My cocklock got over the it
Speaker 1: was locked dead last week. Brisbane beat Sydney, got the
Speaker 1: dubs cocklck.
Speaker 2: You've got to be super crisp and clear when you
Speaker 2: say that sentence, because my cock got over the line
Speaker 2: there FREO one hundred and sixteen.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was and there.
Speaker 1: Was some injuries out of that. They're going to be
Speaker 1: very important for their run in the Finals, so we're
Speaker 1: going to cover that later too, so fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they beat Melbourne convincingly and then Carlton or not
Speaker 2: very convincingly against.
Speaker 1: Gerry Scary, and there also was a few injuries out
Speaker 1: of that we're going to talk about. They're gonna be big,
Speaker 1: big implications for the rest of their season.
Speaker 2: Big talking points. So we'll start with that. Harry McKay
Speaker 2: and it's not so much this incident. We talked about
Speaker 2: it last week and we've talked about it for the
Speaker 2: umpteenth time that it looked like Harry mckaye got knocked out,
Speaker 2: hit his head head on head contact, went down on
Speaker 2: the ground, stayed down for a considerable amount of time.
Speaker 2: His eyes were crossed. When he came up close on
Speaker 2: the broadcast, he stood up. Aidenkoor was like like, look
Speaker 2: it after him because it looked like he was going
Speaker 2: to fall down. He was very unsteady on his feet,
Speaker 2: so he looked rattled for some time inside fifty at
Speaker 2: the stoppage. A couple of minutes later he kicked the goal.
Speaker 2: That doesn't clear him of anything. You can have.
Speaker 1: Time to get your senses back. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so he kicked the goal, an important goal and
Speaker 2: it was like five six minutes later of real time
Speaker 2: that the doctor came and said, look, you got to
Speaker 2: get off the field. He passed his Hia played the
Speaker 2: rest of the match and got interviewed post match and
Speaker 2: said like, oh no, I'm fine, Like sometimes you're a
Speaker 2: bit dazed after getting your head smashed in, but he
Speaker 2: passed his concussions. So more about this that it was
Speaker 2: it opened up some more issues, which this is good.
Speaker 2: We can learn from these issues each time. But it
Speaker 2: was that the doctor was down seeing to Blake Acres,
Speaker 2: who was injured at the time, and because of that
Speaker 2: there was a delay because the doctor was busy. Obviously
Speaker 2: he couldn't see that Harry mccla was going through some dramas.
Speaker 2: So that's one thing, Like I don't know how to
Speaker 2: get around that.
Speaker 1: Do you have any suggestions. We have two doctors at
Speaker 1: the clubs, so maybe there was another doctor watching the ground.
Speaker 1: Not too sure how that doll was kind of situated out,
Speaker 1: but like you can imagine, yes, if you're downstairs attending
Speaker 1: to someone that's injured, it's tough to also be watching
Speaker 1: the game that is upstairs going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're led to believe that there is a
Speaker 2: doctor in the arc.
Speaker 1: Led to believe you really worded that.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, we're led to believe because if there were
Speaker 2: ever a case that the doctor in the arc should
Speaker 2: be doing, his job would be to get the message
Speaker 2: down there to say that Harry McCain is to come
Speaker 2: from the field at that point in time.
Speaker 1: This is something we've talked about on the podcast. We
Speaker 1: should be taking that out of the arms of the
Speaker 1: clubs and putting it into the AFL's hands. Have a
Speaker 1: doctor looking at the arc, have a doctor on the sideline,
Speaker 1: having the TV there to be able to go through
Speaker 1: every single entry or hit whoever it is, and be
Speaker 1: able to make that decision of whether you have to
Speaker 1: go do hia downstairs.
Speaker 2: And because there was even too much of a lag
Speaker 2: time when the doctor came out, he had to get
Speaker 2: caught up look through the vision over and over and over,
Speaker 2: and it was like within three seconds of the incident occurring,
Speaker 2: a million people watching at home knew that he was
Speaker 2: in trouble and needed to come from the ground. All
Speaker 2: the commentators were saying it me and my housemate on
Speaker 2: the couch. So like, if we're figuring that out, if
Speaker 2: we're figuring that out. Surely a doctor or someone from
Speaker 2: the club should be like, get him from the ground.
Speaker 2: And now apparently he knocked back a runner, so it
Speaker 2: starts to get gray and gray. This is why we
Speaker 2: need the communication to the umpires to say stop the game,
Speaker 2: get Harry off. He's in a bit of trouble. But
Speaker 2: the umpire just has to stand there and wait for
Speaker 2: him to stand back up and then just bounces the
Speaker 2: ball and player continues on.
Speaker 3: Now ask you this.
Speaker 1: Do you ever find it weird whenever someone gets injured, right,
Speaker 1: you have to still go through the gates like on
Speaker 1: the sideline. Yeah, do you think if someone gets injured
Speaker 1: in the game stop you can just kind of walk
Speaker 1: off to the side of the sideline. That's like they're
Speaker 1: the closest to the race or whatever. Like, why is
Speaker 1: it you always have to come back to the middle
Speaker 1: to get back to the bench to then go down
Speaker 1: under the rooms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a good point.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I just had the start
Speaker 1: in my head goes, oh, you want to hurry up
Speaker 1: the game and get it going quicker. Oh, just pull
Speaker 1: them off the field right there next to.
Speaker 2: The boundary without thinking about it. You always change one
Speaker 2: thing and clubs find a loophole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: So this is the Loophole Podcast. But like if you're
Speaker 2: going off on a stretcher, you don't go through the gates,
Speaker 2: you go straight down the rooms. So it depends on
Speaker 2: the severity. So I don't know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: open up more loopholes. But this, you know what we've
Speaker 2: been talking about for weeks on weeks on weeks, We've
Speaker 2: landed at this. The AFL has issued three please explains
Speaker 2: from the weekend to Adelaide for Jordan Dawson's head knocked,
Speaker 2: to Brede it's been for Harris Andrews, and to Carlton
Speaker 2: for Harry McKay. So Carlton have already come out and
Speaker 2: said that they ran another concussion test with Harry this
Speaker 2: morning and he passed that.
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, we're.
Speaker 2: Getting more please explains, We're getting more gray areas, We're
Speaker 2: getting more loopholes.
Speaker 3: It's it's just more fun sucking for mine.
Speaker 1: I just hold on, there's nine games over the weekend,
Speaker 1: and three of the nine games you're asking for, please explain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: surely you can just go. Look, we're going to take
Speaker 1: control of this.
Speaker 2: You know what's great that we're now we're substituting. Please
Speaker 2: explains for concussion head knocks with We need to explain
Speaker 2: these umpire decisions. It's been a it's been a terrible.
Speaker 1: Year for just going on in there the AFL. They've
Speaker 1: always got some headline of something happenings. That's part of it.
Speaker 1: It's the merry go round of the media storm that
Speaker 1: is Melbourne.
Speaker 2: But we're not done there because we we just want
Speaker 2: to make it as depressing as possible. Because TDK positive
Speaker 2: at some point though. TDK came off early in the game.
Speaker 2: It's a foot injury. They took him down, assessed him,
Speaker 2: wrapped him back up, and send him back out there
Speaker 2: because obviously they didn't have pitt in neet because pitt
Speaker 2: in A, as you like to say, was down an
Speaker 2: icon Pa playing against Mace, So we had to get
Speaker 2: TDK back out there. Well, it turns out he's got
Speaker 2: a fractured foot. You probably don't want to play on that.
Speaker 2: That's not and late in the game he collapsed his lungs. Oh,
Speaker 2: she isn't not a fun one to give.
Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those Murphy laws. Murphy's law
Speaker 1: I think it is where it's like anything that will happen,
Speaker 1: or anything that could happen will happen like that.
Speaker 3: It's just like the worst shit happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just everything happens.
Speaker 3: A Braindon's law, bad shit happens all the time.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so TDK reportedly going to miss the rest
Speaker 2: of the home and away season for them too. I
Speaker 2: think that's still being quite conservative. Now, if he comes back,
Speaker 2: how late would you let someone come back from a
Speaker 2: broken foot and punctured law man?
Speaker 1: If he wasn't so valuable during the season, it'd probably
Speaker 1: be a bit of a question mark. But I think
Speaker 1: because he was such an important fixture and they're push
Speaker 1: towards finals, I think he automatically goes back out.
Speaker 3: So pitt neet playing well, a pre.
Speaker 1: Limp plays well, I reckon they do two rocks. But
Speaker 1: him playing the VFL right now is like at this
Speaker 1: time of the year is never an easy thing to
Speaker 1: do and it's not a good sign for like, you
Speaker 1: want to be in that team going into finals. So
Speaker 1: it's a massive opportunity and you know, chance for him
Speaker 1: to be able to show what he's worth and be
Speaker 1: a part of a you know, hopefully a finals run
Speaker 1: for Carlton. So we'll see how it pans out. But
Speaker 1: I can't imagine if you have a healthy TDK and
Speaker 1: not going to go with them. I just like space
Speaker 1: for him. You just yeah, and there's yeah. TDK is.
Speaker 1: It's a nice name, isn't it. It just rolls off
Speaker 1: the tongue, really nice.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of like nineteen nineties cassette tapes TDK
Speaker 2: audio sound something something.
Speaker 1: Geez, the gigy news really coming out? Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the next thing. Zach Butters, your boy,
Speaker 1: Your boy is statistically chained the game, change the game.
Speaker 1: He's officially the most defined player in AFL history at
Speaker 1: thirty two thousand, two hundred and fifty dollars. You kidding me,
Speaker 1: that's wild.
Speaker 2: That's so much stuff you could I always say, that's
Speaker 2: a lot of TV's.
Speaker 1: That's you probably buy. You can buy cars. A nice car,
Speaker 1: a nice car, Yeah yeah, thirty get you a nice car,
Speaker 1: hot top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can probably get the hot tubsaw on a combo.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean an ice bath get thrown there? Who
Speaker 1: knows that's a full recovery. Loune, what are you?
Speaker 2: Thirty two grand? A holiday that's a massive holiday.
Speaker 1: That's business class holiday night. That is proper traveling. That
Speaker 1: is proper traveling. But you know what also is it's
Speaker 1: a nice end of the year Christmas party for the
Speaker 1: AFL is what that is?
Speaker 3: App it's just a long lunch for the execs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It's actually probably paying for their overseas
Speaker 1: travel at the end of the sea. And actually, now
Speaker 1: put those two and two together. But thirty two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars two and fifty sorry, thirty two two hundred fifty
Speaker 1: dollars is a lot of cash, unfortunately for Zach Butters.
Speaker 1: But I can imagine he's on a fair bit of
Speaker 1: coin that that doesn't break the pain. Too old bank again,
Speaker 1: I think if it was a bigger dent, he probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't be having that much funds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, looking at Kenny, he probably wants to dnt
Speaker 2: his head in because he just keeps doing it. He's
Speaker 2: been guilty sixteen occasions in one hundred and eleven games.
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of fins to go.
Speaker 1: Urkon geez, what the hell's his name from? G WS?
Speaker 1: Toby Green. They were exciting to give it to me,
Speaker 1: green boy, You reckon he's a better he's got fined more.
Speaker 1: He hasn't got fine more.
Speaker 2: Because he overtook Toby Green to be number.
Speaker 1: One, so Toby was too, he was he was number
Speaker 1: one nose too. Yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense because
Speaker 1: I was about say, I feel like thirty two grand
Speaker 1: Toby's probably close to that.
Speaker 3: Toby Green has also played a lot more footy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he's kind of calmed down. You know.
Speaker 1: The other big thing was like I was using the
Speaker 1: cleats in the back of the head and stuff, and
Speaker 1: that was real and they kind of went after him
Speaker 1: for that. You know.
Speaker 2: That's what I like about Toby Green, Like he's he's
Speaker 2: a trailblazer for fines. He was getting fines and suspensions
Speaker 2: and changing rules and stuff just based on pure creativity.
Speaker 2: He found like an artistic craft in getting fined and suspended,
Speaker 2: whereas Zach Butters is just a bit of a like
Speaker 2: a US off ball, a little little gut punch or
Speaker 2: whatever he pushed over an umpire or whatever.
Speaker 1: We touched on pire, which is not allowed allow't. But
Speaker 1: let's move on to the big winners.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to say Friday Night footy because I
Speaker 2: did not have that one up there as a spectacle
Speaker 2: that ended up being I'm talking about Esmon versus Adelaide,
Speaker 2: absolute classic, thirty four goals scoredlle the game a winner,
Speaker 2: game winner in traffic, and it was a beautiful kig.
Speaker 3: I don't know how it.
Speaker 1: Didn't get touched, bounced through, just it was so quick snap,
Speaker 1: like just absolute goal sense for what was happening. Just
Speaker 1: miraculously with like less than two minutes left, you know,
Speaker 1: snaps that goal and actually gets him over the line.
Speaker 1: And it was a back and forth game the whole time.
Speaker 1: And it was one of the best games I've probably
Speaker 1: seen all year because there was the whole drama right
Speaker 1: of Vesta in last year, with you know them diving
Speaker 1: on the ball at the very end and the question
Speaker 1: marks of whether or not it was you know, a
Speaker 1: free kick or not, and you know, you see big
Speaker 1: texts going off at the umpire at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. What the hell the whole and Adelaide finally
Speaker 1: got a little bit of revenge now from asson game
Speaker 1: and over the weekend they'd be pretty happy with that.
Speaker 2: And there was some impressive performances over the weekend, but
Speaker 2: it's hard to go past ben Key's game. So he
Speaker 2: kicked five goals, which is pretty good in a game
Speaker 2: that came down to a couple of points. But he
Speaker 2: set up everything. He had twenty two disposal of his
Speaker 2: twelve score involvements, two goal assists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: He set up the last goal of the game, to
Speaker 1: his clearance from stapage to get to Rochelle to be
Speaker 1: able to snap goal was all him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if he wasn't kicking them, he was kicking them
Speaker 2: to the blokes that were kicking them. His partner in
Speaker 2: crime Fog Darcy Fogg, that he kicked four goals, some
Speaker 2: really cool ones got the one to kick, like snap
Speaker 2: from forty or whatever. But there was an incident for
Speaker 2: ben Keyes that we touched on on the intro that
Speaker 2: he got I thought he was going to get done
Speaker 2: because last week two blokes got done for three weeks
Speaker 2: and then got off on technicalities. But he tackled Jai Caldwell,
Speaker 2: kind of pinned an arm and Gay hit his head
Speaker 2: on the ground, came off to be assessed, ended up
Speaker 2: missing with ribs. Subbed out of the game, and I
Speaker 2: just think that would have been the most nervous weight
Speaker 2: over the time it took to get the decision, because
Speaker 2: you would have no idea if you're going to get
Speaker 2: done for that. But Michael Christian from the MRO did
Speaker 2: come out and say that Caldwell gathers as a loose
Speaker 2: ball following a boundary throw in and he's tackled by
Speaker 2: Keys with his right arm. Caldwell is able to get
Speaker 2: his left arm down to protect his fall and reduce
Speaker 2: the force of impact. It is the view of the
Speaker 2: MRO that Keys exercise the duty of care in executing
Speaker 2: the tackle.
Speaker 3: Now, I think that's a load of horseshit.
Speaker 1: Because that man, Michael Christian's son was playing with me
Speaker 1: in the VFL over the weekend. Don't talk too bad
Speaker 1: about he was in the rooms.
Speaker 3: I used to switch a show with Michael Christian.
Speaker 2: He was the talent. We talked every week. I love
Speaker 2: Chris so but I think this is getting ridiculous and
Speaker 2: that's gonna get so much more confusing because now we
Speaker 2: were doing blokes for that a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: You pin an arm, they hit their head, you're done.
Speaker 2: So now if they're holding the ball, do they drop
Speaker 2: the ball to protect themselves? Is that that player's duty
Speaker 2: of care or is it the tackler's duty of care
Speaker 2: if they have an arm free, why they and don't
Speaker 2: have the ball? Why they're getting tackled? So like, it
Speaker 2: doesn't make any This is where I'm getting at. This
Speaker 2: whole thing is cooked and I'm just getting that close
Speaker 2: to hate.
Speaker 1: And watching it. Yeah, because I.
Speaker 2: Have always said that people are overreacting when it comes
Speaker 2: to oh, the rules are like changing, times are changing, and.
Speaker 1: There's been a big microscope on I think the AFL
Speaker 1: and adjudication over the last few years.
Speaker 2: I will say that, yeah, but I don't think it's
Speaker 2: helping when like Andrew Dylon comes out and says, like
Speaker 2: the umpiring and the officiating is in the.
Speaker 1: Best spot it's ever been.
Speaker 2: That is being condescending to your followers, your fans. There's
Speaker 2: so many contradicting things, and yeah, for the longest time,
Speaker 2: I will say it again that I've been very anti
Speaker 2: all the people that are like, oh, this is ruining
Speaker 2: our game because we need to change, and we do.
Speaker 2: We are one hundred percent need to change. But I'm
Speaker 2: there's never been more joy sucked out of watching footy for.
Speaker 1: Me at the moment.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's necessarily like the changes, the
Speaker 2: like interpretations or whatever. It's just the clarity. They don't
Speaker 2: come out one week and say one thing, then the
Speaker 2: next week say the other thing, and then come out
Speaker 2: and say we're ticking off on everything. They ticked off
Speaker 2: on Jeremy Cameron smashing his head. No one came and
Speaker 2: got him off. He played it out, and then he
Speaker 2: gets delayed concussion, and then we tick off the whole
Speaker 2: process just to just absolutely confuse the whole lot. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm hoping they we.
Speaker 1: Get the finals.
Speaker 2: We get the big dogs in now I'm the best
Speaker 2: of the best, umpires umpire finals, we have a really
Speaker 2: fun final series. We forget about it for a bit,
Speaker 2: but over the summer they need to get to work
Speaker 2: and figure out how to fix it and then how
Speaker 2: to communicate it with absolute clarity. So all the fans,
Speaker 2: all the players, all the coaches from across the league,
Speaker 2: and everyone under that, because all the coaches from juniors
Speaker 2: have no idea what the hell's going on?
Speaker 1: Like, how do you tell them?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, no, They're like Charlie Cameron's out there playing
Speaker 2: this week. He was guilty and he still is guilty.
Speaker 2: But there was a technicality in the anyway, little Jimmy,
Speaker 2: you're missing three weeks, Like how do you tell a kid.
Speaker 1: That it's stupid?
Speaker 2: But just fix it and then we'll come back next year.
Speaker 2: I think get revved up again.
Speaker 1: They come up with that. They've got the kind of
Speaker 1: a grid system of kind of how you know, high contact,
Speaker 1: intentional not intentional, all these kind of things, right, and
Speaker 1: they've got that grid system. I think they just need
Speaker 1: to figure out a more detailed way of doing it
Speaker 1: and then just be ruthless on it and go okay, yes,
Speaker 1: there's going to be some that might be opinionated say
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, you kind of got high, but like
Speaker 1: you didn't protect him at wherever it is, and it's
Speaker 1: unfortunate that player is going to get fined or that
Speaker 1: players get suspended. But you know, this is just the
Speaker 1: way to keep us in structural integrity around the way
Speaker 1: we're going to adjudicate things. And sometimes it's not going
Speaker 1: to fall your way. Sometimes it might, but this is
Speaker 1: the law of the land of what we're going to do.
Speaker 1: Keep by Yeah, i'd.
Speaker 2: Rather absolute rigidness in the system, but clarity then it's
Speaker 2: kind of half rigid and then Gray area. So anyway,
Speaker 2: we'll move on through because we'll get stuck into that.
Speaker 2: That's as passionate as I'll get. We'll go to the
Speaker 2: Western Bulldogs versus Geelong game because this is we talk
Speaker 2: about big winners. And I did say Ben Keys was
Speaker 2: one of the biggest. I reckon one of the biggest performers.
Speaker 2: Adam Trelaw my goodness, leave some ball for someone else
Speaker 2: because he missed last week with he had calf awareness.
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, he's got two of us. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: said that.
Speaker 2: The last time he played through that he ended up
Speaker 2: doing his calf, so he's a little Gunshots came out
Speaker 2: thirty one touches, three goals, eight tackles, nine score involvements
Speaker 2: in an away game against Geelong and GMHBA is pretty
Speaker 2: dumb impressive, wet weather.
Speaker 1: It's so impressive.
Speaker 2: We talk about other players that you know contributed. Ed
Speaker 2: Richards twenty nine, two goals, nine clearances. That's a contribution.
Speaker 2: That's a good We had Rory lob who's just like
Speaker 2: weeks and weeks it's well in the back line. This
Speaker 2: is yeah, he went out there and just shut shut down.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Cameron, like.
Speaker 1: I Reckon.
Speaker 3: People were like, you keep.
Speaker 2: Him to four goals, it's pretty good, like three four
Speaker 2: goals too, like he's yeah, did a great job on him.
Speaker 1: And then hugle Hagen came out again. He's the man
Speaker 1: at the moment.
Speaker 2: Four goals some cracking goals to look dominant. So the
Speaker 2: Bulldogs are up and about. I feel like they've timed
Speaker 2: it well. They're peeking at the right time of year.
Speaker 2: They've beaten some decent teams. It's not just like pushovers,
Speaker 2: so that now they're just getting that consistency and then
Speaker 2: who knows if they can wherever they land on the ladder,
Speaker 2: they're definitely going to be able to shake it up.
Speaker 1: They finished, Oh guarantee huge, lock it in, ye, lock
Speaker 1: it in.
Speaker 2: I feel like the ladder, why we're making big claims
Speaker 2: the ladder at the moment or throw it is the
Speaker 2: most fraudulent ladder of all time that I can remember,
Speaker 2: Like my goodness.
Speaker 1: So much of it is going to be your momentum
Speaker 1: going into finals and how that's panning out, rather than
Speaker 1: if you sit first, eighth, seventh, sixth, fifth, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's going to be teams that are
Speaker 2: like in momentum swings at the moment. There's teams outside
Speaker 2: of the eight that are playing better than teams inside
Speaker 2: the eight. There's teams like Hawthorne that are on like
Speaker 2: a nine out of eleven win streak or something crazy,
Speaker 2: and they're sitting outside the eight with a slim chance
Speaker 2: to make it. When you've got other teams like Essendon,
Speaker 2: you've got to be winning that if you want to
Speaker 2: be playing finals. So it's every team is stumbling like
Speaker 2: hard free massive dominant win this week. Last week they
Speaker 2: fumbled the bag and could have been second. So it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's just happening week on week.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get into that freol games. It was a
Speaker 1: demolition out there in the west. Shout out to the
Speaker 1: Frio Jumpers, by the way, Starlight Starlet Foundation, very cool
Speaker 1: jumper got to shout that one out. But Melbourne didn't
Speaker 1: have a rock. Mexican's still not in the team, still
Speaker 1: injured at the moment.
Speaker 2: But that wouldn't have mattered because rocks aren't important, right,
Speaker 2: that's such If people keep telling me, but they got smashed.
Speaker 1: Without a rock, loll did they.
Speaker 2: They would have won. Melbourne would have won center clearance though,
Speaker 2: right you would have thought so, right, it was absolutely demolition.
Speaker 2: So that Ford's obviously you look at the scoreboard and
Speaker 2: Frero's Ford's got the job done. Walter's for Jai Amos,
Speaker 2: who's a he's a young bloke, he's twenty years old,
Speaker 2: and everyone keeps saying like giving him shit for missing
Speaker 2: or whatever. He kicked four straight on the weekend, but
Speaker 2: he's also only twenty years old. Dick Tracy our boy
Speaker 2: three goals and Sturt kick three as well. But that's
Speaker 2: you know, that's all doable when there's an absolute demolition
Speaker 2: going on in the in the middle and they're just
Speaker 2: walking it out of there because it was forty seven
Speaker 2: to nine in the hitouts.
Speaker 1: That's rough forty seven hit out to nine, and that
Speaker 1: was forty seven clearances to sixteen. Oh my lord, forty
Speaker 1: seven to sixteen. You're just getting the ball just jamm
Speaker 1: down your throat and the forward line at that point.
Speaker 2: Wow, seventeen to eight out of the center and then
Speaker 2: just didn't seem to be much hesitation from you know,
Speaker 2: the midfield normally like oh we got a half defend,
Speaker 2: half attack, you got to get the balance right. They
Speaker 2: look confident enough to be like we're winning all of.
Speaker 1: These We're hitting everything forward.
Speaker 2: That must be the scariest thing if you're the midfield,
Speaker 2: because you're just like, oh my god, I just got.
Speaker 1: To just hang it on to your plate, please, just.
Speaker 2: Trying to grab them early, but the wrong thirty six
Speaker 2: a goal, Young, twenty eight eight clearances, a couple of misses,
Speaker 2: Brayshaw forty one disposals. So they're the main ball getters
Speaker 2: and they're just walking it out of there. A bit
Speaker 2: of sad news for Freo is Alex Pierce. Although he
Speaker 2: did sport a really cool arm cover guard. I'm going
Speaker 2: I'm it's like a purple one. It looks sick. He
Speaker 2: looked like a power Ranger. That's what the power Rangers where.
Speaker 2: There's anyway he's not a power Ranger. He got a
Speaker 2: heavy knock and had to come from the field and
Speaker 2: he was subbed out.
Speaker 3: Hopefully it's more.
Speaker 1: Of a precaution because they were up like fifty points
Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, it's always tough to see someone
Speaker 1: get injured and never you've got the game kind of
Speaker 1: already done and.
Speaker 3: Just it runs Peers like.
Speaker 1: I was a super fan of him. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: nice guy.
Speaker 2: Speaks super polite, and it was like last year he
Speaker 2: was going through those form patches as captain and I
Speaker 2: had to, you know, navigate through that.
Speaker 1: So it's cool seeing him out there.
Speaker 2: We'll go on to Port and Kenny and they are
Speaker 2: fighting because they're gonna I feel like they're going to
Speaker 2: scrape into this final series and hopefully they can do
Speaker 2: some damage. But I just I just hope they make
Speaker 2: it because Kenny was you know, half these teams were
Speaker 2: given the sack. Another shout out to Chris Fager. Yeah,
Speaker 2: wouldn't you just be strutting out there saying kiss my
Speaker 2: ring because.
Speaker 1: His name was up and those those comments around which
Speaker 1: coaches should go At the very beginning of the year,
Speaker 1: they were talking about sagging him. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: he just made a grant and final last year.
Speaker 2: Chris got in too, like coaches like mate, he's he's
Speaker 2: coaching coaching.
Speaker 1: I love it when those things come up. Who does this?
Speaker 2: Well, there's another story because they're saying Kenny is going
Speaker 2: to go to West Coast, he's the number one man
Speaker 2: for the job.
Speaker 1: She's West Coast desperate to figure out who the next
Speaker 1: coach is going to be. Dean Cox's big question Mark.
Speaker 1: Throughout the week, he's officially said, Nat, I'm good, thanks,
Speaker 1: so staying in Sydney. Sydney really it's not bade Reckon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brodie Grundy is your rock man. You're gonna look pretty good.
Speaker 1: But now Kenny, Yeah, reported for the West Coast job.
Speaker 1: I don't know how this kind of works. It's probably
Speaker 1: one of those things where he's like going, Okay, we'll
Speaker 1: wait and see kind of what happens at the end
Speaker 1: of the year, what the board or whoever it is
Speaker 1: that makes these decisions, you know, goes about it, and
Speaker 1: then if you know, if it's on the lesser side,
Speaker 1: you might go, Okay, this is a obviously a job
Speaker 1: and if I don't have a job, So hopefully that
Speaker 1: doesn't get to that point. I'm big Kenny fan. Obviously
Speaker 1: everyone knows this on the on the podcast Big Kinny Fan,
Speaker 1: the Kenny Jig after they get the wins. But we're
Speaker 1: hoping that he signs a twenty year contract, you know,
Speaker 1: a ten million year and you know, continues to port
Speaker 1: Adelaide for us his life. That's that's that's what we're
Speaker 1: hoping for. And we're not asking for much really, but
Speaker 1: I'm a mixed bag. I don't know if he if.
Speaker 2: I hope for that because that's twenty years at torture
Speaker 2: Koshi telling you that you're going to get the sack
Speaker 2: every week.
Speaker 1: The CEO president, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's probably camping down in his front yard. Probably sends
Speaker 2: him mail. But you know that he can handle the
Speaker 2: scrutiny of West Coast. That's another thing, mate. Maybe maybe
Speaker 2: take a job with less stress. I don't know, Like
Speaker 2: who would want it. You're getting potted by your own
Speaker 2: fans coming off the field a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Now you're a chance to go to West Coast. That's
Speaker 2: probably the most scrutinized team in the comp outside of Collingwood.
Speaker 2: But he was He did spray the midfielders even though
Speaker 2: they were up and about and winning, and I think
Speaker 2: they came out. Connor Rosey said an interview that it
Speaker 2: was for defensive pressure.
Speaker 1: So okay, keep it never comes to pressure and it
Speaker 1: just line a bit of a fire and room and
Speaker 1: keep going.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the big losers. We love talking about
Speaker 2: depressing shit, so let's get into it. We talk about Essendon,
Speaker 2: because oh my goodness, it was a great game.
Speaker 3: But a bad loss for Essendon.
Speaker 2: They got a bit of a mixed bag on the
Speaker 2: run home a couple of reals I think their first
Speaker 2: Brisbane and Sydney in the last two rounds, so they
Speaker 2: want to get all the wins that they can to
Speaker 2: make that final spot.
Speaker 1: I did want to ask.
Speaker 2: You going in like I like to predetermine what is
Speaker 2: a pass mark going into the season, and then anything.
Speaker 1: Above that is a win.
Speaker 2: People readjust their expectations mid season and then get pissed
Speaker 2: off when it doesn't doesn't keep going up. So is
Speaker 2: it a failure if Essendon doesn't win a final this year?
Speaker 1: I think it's I don't think it's a failure. I
Speaker 1: think them making finals in general is a step up
Speaker 1: from last year obviously, so you're hit in the right direction.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a pass mark. Them making finals.
Speaker 1: Then winning a final is static. Right As a supporter base,
Speaker 1: you've been waiting for a very long time for that
Speaker 1: to happen. And believe me, if that were to happen,
Speaker 1: I think you look at the coaching staff and everything else,
Speaker 1: you're okay, They're going to be around for quite a
Speaker 1: few years, right. We have a bit of faith in
Speaker 1: this team to be able to go forward. But as
Speaker 1: we saw with Aston and they made these big trades
Speaker 1: in the off season to try to bring these people in,
Speaker 1: bring this experience, and to try to get the finals
Speaker 1: and make that first win at least, right, So I
Speaker 1: think the way they looked at their offseason, the way
Speaker 1: they targeted these players, your past and fell Mark, I
Speaker 1: think for them is probably finals. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think either way.
Speaker 2: For me, you look at the team and you're like,
Speaker 2: I would be happy as a fan because one, the
Speaker 2: communication has been clear from the start.
Speaker 1: I think they got in.
Speaker 2: A few players in trade period to like bridge some
Speaker 2: gaps and like prop up some stuff. But I think
Speaker 2: you can look at the team and go like, Okay,
Speaker 2: they're going to be good. Yeah, Like they've got some
Speaker 2: they've got some bones, they've got they can be good.
Speaker 2: They can be a good team. You have some confidence.
Speaker 2: You just want some confidence in your team, because I
Speaker 2: feel for Essendon fans then just like we've been running
Speaker 2: around with like without a head for years. So it's
Speaker 2: good to have some direction.
Speaker 1: Wow, actually, go bring this up. I saw Zach Merritt
Speaker 1: was driving like a quarter or a half a million
Speaker 1: dollar Lamborghini around just casually. I don't know what kind
Speaker 1: of accounting's going on over there. What the hard or
Speaker 1: soft cap is it? Yesinon, But g's the ways a
Speaker 1: car that's that expensive. I have no idea what his
Speaker 1: family does and what he does outside of football. Dome
Speaker 1: wants to take it as you want. But that is
Speaker 1: a sexy car to be driving around as a football player,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah, what do you drive? I drive
Speaker 1: a beautiful Toyota land Cruiser Prano.
Speaker 3: Sir see, because that makes sense you travel around?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to get out, like two things right,
Speaker 1: it's a utility vehicle.
Speaker 2: You can't take that Porsche down the forest and go camping.
Speaker 1: The weird thing is these Range Rover commercials are always it,
Speaker 1: you know, going over hills and mountains everything else. I'm like,
Speaker 1: when was the last time you saw range in the
Speaker 1: city outside of picking up the kids from soccer practice.
Speaker 1: Come on, let's be real. I would love to have
Speaker 1: your Raine driver, a sun sorry, we we loved here,
Speaker 1: or Lamborghini. Let's be honest here.
Speaker 2: Datson, Datson's out there, We'll take a couple of those.
Speaker 2: We'll go straight into the Gold Coast game. Because I
Speaker 2: at this point we need to say, Okay, pause, let's
Speaker 2: just get a win on the road. We need to
Speaker 2: just I don't we just need to get a win
Speaker 2: on the road, because surely now it's in their heads.
Speaker 1: It's obviously it's been publicly stated for the last ten weeks.
Speaker 1: I feel like the fact that they can't win on
Speaker 1: the road, and they've lost again over the weekend, so
Speaker 1: it's it's for sure something that plays on your mind.
Speaker 1: But it takes is one win and then everyone shuts
Speaker 1: the hell up about it and that's done and you
Speaker 1: move on and you can just win as many as
Speaker 1: you won on the road, because that's what I think.
Speaker 2: Like the GWS game, they won the inside fifties sixty
Speaker 2: six to forty seven, so they had a what nineteen
Speaker 2: more inside fifties fair advantage.
Speaker 1: I'd saying that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like unfortunately the key Ford missed all seven shots ago,
Speaker 2: but like I think that's more get out of your head.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, go on a holiday, But
Speaker 2: you live on.
Speaker 1: The Gold Coast, so you live in a holiday.
Speaker 3: You live in a holiday.
Speaker 1: Just have a breath.
Speaker 2: You got to go to West Coast and take on
Speaker 2: the Eagles round twenty one and then you get Richmond
Speaker 2: round twenty four.
Speaker 3: That's your last chance.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you got to sit on that for the whole
Speaker 2: off season until next year.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna win an away game.
Speaker 2: This year, boys, I got a good feeling.
Speaker 1: Did we do those training sessions where they got the
Speaker 1: speakers and the loud speakers going and it's just the
Speaker 1: audience noise of you can't hear each other. That's how
Speaker 1: they maybe need to train.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's just going to be dimmer standing
Speaker 2: on the sideline going if you don't win a bloody
Speaker 2: away again. No cancel in the off season, no Christmas.
Speaker 1: Party, no Christmas party. But let's jump into Geelong.
Speaker 2: I just want to say it seems like Geelong's GMHBA
Speaker 2: streak is gone. It's no longer a fortress for Geelong.
Speaker 2: They're four and three this year. Before this was that
Speaker 2: the hardest away trip in footy.
Speaker 1: You're asking a person that's really never played there because
Speaker 1: we never have to fair? Yeah, is that unfair?
Speaker 3: That's not bringing that up.
Speaker 2: You guys never play Geelong and you never play.
Speaker 1: Plays at the MCG because they want the money from
Speaker 1: the game. That's the reason they play there. So the
Speaker 1: geelong fans that get upset and complain about it, or
Speaker 1: if you if you didn't have a club that was
Speaker 1: greedy about making money, you wouldn't have the issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's very simple.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to, if you want to have
Speaker 1: an advantage playing at home, take the pay cut. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not many people want to do that, though. I will
Speaker 1: say this though, their ground over the weekend they had
Speaker 1: a little curtain raiser. I think it was the VFL
Speaker 1: was playing there before maybe and they it was raining
Speaker 1: and they tore that ground up. I was looking at
Speaker 1: during the AFL game thinking this might be one of
Speaker 1: the worst grounds I've seen, Like it was a mud
Speaker 1: pit on the whole side of the field, Like it
Speaker 1: was just people slipping over and everything else. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: this is wild. This is absolutely wild to think that. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm playing in a VFL game in icon Park and
Speaker 1: it was ten times better than what that was. Yeah. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: that's a statement.
Speaker 2: Props to icon Park, but that's yeah, that's a rough one, because.
Speaker 1: A tough thing for the groundskeeper obviously to keep up
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: But do you play, you play, you can't play it
Speaker 2: after no one, not many people have been sticking around
Speaker 2: after the fact.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they tore the ground up before the game.
Speaker 1: You hear the commentary and stuff they talked about it
Speaker 1: of like the ground being pretty rough looking.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it would have poured rain all week and
Speaker 2: they train on that ground all week, so they run
Speaker 2: out their train on it all week and then you
Speaker 2: have the VFL game on there, then you have the
Speaker 2: AFL game on there, and when it's pouring rain.
Speaker 1: You can't doesn't do you any favorites.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to stand up now we talk
Speaker 2: about the biggest losers.
Speaker 1: Now this is let's just let's pull the band aid
Speaker 1: off bread and come on.
Speaker 2: Unfle But Collingwood was probably in the worst game of
Speaker 2: footy that I've seen them play in a decade.
Speaker 1: Come on, mate, it's it was rough.
Speaker 2: I've been there for around that time and I can
Speaker 2: only think of one in my time that I could
Speaker 2: think of, and it was round twenty three Brisbane twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking back to, and there's been
Speaker 2: some other ones in between, but we're talking real disasters.
Speaker 2: We can obviously bounce back from that. Finals is still
Speaker 2: a hope. It was just one of those days going
Speaker 2: Down big margin couldn't kick straight to save your life.
Speaker 2: We talk about we give Benny King a bit of
Speaker 2: a spray off the top and then it was I
Speaker 2: think one eleven, one twelve, so you got to be
Speaker 2: kicking those.
Speaker 3: It was a lot wetter.
Speaker 1: It was wetter, it was raining a game, it was
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Wetter, So conditions were miserable. But we will jump into
Speaker 2: it mixedday. We're a little shining right after the top.
Speaker 2: He's got his first goal back in the AFL team
Speaker 2: on the return and all the boys got around him.
Speaker 1: It would have been nice to see that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been obviously a long road that's been heavily documented with Down.
Speaker 1: He's you know, now stepping into that role of checkers
Speaker 1: out for the rest of the week or the rest
Speaker 1: of the year. He's now having to fill that role
Speaker 1: as our key forward and you know, doing his ACL
Speaker 1: back and hobviously it was December and now playing, you know,
Speaker 1: with four or five rounds left. It's pretty impressive. It's
Speaker 1: a you know, we've talked about before of a credit
Speaker 1: to you know, what he's been able to do during
Speaker 1: his rehab and how much time and effort he's put
Speaker 1: into it. Like it's something that is not the easiest
Speaker 1: thing to go through, especially with the long term injury
Speaker 1: like what he had. To see the light at the
Speaker 1: end of the tunnel sometimes seems like it's so far away.
Speaker 1: But to see him play on that day, you know,
Speaker 1: I meant so much to him. I'm sure it meant
Speaker 1: so much to his family and his friends and everything
Speaker 1: else that's involved too, to just see him back out
Speaker 1: there doing this thing. And I absolutely loved it. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, a beautiful moment him being able to be
Speaker 1: out there and it's unfortunately couldn't get the win for him,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think it was one positive light
Speaker 1: to you know, a bit of a rough weekend for
Speaker 1: the club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's about it for positives out of this one, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Mate.
Speaker 2: So we talk about Maynard. Brandon Maynard high fan non guinea.
Speaker 2: Probably the best decision the MRO has made in years.
Speaker 2: We love so He's a great bloke. No, I will say,
Speaker 2: I just with the fans, I feel like that's a
Speaker 2: unless it's you know, egregious. I think that they're really
Speaker 2: just in game free kicks.
Speaker 1: He free kicks to call.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're free kicks. I don't know about
Speaker 2: rubbing people out for those stuff. It still falls under
Speaker 2: the accident category, but at the same time they've been
Speaker 2: rubbing out accidents, so like, it's always hard to gauge
Speaker 2: what's going to go down there. But Brandon Maynard free
Speaker 2: to play did couple fine. So now we talk about
Speaker 2: the big story out of this one. Jack Ginnovan playing
Speaker 2: the game of his life thirty one disposals, two goals.
Speaker 2: He was giving it to the cheer squad with the
Speaker 2: sleep he had celebration Scalore taking a photo with the
Speaker 2: boys after the game, really looking like he's enjoying his
Speaker 2: time at Hawthorne and kind of running this little rat
Speaker 2: pack that they have down there. How did you break
Speaker 2: down guineas game? You well, watching for a little brief
Speaker 2: period down there out sidelines.
Speaker 1: The game the next day, so I had to go
Speaker 1: in halftime and go get proper for the VFL game
Speaker 1: on the next day. But Guinea credits only played really well.
Speaker 1: You know, people talk about his antics and stuff like
Speaker 1: that and what he does during the game with you know,
Speaker 1: whether it be fans or opposition. I feel like every
Speaker 1: time we play Hawthorn, Guiney obviously gets in a scuffle.
Speaker 1: If you were putting a bet on it and be
Speaker 1: a dollar one, that's going to happen. Anya, I'll give
Speaker 1: it to the crowd and like doing the celebrations and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's that's just him, right, that's his personality, that's his character,
Speaker 1: And as someone who's probably done all those things, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I can't really say, you know, that's terrible.
Speaker 1: How dare you do that? Whenever? You know it's a
Speaker 1: that's something I'll probably do every week. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's all part of the spectacle, right, you know,
Speaker 1: it's something we can talk about. It's something that adds
Speaker 1: entertainment to the game, whether it be you know, love
Speaker 1: or hatred for someone or whatever it may be. I
Speaker 1: think that just adds to the whole spectacle of what
Speaker 1: AFL is. So yeah, I don't I don't have an
Speaker 1: issue with it. I know some people will probably be
Speaker 1: upset about it or wherever it is, and that's because they,
Speaker 1: you know, heavily invested in these kind of things, which
Speaker 1: is great. But yeah, he played a hell of a
Speaker 1: game over the weekend. You go get creditre credits due
Speaker 1: and you know he played really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's no way. The Cheersquad wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been given it to him as well. He would
Speaker 2: have been copping Bronx cheers and stuff. So you can't
Speaker 2: read into that he's doing that stuff to all fans.
Speaker 2: He's doing it to immediate fans in his vicinity, and
Speaker 2: you know you can't. You got to be able to
Speaker 2: like cop it as well. So it's like we loved
Speaker 2: it when he did it for Collingwood. Now he's gone
Speaker 2: on to play for Hawthorne and you got to copy
Speaker 2: it when he takes it there, and it's just awesome
Speaker 2: to see the personality in the game.
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny.
Speaker 2: All the stuff that he was doing, it's pretty brutal,
Speaker 2: but he was loving it and he you know, he
Speaker 2: got the last laugh this time. Thirty one disposal of
Speaker 2: two goals. An amazing game and he was involved in everything.
Speaker 2: Talk about involved in everything. James Cicily, my god, he
Speaker 2: was injured last week, went forward kicked three goals to
Speaker 2: win the game for him. Now back down back. Thirty
Speaker 2: disposals and ten intercepts is crazy game.
Speaker 1: It's a big question marks. But then how he played
Speaker 1: forward back in this game and the fact that he
Speaker 1: went back there thirty spellss. Like you said in ten intercepts,
Speaker 1: you can understand why he plays in the back line, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a pretty damn good player, so you know, it's
Speaker 1: there's quite a few I think that we're up on
Speaker 1: probably their averages over the weekend, and Sicily is just
Speaker 1: one of those people. I think you look at whenever
Speaker 1: you see the team that's put in front of you
Speaker 1: and you almost circle his name, say, this is a
Speaker 1: man we need to shut down if we're going to
Speaker 1: be successful, because he has such an impact on games.
Speaker 1: Being able to turn the ball over and you know,
Speaker 1: vulnerable places and then then be able to bounce on
Speaker 1: that is something that they are able to do with
Speaker 1: him and the team. So yeah, three goals last week
Speaker 1: goes back ten intercepts this week. You can understand. It's
Speaker 1: a good problem to have either way, right, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: can play forward, he can play back. Just keep him
Speaker 1: in the team. Yeah, try to keep him healthy because
Speaker 1: he's had a few question marks in the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: So they can try to do that. Then I think
Speaker 1: it's a betterment for their whole team.
Speaker 2: And he wasn't absolutely bombarded with inside fifties, so Collingwood's
Speaker 2: poor defenders have to stand up under sixty nine, inside
Speaker 2: fifties to thirty seven.
Speaker 1: It's a fair avalanche.
Speaker 2: Now we talk about this because it's been brought up
Speaker 2: a million times, Collingwood's age profile.
Speaker 1: Oh here we go a go.
Speaker 3: Is Collingwood too old?
Speaker 1: This is just an easy story, isn't it just an
Speaker 1: easy click?
Speaker 2: I just I'm coming to again directly to one of
Speaker 2: the other ones, because we're because.
Speaker 1: We're celebrating guys they are playing three hundred fifty games
Speaker 1: or for Horner games, are going Oh wow, we're going
Speaker 1: to celebrate. We also got to bring it back down, right,
Speaker 1: don't we Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's grue let's do it. No,
Speaker 1: this is so typical the media. Yeah, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, we're a year older from last
Speaker 1: year and we won a Grand Final last year. It's
Speaker 1: funny how things completely change because you've lost a few games, right,
Speaker 1: But this is this is yeah, this is it. This
Speaker 1: is a something I could have predicted ten weeks ago,
Speaker 1: twenty weeks ago, whatever it is. It's just part of
Speaker 1: the cyclical nature of the media here because they're pretty lazy. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that's my crack for the week. But it's just the truth. No,
Speaker 1: I look at teams like look at Geelong. Huchelong is
Speaker 1: a perfect you know, explanation of you know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: can have a down year wherever it is, or things
Speaker 1: aren't going your way or whatever it may be. But
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't mean that you're just wash everyone out.
Speaker 1: You know, they've they've still got a strong team, still
Speaker 1: in finals contention this year, they're playing really well. Like
Speaker 1: I think that's one of those things you look at them,
Speaker 1: you say, look, it's as much as probably the media
Speaker 1: wants to make it all doom and gloom and find
Speaker 1: all these kind of things to try to crack and
Speaker 1: separate the group and all that. You know, we're not
Speaker 1: going to allow that affect us. You know, we understand
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of media on the outside, but
Speaker 1: never get inside the club. You know, we're going to
Speaker 1: focus on what we can control. As I say, control
Speaker 1: the controllables very very much a truthful statement. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this this whole age profile thing, I think it's a
Speaker 1: bit bit of BS, to be honest with you. I
Speaker 1: think we've got some very experienced people and I think
Speaker 1: last year we saw a lot of it in these
Speaker 1: close games of that experience helping us get over the
Speaker 1: line to win some of those games. It was able
Speaker 1: to propel some to the top four. So, you know,
Speaker 1: say what you want about it. It's an easy kind
Speaker 1: of clip. It's an easy kind of you know, storyline
Speaker 1: for them. But I don't think that's that's the end.
Speaker 2: I'll be all, yeah, it's yeah, because we've seen it
Speaker 2: so much over time. There's been multiple clips that have
Speaker 2: been lauded for their ability, like Geelong, like Sydney, like
Speaker 2: all these to you know, stay with the experience and
Speaker 2: the senior players and then that carries them through for
Speaker 2: finals for an extended period of time. And when it
Speaker 2: does work, people use it to promote you and pump
Speaker 2: you up and they've had down years. And then likewise,
Speaker 2: if you cut too deep and you go with all
Speaker 2: the kids and it doesn't work and you've been down
Speaker 2: the bottom of the ladder for years, then they have
Speaker 2: a crack at you're for being too young all the time,
Speaker 2: and it's yeah, it's just one of those ones that
Speaker 2: you can pick and choose either way. And I find
Speaker 2: that that's what this year, when I talk about how
Speaker 2: draining it's been, has been because no team has been
Speaker 2: really in constant good form all the time. So one
Speaker 2: team will have a cracking game one week and then
Speaker 2: a terrible game the next week, and they just can't
Speaker 2: pick it. So they keep saying, jeezus, this team's great,
Speaker 2: this is what they did well, and this is why
Speaker 2: they're going to make finals and win the flag.
Speaker 3: And then next week they lose.
Speaker 2: Then they get no, no, no, they bury them, drag
Speaker 2: them through the mud. Oh, they're never gonna and then
Speaker 2: so so many opinions, and they've all been up and
Speaker 2: down and all over the place, and it just spins
Speaker 2: your head and it just drains it out of here.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I will ask this, though finals, you still
Speaker 2: think you're a chance of finals? Sitting down there thirtieth
Speaker 2: on the ladder, I.
Speaker 1: Think statistically, yeah, there's still a chance for finals. So
Speaker 1: we're going to have that. We're going to go and
Speaker 1: put that mindset in one game at a time. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got Richmond coming up this week and we're going
Speaker 1: to focus on that and then you know, try to
Speaker 1: just take one step in front of the other and
Speaker 1: then kind of work towards this towards the end of
Speaker 1: the year. But I don't think we'll be looking any
Speaker 1: further than the game in front of us. And you know,
Speaker 1: like we say, try to get better every single day
Speaker 1: whenever we're going to the club, and I think they'll
Speaker 1: put us in good stance for the future no matter
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to it's going to be interesting to
Speaker 2: see how it rolls out from here we move into
Speaker 2: the I just want to touch on this because people
Speaker 2: people brought up the fact that you were watching the
Speaker 2: game from the sidelines. They cut to a shot of
Speaker 2: you the rain and you had your hood on, you
Speaker 2: had your hood on and your fringe down, and people saying,
Speaker 2: it's it's the Emo.
Speaker 1: Mace is Emo, Mace back.
Speaker 2: Tonight will be the night that I will fall for you.
Speaker 1: Change must so much nailed it, freaking nailed it so.
Speaker 2: Much positivity your head at that moment. No, it's the Dido.
Speaker 2: My tears gone cold. I'm wondering wa got out of bed?
Speaker 2: It or the money and rain clouds up my windows
Speaker 2: and I can't see you, And that's us said.
Speaker 1: Where are you are you anyway?
Speaker 2: Let's we're just trying to be singers now. Jeez, wow,
Speaker 2: let's move over to your VFL return. We don't need
Speaker 2: any more on Emo Mace. We'll make some memes on that.
Speaker 2: Your VFL return. How was it out there at Icon
Speaker 2: Park against the Frenchman pitnee.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be playing a rock through Carlton's
Speaker 1: one side now with TDK going down, But no, it was.
Speaker 1: It was good. It was. It was nice to get
Speaker 1: back out there, run around, feel pretty confident in the
Speaker 1: knee and different kind of circumstances within the game, and
Speaker 1: be able to play out a full game like I
Speaker 1: hadn't done that for you know, two months now at least,
Speaker 1: and it's it's been a fair chuck between games. But
Speaker 1: it was nice to get back out there, feel normal,
Speaker 1: be able to kind of get into a full game
Speaker 1: and get into that exhaustion point of running around and
Speaker 1: playing a bit of rock and a bit of forward
Speaker 1: and just being around of football again, just kind of
Speaker 1: in a game sense, you know, I feel like I've
Speaker 1: really missed that over the last couple of months. So
Speaker 1: it was good. Unfortunately we didn't get to win over
Speaker 1: the weekend. It was it was a tough trot, just
Speaker 1: like the AFL team, but it was nice to be
Speaker 1: back out there and playing just normal football and you know,
Speaker 1: being able to feel like your body's back to you know,
Speaker 1: playing I don't even know how to put it back
Speaker 1: to playing fitness, right, it's probably the best way to
Speaker 1: put it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, and you can't really get that from just running laps.
Speaker 1: No, you can't. And there's not enough probably, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously the team's training and stuff, and we do kind
Speaker 1: of gameplay things along that line, but you're not getting
Speaker 1: a full game and a training session, right, So it's yeah,
Speaker 1: and you don't want players getting injured and stuff. You've
Speaker 1: only got.
Speaker 2: About four or five players left on your list, so
Speaker 2: you need to wrap them up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was. It was good. It was beautiful
Speaker 1: day down there Icon Park. A lot better in GM
Speaker 1: HBI and now it was subtle, big, subtle big, But no,
Speaker 1: it was nice to get back. Nice to kind of
Speaker 1: feel normal and be able to play a full game.
Speaker 1: That's good. It's good to get a positivity for today.
Speaker 1: It's a been of a rough try for positivity on
Speaker 1: this pod. Get some good hit outs, get some good
Speaker 1: little center bounces. We had no idea. It's kind of funny, right,
Speaker 1: whenever you play VFL with another person who played AFL
Speaker 1: games against right. So I was playing Pitney over the
Speaker 1: weekend and you kind of have a chat during the game, right,
Speaker 1: like you obviously both don't want to be there. You
Speaker 1: want to be playing the AFL side, and you know,
Speaker 1: for different circumstances or whatever it may be. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you're sitting there at the center bounce and let's say
Speaker 1: there's been a few that's going on, a gone laughter,
Speaker 1: gone right, and it's a rebounce and you're kind of
Speaker 1: looking at each other. You just start laughing, thinking there's
Speaker 1: a maybe ten percent chances things could be a fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty ball, and yeah, not trying to have to
Speaker 1: go at the umpires here. And I just want to
Speaker 1: make that clear, but it is a laugh whenever you
Speaker 1: kind of have two very experienced people going up against
Speaker 1: each other, and you know you've obviously played against other
Speaker 1: quite a few times. You go, okay, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of funny the circumstances you're in and some of
Speaker 1: the conversations that had during the game.
Speaker 2: Speaking of funny, you had a set shot of goal.
Speaker 1: How'd that go? Not so good? The wind picked up
Speaker 1: and make the distance? Okay, good? Now, oh we got
Speaker 1: a nice laugh to let finish on there.
Speaker 2: We'll go through the previews for this week's games, because
Speaker 2: there's a couple of crackers in here, and we all
Speaker 2: know that they all matter this time of year. We
Speaker 2: got Carlton v. Port at Marvel Stadium. I don't think many.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Carlton fans just supremely irrationally confident
Speaker 2: or are they just are they getting a bit nervous
Speaker 2: now that they're not being super convincing last week?
Speaker 1: A give him that, but I wouldn't say they've been.
Speaker 2: Smashing teams North v Geelong in tazzy blunstone arena.
Speaker 1: Danger game game you luck lock it in. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say I'd be careful if I was a Geelong fan'd
Speaker 1: very careful.
Speaker 3: Here's your luck for sure.
Speaker 2: Gold Coast signs at home versus Brisbane peoples.
Speaker 1: That's the cock locker, baby, gold Coast don't lose a home,
Speaker 1: baby people first? Oh man, you serious serious? I'm serious.
Speaker 1: I cock locked that thing and I don't care if
Speaker 1: Brisbane beat the number one on the ladder last week.
Speaker 1: He gives a dang. It is gold Coast people first, Danny,
Speaker 1: and they don't lose their.
Speaker 2: I don't think we've had have we had a cock
Speaker 2: lock that's gone down all year. We've been remarkably so
Speaker 2: last week, didn't you you pick.
Speaker 1: Brizsy over Sydney. Yeah, and that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Right, Saint Kilda v S and In at Marvel.
Speaker 1: I'll do it. I still I'll do it. I'm backing
Speaker 1: in y had a good one. Just to pers some
Speaker 1: people are Melbourne v g w S at the Mighty
Speaker 1: mcg geez without a Rockman. I think they're valuable go
Speaker 1: g w S on this one. Valuable valuable, Yeah, Rockman
Speaker 1: are valuable. I'd say vulnerable, valuable, very different, very different.
Speaker 2: I will go I'll stick with g w S because
Speaker 2: once I said I'm sticking with them, they've they've done
Speaker 2: me well, they've been winning. Uh we'll go free O
Speaker 2: versus West Coast now free Oh fumble this bad this year.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to back them into like you know
Speaker 2: once bit and twice show once stuff up a game
Speaker 2: against West Coast you know you get it right free
Speaker 2: Oh win this one.
Speaker 1: Thump last week too, So I've got three I must
Speaker 1: say off.
Speaker 2: That's that's my cocklock. West Coast in the in the
Speaker 2: what do they call it the Derby Debby? Anyway, one
Speaker 2: of us will be right.
Speaker 3: Collingwood v.
Speaker 1: Richmond.
Speaker 3: Collingwood win this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got colling on the next one.
Speaker 2: Sydney versus Western Bulldogs at the SCG.
Speaker 1: My goodness, it's going to be a juicy game.
Speaker 3: I feel like juicy, juicy game.
Speaker 1: Can't Probably did get injured this week too, so there's
Speaker 1: a question mark around him playing. That could be a massive, massive,
Speaker 1: massive Nick.
Speaker 2: Blakey almost got murdered, but let's not talk about that
Speaker 2: because we've already talked about those incidents all episode.
Speaker 1: But that's a bit ridiculous. Sidney westn Bullocks. You got Sydney, Sidney,
Speaker 1: I've got them to I hope it's if it's close.
Speaker 2: I think that's fine for the Bulldogs, Like obviously you
Speaker 2: want the points and stuff, but it will give you
Speaker 2: the belief that you know you can you can take
Speaker 2: it to him.
Speaker 1: Adelaide v.
Speaker 2: Hawthorne at Adelaide Oval. I'm actually going Adelaide.
Speaker 1: I'm going Adelaide too. I hate to say, because Hawthorne's
Speaker 1: on a bit of a tear at the moment, but
Speaker 1: let Adelaide Oval. After the big win last week Againston,
Speaker 1: I think they've got a bit of confidence again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a strut about him and I love it.
Speaker 1: They kept saying to Nixie, are you reckon?
Speaker 2: You can knock off a couple of teams on the
Speaker 2: way home to finals just to like, you know, interrupt
Speaker 2: their finals campaign. It's like, where we're still a chance?
Speaker 1: Still, what are you talking about? We're going to make fun.
Speaker 3: I saw the stat's there one percent chance to make it.
Speaker 1: So you're saying there's a chance, there's a chance.
Speaker 2: So that's all we got this week.
Speaker 3: Come on, Adelaide.
Speaker 1: Oh let's go on and like get us up for
Speaker 1: your cocklock cocklock that No, I got them? What do
Speaker 1: I get? Real? Just easy one? Come on, bring you're
Speaker 1: better and that. Oh that is it for the podcast
Speaker 1: the first time. You know, I just expect better things
Speaker 1: from me. Mate, Wrap it up. But thanks so much
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Speaker 1: incredible weekend. To be honest, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be a beautiful one. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I've just got a good feeling. I like that, got
Speaker 1: a good feeling. That's just bit a positivity in this
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